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Slightly Worried !! - 26 Jan 2005 12:50 GMT
Has anybody out there had any problems with Insperation handsets not powering up - failing underwater??
Nigel Hewitt - 26 Jan 2005 14:07 GMT
> Has anybody out there had any problems with Insperation handsets not powering up - failing underwater??

If the magnets are getting gunged up sometimes they don't start
(face plate off - toothbrush) and failing when you roll in is
normally battery bounce (go slightly sideways or put tape round
the batteries).
On at least one occasion I hooked a handset on something and
flipped the switch neatly to off.

nigelH
Pete S. - 26 Jan 2005 17:11 GMT
>> Has anybody out there had any problems with Insperation handsets not powering up - failing underwater??
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>On at least one occasion I hooked a handset on something and
>flipped the switch neatly to off.

I had shitty terminals in the battery box that appeared to make the
batteries run out quickley. Give them a quick polish with something
gently abrasive.

Pete S.

www.derwentelec.clara.co.uk
Gordon Henderson - 26 Jan 2005 18:34 GMT
>Has anybody out there had any problems with Insperation handsets not powering up - failing underwater??

Although the 2 other replies here are posted by Inspiration owners,
you would get a lot more response if you actually joined and posted the
Inspiration list - or even checked the archives - theres a lot of stuff
in them about this, and well over 1000 other owners to ask questions to
(and listen to)

You haven't said which type of handsets you have - backlit or
non-backlit? I'm assuming non-backlit - and why are you turning them
off underwater? The only reason is to force a battery switch - if this
is whats happening, it's likely the switch jamming which it has been
known to do when under pressure - it just needs a bit of cleaning,
take the rubber boots off and clean the gunge out.

If it's backlit handsets, then as Nigel said, check the magnets.

If you have gunge in the battery compartment, then don't use something
abrasive as Pete suggests, as you'll rub away the gold-plating on the
contacts.

If they are failing underwater then it's most likely to be because the
battery has run flat.

If they fail when you jump in, you suffer from battery bounce. Turning
them on again on the surface shouldn't be any different from turning them
on on the boat. You'll only notice this if you have back-lit handsets
though, as the older ones would power on automatically rather than
needing a switch to be pushed.

Gordon
Mark - 26 Jan 2005 19:16 GMT
Gordon, where do we find the Inspiration list please?

Mark T
In article <240c3b65203b4955af30c4ff4118d28b@ScubaMonster.com>,
Slightly Worried !! via ScubaMonster.com <forum@ScubaMonster.com> wrote:

>Has anybody out there had any problems with Insperation handsets not powering up - failing underwater??

Although the 2 other replies here are posted by Inspiration owners,
you would get a lot more response if you actually joined and posted the
Inspiration list - or even checked the archives - theres a lot of stuff
in them about this, and well over 1000 other owners to ask questions to
(and listen to)

You haven't said which type of handsets you have - backlit or
non-backlit? I'm assuming non-backlit - and why are you turning them
off underwater? The only reason is to force a battery switch - if this
is whats happening, it's likely the switch jamming which it has been
known to do when under pressure - it just needs a bit of cleaning,
take the rubber boots off and clean the gunge out.

If it's backlit handsets, then as Nigel said, check the magnets.

If you have gunge in the battery compartment, then don't use something
abrasive as Pete suggests, as you'll rub away the gold-plating on the
contacts.

If they are failing underwater then it's most likely to be because the
battery has run flat.

If they fail when you jump in, you suffer from battery bounce. Turning
them on again on the surface shouldn't be any different from turning them
on on the boat. You'll only notice this if you have back-lit handsets
though, as the older ones would power on automatically rather than
needing a switch to be pushed.

Gordon
david - 26 Jan 2005 21:27 GMT
> Gordon, where do we find the Inspiration list please?

play nice Gordon

David
Gordon Henderson - 27 Jan 2005 08:51 GMT
>Gordon, where do we find the Inspiration list please?

It's a closed list, only open to those who are owners, or who have
done the course. To get on it, send an email to Nicky or Sarah at
ambientpressurediving.com and they'll check your details and subscribe
you.

