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Scuba Forum / UK Scuba / November 2003Travelling with regs as Hand baggage?
Done a search on google and I think I know the answer, so just checking in case the rules have changed. Got cases packing and only 18kg over standard baggage limit! OK as airline have allowed additional 20kg (i.e 2x10kg) for hold baggage As we havent got any hand baggage at all (except a handbag that doesnt count), I have been thinking (bad I know). At the moment regs (2 sets) are packed inside the dive bag between the bcd in there own padded cases - I am now however getting concerned that they shouldnt be in the case at all (risk of damage from handling rather than issues about condition in the hold) and am thinking about taking out the two reg bags, shoving them into a carrier bag and taking as hand luggage (2 regs should be fit inside the 5kg cabin baggage limit) - and reduce the hold luggage by the same! Does this sound advisable? Would people here take regs and hand rather than hold? Is there ever a problem going through security with them? (I guess they are pretty common - though could cause damage with the lump of metal - also know as the 1st stage) <snip> > Does this sound advisable? Would people here take regs and hand rather than > hold? Is there ever a problem going through security with them? (I guess > they are pretty common - though could cause damage with the lump of metal - > also know as the 1st stage) I've carried my regs as hand luggage several times to Australia, Egypt and Spain and never had a problem. At the worst, the x-ray machine people open the bag and have a quick squint at the contents and I've said 'scuba diving...') but they have never looked like querying it further. YMMV. Cheers, Huw  Signaturehttp://www.huwporter.com > Does this sound advisable? Would people here take regs and hand rather than > hold? Is there ever a problem going through security with them? I always do and no problem other than a hand search sometimes >replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me > Does this sound advisable? Would people here take regs and hand rather than > hold? Is there ever a problem going through security with them? (I guess > they are pretty common - though could cause damage with the lump of metal - > also know as the 1st stage) I've not long since travelled to and fro Truk with my regs in a bag because I was over weight on my hold lugage. It was the check in people who suggested do this, we had 2 x 30kg allowance from Gatwick all the way to Truk via the US and muggins here still over did it trying for one bag. The bagage handlers won't touch a bag over 30kgs. Through loads of airport scanners with reg bag and ruck sack no problems even in the US. Paul > I've not long since travelled to and fro Truk with my regs in a bag because > I was over weight on my hold lugage. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Through loads of airport scanners with reg bag and ruck sack no problems > even in the US. On the way back from the Red Sea last year, the security chap pulled the regs out of my bag and asked me if I was a Doctor??? Then he proceeded to making bashing movements suggesting that I might use the first stage as a bludgeoning tool... hmmm :( Eventually got it onto the plane, but did lose a pair of Pliers (nipple tweakers?) and an adjustable spanner (cosh?).. > Eventually got it onto the plane, but did lose a pair of Pliers (nipple > tweakers?) and an adjustable spanner (cosh?).. now I think there's a rule of no tools in hand luggage last week my mate lost a screw driver bit the ones about 20mm long that fit in electric drills. he certainly could never of stabbed anyone with it :-). Regards David > > Does this sound advisable? Would people here take regs and hand rather > than [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I've not long since travelled to and fro Truk with my regs in a bag because > I was over weight on my hold lugage. I just wouldn't trust my regs or computer to the bag apes... > It was the check in people who suggested do this, we had 2 x 30kg allowance > from Gatwick all the way to Truk via the US and muggins here still over did > it trying for one bag. > > The bagage handlers won't touch a bag over 30kgs. Not true, last time out of the UK we weighed in at 32kg out and 34kg back. It just gets a "heavy" label on it... > Through loads of airport scanners with reg bag and ruck sack no problems > even in the US. > > Paul I came back from Orlando with regs, computer, video camera, stills cameras, mobile phones.... ...needless to say people behind the scanner started to look VERY twitchy! I would love to have seen the X-ray with all the electronics, big lumps of metal and pipework! They were fine when they opened it up and saw what was actually in there. CAS -- PADI AOW? Get Rescue Training on UKRS Course #1 - http://divesite.calumscott.me.uk/ukrs/rescue_diver_2004 Temperature @ Stoney? Find it or share it @ http://stoneytemps.calumscott.me.uk/ > > > Does this sound advisable? Would people here take regs and hand rather > > than [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I just wouldn't trust my regs or computer to the bag apes... But, another thing to consider is that if you have something reflective (foil, metal) in your hand luggage, the xray has another bite at a higher power. It took me a while to find out why floppy discs were only getting corrupted when I flew budget airlines and it is apparently down to the can of coke and crisps that I took on board with me. I also lost an electronic device to this in the summer. I actually found this out from a Kodak information sheet. Keith >> > Does this sound advisable? Would people here take regs and hand rather >> than [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Not true, last time out of the UK we weighed in at 32kg out and 34kg back. >It just gets a "heavy" label on it... There are a number of airlines ( not sure if it is all yet ) which will no longer accept bags greater than 32Kg for H&S issues. e.g. Even if travelling in First with a 40Kg baggage allowance, no bag is now allowed to be over 32Kg on BA. Dave We take our regs as hand luggage as for the item snipped in below change that to 45kg as told to us at a check-in for a cruise we were allowed 45kg each and one bag was 47kg so had to move a couple of items > The bagage handlers won't touch a bag over 30kgs. -- Regards Gray & Steph Buddies first husband and wife second > We take our regs as hand luggage > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > The bagage handlers won't touch a bag over 30kgs. A lot