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Scuba Forum / UK Scuba / November 2005Blind CCR Depth Record Attempt
World Blind CCR Depth Record Attempt www.ccr100.co.uk Attempt in June 06 by the first blind diver to use an Inspiration rebreather. Cheers, Mark T. > World Blind CCR Depth Record Attempt Is it just me but the moment somebody says "record" with respect to scuba diving they have just lost all credibility. This is not a competitive sport. nigelH >> World Blind CCR Depth Record Attempt > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > nigelH Neither is mountaineering but people climb Everest. > "Nigel Hewitt" wrote in message >> This is not a competitive sport. > > Neither is mountaineering but people climb Everest. Is that competitive? That is you against the mountain. If I set up a project to dive some previously untouched wreck and some other people got there first should I be disappointed or should I be pleased to have their input so my project gets a jump forwards? nigelH >> World Blind CCR Depth Record Attempt > > Is it just me but the moment somebody says "record" > with respect to scuba diving they have just lost > all credibility. It's not just you. > This is not a competitive sport. You mean, to you it's not. It clearly is to many. Lee >>> World Blind CCR Depth Record Attempt >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It's not just you. I'm with Nigel. Enjoy it for what it is. >> This is not a competitive sport. > > You mean, to you it's not. It clearly is to many. Yes I appreciate that it is for some, or possibly many. How do you compete? You could set up navigational challenges as in Stoney Cove, you could organise photographic competitions with the submarine theme, but how could you tun it into an Olympic sport? How about see who can up the fastest from (for example) 40m having been there for 40mins AND not get bent? This is on open circuit scuba breathing air of course, there would be Nitrox and Rebreather subcategories naturally. Ken >> You mean, to you it's not. It clearly is to many. > > Yes I appreciate that it is for some, or possibly many. How do you > compete? You could set up navigational challenges as in Stoney Cove, you > could organise photographic competitions with the submarine theme, but how > could you tun it into an Olympic sport? I don't compete. I agree with Nigel. I probably could have been clearer on that point. I just recognize that it's a competition for many. > How about see who can up the fastest from (for example) 40m having been > there for 40mins AND not get bent? This is on open circuit scuba breathing > air of course, there would be Nitrox and Rebreather subcategories > naturally. Many compete on the basis of gas consumption. Many compete on the basis of depth. Many compete on the basis of wreck or cave penetration. Many compete on the basis of number of dives. Many compete on the basis of certification cards. Some of us simply dive for the fun of it. Lee >>> You mean, to you it's not. It clearly is to many. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Many compete on the basis of number of dives. > Many compete on the basis of certification cards. Yes, I suppose they do. My only sense of "competing", if you can call it that, is that while I don't begrudge anyone being the limiting factor, I don't want to be the limiting factor myself. I don't mind not having gone as deep, or as often, or be as qualified, or anything else. But I detest being the one who everyone else is waiting for to get in, or to get out, or the one who calls the dive through consuming air the fastest, or whatever. Of course I have been the person who calls the dive for any number of reasons, though I'd rather not be. I certainly don't hold grudges against anyone who does call the dive. Someone has to after all! Ken > I don't mind not having gone as deep, or as often, or be as qualified, or > anything else. But I detest being the one who everyone else is waiting for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > don't hold grudges against anyone who does call the dive. Someone has to > after all! Such things vary with location, diver experience and personal preferences. My diving is exclusively in warm water with good visibility. Those I dive with are, for the most part, experienced and responsible divers. The norm, for us, is to dive, more or less, as same ocean buddies. We usually start together, we usually stay within sight of one another, but we don't call a dive just because a buddy is out of sight, getting low on gas or for other non critical reasons. The norm is to let your buddies know you're heading up, that you're OK doing so without assistance and then go. While those with higher gas consumption or a lower tolerance for DCS risk (including everybody I know that uses a Suunto computer), probably don't like being the first to head up every dive, at least they don't have the added pressure of thinking they have cut someone else's dive short. Several people I dive with, who have