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Scuba Forum / UK Scuba / September 2004OT ..Help on decision for Win 2k pro or XP pro + SP2"
I wonder if I could ask for a bit of advice before Giant Striding into a situation I might regret. I run Windows 2K Pro but I am thinking of installing Win XP Pro + SP2 would this be a good idea? Your help would be greatly appreciated. foj > I wonder if I could ask for a bit of advice before Giant Striding into a > situation I might regret. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > foj Personally I prefer W2K, XP treats you like a fool. I got very annoyed after about 4 minutes... I now run exculsively W2K. CAS > > I wonder if I could ask for a bit of advice before Giant Striding into a > > situation I might regret. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > CAS Thanks for that CAS, I can make a big enough fool of myself as it is without an OS helping to do the job better. I'll take you advice. Regards foj > I wonder if I could ask for a bit of advice before Giant Striding into a > situation I might regret. > I run Windows 2K Pro but I am thinking of installing Win XP Pro + SP2 would > this be a good idea? Don't even think about it unless you've got at least 256Mb ram, preferably more. XP with SP2 gobbles up 100Mb even with no applications running, and the kernel leaks memory over time. - Keith > > I wonder if I could ask for a bit of advice before Giant Striding into a > > situation I might regret. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Keith Thanks Keith, I have 1M of memory on board, in light of that would you consider XP to be a viable option? Regards foj >I wonder if I could ask for a bit of advice before Giant Striding into a > situation I might regret. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Your help would be greatly appreciated. con: You only need XP Pro if you need to join an NT domain, otherwise XP Home is probably preferable. XP is very resource-hungry SP2 totally screws up my Psion Wavefinder and wireless networking. pro: MS will stop supporting W2k and XPSP1 soon Why not set up a Linux box? If you buy "Linux for Dummies" you get a Fedora DVD enclosed. I managed it and I *am* that dummy. > >I wonder if I could ask for a bit of advice before Giant Striding into a > > situation I might regret. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Why not set up a Linux box? If you buy "Linux for Dummies" you get a Fedora > DVD enclosed. I managed it and I *am* that dummy. I hadn't considered the Linux option, thank for the advice. I already run a wireless network so that'll rule out at least SP2 Regards foj >> >I wonder if I could ask for a bit of advice before Giant Striding into a >> > situation I might regret. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > a > wireless network so that'll rule out at least SP2 OK, I should expand on "screws up" wireless networking... I run my wireless network with no encryption, but with access to the router/access point restriced to only certain MAC addresses. With W2k and XPSP1, there is an option to use windows to configure your network *and* an option *not* to use windows to do this, if you have installed the configuration software that came bundled with your wifi stuff. With SP2 installed, there doesn't appear to be an option *not* to have windows handle the wireless networking, with the consequence that it does a scan, grabs the first network it can find, then won't let you change which network you're connected to. In my case, that meant it joining onto my neighbour's unsecured network and totally f.cking it up; even screwing up his file sharing and permissions. It's at times like that you wish one of you could hold Bill Gates down while the other kicks the crap out of him. >I wonder if I could ask for a bit of advice before Giant Striding into a >situation I might regret. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >foj I guess it really depends on what you are using it for (bit like asking which regs should I buy without telling us what and where you are going to dive). I know its not a popular position here, but I am a satisfied MS user. I'm running XPpro SP2 on my office machine. For me. its a Ronseal product. Quietly does what it is supposed to without bothering me, and lets me run the CAD packages and design tools in a stable environment. Ther may be something better out there but from a non-geeks (no offense anyone) point of view, I don't need it. > >I wonder if I could ask for a bit of advice before Giant Striding into a > >situation I might regret. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Ther may be something better out there but from a non-geeks (no > offense anyone) point of view, I don't need it. Yes, I get your point and thanks for that. I'm running a 3.2/1M Pentium 4, resting on a Abit IC7 Mobo, 1Gig memory and use it for Home Office, AutoCAD 2004, Windows Office Applications, Maya 5, and a number of other recourse hungry rendering applications. These run very nicely on Win2K but I didn't want to be left behind if there is a better operating system. Regards foj > Yes, I get your point and thanks for that. I'm running a 3.2/1M Pentium 4, > resting on a Abit IC7 Mobo, 1Gig memory and use it for Home Office, AutoCAD > 2004, Windows Office Applications, Maya 5, and a number of other recourse > hungry rendering applications. These run very nicely on Win2K but I didn't > want to be left behind if there is a better operating system. Then you'll probably want to move to it, if for no other reason than the fact that win2K is not going to be around forever. I have mine set up to dual boot XP/Linux as I develop code under XP and port it to Linux. XP has been very stable but it is a bit of a memory hog although turning off unnecessary services helps. - Keith Unless you have bespoke drivers for it, I would forget running quite a few bluetooth devices from it.. I have a bluetooth dongle which I used to connect my phone to outlook - memory like a sieve, so phone