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judith.lea99@googlemail.com - 25 Feb 2007 22:18 GMT
have not dived for 4-5 years now.  I was an experienced BSAC
instructor and have dived in Europe, the West Indies and the Indian
Ocean.  I am now over 60 and technology has moved on somewhat in 5
years.

My equipment and bottles are in test and my ABLJ is direct feed, I
see
that everyone now uses stab jackets.  I have never used a dry suit
and
dive in neophrene in cold water and shorties in warm water.  Would
you
consider that given my age and that I have not dived for a while,
that
I should go back for a refresher, any advice would be welcomed as I
am
going to Martinique and Guadaloupe in April and I intend to dive
there.

With many thanks

Judith
Rod - 26 Feb 2007 10:06 GMT
Judith,

Not dived for 4 years I would suggest you do some sort of a refresher.
You will probably find they will require you to do one in Martinique if
you have not dived recently.
BCD's (stab jackets) have been used by most people for the last 8-10
years so you were a little out of date last time you dived as well.

Hope you enjoy it,

Rod

>  have not dived for 4-5 years now.  I was an experienced BSAC
> instructor and have dived in Europe, the West Indies and the Indian
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> Judith
Jason - 26 Feb 2007 17:12 GMT
> BCD's (stab jackets) have been used by most people for the last 8-10 years
> so you were a little out of date last time you dived as well.

I learnt to dive in 1991. We used stab jackets then. Even then the toilet
seat ABLJs are well on their way out.

Jason

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Martin - 26 Feb 2007 13:08 GMT
Judith,
I'm not going to have the cheek to advise a experienced instructor but have
a couple of observations :
1. I'm sure you'll already have planned some pool work and a couple of
refresher dives before going away on holiday already
2. If you are confident and experienced with your equipment, why would you
necessarily change to the latest and greatest unless you particularly want
to ? I have dived on boats with people who have equipment so old I'd never
seen before. As someone who learned with a stab jacket, apart from the worry
that I might not find it easy to assist them if they got into trouble, they
were very solid and safe divers .... and told great stories of some of their
favourite dives.

regards
Martin

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have not dived for 4-5 years now.  I was an experienced BSAC
instructor and have dived in Europe, the West Indies and the Indian
Ocean.  I am now over 60 and technology has moved on somewhat in 5
years.

My equipment and bottles are in test and my ABLJ is direct feed, I
see
that everyone now uses stab jackets.  I have never used a dry suit
and
dive in neophrene in cold water and shorties in warm water.  Would
you
consider that given my age and that I have not dived for a while,
that
I should go back for a refresher, any advice would be welcomed as I
am
going to Martinique and Guadaloupe in April and I intend to dive
there.

With many thanks

Judith
Robyn Peel - 26 Feb 2007 19:04 GMT
Hi Judith,

My polite answer would for you to take a little look at your equipment.  Get
things serviced, or at least seen by a suitably wqualified technician.

If anything appears to be too worn out, for example if the blabber doesn't
keep fully inflated anymore, consider updating.

I started back in '89 and even then people had started to moved towards
stabs.  Have you ever tried diving in one?  They do have many plus points,
and the current ones are more tailored to the female figure.

Depending on the type of diving that you may condsider doing (i.e. UK,
abroard, shore, boat, training, pleasure) you may find that your requiements
have somewhat changed since you last dived.  Particuarly if you are
considering diving abroad in warmer waters, you may find the convienence of
a stab over an ablj better, especially when swapping cylinders/tanks.

Stab jackets can be a drag in the water, whilst an ablj can be quite compact
when not inflated.  However stabs can give a more comfortable dive position
in the water and on the surface.  Choosing the right stab would influence
these factors over an ablj.

Having dived with, taught with and used both, I have always prefered stabs
over abljs, but then this is just my homble opinion.  There are many divers
who will always prefer what they learnt with.

If you wish to start teaching once more, it may be better to have something
similar to your students, but then that woud be a whole new thread.

Have fun blowing bubbles once more. :-)

Robyn.
Lee Bell - 27 Feb 2007 13:11 GMT
> Stab jackets can be a drag in the water, whilst an ablj can be quite
> compact when not inflated.

I'll match my Halcyon 18 lb lift warm water wing against the drag of any
other form of buoyancy control device.
judith.lea99@googlemail.com - 26 Feb 2007 21:31 GMT
> Judith,
> I'm not going to have the cheek to advise a experienced instructor but have
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> regards
> Martin

Young men, Rod, Jason, M\artin and Robyn (Male?)

Thank you so much for your comments.  I am not going to take my own
equipment with me, I am going to hire when I am there and I was
worried because I have only used stab jackets in the West Indies and
then on returning to England went back to my trusty ABLJ.

I have noted all the advice given and I intend to work up to a deep
dive and hopefully by then I will be used to the unfamiliar equipment
and also I may have some more confidenece in myself.

I was a good diver, a safe and experienced diver but age does make a
difference in that one is a bit more vunerable, now if I had a young
Buddy, that would be another thing!!!

