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Scuba Forum / UK Scuba / November 2004WTB SS Backplates...
Just wondered if anyone had / knows of a good source of SS backplates - I know Tony H has some Ali ones (Had been told Ali corrodes - any comments???) Have had a bit of a browse, but all I can find seem a bit steep! TIA Graham > Just wondered if anyone had / knows of a good source of SS backplates - I > know Tony H has some Ali ones (Had been told Ali corrodes - any comments???) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Graham If you're interested, I have a SS Combro (UKRS) Backplate for sale complete with 1 piece harness email me offlist for info Nige All aluminium will corrode, less so with ours as it's made from high quality aluminium that is hard anodised, so corrosion will start if the anodising is scratched or damaged, however I've used mine for a few years worth of overseas trips and only slight 'furring' around the two bolt holes is any evidence of corrosion. The aluminium BP's will almost certainly last longer then the stitching of an average BCD! Several years I would expect. However that's not the core issue, the real reason to choose between ally or steel is weight. The Ally is ideal for travelling overseas and use with limited requirements for weight (warm-water with thin wetsuit offering little positive buoyancy). For example, when I dive in the Caribbean in water above 29c then I only need a 3mm shortie (mainly to stop the straps of the harness chafing), and with an ally back-plate which weight 700g and a single ally 80 cylinder I only need about 6Lb of lead. In even warmer water I dive in a T shirt and no lead. If I used a steel back-plate (2.5KG / 5.5Lb) I would be overweighed. However for cold water dry-suit diving in the UK and northern Europe, the 2.5KG of the steel BP and about 5KG of V weight is required. It's therefore much more about the type of diving than the small consideration of longevity. if you're needing it for cold water diving in thick, buoyant, suits requiring a lot of lead then get a steel BP, if you're wanting it for warm-water diving needing less weight fro travelling and becoming neutral in the water, then get aluminium. Many divers (like me) have one of each for that reason. Hope that clears that up. TonyH >> Just wondered if anyone had / knows of a good source of SS backplates - I >> know Tony H has some Ali ones (Had been told Ali corrodes - any [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Nige > All aluminium will corrode, less so with ours as it's made from high > quality aluminium that is hard anodised, so corrosion will start if the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > water I dive in a T shirt and no lead. If I used a steel back-plate > (2.5KG / 5.5Lb) I would be overweighed. You're surely correct about the weight issue, but not everybody matches your preferences (no surprise, huh?). I dive a steel plate in warm water specifically because it happens to give me near perfect buoyancy with no additional weight. I don't need a weight belt and, because by the time the dive's half over, I don't need any gas in my buoyancy control device either. It's a very comfortable way to dive. Two days ago, I took my plate and wing into fresh water for the first time. There, I quickly found out why I bought an aluminum plate so many years back. I was quite overweighted. Good thing I tested everything before the actual dives. My 18 lb lift wing would not float my equipment. Since I didn't have time to righ my aluminum plate before leaving for the dive sites, I switched over to my wife's 27 lb lift wing. The dive wasn't ideal, but it was manageable. The excess weight forced me to add more gas to the wing during the entire dive, which adds other buoyancy issues. > It's therefore much more about the type of diving than the small > consideration of longevity. if you're needing it for cold water diving in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Many divers (like me) have one of each for that reason. Yep. Now that I've got the time, it will likely be years before my next fresh water dive, I'll set my aluminum plate up so that I don't have to try to get it done at the last minute. Lee > You're surely correct about the weight issue, but not everybody matches > your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the dive's half over, I don't need any gas in my buoyancy control device > either. It's a very comfortable way to dive. A valid point, as I was with our club diving in the Red Sea last week and if my wife & I had our steel BP's instead of the aluminium we would have virtually not needed any lead at all, however i normally slip them on the cylinder cam-bands so negating that matter. However the core issue regarding the