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Scuba Forum / UK Scuba / November 2003halcyon wing
the inflator on my new wing looks just like a Sherwood one is there a bcd component shop somewhere ?? have been googling to much found loads of old stuff on rebreathers one even made from a 4 inch soil pipe tee peice. also a lot of pages on Gavin Scooters any one know where the motors come from ?. no i dont think i will be building one just intrested. Regards David > the inflator on my new wing looks just like a Sherwood one is there a bcd > component shop somewhere ?? Halcyon buys from different sources. I doubt that much of anything is actually made by them. > have been googling to much found loads of old stuff on rebreathers one > even made from a 4 inch soil pipe tee peice. also a lot of pages on > Gavin Scooters any one know where the motors come from ?. no i dont think i > will be building one just intrested. If my memory serves me, the Gavin Scooter is powered by a trolling motor. They have a rather impressive amount of thrust and a relatively long run time. Lee >Gavin Scooters any one know where the motors come from ? Mako scooters, rewound to a more exacting specification. Pete  Signature____________________________________________________________________ Pete Young pete@antipope.org Remove dot. to reply "Just another crouton, floating on the bouillabaisse of life" David, Until very recently, the inflator on Halcyon wings was outsourced and was also used on some other BC's. However Halcyon now manufactures their own inflator in house which includes SS inflate/deflate buttons. -bob >the inflator on my new wing looks just like a Sherwood one is there a bcd >component shop somewhere ?? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Regards David > David, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -bob thanks Bob but that rasise two questions :- 1 How do I tell if Ive got an old one or a new one. 2 what other BC had the same inflator ?? Regards David. > > David, > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 1 How do I tell if Ive got an old one or a new one. > 2 what other BC had the same inflator ?? Probably just by checking the inflator - if the inflate/deflate buttons are red then it's an old wing. If they're silver, however, it's a new-style wing... > > > David, > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > red then it's an old wing. If they're silver, however, it's a new-style > wing... And if they are black? >> > > David, >> > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >And if they are black? The silver needs cleaning ? (duck & run) John > > Probably just by checking the inflator - if the > > inflate/deflate buttons are red then it's an old wing. If > > they're silver, however, it's a new-style wing... > > > And if they are black? Earlier (?first) series wing. Iain > > > Probably just by checking the inflator - if the > > > inflate/deflate buttons are red then it's an old wing. If [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Iain Slightly OT, does anyone else find them a bit awkward to use? I find the deflate button a real pain, not exactly ergonomically designed. I've started just pitching forward slightly and using the valve at the base of the wing because it's easier! Jeff. > > > > Probably just by checking the inflator - if the > > > > inflate/deflate buttons are red then it's an old wing. If [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > just pitching forward slightly and using the valve at the base of the wing > because it's easier! I think that's probably the general idea as the inflator hose is often looped through a small peice of bungee attatched to the left hand chest D-ring so it would be rather difficult to dump air through the inflator unless you're vertical in the water. As you're supposed to ascend in a horizontal position, it's much easier to dump excess gas through the pull dump at the base of the wing. > > Slightly OT, does anyone else find them a bit awkward to use? I find the > > deflate button a real pain, not exactly ergonomically designed. I've [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > horizontal position, it's much easier to dump excess gas through the pull > dump at the base of the wing. I tried that with the bungee, but the deflate button became virtually useless as I could no longer raise the hose above its exit point from the wings bladder, and thus dump air (unless the bladder is full - i.e. not often). As 99% of the people I dive with use regular BCD's, and it's a BSAC club, a vertical ascent / descent position suits me best (unless its gradual, i.e. up a slope or similar) - so a hose deflator that was easily operated would be welcome. Apart from all this, I'm still getting used to my first wing, so it's all a bit new anyhow. > I tried that with the bungee, but the deflate button became virtually > useless as I could no longer raise the hose above its exit point from the > wings bladder, and thus dump air (unless the bladder is full - i.e. not > often). Yes, that's the point - the deflate button does become useless as you're not supposed to use it when doing a horizontal ascent - just lift your arse slightly, pull the dump on the wing and bob's yer uncle! ;-) > As 99% of the people I dive with use regular BCD's, and it's a BSAC club, a > vertical ascent / descent position suits me best (unless its gradual, i.e. > up a slope or similar) - so a hose deflator that was easily operated would > be welcome. Apart from all this, I'm still getting used to my first wing, so > it's all a bit new anyhow. Just because they ascent vertically doesn't mean you have to, surely? Personally I find horizontal ascents more natural and are almost certainly safer too as there's no pressure difference between the top and the bottom of your body... I do not like the new inflator because if grasped with the right hand using heavy gloves it is possible to inadvertenly depress both the inflate/deflate button. I believe that is the genisis of this design, to allow you to breath the wing dump as a backup regulator. I do not think it is a good design and I think it is potentially dangerous. > > I tried that with the bungee, but the deflate button became virtually > > useless as I could no longer raise the hose above its exit point from the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > safer too as there's no pressure difference between the top and the bottom > of your body... > I think that's probably the general idea as the inflator hose > is often looped through a small peice of bungee attatched to > the left hand chest D-ring so it would be rather difficult to > dump air through the inflator unless you're vertical in the > water. Actually, it's nothing like as difficult as you would think, providing that you use reasonably stretch bungee! > As you're supposed to ascend in a horizontal position, it's > much easier to dump excess gas through the pull dump at the > base of the wing. Indeed. My only complaint about the older inflators is the mouthpiece which points 45% outward is a PITA. Iain Iain > > I think that's probably the general idea as the inflator hose > > is often looped through a small peice of bungee attatched to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > My only complaint about the older inflators is the mouthpiece which points > 45% outward is a PITA. Actually I thought it was the new inflator that points out at a 45% angle... > And if they are black? Good point - ok, black *or* red then means it's an older-style inflator... >> was also used on some other BC's. However Halcyon now manufactures >> their own inflator in house which includes SS inflate/deflate buttons. >thanks Bob but that rasise two questions :- > >1 How do I tell if Ive got an old one or a new one. Plastic inflate/deflate buttons. Black or red. Pete Signature____________________________________________________________________ Pete Young pete@antipope.org Remove dot. to reply "Just another crouton, floating on the bouillabaisse of life" |
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