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Chris Quinn - 15 Aug 2005 18:20 GMT
I came across this story on the BBC website a few days ago (but this is the
first chance I've had to post)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4144366.stm

A 68 year old diver got bent in Marsa Alam having dived to 49.5m, but his
insurance only covered him to 30m, and he is now facing a bill of £40,000

His family say he is an experienced diver, did not realise that his policy
was depth restricted, and anyway - it wasn't the depth that caused the
bend, but the fact that he was dehydrated, so the insurance company should
pay up!

To quote:

"We are hoping Lloyds TSB have a sense of fairness and compassion."

Lloyds TSB insurance said in a statement: "The tour company which Mr Allen
was diving with has confirmed that he reached a depth of 49.5 metres
immediately prior to seeking medical assistance.

"We also have confirmation from doctors treating him that his illness is
directly related to him participating in a dive to that depth.

"Therefore we are unable to accept this claim.

"Should any additional medical evidence come to light we would of course
reassess that situation."

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Chris Q
Chris Quinn - 15 Aug 2005 18:22 GMT
Oops - just noticed someone has already posted details

Sorry

Chris Q
DoobieDo - 15 Aug 2005 19:03 GMT
> Oops - just noticed someone has already posted details
>
> Sorry
>
> Chris Q

you could always apply for a reporters job with the Sun ;p
BarryNL - 16 Aug 2005 07:45 GMT
>>Oops - just noticed someone has already posted details
>>
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>
> you could always apply for a reporters job with the Sun ;p

Hmm, by the time this story reaches the pages of The Sun it will
probably have morphed into one about a diver whose breasts exploded at
depth.
DoobieDo - 16 Aug 2005 11:02 GMT
> >>Oops - just noticed someone has already posted details
> >>
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> probably have morphed into one about a diver whose breasts exploded at
> depth.

In the Daily Star, they'd have been diving on the moon...
Ken - 16 Aug 2005 22:40 GMT
>> >>Oops - just noticed someone has already posted details
>> >>
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>>
> In the Daily Star, they'd have been diving on the moon...

Really? Wow! :))

Ken
PC - 21 Aug 2005 12:12 GMT
Has anyone viz reports for the sea of tranquility?

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pat rick at vir gin dot net

www.tigershark.org.uk

> >> >>Oops - just noticed someone has already posted details
> >> >>
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>
> Ken
DoobieDo - 21 Aug 2005 14:18 GMT
> Has anyone viz reports for the sea of tranquility?


http://moon.google.com/

zoom in as far as you can.....
Ken - 16 Aug 2005 22:41 GMT
>>>Oops - just noticed someone has already posted details
>>>
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> Hmm, by the time this story reaches the pages of The Sun it will probably
> have morphed into one about a diver whose breasts exploded at depth.

Yes I read this can happen :))

Ken
BarryNL - 17 Aug 2005 09:06 GMT
>>>>Oops - just noticed someone has already posted details
>>>>
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>
> Yes I read this can happen :))

Who cares if it can happen - it's an excuse to show some pictures of
breasts :-)
Ken - 17 Aug 2005 22:50 GMT
>>>>>Oops - just noticed someone has already posted details
>>>>>
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> Who cares if it can happen - it's an excuse to show some pictures of
> breasts :-)

Never let the truth get in the way of a good exposure, eh?

Ken
Adam Helberg - 16 Aug 2005 04:51 GMT
>I came across this story on the BBC website a few days ago (but this is the
> first chance I've had to post)
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> =======
> Chris Q

The quote seems to contradict your thesis.
Adam
Chris Quinn - 20 Aug 2005 12:52 GMT
>>I came across this story on the BBC website a few days ago (but this
>>is the
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> The quote seems to contradict your thesis.
> Adam

I expounded no thesis - just pasted what the family and insurance companies  
had stated.

Chris Q
DoobieDo - 20 Aug 2005 14:44 GMT
> I expounded no thesis - just pasted what the family and insurance companies  
> had stated.

so it was all hearsay.... or Chinese whispers... or a load of bull...
(depending on your point of view)

tut tut
Chris Quinn - 23 Aug 2005 19:58 GMT
>> I expounded no thesis - just pasted what the family and insurance
>> companies  had stated.
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>
> tut tut

No - just honest reporting (is that an oxymoron?)

Chris Q
Adam Helberg - 27 Aug 2005 18:25 GMT
>>>I came across this story on the BBC website a few days ago (but this
>>>is the
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> I expounded no thesis - just pasted what the family and insurance companies
> had stated.

You said the depth did not cause his illness, that is your thesis. The doctors
treating his illness said his illness was related to the depth of his dive.

I'm going with the doctors' view, because we all know DCS is related to depth. Had he
dived to the  30 m depth he may not have been bent, which is sufficient possibility
for the insurance company to deny his claim.

His dive to 50m is 164 ft, very deep by recreational standards, and beyond the 130ft
limit.

Nevertheless the limitations of the insurance policy should be made clear and not be
in "fine print"

Adam
Chris Quinn - 28 Aug 2005 17:26 GMT
> You said the depth did not cause his illness, that is your thesis. The
> doctors treating his illness said his illness was related to the depth
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>
> Adam

I did not say that - his family did - I just cut & pasted the report

Chris Q
Ian Blakeley - 29 Aug 2005 18:50 GMT
>His dive to 50m is 164 ft, very deep by recreational standards, and beyond the 130ft
>limit.

I make 30m to be 99 feet not 130.

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Ian
"Democracy, what we need - Kakistocracy what we've got"

sharky - 30 Aug 2005 00:40 GMT
>>His dive to 50m is 164 ft, very deep by recreational standards, and beyond the 130ft
>>limit.
>
> I make 30m to be 99 feet not 130.

PADI Advanced Open Water is 30m - 98.4 feet, with deep dive speciality
certed to 40m - 131.2 feet.

Dunno about BSAC ,  but 130 fits in with PADI depth max.
Ian Blakeley - 30 Aug 2005 09:57 GMT
>>>His dive to 50m is 164 ft, very deep by recreational standards, and beyond the 130ft
>>>limit.
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>
>Dunno about BSAC ,  but 130 fits in with PADI depth max.

But has no relevance to this guys limit set by his insurance not his
qualifying agency. IIRC the Red Sea has a general depth limit of 30m,
certainly that's been the rule when I've been on day boats -
consistently bust your depth and your off the boat[1].

[1] Threatened but no one pushed it so would it have happened in
reality?

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Ian
"Democracy, what we need - Kakistocracy what we've got"

Pete Melbourne - 30 Aug 2005 17:52 GMT
>But has no relevance to this guys limit set by his insurance not his
>qualifying agency. IIRC the Red Sea has a general depth limit of 30m,

Nope - certain boats/dive companies may have a depth limit but it is
not a general limit, you can dive trimix there if you want
--
Pete
diving 'at' melbourne 'dot' me 'dot' uk
 
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