higher gas consumption rates than the rest of us, dive with larger tanks or twins. While this is the norm for those I dive with, it's not a rule. While we try to agree how the dive will go before it starts, those who are less experienced are often reluctant to admit that they prefer a closer buddy relationship. When we're diving with someone whose diving skills aren't well known, we tend to watch, and stay, a bit closer. The same goes for any indication of increased risk before or during a dive. Experienced divers who prefer a closer buddy relationship are not usually a problem. They are more open in making their wishes known. Lee >> I don't mind not having gone as deep, or as often, or be as qualified, or >> anything else. But I detest being the one who everyone else is waiting [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > divers who prefer a closer buddy relationship are not usually a problem. > They are more open in making their wishes known. Agree 100% with all of the above. Diving around the UK is a tad different as you will know. More than a few (usually about 6) metres away from your buddy and you are often little more than a shadow. Closer formation finning is mandatory. While a group may well go in together and split up once under, it is customary for no splitting to occur beyond pre-arranged pairs. The same re larger cylinders / pairs is as relevant on this side of the Atlantic as on yours. The problem with this arises when we in the UK go to warm water locations. As we are unfamiliar with the local spots, the norm is to go with some or other dive excursion company, and these are of course guided dives. The guiode takes you through a guided tour of wherever you happen to be diving, and for perfectly understamdable reasons likes to keep the group together. Certainly at the start of a week#s diving, it is a case of "one up, all up" though after the first few days diving a you suggest becomes more possible. I know there is a "love it / hate it" affair with Suunto conservatism, and from your post you appear to be less than enamoured with our Scandinavian friends. The answer to prevent the conflicts you describe is for everyone in a group to use them, or for no-one in a group to use them! While I have no doubt that their conservatism is greater than others, other factors have called the dive when I've been in a mixed computer group. Cold, considerations of air consumption, the need to empty an ever-filling bladder (remember - this is dry suit territory, the need to pee increases with cold, and cold and dry suits go together!), headaches (crushingly cold water at the temples) have been the typical limiting factors I've come across. Or plain boredom. It's not always pretty down there. Ken > The problem with this arises when we in the UK go to warm water locations. > As we are unfamiliar with the local spots, the norm is to go with some or > other dive excursion company, and these are of course guided dives. Interesting that you would way that they are "of course" guided dives. That does not apply to many of the places I visit. There are "of course" some guided dives, but I tend to seek sites that don't require that. I much prefer the pleasure of discovering something on my own to being shown what someone else previously discovered. Only when we're there to see a specific feature, do I prefer guided dives. The Devil's Throat, a swim through in Cozumel was one of those instances. > The guide takes you through a guided tour of wherever you happen to be > diving, and for perfectly understamdable reasons likes to keep the group > together. Certainly at the start of a week#s diving, it is a case of "one > up, all up" though after the first few days diving a you suggest becomes > more possible. Most operators I've dealth with insist on buddy teams and, particularly on drift dives, they tend to form groups, they also tend to allow buddy teams to ascend without requiring the entire group to head up. When I first encountered it, I was surprised to find operators that formed groups without buddy teams that allowed individual divers to ascend alone. While I don't mind diving as a same ocean buddy, I prefer to share my dives with others. I tend to travel with a known buddy and to acquire a buddy, or buddies, even when they are not required. > I know there is a "love it / hate it" affair with Suunto conservatism, and > from your post you appear to be less than enamoured with our Scandinavian > friends. The computers have a good reputation for being reliable and everybody that uses them in gauge mode seems to love them. The conservative nature of the algorithm doesn't bother those diving on air too much, but they get really wierd as oxygen partial pressures reach or exceed 1.4. I almost always dive nitrox. > The answer to prevent the conflicts you describe is for everyone in a > group to use them, or for no-one in a group to use them! While I have no > doubt that their conservatism is greater than others, other factors have > called the dive when I've