weight is often more to do with airline baggage allowances than weight in water, with some airlines strictly enforcing the 20KG + 5KG hand luggage. Many of us would prefer to take a steel BP on overseas trips but the almost 2Kg difference can be the make or break of our luggage, especially if (as i do) have a lot of UW photo gear to take as well. > Two days ago, I took my plate and wing into fresh water for the first > time. There, I quickly found out why I bought an aluminum plate so many [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Lee I always take the day off before a holiday to completely get my gear set-up before packing it (as per my standard packing list). TTFN & safe diving. >> You're surely correct about the weight issue, but not everybody matches >> your preferences (no surprise, huh?). I dive a steel plate in warm water [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > virtually not needed any lead at all, however i normally slip them on the > cylinder cam-bands so negating that matter. I looked for a good way to add and subtract weight for quite a while. I was interested both from the standpoint of diving with my aluminum plate while traveling or in fresh water and for when I use my wetsuit or tanks that are more buoyant than what I normally use. I settled on the Halcyon Trim pockets that, at the time, were a good deal. They have since raised in price by so much that, if I needed more of them, I'd shop elsewhere. I slide them onto my waist harness, then slide on my small knives (one sharp, one blunt) and then add a D ring to each side to hold everything in place. It's not even close to DIR, but it suits me. The pockets will hole about 4 lbs of soft weight each, probably more if I use hard weights. Eight pounds is enouigh for using my wetsuit and a more buoyant tank, but is probably not enough if I go to my aluminum plate and a more buoyant tank. I have enough extra pockets to add a couple to the cam straps or someplace else (depending on what gives me the best trim) if necessary. They're out of the way, compact and as streamlined as anything I've been able to come up with. > However the core issue regarding the weight is often more to do with > airline baggage allowances than weight in water, with some airlines > strictly enforcing the 20KG + 5KG hand luggage. Many of us would prefer > to take a steel BP on overseas trips but the almost 2Kg difference can be > the make or break of our luggage, especially if (as i do) have a lot of UW > photo gear to take as well. Understood. I've not traveled by air since I gave up my old jacket style BCD. I'll certainly keep your words in mind when I do. My aluminum plate is sitting in my living room as I type. I've got the harness, but lack much of the hardware, particularly the triglides. By the end of the weekend, it will be ready to go. > I always take the day off before a holiday to completely get my gear > set-up before packing it (as per my standard packing list). I start at least a week in advance, often more. It just aggrivates me no end when I forget something I knew I should have. I drive my wife nuts by starting early and making lists I check off. She drives me nuts by packing at the last minute and leaving things behind. Traveling by boat, as we often do, can make it even harder to replace what you forget than traveling by air. Lee > I looked for a good way to add and subtract weight for quite a while. I > was interested both from the standpoint of diving with my aluminum plate > while traveling or in fresh water and for when I use my wetsuit or tanks > that are more buoyant than what I normally use. I settled on the Halcyon > Trim pockets that, at the time, were a good deal. They have since raised > in price by so much that, if I needed more of them, I'd shop elsewhere. After diving with no weight-belt, weight harness or pouches for the last few years, both in the UK, where I use a V weight between my twinset & abroad, by putting the weights on the cam bands, I would hate to be encumbered, even with pouches. I was considering making some weight pouches that would slide over cylinder cam-bands so that I could securely place a weight on each cam band easily & securely. > Understood. I've not traveled by air since I gave up my old jacket style > BCD. I'll certainly keep your words in mind when I do. My aluminum plate > is sitting in my living room as I type. I've got the harness, but lack > much of the hardware, particularly the triglides. By the end of the > weekend, it will be ready to go. My wife & I travel at least twice a year by air and getting the luggage down to an acceptable weight, especially with underwater digital and 35mm photographic and video systems and a notebook (for downloading digital stills & video editing) can