There are now over 6 years worth of archives which are web accessable
and searchable.

Gordon
Mark - 27 Jan 2005 09:52 GMT
In article <35q8jvF4oucptU1@individual.net>, Mark <false@nospam.com> wrote:
>Gordon, where do we find the Inspiration list please?

It's a closed list, only open to those who are owners, or who have
done the course. To get on it, send an email to Nicky or Sarah at
ambientpressurediving.com and they'll check your details and subscribe
you.

This is what I thought, thanks.  I was hoping there might be another open
list somewhere I had not found yet though.  I suppose I'll just have to wait
until I finish the course and get subscribed!

Regards, Mark T.
Gordon Henderson - 28 Jan 2005 09:44 GMT
>In article <35q8jvF4oucptU1@individual.net>, Mark <false@nospam.com> wrote:
>>Gordon, where do we find the Inspiration list please?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>list somewhere I had not found yet though.  I suppose I'll just have to wait
>until I finish the course and get subscribed!

If you have booked for a course, and purchased a unit, hassle your
instructor to pass your details back to the factory - they may sign you
up right away.

Gordon
Pete S. - 26 Jan 2005 21:17 GMT
>If you have gunge in the battery compartment, then don't use something
>abrasive as Pete suggests, as you'll rub away the gold-plating on the
>contacts.

Sorry Gordon, the ones on mine are NOT plated, they are spring loaded
solid brass. I use a fibreglass contact cleaning stick to get the crap
off. Believe me, it works a treat. I last had to do it when my unit
was 2 years old. It is now 3.5 years old and has not needed cleaning
since.

Pete S.

www.derwentelec.clara.co.uk
Gordon Henderson - 27 Jan 2005 08:54 GMT
>>If you have gunge in the battery compartment, then don't use something
>>abrasive as Pete suggests, as you'll rub away the gold-plating on the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>was 2 years old. It is now 3.5 years old and has not needed cleaning
>since.

Oh? Hm. Maybe they've changed them then... I'm sure mine are gold plated
and I remember Martin making mention of it on the list... FWIW I've never
had to clean mine, although I'm on my 2nd set of handsets in just over
6 years now. (Upgrade to backlit rather than failure!)

Gordon
Pete S. - 27 Jan 2005 09:41 GMT
>>>If you have gunge in the battery compartment, then don't use something
>>>abrasive as Pete suggests, as you'll rub away the gold-plating on the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>had to clean mine, although I'm on my 2nd set of handsets in just over
>6 years now. (Upgrade to backlit rather than failure!)

I have seen some recent units that had gold plated coiled battery
terminals, and one unit that had been back to the factory for a
service and had the battery box like mine removed and a plated coiled
springy version fitted.

I'm trying to get my handsets upgraded. Trying to buy a unit with new
electronics which has been at shows for the past 18 months but bugger
all release to customers. Do you think I'll get it before I go to NZ?
I don't. Vapourware......

Pete S.

www.derwentelec.clara.co.uk
Steve Barlow - 27 Jan 2005 20:09 GMT
>I'm trying to get my handsets upgraded. Trying to buy a unit with new
>electronics which has been at shows for the past 18 months but bugger
>all release to customers. Do you think I'll get it before I go to NZ?
>I don't. Vapourware......

Upgrade to HammerHead

--
Steve Barlow
norman  hampton - 26 Jan 2005 22:40 GMT
yes i have had trouble with my hand sets . i wonder how many there are   out there  with failing  hand sets within  the last six months .it would be interesting to have some feedback .  my hand sets failed in the classroom whilst training
Gordon Henderson - 27 Jan 2005 08:56 GMT
>yes i have had trouble with my hand sets . i wonder how many there are   out there  with failing  hand sets within  the last six months .it would be interesting to have some feedback .  my hand sets failed in the classroom whilst training

If your instructor has sent a message to the list then he'd have found
out almost immediately what the score was.

That is one thing that annoys me - the number of instructors who just
can't be bothered to subscribe to the list (for whatever reason) It's
hardly rocket science to manage and maintain emails from the list - you
don't even have to store them as there are web based archives avalable.