of this is down to the check in person. I was told the handlers would not touch it if over 30kg.... it was a touch and got a heavy sticker. The guy checking in bay next door got well upset when someone informed him there was a empty but with valve open cylinder in his bag yet our check in person didn't care. Normally I would pack the regs but it was down to weight. On the way back I bought another suitcase and packed the lot. I think it takes a determined bagage handler to damager a reg set in a padded reg bag packed in the middle of my dive kit. The only thing that has ever suffered in transit was a mask that was packed in a fin pocket in a padded case, opened up the bag to find I had a hand full of diamonds and a frame. I won't buy a one piece mask again as I think the glass accross the bridge of the nose is too small, one twist of the frame and it shatters. Paul > I think it takes a determined bagage handler to damager a reg set in a > padded reg bag packed in the middle of my dive kit. It does not take a particularly determined one to steal one. Lee > > I think it takes a determined bagage handler to damager a reg set in a > > padded reg bag packed in the middle of my dive kit. > > It does not take a particularly determined one to steal one. > > Lee I thought that but now the minute you hit an airport you have to remove all locks then take your back for checking. I did this waited for the security check and found the bag had passed ok and spat out into the great unknown...unlocked. After that I gave up locking it. I think you stand less chance of loosing kit at Truk airport, the third world country with poor inhabitants than our end. Your bag is piled up on a pallet and fork lift trucked accross the tarmac. I think they will cover the pallet with a plastic sheet if it is raining...there again maybe not. Paul The manual handling regs in the UK kick in at 35kg. No one can be made to lift an item over 35kg on their own. Most airlines will label anything over 30kg as heavy. arent regulations fun? > The manual handling regs in the UK kick in at 35kg. No one can be made to > lift an item over 35kg on their own. With all due respect Zac old bean I think you'll find that's cobblers. The wording of a great deal of H&S legislation is quite ambiguous, making use of phrases such as 'reasonably practicable'. It's encumbent on the employer to minimise the risks to their staff arising from manual handling so far as is reasonably practicable. eg if it's something to be done many times a day & you can get a bit of cheap kit to do it - you'd better otherwise you'll be appearing in court if one of your loyal slaves hurts themselves. Lee > > The manual handling regs in the UK kick in at 35kg. No one can be made to > > lift an item over 35kg on their own. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Lee Lee, to be fair, I thought I ought to do some research into this before replying. I dug out a couple of documents; "Guidelines"; http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg143.pdf Theres a chart in this document showing a nice maximum 'guideline' weight of 25kg. Then later in the document it goes on to say that "any operation involving more than twice the guideline weights should be rigourously assessed - even for fit, well trained individuals working under favourable conditions". This would appear to imply that you can go above the guideline, subject to a suitable risk assessment. Theres also a document that shows you how to perform your assessments, which is niiiice and complex; http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg383.pdf Anyway, the long and short of it is that manual handling is complex and involves a lot of variables (grip, posture, height, security of footing etc etc). So, the HSE 'guidance' attempts to cover this, but as usual leaves most employers feel that they are treading a minefield. I spoke to a mate of mine who works as a health and safety manager for a large corporate. His view was that you couldnt cover every variable and that you need to allow for employee stupidity. <shrugs> His take was that airlines are picking values they feel to be defendable in the light of their environment. So there ya go, clear as mud. Can you tell its not really diving season in the UK? ;) /Zak (with a K, that C really pisses me off!) > Can you tell its not really diving season in the UK? ;) What!?! You can't stop for the winter, thats no fun - best time of year! Are you a man or an, ermmmm, umpa lumpa? (Went to Cadbury World yesterday, they're still in my head...) David > Does this sound advisable? Would people here take regs and hand rather than > hold? Is there ever a problem going through security with them? (I guess > they are pretty common - though could cause damage with the lump of metal - > also know as the 1st stage) My regulators, computers and masks always travel as hand baggage. Just last week, the wisdom of doing this proved itself. My checked bag came out with the top open and half my clothing hanging out. It was quite clear that somebody had gone through it. Things that had previously been on the bottom, were now on the top. The airline blamed the security people. Personally, I doubt that a lot. Security marks bags they check and use wire ties to keep them closed. Further, they check them at the origination of the flight, not the end. Since it appears that everything came through with the bag, I find it very hard to accept that the bag traveled the way it came off the line. Lee > Done a search on google and I think I know the answer, so just checking in > case the rules have changed. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > they are pretty common - though could cause damage with the lump of metal - > also know as the 1st stage) I think you'd have more problem with an acusticly dampened radio. one of the upper line models where they fill the body with filler to deaden things so only the actual sounding body is affecting the sound. I would the filler could look like C4... ;) rhys > Done a search on google and I think I know the answer, so just checking in > case the rules have changed. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they are pretty common - though could cause damage with the lump of metal - > also know as the 1st stage) I usually strip my regs down to travel, So the 1st & 2nd stages are in my hand baggage, but the pressure guage & hoses are in my suitcase. This helps by not have to put a long hose in my hand baggage & splits the weight as well, as some airlines get funny over the weight of hand baggage HTH Niggs |
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