become quite a task. > I start at least a week in advance, often more. It just aggravates me no > end when I forget something I knew I should have. I drive my wife nuts by > starting early and making lists I check off. She drives me nuts by > packing at the last minute and leaving things behind. Traveling by boat, > as we often do, can make it even harder to replace what you forget than > traveling by air. We used to start a week or more in advance, but have now fine-tuned the packing, with Linda sorting out the clothing, paperwork and her video kit and I look after al the medical stuff, travel arrangements, SCUBA gear and my photographic kit; thus we have three sets of packing lists: 1. For UK or European diving where we are using our car so don't need to be quite as strict with size or weight allowances (as long as the suspension & chassis will bear it!). 2. Long haul flying where we usually get two 32Kg bags per person plus the normal hand luggage allowance. 3. Short haul (usually Europe & Middle East) where we budget for one 20KG bag each and haggle with the airline for a further 10Kg of 'sporting equipment' free allowance, plus the normal 5Kg hand baggage. Most airlines now allow an extra free 10Kg of sports equipment per person, although some still don't recognise SCUBA gear, even those that allow golf clubs! One of the old scams was to pack scuba gear in a golf bag with dummy club-heads. One little thing we do is to dismantle our regulators and we each carry two 1st stages on our pockets until we have checked-in and then we put them in our hand luggage so they aren't weighed, but are still X-rayed when we pass through into the departure area. Tony > After diving with no weight-belt, weight harness or pouches for the last few > years, both in the UK, where I use a V weight between my twinset & abroad, > by putting the weights on the cam bands, I would hate to be encumbered, even > with pouches. I was considering making some weight pouches that would slide > over cylinder cam-bands so that I could securely place a weight on each cam > band easily & securely. like there Tusa on the front? <http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/scuba-kit-Pages/Image0.html> <http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/scuba-kit-Pages/Image21.html> about 1,100 yen or 5.70 UKP each. If you want more detail let me know. >replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me > After diving with no weight-belt, weight harness or pouches for the last > few years, both in the UK, where I use a V weight between my twinset & > abroad, by putting the weights on the cam bands, I would hate to be > encumbered, even with pouches. I was considering making some weight > pouches that would slide over cylinder cam-bands so that I could securely > place a weight on each cam band easily & securely. I'm easy to convince on this one. I've been preaching the merits of no weight diving for a long time. Those that have, or feel a need to have weight that can be ditched won't be experiencing this. To be honest, I'm a bit surprised to hear of a somebody that dives where buoyancy shifts with depth are the rule rather than the exception, that dives without ditchable weight. Then again, the use of a drysuit and some form of BCD does provide redundant left. > My wife & I travel at least twice a year by air and getting the luggage > down to an acceptable weight, especially with underwater digital and 35mm > photographic and video systems and a notebook (for downloading digital > stills & video editing) can become quite a task. I gave up carrying underwater photography equipment when traveling or, for that matter, when diving locally. It's more bother than it's worth to me and, during a dive, it really detracts from what I enjoy the most, seeing whatever is there to see. I do carry a 3.2 mp digital for above the surface photography, but I've downsized it considerably from my prefious 35 mm equipment. It's smaller than a pack of cigarettes. I do carry a notebook computer. > 1. For UK or European diving where we are using our car so don't need to > be quite as strict with size or weight allowances (as long as the > suspension & chassis will bear it!). For Florida diving, I either use a car to get to a commercial dive charter or one of my own boats. The cruiser, a 32 foot Wellcraft, costs me considerably more to use than paying somebody else to take me. On the other hand, when we're cruising, it's our mobile home too. Best of all, no mobile home park fees. > Most airlines now allow an extra free 10Kg of sports equipment per person, > although some still don't recognise SCUBA gear, even those that allow golf [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and then we put them in our hand luggage so they