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Scuba Forum / UK Scuba / November 2004Happy Thanksgiving
Over the many years, I've had more than my share of joy, more than my share of friends and more than my share of love . . . and I'm a diver. Just when I thought I had it all, along came Jayna to show me what had been missing. Now I really do have it all and I am thankful. For those who, like me, celebrate Thanksgiving, happy Thanksgiving. For those that don't, pretty much everybody here, happy Thanksgiving anyway. Lee Thanks for the thought? Thanksgiving is a American holiday, a big deal here in the US Americans get all teary eyed around this holiday kinda like Boxing day in the UK the holiday is nothing here in the USA cept we tend not to be tearie eyed about the freedom thing, Shame about the Indian's > Over the many years, I've had more than my share of joy, more than my > share of friends and more than my share of love . . . and I'm a diver. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lee > Thanks for the thought? Thanksgiving is a American holiday, a big deal > here in the US Americans get all teary eyed around this holiday kinda like > Boxing day in the UK the holiday is nothing here in the USA cept we tend > not to be tearie eyed about the freedom thing, Shame about the Indian's Uh? Difficult to pick out the starts and ends of where sentences should be, but are you trying to say that Boxing Day is a big holiday in the UK? If it is, its the first i've heard of it... it's just the day after Christmas, which thankfully also happens to be a holiday. David >> Thanks for the thought? Thanksgiving is a American holiday, a big deal >> here in the US Americans get all teary eyed around this holiday kinda [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > David sorry my poor Midlands education! yes it was my point and Boxing day is still a big deal around my familys way maybe moving would soften your miserable holidays. > Thanks for the thought? Thanksgiving is a American holiday, a big deal here > in the US Americans get all teary eyed around this holiday kinda like Boxing > day in the UK the holiday is nothing here in the USA cept we tend not to be > tearie eyed about the freedom thing, Shame about the Indian's Hey. No need to be so miserable. I've only had the fortune to appreciate one Thanksgiving in the US, but it was definitely enjoyable. Happy Thanksgiving, Lee. - Keith Sadly the origin is lost on me but a good feed miserable nahhh just not affected by the holiday >> Thanks for the thought? Thanksgiving is a American holiday, a big deal >> here in the US Americans get all teary eyed around this holiday kinda [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Keith >> Thanks for the thought? Thanksgiving is a American holiday, a big deal here >> in the US Americans get all teary eyed around this holiday kinda like Boxing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >one Thanksgiving in the US, but it was definitely enjoyable. Happy >Thanksgiving, Lee. You were lucky.. Hotel I was staying in gave all but one person the day off, and shut down *ALL* services.. no food/drink/room service or anything... took 2hrs to find anywhere that had any capacity to serve food :( Not the best of times for me.. but definitely a big deal for the folks out in the US :) Not what you want after 12hrs at work.. Apart from that single misfortunate day for me... it's a top holiday out there, have a happy one and all that :) rich Simply put: Thanksgiving (for what) = in the US, nowhere else (that hasn't cot dragged in with all the extra american crap via TV & the media, including Father Xmas, the turkey and al that marketing). Xmas day (25th December) = Christian hijacking of the original pagan ceremony attached to the 22nd of December as the midwinter solstice, celebrating the start of the end of winter and the beginning of longer days and the future spring. Boxing day (26th December) = Traditional post Xmas bank holiday in the UK as an extra family day after the normal Xmas day festivities and also the day when most of the Xmas sports were played. New years day (1st January) = most of the word, at least the world that uses the Reformed Gregorian Calendar, not the Jewish etc. 2nd January = Post new year recuperation and 'hair of the dog' day fro the Scottish (bloody good idea as a day to get over the hangover). > 2nd January = Post new year recuperation and 'hair of the dog' day fro the > Scottish (bloody good idea as a day to get over the hangover). Can you extend pls to the meaning of hair of the dog day? Sounds interesting, at least from an ethnological point of view. ( pls could ya get that paw from my shoulder and watch yer own screen) Matthias >> 2nd January = Post new year recuperation and 'hair of the dog' day fro the >> Scottish (bloody good idea as a day to get over the hangover). > >Can you extend pls to the meaning of hair of the dog day? >Sounds interesting, at least from an ethnological point of view. >( pls could ya get that paw from my shoulder and watch yer own screen) "Hair of the Dog" is a shortened version of: "I'll have the hair of the dog that bit me last night"... It's essentially a revenge statement, but when translated basically means I'll work off my hangover by consuming more alcohol ;-) Gordon (Who wishes he was back in Scotland to enjoy the extra days holiday