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Graham Frankland - 26 Oct 2006 00:47 GMT
Been diving up to now with a BCD + 12L or 15L with 3L Pony but need 2nd set
of gear.  Having briefly used a wing and twinset (only in the pool) and
found it very comfortable, have decided to go that route..

I've been offered a second hand setup with twin 7L 300's banded with SDS
quick release, MDE manifold, Custom Dive valve protector and Dive Rite Rec
Wings Transpac 11.

Doing a Google, it appears the Rec Wing comes in 2 versions with either a
backplate or the version this is, with a stiff pad.  The SDS quick release
is bolted through this pad and seems to flex from side to side a bit.  Any
ideas?  Should this release system only be used with a backplate?  Can a
backplate be added to the existing harness or not?

Graham.
Marcin Dobrucki - 26 Oct 2006 07:55 GMT
> Been diving up to now with a BCD + 12L or 15L with 3L Pony but need 2nd set
> of gear.  Having briefly used a wing and twinset (only in the pool) and
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> ideas?  Should this release system only be used with a backplate?  Can a
> backplate be added to the existing harness or not?

  Hey Graham,

  the RecWing and the TransPack are two completely separate bits, and
you can use them independently.  I have a RecWing mounted on a normal
metal backplate while a friend of mine uses it with both a TransPac or a
plate.  You can't add backplate to the TransPac harness, but seeing as
webbing costs about 1€/m, this should hardly be an issue?

  300bar tanks are a tad heavy; I've tried the TransPac/RecWing with
2x7@200 tanks (7.5kg each), and it was quite ok although the backplate
setup is a bit more steady.  On the DiveRite site though it says you can
use it with doubles just fine (doesn't tell you the sizes though --
http://www.diverite.com/Products/productslist.aspx?SubCategoryID=38&CategoryID=3)

  You could get an extra backplate/harness for this setup, and use the
wing/backplate with the twins and transpac/wing with single tanks.

  /Marcin
Graham Frankland - 29 Oct 2006 00:57 GMT
>> Been diving up to now with a BCD + 12L or 15L with 3L Pony but need 2nd
>> set of gear.  Having briefly used a wing and twinset (only in the pool)
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>
>   /Marcin

Thanks for reply Marcin, I purchased the gear today.
Graham.
Andy Grey - 12 Feb 2007 16:16 GMT
 >   Hey Graham,

>   the RecWing and the TransPack are two completely separate bits, and
> you can use them independently.  I have a RecWing mounted on a normal
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>
>   /Marcin

Hi Marcin,

So what is your opinion of diving singles with a wing? I have recently
bought a 30lb singles-wing with SS BP and STA and been advised that I
should stick with my Masterjacket for singles (especially in warm
waters) and just use the wing for twinsets. The rig weighs about 5kg out
of the water and I usually take 4-6kg with a 5mm wetsuit. I'm going to
the Maldives next week and trying to get some pool time to play with the
wing, but am itching to try it in open water.

Andy
Zen Diver - 13 Feb 2007 00:19 GMT
>  >   Hey Graham,
>>
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>
> Andy

I use my wing on a single tank rig.  I would never go back to using a
jacket style BC for any of the diving I do.  The wing is so much more
comfortable, stable and streamlined than any jacket I have ever used.  I
use an Al BP, the SS will allow you to shed some weight off the belt.
Andy Grey - 13 Feb 2007 10:52 GMT
> I use my wing on a single tank rig.  I would never go back to using a
> jacket style BC for any of the diving I do.  The wing is so much more
> comfortable, stable and streamlined than any jacket I have ever used.  I
> use an Al BP, the SS will allow you to shed some weight off the belt.

I have been considering picking up an Ali BP for the trip, but it seems
silly to go buy another BP before i've even dived the one I have. But
the boat has said it's no problems to experiment in the shallow water
lagoons if I can't get the pool time before I go. Now my only problem is
staying inside my weight allowance for the plane :)
Zen Diver - 13 Feb 2007 11:14 GMT
> I have been considering picking up an Ali BP for the trip, but it seems
> silly to go buy another BP before i've even dived the one I have. But
> the boat has said it's no problems to experiment in the shallow water
> lagoons if I can't get the pool time before I go. Now my only problem is
> staying inside my weight allowance for the plane :)

The weight allowance is my main reason for using an Al BP.  There is
also a Kydex plastic BP available on divingniknaks.com for £75 which is
even lighter than Al.
Diesel - 28 Feb 2007 23:41 GMT
>> I have been considering picking up an Ali BP for the trip, but it
>> seems silly to go buy another BP before i've even dived the one I
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> also a Kydex plastic BP available on divingniknaks.com for £75 which is
> even lighter than Al.

I know this sounds like a sales plug (and it is a bit), but I had a
batch of high quality Ally backplates made for members of my club and
still have a few left over (the batch was 14 plates as that was how many
could be cut from a stock sheet of 3mm aircraft grade aluminium).

These are fully finished plates and are hard-anodised so ready for webbing.

The cost is £40 + about a fiver for UK delivery (i live in West Sussex
about 10m from Gatwick).

Happy to send details / PDF photo.

TonyH.
Mick Whittingham - 13 Feb 2007 11:26 GMT
>Now my only problem is staying inside my weight allowance for the plane
>:)

Pack your dive gear in a golf bag. They normally allow more extra  (over
sport allowance) if you are a golfer :-))
Signature

Mick Whittingham
'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.'
William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2.