aren't weighed, but are > still X-rayed when we pass through into the departure area. Here in the US, very little luggage actually gets weighed. At check in, it's normal to place luggage on a scale, but rare that anybody actually looks at the weight. If I think I'm close to the limit, I usually put two or three bags on the scale at a time, mixing and matching to minimize the weight on the scale at any one time. It seems it's too much trouble for most ticket agents to add up the total weight and divide to find out what the average weight is. The airline's failure is my gain. Hand luggage is almost never weighed. Our masks, regulators and computers travel with us. There are, of course, exceptions. Commuter airlines, which often fly smaller planes, are more likely to check baggage weight. Lee > the average weight is. The airline's failure is my gain. Hand luggage is > almost never weighed. I've never been on a plane where my hand luggage was weighed... ever! Which is handy, since 2 regs, a big torch, and a few books and the normal stuff would be considerably over the 5kg most airlines allow in hand luggage. David >> the average weight is. The airline's failure is my gain. Hand luggage >> is almost never weighed. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > David Step one: buy a newspaper in the airport and ask for the biggest bag they have. Step two: put all heavy items from hand luggage into bag Step three: allow checkin to weight hand luggage Step four: replace all items in hand luggage Step five: relax Stuff bought in the airport never seems to get weighed... Dan. >Just wondered if anyone had / knows of a good source of SS backplates - I >know Tony H has some Ali ones (Had been told Ali corrodes - any comments???) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Graham http://www.kitfondle.co.uk/backplates/index.htm >>Just wondered if anyone had / knows of a good source of SS backplates - I >>know Tony H has some Ali ones (Had been told Ali corrodes - any [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.kitfondle.co.uk/backplates/index.htm Am I the only one that's not that impressed by the Woz plates? What the hell are all those holes for?! My backplate has two bolt holes, five slots for a harness and a couple of holes for an Argon bottle attatchment and that's it! Whilst I appreciate that some people insist on using cambands for attaching cylinders <shudder>, the amount of holes and slots in the Woz plates does seem a bit overkill... > Am I the only one that's not that impressed by the Woz plates? What the hell > are all those holes for?! My backplate has two bolt holes, five slots for a > harness and a couple of holes for an Argon bottle attatchment and that's it! > Whilst I appreciate that some people insist on using cambands for attaching > cylinders <shudder>, the amount of holes and slots in the Woz plates does > seem a bit overkill... Dunno really... I can't envisage them being an entanglement risk, as long as you don't use them for anything! But then my own design Ali plate hasn't even got the holes for an argon bottle... Ben  Signature-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ben Panter, Garching, Germany email via www.benpanter.co.uk > Am I the only one that's not that impressed by the Woz plates? What the hell > are all those holes for?! My backplate has two bolt holes, five slots for a > harness <shrug> It doesn't make much difference to the weight and somebody might find them useful. The Combro plate had lots of holes down the middle as the old 11 inch spacing only really suited the cannonical hog rig and gave you no scope to fine tune up or down without fiddling the harness and moving the plate about. nigelH >>>Just wondered if anyone had / knows of a good source of SS backplates - I >>>know Tony H has some Ali ones (Had been told Ali corrodes - any [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >cylinders <shudder>, the amount of holes and slots in the Woz plates does >seem a bit overkill... Taking your plate abroad, want to use twins and no banded manifolded set available so have to strap a couple of indies onto your plate? Not inconceivable. I was actually wondering a couple of weeks ago what all the holes around the periphery of the majority of the common plates are actually used for. I guess that attachment of an argon bottle is one possibility. Anyone here hang anything else directly onto the plate? David "rads" <radsxxunspamxx@davidradley.