at New Year which the heathen inglish don't observe!!!) >>> 2nd January = Post new year recuperation and 'hair of the dog' day >>> fro the Scottish (bloody good idea as a day to get over the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > (Who wishes he was back in Scotland to enjoy the extra days holiday at > New Year which the heathen inglish don't observe!!!) Originally from a Roman "cure" for an infected dog bite - you burn the hair of the dog that bit you and put the ashes on the wound  SignatureChris Quinn T2 Metformin 2000mg, Asprin 75mg dx March 04 HBA1c 7.5%, June 04 HBA1c 6.5%, Sep 04 > Originally from a Roman "cure" for an infected dog bite - you burn the > hair of the dog that bit you and put the ashes on the wound Oops - ignore the sig - that's for another group! Chris Q >Over the many years, I've had more than my share of joy, more than my share >of friends and more than my share of love . . . and I'm a diver. Just when [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Lee <Typical UKRS Grinch Mode> Bah. More off topic rubbish from our septic cousins, please keep this on rec.sentimental.nonsense where it belongs. <TUGM off> FX: checks no-one is listening <wisper> That should have satisfied the cabale. Happy Thanksgiving. ;-) david >>Over the many years, I've had more than my share of joy, more than my >>share [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Bah. More off topic rubbish from our septic cousins, please keep this > on rec.sentimental.nonsense where it belongs. Hey, the word "diver" clearly appears in the previous post. <grin> > <TUGM off> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ;-) Thanks. I'm pretty sure to have a good one. Actually, Thanksgiving is Thursday, but I won't be on line then. I'll be aboard my boat, rafted up with friends and enjoying more food than I should eat and more drink than I should swallow. I'm looking forward to the break. Lee >>>Over the many years, I've had more than my share of joy, more than my >>>share [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Lee Any progress on the bar? Happy Thanksgiving (lucky bugger)! SignatureMichael Wolf ------------ Cthulhu for President! Why settle for the lesser evil? remove stopspam to reply > Any progress on the bar? It's been in place for a while. Thanks to help from here and elsewhere, it's been well received by all my friends, so much so that keeping it stocked takes some attention . . . it's a labor of love. Lee > Hey, the word "diver" clearly appears in the previous post. <grin> With or without 'muff' > For those who, like me, celebrate Thanksgiving, happy Thanksgiving. For > those that don't, pretty much everybody here, happy Thanksgiving anyway. > > Lee And a happy Thursday to you too! Best wishes Graham > Over the many years, I've had more than my share of joy, more than my share > of friends and more than my share of love . . . and I'm a diver. Just when [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > For those who, like me, celebrate Thanksgiving, happy Thanksgiving. For > those that don't, pretty much everybody here, happy Thanksgiving anyway. Strangely enough, we tend not to celebrate genocide over here. Alun Harford >> Over the many years, I've had more than my share of joy, more than my > share [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Alun Harford Alun - if you can't take a perfectly well-intentioned greeting in the spirit in which it was intended, perhaps you could either do us all the favour of keeping your gob shut for once or, failing that, stuff it full of both feet, both fists and whatever else it takes to prevent any sound coming out. Lee - thanks, Happy Thanksgiving to you too and apologies for the ill manners of some individuals on this side of the Pond. Iain > >> Over the many years, I've had more than my share of joy, more than my > > share [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > keeping your gob shut for once or, failing that, stuff it full of both feet, > both fists and whatever else it takes to prevent any sound coming out. The first "thanksgiving" was created in 1637, when the colonists of Massachusetts Bay Colony, angry at the murder of an English trader who had been suspected by the Pequots of kidnapping children, wanted revenge. Instead of attacking the military force that the tribe could put together, they snuck into the Pequot villages and burned to death all the women and children (with groups killing anybody who tried to escape). It was then signed into the law of the colony that " This day forth shall be a day of celebration and thanksgiving for subduing the Pequots ". Personally, I don't think that's anything to celebrate. Sorry Iain. Alun Harford > The first "thanksgiving" was created in 1637, when the colonists of > Massachusetts Bay Colony, angry at the murder of an English trader who had [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Alun Harford I think the Americans know about their own history, just like the English should know about their history. Pot calling kettle black springs to mind. taz. > > The first "thanksgiving" was created in 1637, when the colonists of > > Massachusetts Bay Colony, angry at the murder of an English trader who had [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > should know about their history. > Pot calling kettle black springs to mind. We don't