If you had trouble in the class-room, then the unit if BROKEN and should
be sent back before it gets into the water.

Gordon
(Lifetime warranty or until it gets wet)
(Thats a joke btw!)
Slightly Worried !! - 28 Jan 2005 09:41 GMT
Thanks Gordon for your input.

But without going into to much detail, i was waiting to hear other peoples problems, to see if they were the same as mine. Let me Explain, my unit is brand new, and had only done 3 hours dive time, a friends 'brand new ' unit, only one hand set worked when he took it out of the box, another 'brand new' unit failed after 2 hours diving, whilst under water - and all 3 units would not turn on at all !! all units failed while we were doing our course, £13,500.00 worth of kit, and all 3 fail the same way, you can now understand why i am 'slightly worried' ????, yes batterys where brand new and changed, no it wasn't bounce, we are talking component failure on the slave.

Thanks.

Peter.
Gordon Henderson - 28 Jan 2005 09:52 GMT
>Thanks Gordon for your input.
>
>But without going into to much detail, i was waiting to hear other peoples problems, to see if they were the same as mine. Let me Explain,
my unit is brand new, and had only done 3 hours dive time, a friends
'brand new ' unit, only one hand set worked when he took it out of the
box, another 'brand new' unit failed after 2 hours diving, whilst under
water - and all 3 units would not turn on at all !! all units failed
while we were doing our course, ?13,500.00 worth of kit, and all 3 fail
the same way, you can now understand why i am 'slightly worried' ????,
yes batterys where brand new and changed, no it wasn't bounce, we are
talking component failure on the slave.

I'd say that was very unusual. there are (probably) over 6000 Inspriations
out and about now and if they all had these problems we'd all very soon
know about it, however, don't muck about:

 S e n d  i t  B a c k  t o  t h e  f a c t o r y

Actually, if you bought them from an Instructor, under the UK sale of
goods act, he's the one responsible for selling you a working unit. Take
them back to him/her and insist that you get working units.

Gordon
Slightly Worried !! - 28 Jan 2005 10:13 GMT
Thanks again Gordon.

The units are back with Ap, they supplied 2 'works' heads so we could finish the course - the original reason for failing was cold temperature??,dont think so, quarry dive to 25 meters for skills - about 6', to cold??, am off to Norway in June, think i had better take my OC gear as back up!! - again, not all failed in the water....

2 friends brought units last year, dived with them all last year, not even a hickup!! - something has been changed in the unit, we have been told a chip has been changed, but why only one handset failing ?, i undermine the cold temp theory, and suspect i will never know the real reason. I have just sent a e-mither to Sarah to post me on the list of owners, we will see....

Peter.
AC - 27 Jan 2005 00:07 GMT
> Has anybody out there had any problems with Insperation handsets not
> powering up - failing underwater??

My unit is almost 7 years old and around 3 years ago I had the handsets
upgraded to the backlit version. Until recently I had suffered no problems
whatsoever. On a recent trip I experienced two problems:

1. I surfaced from a dive to discover that the Slave was blank despite the
power switch being in the 'on' position. Now it is possible for this to
happen by sliding the centre and right-hand switches up simultaneously but I
don't believe this could have happened. Never really got to the bottom of it
for reasons that will become clear in (2.) below.

2. The backlight on one of my handsets was so dim as to be useless so I sent
the electronics back to have the problem investigated. To cure this problem
I had to have both electronic modules replaced at a cost of around ?400. APD
stated that the failure of the backlight can only happen as a result of very
rough handling of the handset. Well, that is a meaningless statement. If
very rough handling can cause backlight failure then if there is a weak link
in the electronics mild handling could result in its failure. I've always
been very careful to protect my handsets.

Regards

AC
Slightly Worried !! - 28 Jan 2005 09:49 GMT
Thanks for your response.

As you will see to my reply to Gordon, brand new units failing ?, master turns on without fuss, slave spits its dummy and doesn't want to play !!

There is no pattern to failing, one straight out of the crate, one in the water, one checked out ok at home, got to the dive site, in-op!! - 4 hours journey wasted, and confidence it hard !!

PB
 
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