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message > possibility. Anyone here hang anything else directly onto the plate? > > David Lift bags.... > Taking your plate abroad, want to use twins and no banded manifolded > set available so have to strap a couple of indies onto your plate? Not > inconceivable. Or take a set of bands with you. They'll still work for independents. I was going to do this until someone suggested rigging the second one as a stage, which only requires a bit of string, a clip and an extra cam band. > I was actually wondering a couple of weeks ago what all the holes > around the periphery of the majority of the common plates are actually > used for. I guess that attachment of an argon bottle is one > possibility. Anyone here hang anything else directly onto the plate? The Halcyon pocket uses 4 holes either side to fix onto the plate. I also have a couple of loops of bungy on the bottom of my plate to take lifting bags. I've seen people hanging argon bottles and torch battery cannisters onto the plate although I put both these items onto the waist band. Also lifting bags, flags, etc. Pete Signature____________________________________________________________________ Pete Young pete@antipope.dot.org Remove .dot to reply "Just another crouton, floating on the bouillabaisse of life" > I was actually wondering a couple of weeks ago what all the holes > around the periphery of the majority of the common plates are actually > used for. I guess that attachment of an argon bottle is one > possibility. Anyone here hang anything else directly onto the plate? My Halcyon plates all have holes around the periphery. In may case, 6 or 8 of them, I can't recall which, are used to attach a pouch that acts as a pad between me and the plate and as a home for my larger than average safety sausage/lift bag. Extra slots in the center, at least on the Halcyon plates, are there to accommodate their adapter-less wing and single tank mounting system. The cam bands run through the plate and wing rather than through a separate single tank adapter (STA). As far as I know, these are not real popular. They do not hold the tank as securely as a STA does and, when the tank does move, it's wearing directly against the wing. Lee > Extra slots in the center, at least on the Halcyon plates, are there to > accommodate their adapter-less wing and single tank mounting system. The > cam bands run through the plate and wing rather than through a separate > single tank adapter (STA). As far as I know, these are not real popular. > They do not hold the tank as securely as a STA does and, when the tank does > move, it's wearing directly against the wing. I've just done about 30ish dives using cam bands run through the plate and wing not a separate single tank adapter (STA). and having thought about the wear problem I used two of the big rubber pads that came with my setup. I had no detectable wear and no detectable movement of the tanks. I have a couple of pages showing my BP and if anybody is interested I can put up a pic or 2 of the other side. <http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/index.html> >replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me >> Extra slots in the center, at least on the Halcyon plates, are there to >> accommodate their adapter-less wing and single tank mounting system. The [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > my setup. I had no detectable wear and no detectable movement of the > tanks. Glad to hear it. Assuming you mean that the pads came with your Halcyon stuff, it's new since I last paid much attention to them. One of my wings has the slots. None of my plates do. My plates all predate the STA-less design. Lee > Glad to hear it. Assuming you mean that the pads came with your Halcyon > stuff, Infact it came with a Buddy BCD. and my plate is a Portland Oceaneering Type II with a built in carrying handle. This I think is a great idea. > it's new since I last paid much attention to them. One of my wings > has the slots. None of my plates do. My plates all predate the STA-less > design. >replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me >> Glad to hear it. Assuming you mean that the pads came with your Halcyon >> stuff, > > Infact it came with a Buddy BCD. and my plate is a Portland Oceaneering > Type II with a built in carrying handle. This I think is a great idea. I looked at your setup since I posted. If I'm not mistaken, there are a few others making metal plates that also have a built in channel to help keep the tank stable. Personally, I think it's an excellent design feature. Were Halcyon to do the same, they could get rid of those plastic rods they put in their wings. Lee > I've just done about 30ish dives using cam bands run through the plate > and wing not a separate single tank adapter (STA). and having thought > about the wear problem I used two of the big rubber pads that came with > my setup. ...what I did. > I had no detectable wear and no detectable movement of the > tanks. I think movement and/or wear is more likely to apply to the Halcyon