sync was a good thing! Not anymore.. SP2 killed that idea. Also, IE now has its pop-up/scripts blocker - which can get annoying.. I believe you can tame it to a certain extent though.. -- wilbo Cheers, Wilbo. > I have mine set up to dual boot XP/Linux as I develop code under > XP and port it to Linux. XP has been very stable but it is a bit of > a memory hog although turning off unnecessary services helps. I live with XPpro as I need to run a lot of very current M$ stuff. It is glitzy and fun but eats disk and ram. I suspect Rich's wireless problem is that I notice M$ have put shedloads of wireless support in so doubtless that has jumped all over his current instalation and kicked up the silt. nigelH >> I have mine set up to dual boot XP/Linux as I develop code under >> XP and port it to Linux. XP has been very stable but it is a bit of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >so doubtless that has jumped all over his current instalation and >kicked up the silt. That's the very reason I won't install SP2. It took long enough to get the wireless up and running in the first place, I'm buggered if I'm going to let Micro$hit screw it all up again. Pete S. >I wonder if I could ask for a bit of advice before Giant Striding into a >situation I might regret. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >foj One of the windows updates for XP home makes my CPU run at 100% and slows my PC to an unusable crawl. It took me about 3 weeks of antivirus and spybot research, which involved re-installing XP and, ultimately, backing up and reformatting the hard drive on 2 occasions, before I realised where the culprit was coming from. I didnt identify which update was causing the problem, as there are so many it would have taken forever to test by default. I now use XP home with SP1, (I think), and no updates. Zone Alarm, Spybot, Adaware, and AntiVir personal, have kept me free of attack since May. Read into this what you will <g>  SignatureRichard Faulkner > >I wonder if I could ask for a bit of advice before Giant Striding into a > >situation I might regret. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Read into this what you will <g> Thanks Richard I'll take you advice on board, I use the same computer protection and I too find it to be perfectly adequate. I'll stay away from SP2 if I take on Win XP Regards foj > I run Windows 2K Pro but I am thinking of installing Win XP Pro + SP2 would > this be a good idea? If its not broke why fix it? If your current system does everything you want then why change it? a retail version of XP pro cost over ?200. For all those why say Win2K will stop being supported soon, well by that time you'll probably be ready for a new PC anyway so you could change then, by that time there'll be a newer version of Windows available. Microsoft say that mainstream support will stop 31/5/05 and extended support will stop 31/5/07 see here http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];LifeWin > > I run Windows 2K Pro but I am thinking of installing Win XP Pro + SP2 > would > > this be a good idea? > > If its not broke why fix it? Thats my policy, but people kept laughing when i said i was running win 98 (i still have a machine on 3.1) Finally only installed 2k this year, and once i tweaked and narrowed down the start up apps. My desktop works just as well (and faster) running a celeron 450 and 319kb of memory as my 2.8ghz, 512kb Laptop running XP SP2 - which tells me that what you guys are saying is right. I find W2K much easier to use that XP anyway, so I wont be changing the desktop until Windows 2020 (Hologram edition) is released. Dont ask about the 319kb of RAM, I tried to upgrade, but found owning a compaq and upgrading got too expensive, so I rooted around some old presarios at work, came home with 5 cards of RAM and started messing about - this was the best I could get. But for now it aint broke so I aint going to fix it. Foj stick with 2k, although Linux does sound a good idea to me, its sort of like the rebreather of OS though and after 9 years of Windows I might find it hard adjusting. Alex > "paulj48" wrote > although Linux does sound a good idea to me, its > sort of like the rebreather of OS though and after 9 years of Windows I > might find it hard adjusting. It's more than that. The operating system is not the choice. The choice is what software do you want to run. Then you pick the OS that runs it with the least pain. nigelH > It's more than that. The operating system is not the choice. > The choice is what software do you want to run. Then you pick > the OS that runs it with the least pain. Whilst that's true, most people seem just to choose what they've been indoctrinated with, rather than what they need; for example, a squillion people will ask for MS-Word, when what they mean is "a word processor". With a very few exceptions, you can get the software you want for whichever OS you want. It's just that some OSes get you cheaper and more robust solutions than others... Vic. [self-appointed penguin evangelist] -- > although Linux does sound a good idea to me, its > sort of like the rebreather of OS though and after 9 years of Windows I > might find it hard adjusting. I'd been playing MS-Windows since rather earlier than I'd care to admit. I was very reticent about moving to Linux - I was quite happy with what I had. But work forced it upon me. It's a couple of years since any of my computers ran any Microsoft products - and they were dual-booting for some while before that. Once you get over the fear factor, Linux is much easier than certain corporations would have you believe... Vic. -- > I'd been playing MS-Windows since rather earlier than I'd care to admit. > I was very reticent about moving to Linux - I was quite happy with what > I had. But work forced it upon me. Hmmm. I've yet to find a development environment on Linux that gives me even a third of the productivity I have on Windows (for C++ at least). - Keith |
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