>I know it's a common complaint about airlines charging excess baggage on
>scuba gear but I just had a run in with Thompson fly.
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> already paid for. I don't think I'll be wanting to pay again !!!! Any one
> know what the prisons are like in Egypt?
As far as I can tell, you buy an allowance (which may be included in the
ticket price or may be purchased separately). Within this allowance you can
carry what you like, subject to it being legal to carry. Suppose your
allowance is 20kg. As long as you carry up to 20kg, you should not be
charged a penny more. In exces of that, airlines charge according to what is
being carried. Why an extra kg of clothes should attract £5 whereas an extra
kg of dive equipment should cost £10 is beyond me - weight is weight, and
Newton's Laws of Motion do not depend on the nature of what is causing the
excess weight.
In Sharm last July I saw something like this happen to divers who were being
singled out for extra payments, REGARDLESS of whether they were within their
luggage limits or not - as if 20kg only applies to clothing, and one snorkel
has to pay extra. The secret appeared to be to not look like a diver. So,
those in front of me with O'Neill bags (nothing personal) and other diving
brands liberally sprinkled upon their person and belongings were being
forced to shell out. Meanwhile my son and I carrying ordinary suitcases and
not a single logo on display between us were asked to pay nothing.
I contacted Thomson and Explorers about this. So far neither has had the
decency to reply.
Ken
Keith Manning - 03 Nov 2007 20:30 GMT
> In Sharm last July I saw something like this happen to divers who were
> being singled out for extra payments, REGARDLESS of whether they were
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> Ken
Which is why as far as I am concerned, they can stick it where the sun
dosen't shine. Any country or individual that wants to have a tourist dollar
from me can earn it. Part of that is looking after my security while I am
there. In my opinion this includes protecting me from fraudsters and
scammers. This scheme is well known by the Egyptian authorities who are
choosing to do exactly F all about it.
There are plenty of quality dive destinations the world over where I will be
treated like a valued guest rather than the next gullible victim to a well
established fraud scheme. I for one will be choosing to visit them over
Egypt. If others travelling divers thought like this and it started to
affect business revenues, the authorities would have acted already.
Keith
paulus - 04 Nov 2007 09:48 GMT
Ken,
Just to be clear, I'll already have 20 Kg's normal baggage the excess is
purely for the extra 10kg to get my water toys there and back.
It's not a diving specific holiday and I'll be taking the family so I'll
need all the holiday parafinalia. Hell. the kitchen sink alone weighs
15Kg's.
If i'm going on a liveaboard I can get all in for less than 20Kg's total :-)
Keith,
I'm starting to think that way about sharm. They have forgotten their core
visitors in favour of the landlubbing masses.
When I went to turkey in September I had a receipt from Thomas Cook showing
I'd paid £20 excess. It still took 20 mins at check in on the return before
they realised they would have to get a supervisor to read the bloody thing.
I find the Canaries to be most diver friendly of the destinations I
regularly visist. I've never paid a penny for dive kit excess there. But it
does mean flying will Excel.
My non diving wifey says I should hire kit there. Not my cup of tea. I've
seen to many divers have their diving spoiled by dodgy SPG's and freeflowing
octopi etc.
Paulus
Bill Seddon - 04 Nov 2007 10:08 GMT
> Ken,
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> Paulus
Went with the family to sharm, just spread stuff around and there was
plenty left in the allowance. We had 20K each, but were just about
under that. Didn't take much hand luggage either, just regs and
computer.
Ken - 04 Nov 2007 11:53 GMT
>> Ken,
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> plenty left in the allowance. We had 20K each, but were just about under
> that. Didn't take much hand luggage either, just regs and computer.
I've been to Sharm on seveal occasions, as often by "myself" in as much as
I'm going with a group of unrelated divers, or with my younger son who
dives - never been with a non-diver. I find that Explorers gives each diver
the standard 20kg PLUS an additional 5kg for free on production of a
suitable card at check-in, within which limits I have always managed to be.
This has been honoured without fail at Manchester and Gatwick, but no-one at
Sharm ever bothers to look - except for the last visit I described when
anyone who was obviously a diver was being charged for EVERY KG they
carried.
Monarch were v good when a party of three went on a trip to Tenerife - all
were given an extra 13kg free of charge. They now charge a relatively small
sum for this enhancement.
But I agree- the Egyptian authorities are acting despicably. Good for the
Egyptian economy though diving is, it's not as important as it used to be,
so I don't expect them to do act as they should. More and more people from
the UK see the Red Sea as an all-year sun destination. Many of these folk
would rarely if ever venture from their hotel complex wherever in the world
they go - they just go so they can come back with a suntan. To them the
marvels of ocean life as are pointless as the Mayan remains are to those who
take a similar holiday to Mexico. Why take a 10hr flight when a 5hr flight
will do? Why these folk don't just buy a sunbed to set up in the spare room
and save themselves a packet beats me.
Ken
Graham Frankland - 04 Nov 2007 11:27 GMT
> Ken,
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> Paulus
We regularly fly with various charter airlines and as well as hold baggage,
we use soft backpacks which can easily hold around 10 kgs but squash down to
an acceptable "hand luggage" size at check in. Not had them weighed - so
far!
Graham.