no-sta design. On your plate, where the tank is held securely by the inverse channel, it ain't going to happen. > I have a couple of pages showing my BP and if anybody is interested I > can put up a pic or 2 of the other side. > <http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/index.html> Hey Jerome, that plate looks familiar! What on earth have you done with the harness, though! ;-) Cheers, Huw Signaturehttp://www.huwporter.com > > I've just done about 30ish dives using cam bands run through the plate > > and wing not a separate single tank adapter (STA). and having thought > > about the wear problem I used two of the big rubber pads that came with > > my setup. > > ...what I did. Hi Huw, how was your trip? > > I had no detectable wear and no detectable movement of the tanks. > > I think movement and/or wear is more likely to apply to the Halcyon no-sta > design. On your plate, where the tank is held securely by the inverse > channel, it ain't going to happen. I am not so sure that the inverse channel makes such a big difference. I am going to get an Ally plate, to avoid too much weight in my baggage and I don't think I can find one with an inverse channel so I will soon see. I may then have to go for an STA. > > > I have a couple of pages showing my BP and if anybody is interested I > > can put up a pic or 2 of the other side. > > <http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/index.html> > > Hey Jerome, that plate looks familiar! I should ;-) > What on earth have you done with the harness, though! ;-) I'm a DIMW diver ;-) and so far it works well for me. Which particular points do you refer to? or is it the lot? ;-) > Cheers, Huw -- >replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me > Hi Huw, how was your trip? So far so good, I'm still in Sydney in any case. Missing UK (and UKRS) diving (yes, really!) > I am not so sure that the inverse channel makes such a big difference. I > am going to get an Ally plate, to avoid too much weight in my baggage > and I don't think I can find one with an inverse channel so I will soon > see. I may then have to go for an STA. I keep thinking about doing an Ali version of my single tank travel plate: http://www.huwporter.com/scuba/hplate.html Any interest out there? I'll even post to the UK, postage on an ali shouldn't be too much? (Particularly compared to a SS plate. :-)) > I'm a DIMW diver ;-) and so far it works well for me. Which particular > points do you refer to? or is it the lot? ;-) Uhhhhhh, most of it! ;-) Cheers, Huw Signaturehttp://www.huwporter.com -- > I keep thinking about doing an Ali version of my single tank travel > plate: > http://www.huwporter.com/scuba/hplate.html > Any interest out there? I'll even post to the UK, postage on an ali > shouldn't be too much? (Particularly compared to a SS plate. :-)) I would buy one and if you want I can ask the company I know if they are interested in buying a few of those and the SS one > > I'm a DIMW diver ;-) and so far it works well for me. Which particular > > points do you refer to? or is it the lot? ;-) > > Uhhhhhh, most of it! ;-) Well life would be dull if we were all the same ;-) > Cheers, > Huw >replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me > > I keep thinking about doing an Ali version of my single tank travel > > plate: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I would buy one and if you want I can ask the company I know if they are > interested in buying a few of those and the SS one Excellent - I'll source some quotes tomorrow, and let you know. > > > I'm a DIMW diver ;-) and so far it works well for me. Which particular > > > points do you refer to? or is it the lot? ;-) > > > > Uhhhhhh, most of it! ;-) > > Well life would be dull if we were all the same ;-) ;-) Cheers, Huw Signaturehttp://www.huwporter.com -- > I keep thinking about doing an Ali version of my single tank travel > plate: http://www.huwporter.com/scuba/hplate.html > Any interest out there? I'll even post to the UK, postage on an ali > shouldn't be too much? (Particularly compared to a SS plate. :-)) Nice design. Everything seems to make sense. I don't, however, understand the comment about using cable ties to semipermanently mount the wing to the plate. Do you form a loop from top to bottom (pretty large cable tie) or go through the same holes you use for the cam bands? Also, there are two narrower slots near the top of the plate that don't seem to be used for anything. Do they have a purpose? I think I'll look around the states for something similar. If I can't find it, and freight, taxes, etc. aren't too high, I might be interested in one of yours. an aluminum version myself. >> I'm a DIMW diver ;-) and so far it works well for me. Which particular >> points do you refer