been in a mixed computer group. That's not a bad answer even with less conservative computers. I've been diving a lot longer than my wife. My first computer was a US Divers Monitor I. I still have it. As I recall, it was dead on the US Navy dive tables for a first dive and close to them for repetitive dives. When my wife started diving, I bought her an Oceanic computer. It was only a little more conservative than mine for the first dive, but was noticably so for subsequent dives. In a multi dive day, it didn't take long before the difference became an annoyance. I solved the problem by buying an Oceanic for myself. Sure, it limited me more than my previous computer had, but it matched what my wife's computer did, allowing me to more easily schedule diving for both of us. These days, I either use my Oceanic or, for deco diving, my Dive Rite Nitek duo. It is noticably more conservative than my Oceanic, but does not get wierd at higher PPO2 and does handle two gases in the same dive. > Cold, considerations of air consumption, the need to empty an ever-filling > bladder (remember - this is dry suit territory, the need to pee increases > with cold, and cold and dry suits go together!), headaches (crushingly > cold water at the temples) have been the typical limiting factors I've > come across. Or plain boredom. It's not always pretty down there. All good points. Regarding the pee issue, however, I thought you guys (as opposed to the ladies) had figured this one out. It wasn't that long ago that I purchased, here, a Halcyon overboard discharge that I sent to somebody in the UK. It seemed to be a good option for men. I have no idea how women handle the same issues. Lee >>> You mean, to you it's not. It clearly is to many. >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Some of us simply dive for the fun of it. And, some of us insist on calling this a hobby, not a sport! -- mrr >>>How about see who can up the fastest from (for example) 40m having been >>>there for 40mins AND not get bent? This is on open circuit scuba breathing [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > And, some of us insist on calling this a hobby, not a sport! On the other hand, it used to be a sport. At one time the national championships were broadcast live on television: http://tinyurl.com/8uzqj Tony >> And, some of us insist on calling this a hobby, not a sport! > > On the other hand, it used to be a sport. At one time the national > championships were broadcast live on television: http://tinyurl.com/8uzqj Fascinating. Lee > >> And, some of us insist on calling this a hobby, not a sport! > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Lee That'l be it then. THAT's where he must have been voted '3rd best Diver in the World' then!!...and he still feels the need to advertise the fact. > Is it just me but the moment somebody says "record" > with respect to scuba diving they have just lost > all credibility. > > This is not a competitive sport. That bloke hawking his book around at the Dive Show sees it as competitive , must do as he proclaims himself to be 'the 3rd best diver in the world'. Obviously been in some sort of competition > World Blind CCR Depth Record Attempt > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheers, Mark T. The website is a blank page to me. Keith >>World Blind CCR Depth Record Attempt >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Keith Its in braile. whats the point ??? a blind person cant see anything !! this sport can have its hazards for people who can see,never mind people who cant !! sounds like an over inflated ego-trip ....!! crazy, reckless,dangerous too.......... > World Blind CCR Depth Record Attempt > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheers, Mark T. > whats the point ??? > a blind person cant see anything !! > this sport can have its hazards for people who can see,never mind > people who cant !! > sounds like an over inflated ego-trip ....!! > crazy, reckless,dangerous too.......... So? I don't have problems with people wanting to do things that are supposedly impossible for them. It's the 'record' bit that urks me and I'd say the same if he was fully fit and going for something else as I have done about deep/deep air 'records'. Not being blind I have no idea what his perception is like but a friend of mine who is blind, and runs a small business, was a demon baby sitter when we both had small children. He 'saw' round corners. His kids could get away with less than mine. nigelH > whats the point ??? > a blind person cant see anything !! > this sport can have its hazards for people who can see,never mind people > who cant !! > sounds like an over inflated ego-trip ....!! > crazy, reckless,dangerous too.......... apart from agreeing with you............ is it not the same for a sighted person. How much time will they have to see anything. will it not push some boundary to encorage blind people to try something new. David. Ps im not blind. |
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