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HELP- Royal Charter Position

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Rick - 17 Feb 2007 10:49 GMT
Hi,

I am not a diver but have read much about the Royal Charter.  I often
walk along the headland at Moelfre and wonder where the Royal Charter
remains lay.

I looked it up on the www and it says N53 29" 17s & W04 15" 20s,
looking on the map this seems much further away from the rocks than I
thought, more towards Lligwy is this position correct ?

Many Thanks

Rick.
ossian - 18 Feb 2007 19:41 GMT
Thinks its a protected Wreck ie Diving banned
Another shipwreck book covering wales has it
N53 21 46.8 W4 15 12.4

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Ian Stevenson - 20 Feb 2007 09:36 GMT
Remember there can be discrepancies in lat/long depending on the geoid/
ellipsoid and datum they are specified relative to.

http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/gps/information/coordinatesystemsinfo/
guidecontents/


GPS uses WGS84, and produces lat/long values that differ significantly
(e.g. 100m+ at Greenwich in the UK) from the OSGB36 datum used on
Ordnance Survey maps and UK Admiralty charts (although newer charts
use ETRS89 which is broadly equivalent to WGS84)

See: http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-mld-page.htm?textobjid=40FEF5EBE6E31BAE

In other words, for a lat/long to be useful in identifying a precise
location you also need to know the datum!

This has been a problem for many dive clubs who try to use a lat/long
derived from markings/transits on a OSGB36 chart with a GPS unit that
is set to its default of WGS84.  Tends to result in long (often
fruitless) echosounder searches or boring dives!

Ian

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Rick - 23 Feb 2007 11:55 GMT
> Remember there can be discrepancies in lat/long depending on the geoid/
> ellipsoid and datum they are specified relative to.
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Hi,  Sorry for not getting back sooner.

Many Thanks for your help.

Regards.

Rick.
 
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