to? or is it the lot? ;-) > > Uhhhhhh, most of it! ;-) I'm with you on this. There have been discussions in the past about the quick extension harness. This is the first time I've actually seen it. Personally, I find it a bit much. So far, I've not needed any form of quick release. If I did, I think I'd just put one in rather than try to combine the benefits of an easy way out of the kit and a one piece harness. If it works, it works, but I don't think it's something I'd chose for myself. Lee >> I keep thinking about doing an Ali version of my single tank travel >> plate: http://www.huwporter.com/scuba/hplate.html [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > there are two narrower slots near the top of the plate that don't seem to > be used for anything. Do they have a purpose? my guess Lee is there are no wing nut and bolts holding wing to plate. the wing only becomes attached by cam bands. so when trying to fit it together the cable tyies hold things in about the right place. David > my guess Lee is there are no wing nut and bolts holding wing to plate. the > wing only becomes attached by cam bands. > so when trying to fit it together the cable tyies hold things in about the > right place. That's pretty much what the referenced website said. My question is not why, but how. The website mentioned the integral grommets in relation to holding the wing in place. If the cable tie goes from top to bottom, it has to be pretty long. If it does through the same slots as the cam bands, it can be shorter and would seem to be equally or, perhaps, even more effective. I'm just wondering how Hew does it. Lee > > my guess Lee is there are no wing nut and bolts holding wing to plate. the > > wing only becomes attached by cam bands. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > can be shorter and would seem to be equally or, perhaps, even more > effective. I'm just wondering how Hew does it. Think of it as a lateral thinking test Lea. Your wing only seems to give you those options, how might someone else's wing be different/modified to allow more options? Here's a clue: http://huwporter.com/scuba/platewing1.jpg Cheers, Huw Signaturehttp://www.huwporter.com -- > Your wing only seems to give you those options, how might someone else's > wing be different/modified to allow more options? > > Here's a clue: > http://huwporter.com/scuba/platewing1.jpg Also http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/scuba-kit-Pages/Image0.html http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/scuba-kit-Pages/Image1.html >replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me > http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/scuba-kit-Pages/Image0.html > http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/scuba-kit-Pages/Image1.html Perhaps it's my night to be dense, but your wing appears to have holes that the cable ties pass through that my Halcyon Explorer wings don't. I still don't understand the how. The why is clear. Lee > > http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/scuba-kit-Pages/Image0.html > > http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/scuba-kit-Pages/Image1.html [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Lee The how is easy it is a hole punch. I just don't bother with the eyeletts that Huw uses. And you can see the pads I use are a bit bigger than the his. ;-) <http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/wing-back/wing-back.html> >replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me > The how is easy it is a hole punch. I just don't bother with the > eyeletts that Huw uses. And you can see the pads I use are a bit bigger > than the his. ;-) > <http://meekings.net/diving/scuba-kit/wing-back/wing-back.html> Thanks to both of you. The extra holes were, of course, what I had not considered. Lee > Think of it as a lateral thinking test Lea. Cute, Huw. As soon as I saw it, I apologized for the misspelling in a related thread. I'll do so here too. Sorry. > Here's a clue: > http://huwporter.com/scuba/platewing1.jpg Apparantly more clues are needed by the clueless (me). I'm assuming that our wings are similar in design, with only one grommet/whole at each end. I'm having trouble picturing how a short cable tie goes through a single hole in the wing and holds it. It's easy to see how a long one could go through both and do the job, but that does not appear to be what you've done. It's also easy to see how it could be used through the same slots as the cam bands and hold the wing in place, but that's obviously not what you've done either. May I see a picture of the other side please? Lee > > Think of it as a lateral thinking test Lea. > > Cute, Huw. As soon as I saw it, I apologized for the misspelling in a > related