I too have some fabulous stories about diving.  e.g.  A silly one, I
was diving in the South of France at Agay where Jaques Cousteau built
the underwater village for the Disney film, 2000 Leagues Under the
Sea.  For any of you who have dived there, it was lovely to emerge
under the overhanging rock and glide down the "street" to the little
church with the spire.  It was what a metre high? and although heavy,
I could see through the window something in there, I tilted it
slightly, very heavy even down there and lo and beyond, treasure, a
coke can!  Pollution reaches everywhere.

Good bubbling boys and take care of yourselves and your buddy.

Judith
Martin - 01 Mar 2007 13:53 GMT
It's been a while since anyone called me young but thanks for making my day
:-)

Meanwhile, have some great diving .... you'll love how much easier the new
equipment make diving.

regards
Martin ..... only know the later equipment 'cus I started late

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On 26 Feb, 13:08, "Martin" <nos...@see.sigforaddress> wrote:
> Judith,
> I'm not going to have the cheek to advise a experienced instructor but
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> regards
> Martin

Young men, Rod, Jason, M\artin and Robyn (Male?)

Thank you so much for your comments.  I am not going to take my own
equipment with me, I am going to hire when I am there and I was
worried because I have only used stab jackets in the West Indies and
then on returning to England went back to my trusty ABLJ.

I have noted all the advice given and I intend to work up to a deep
dive and hopefully by then I will be used to the unfamiliar equipment
and also I may have some more confidenece in myself.

I was a good diver, a safe and experienced diver but age does make a
difference in that one is a bit more vunerable, now if I had a young
Buddy, that would be another thing!!!

I too have some fabulous stories about diving.  e.g.  A silly one, I
was diving in the South of France at Agay where Jaques Cousteau built
the underwater village for the Disney film, 2000 Leagues Under the
Sea.  For any of you who have dived there, it was lovely to emerge
under the overhanging rock and glide down the "street" to the little
church with the spire.  It was what a metre high? and although heavy,
I could see through the window something in there, I tilted it
slightly, very heavy even down there and lo and beyond, treasure, a
coke can!  Pollution reaches everywhere.

Good bubbling boys and take care of yourselves and your buddy.

Judith
judith.lea99@googlemail.com - 01 Mar 2007 17:59 GMT
> It's been a while since anyone called me young but thanks for making my day
> :-)
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> regards
> Martin ..... only know the later equipment 'cus I started late

Aah!  Thank you Martin, all the best blokes are divers!

Judith
Nigel Hewitt - 27 Feb 2007 09:06 GMT
> have not dived for 4-5 years now.  I was an experienced BSAC
> instructor and have dived in Europe, the West Indies and the Indian
> Ocean.  I am now over 60 and technology has moved on somewhat in 5
> years.

You'll pardon my scepticism but I just don't seem to remember
that 4-5 years ago anybody who could be described as an
'Experienced BSAC Instructor" would dive an ABLJ and no dry suit
but perhaps you faded out of mainstream diving before that. I've
only seen one person use an ABLJ seriously in the last ten years
and I have two skulking somewhere in the cellar. Hang on. Maybe
that was more than ten years ago and it was weird then.

Refresh. You are so far out of date you will need a quick and
simple play with 'normal' kit so you can assemble it easily and
adjust it in the water. Then go have fun.

nigelH
Not quite 60 yet but awfully near.

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judith.lea99@googlemail.com - 27 Feb 2007 12:07 GMT
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No need to be sceptic Nigel, I always used my own equipment, which as
you point out, is old.  Now I won't be using it anymore ; so I am a
bit ignorant of new stuff, new to me as in not personlly used it but I
dive with a doctor who has used nothing else.

As you get older Nigel, one tends to stick with tried and trusted,
it's because of lack of confidence in one's self.  Although, it amuses
my grown up children that I resist change in some aspects but embrace
it in, for example, computers whereas a contemporary of mine runs away
screaming to her manual typewriter whenever she wants to write a
letter!

Judith
Nigel Hewitt - 27 Feb 2007 14:48 GMT
> As you get older Nigel, one tends to stick with tried and trusted,
> it's because of lack of confidence in one's self.

ROTFL. I stick to the same things because I can't be bothered to change.
Hence for the last 5 years I've been diving the same old rebreather so
you can see why talk of ABLJs being current then messes my head up.

> Although, it amuses
> my grown up children that I resist change in some aspects but embrace
> it in, for example, computers whereas a contemporary of mine runs away
> screaming to her manual typewriter whenever she wants to write a
> letter!

My grand-daughter will be 10 this year. Scary thought. I can keep up
with my kids but I doubt I can ever keep up with her world. At least I
know my way round computers.

As I said investing a day on a refresher just to jump-start the
skill-set would probably be worth it. I did three open-circuit dives
recently and it felt so strange. I hope the holiday works out as fun.
Post us a brief trip highlights.

regards
nigelH
Brighton

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judith.lea99@googlemail.com - 27 Feb 2007 18:21 GMT
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I will certainly take your advice

Judith
 
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