Lee Bell - 13 Feb 2007 14:41 GMT
>> I use my wing on a single tank rig.  I would never go back to using a
>> jacket style BC for any of the diving I do.  The wing is so much more
>> comfortable, stable and streamlined than any jacket I have ever used.  I
>> use an Al BP, the SS will allow you to shed some weight off the belt.

> I have been considering picking up an Ali BP for the trip, but it seems
> silly to go buy another BP before i've even dived the one I have. But the
> boat has said it's no problems to experiment in the shallow water lagoons
> if I can't get the pool time before I go. Now my only problem is staying
> inside my weight allowance for the plane :)

I have both aluminum and stainless plates that I use for both fresh and salt
water diving.  So far, I've not traveled with either, but have made plans to
do so.  Here are my suggestions:
1. For travel, it's hard to beat the Transpac.  It is flexible, weighs less
than even the aluminum plate, and fits in to smaller spaces.  If the cost is
not prohibitive, that's what I'd travel with.  The only reason I don't have
one already is that, since my wife quit diving, I don't usually travel to
dive other than by car.
2. If you're not going to use a Transpac, an aluminum plate is the way to go
for obvious reasons.  It's lighter, a lot lighter.  Give some thought to how
you're going to carry weight.  Those of us that like plates, like them for
more than one reason.  I like my stainless plate because it takes weight off
my waist, all the weight in my warm water diving case, and has so much
better trim than anything else that there is no comparison.  You have to try
one, properly adjusted, to know.  I use Halcyon trim pockets.  They're
small, hold enough weight for my needs, the kit is almost as streamlined
with them, as without, and they work just as well with the hard weights so
common at dive destinations as with the soft weights I use at home.  YMMV.
The point is, knowing where you want the weight will help you decide how
best to locate it.
3. Whatever you try, try to get into the water with it before you go on
holiday.  The different buoyancy characteristics of fresh versus salt water
makes a large difference in choice and configuration of a wing, at least it
does for me.  My stainless plate is just right for my single tank, warm
water diving.  It is noticeably too heavy for diving in fresh water.  My 18
lb lift wing floats my equipment, including stainless backplate, just fine
in salt water.  It does not float it at all in fresh water.  I use a larger
wing when I dive my stainless plate in fresh water.  More often, I use my
aluminum plate when diving in fresh water.  It's too light for salt water.
I have to add the difference between the two plates by carrying more lead.
OK for travel because I don't take my own lead with me.  Not OK at home.
For my twinset, I use the aluminum plate.  My twins, without any hardware,
would be neutral when buoyant.  With hardware, they are always negative,
significantly so when full.  I have to carry ditchable weight to ensure I
can get back to the surface even with complete buoyancy failure and full
tanks, and I have to have more lift to support everything when I'm at my
most negative, so I do.

Hope something in the above helps.

Lee
Andy Grey - 13 Feb 2007 22:06 GMT
Yeah thanks. Helps a lot

I thinki can just about squeeze the SS BP into my gear along with my
jacket so i'm gonna have a play with both. The rough calculations I've
done suggest that I should need no extra weight with it and not be
significantly negative, but only experimentation will prove me right.

>>>I use my wing on a single tank rig.  I would never go back to using a
>>>jacket style BC for any of the diving I do.  The wing is so much more
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>
> Lee
Lee Bell - 14 Feb 2007 03:06 GMT
> Yeah thanks. Helps a lot
> I thinki can just about squeeze the SS BP into my gear along with my
> jacket so i'm gonna have a play with both. The rough calculations I've
> done suggest that I should need no extra weight with it and not be
> significantly negative, but only experimentation will prove me right.

When I used a jacket style BC, I used about 10 lbs when diving in warm
water.  With my stainless plate and the same tanks, I use nothing.  I'm very
slightly heavy at the beginning of the dive and very slightly buoyant at the
end, but I generally do the entire dive with no gas in my wing.  It suits me
that well.  Imagine diving with no shift in buoyancy due to changes in depth
and you'll have an idea how great perfect, or near pefect weighting can be.

You may not be lucky enough to hit it right on the nose the way I did, but
you should come close and even being close is better than anything I tried
before.

Lee
Andy Grey - 14 Feb 2007 13:28 GMT
 > When I used a jacket style BC, I used about 10 lbs when diving in warm
> water.  With my stainless plate and the same tanks, I use nothing.  I'm very
> slightly heavy at the beginning of the dive and very slightly buoyant at the
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>
> Lee

Wow, stop it. You're making me drool. Can't wait to try it out. Thanks
again!
Green Dog - 02 Mar 2007 12:13 GMT
> water.  With my stainless plate and the same tanks, I use nothing.  I'm very
> slightly heavy at the beginning of the dive and very slightly buoyant at the
> end, but I generally do the entire dive with no gas in my wing.  It suits me
> that well.  Imagine diving with no shift in buoyancy due to changes in depth
> and you'll have an idea how great perfect, or near pefect weighting can be.

I experienced the same during my only time diving in warm water
wearing
a shorty. The mobility and having effortless bouyancy control without
fiddling
with a BCD was a revelation.  I'd been used to the "Titanic" feeling
in my
neoprene drysuit, 8kg weight belt and ankle weights (which I've since
dispensed
with).
 
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