thread. I'll do so here too. Sorry. And that sarcasm was a little harsh too. Sorry. > > Here's a clue: > > http://huwporter.com/scuba/platewing1.jpg > > Apparantly more clues are needed by the clueless (me). I'm assuming that > our wings are similar in design, with only one grommet/whole at each end. That assumption is where you go wrong. Grommet kits are cheap, and easy to install. > May I see a picture of the other side please? http://www.huwporter.com/scuba/platewing2.jpg Cheers, Huw Signaturehttp://www.huwporter.com -- > And that sarcasm was a little harsh too. Sorry. Actually, it was deserved and made a valid point quite nicely. I was annoyed only with myself. I'll try harder. >> > Here's a clue: >> > http://huwporter.com/scuba/platewing1.jpg >> Apparantly more clues are needed by the clueless (me). I'm assuming that >> our wings are similar in design, with only one grommet/whole at each end. > > That assumption is where you go wrong. Grommet kits are cheap, and easy > to install. You are correct. That's exactly where I went wrong. Lee > I'm a DIMW diver I've been singing for the last couple of days... Bends, I've had a few, but then again, to few to mention; my gear, is complex too, I wear it all, without exemption. I never planned, a single dive; It's mainly luck, I'm still alive. My buddy may, or may not survive, I Did It MyWay! (Sorry...:-)) Cheers, Huw Signaturehttp://www.huwporter.com -- > I Did It MyWay! > > (Sorry...:-)) > > Cheers, > Huw YOUR SUPPOSED to be working on the Coldplay parody. Who gave YOU permission to head off into brat pack territory? Stick to the program! TTFN DaveA -- > YOUR SUPPOSED to be working on the Coldplay parody. > > Who gave YOU permission to head off into brat pack > territory? > > Stick to the program! Ah, Dave, but you can't force inspiration, if you'll pardon the pun. (Sorry for the late reply, just back from a week bushcamping) Cheers, Huw Signaturehttp://www.huwporter.com > > I'm a DIMW diver > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > (Sorry...:-)) No problem, it is good but there is only part of one part that may apply to me. ;-) > Cheers, > Huw >replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me > (Sorry...:-)) Weren't you also responsible for 'Greased Nitrox'? Are there any others out there I've missed? How about a compilation? Andy "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> > Extra slots in the center, at least on the Halcyon plates, are there to > accommodate their adapter-less wing and single tank mounting system. The > cam bands run through the plate and wing rather than through a separate > single tank adapter (STA). As far as I know, these are not real popular. > They do not hold the tank as securely as a STA does and, when the tank > does move, it's wearing directly against the wing. I've been using the adapterless system. There is no movement of the tank, especially when you use the Halcyon octogrip cam-bands. I've also been using an ally plate and there is a little corrosion around the bolt holes that are in use. Back to the OP, Go Dive have a SS plate on their site for ?49.99. jon >>>Just wondered if anyone had / knows of a good source of SS backplates - I >>>know Tony H has some Ali ones (Had been told Ali corrodes - any [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >cylinders <shudder>, the amount of holes and slots in the Woz plates does >seem a bit overkill... Well the slots are there for people to stick cambands through, either a single camband in the middle to hold a single cyl or you can use the top and bottom ones for cam banding a couple of cylinders on. The holes round the edge are used to attaching all sorts of goodies from tail storage to side storage, comfort pads etc. It's much easier to produce the plates with the slots and holes in to cater for the widest range of diving. If you want those extra slots then if the plate does not have them I would not fancy your chances of sticking a new slot in a 5mm plate afterwards. In an ideal world everyone would get a plate with the minimum number of holes and slots in. But then they would be one-offs and a couple of hundred quid a pop. Hope this helps.... Woz. > Just wondered if anyone had / knows of a good source of SS > backplates - I know Tony H has some Ali ones (Had been told > Ali corrodes - any comments???) Not a major concern...I use an AL plate with my twinset and while it goes a little crusty, the moment AL reacts, it forms aluminium oxide, which is rather tougher. Iain Thanks all for your comments. In the end picked up a new SS BP for ?50 retail..... Well, it was with a twinset, so I guess they cut a deal! Thanks for your comments - this one ran for far longer than I expected! Cheers Graham |
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