celebrate our genocide. My issue is with the present, not the past. > > > The first "thanksgiving" was created in 1637, when the colonists of > > > Massachusetts Bay Colony, angry at the murder of an English trader who [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > We don't celebrate our genocide. > My issue is with the present, not the past. More specifically - *I* don't celebrate genocide. I wasn't trying to turn this into "My nationality is better than yours" crap. >>>>The first "thanksgiving" was created in 1637, when the colonists of >>>>Massachusetts Bay Colony, angry at the murder of an English trader who [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > More specifically - *I* don't celebrate genocide. I wasn't trying to turn > this into "My nationality is better than yours" crap. Neither was Lee, when he wished you a Happy Thanksgiving in the best of spirits. SignatureMichael Wolf ----- Cthulhu For President. Why settle for the lesser evil? remove stopspam to reply Lee wrote: >> >> Over the many years, I've had more than my share of joy, >> >> more than my share of friends and more than my share of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Thanksgiving. For those that don't, pretty much everybody >> >> here, happy Thanksgiving anyway. To which Alun churlishly replied: >> > Strangely enough, we tend not to celebrate genocide over >> > here. I snapped back: >> Alun - if you can't take a perfectly well-intentioned >> greeting in the spirit in which it was intended, perhaps you >> could either do us all the favour of keeping your gob shut >> for once or, failing that, stuff it full of both feet, >> both fists and whatever else it takes to prevent any sound >> coming out. Alun tried to justify himself with: > The first "thanksgiving" was created in 1637, when the > colonists of Massachusetts Bay Colony, angry at the murder of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > subduing the Pequots ". > Personally, I don't think that's anything to celebrate. Neither do I. However, you might like to look a little further back in history: 1621: the Mayflower colonists survived a rather devastating winter in 1620 (with the help of the Native Americans). After a fruitful harvest in 1621, Governor William Bradford proclaimed a day of thanksgiving and prayer to God. 1623: Governor Bradford proclaimed November 29 as a time for pilgrims to gather and "listen to ye pastor and render thanksgiving to ye Almighty God for all His blessings." I'm sure that many other occasions for the giving of thanks to the Almighty occurred in the intervening fourteen years before your example. However, in 1789, Washington declared the fourth Thursday in November to be National Thanksgiving Day in honour of the new US Constitution. (And I'm reasonably confident that the previous massacre of Pequots had absolutely nothing to do with the choice of date). Lincon made it a public holiday in 1863. The day was again the fourth Thursday in November. In 1941, this was changed to the last Thursday in November. Your example was not the first example of thanksgiving in the US, neither is it the event that the Americans celebrate. And none of the above excuses being rude when someone gives you good wishes. Iain > Neither do I. However, you might like to look a little further back in > history: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Governor William Bradford proclaimed a day of thanksgiving and prayer to > God. Ah - what a lovely story. Shame it's... a story. Yes, at Plymouth Plantation in 1621, there was a big feast where the settlers invited natives, which tends to get referred to in schools etc as the first thanksgiving. However, it never happened again and was forgotten about until a reference to it was discovered 200 years later. > 1623: Governor Bradford proclaimed November 29 as a time for pilgrims to > gather and "listen to ye pastor and render thanksgiving to ye Almighty God > for all His blessings." Read "History of Plymouth Plantation" by Bradford - you can even get it out of the UL. > And none of the above excuses being rude when someone gives you good wishes. It's UseNet. Alun Harford > The first "thanksgiving" was created in 1637, when the colonists of > Massachusetts Bay Colony, angry at the murder of an English trader who had > been suspected by the Pequots of kidnapping children, wanted revenge. There are quite different versions, even on the net. Matthias >> Over the many years, I've had more than my share of joy, more than my > share [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Strangely enough, we tend not to celebrate genocide over here. Hear Hear. > Alun Harford >>> For those who, like me, celebrate Thanksgiving, happy Thanksgiving. For >>> those that don't, pretty much everybody here, happy Thanksgiving anyway. >> >> Strangely enough, we tend not to celebrate genocide over here. > > Hear Hear. <plonk >> Over the many years, I've had more than my share of joy, more than my > share [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> For those who, like me, celebrate Thanksgiving, happy Thanksgiving. For >> those that don't, pretty much everybody here, happy Thanksgiving anyway. > Strangely enough, we tend not to celebrate genocide over here. What a happy coincidence. We don't celebrate it over here either. Lee |
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