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Scuba Forum / UK Scuba / April 2004American Airlines Baggae Allowance
Just like to say flew American Airlines to the Caribbean and got 2 x 32 KG baggae allowance, makes our European flights seem a bit mean doesn't it. Also my fiancee flew over from Alabama and she flew US Air and gor 2 x 30KG baggage allowance. Incidently American Airlines boast of having the biggest seat room of any air line, they have rehashed the 777 to be 3 -5 - 3 and not 4 -4 -4 as most airlines so gaining a seat width. - great for those who spend lots of time at the CO2 refilling station :-) Cheers all Rob ps oh some stuff has been sold and site updated > Just like to say flew American Airlines to the Caribbean and got 2 x 32 KG > baggae allowance, makes our European flights seem a bit mean doesn't it. BA to Finland quoted me 800 quid for 50Kgs excess baggage. It's half my weight so why do they want over 4 times my ticket price? Darn it. It would be cheaper to find two people who wanted to go to Finland for a week with just cabin baggage and pay for their tickets so they can check my excess as theirs. i don't want an increased alowance, well it would be nice, I just want a fair price for the excess. Sorry. Touched a nerve. nigelH > > Just like to say flew American Airlines to the Caribbean and got 2 x 32 KG > > baggae allowance, makes our European flights seem a bit mean doesn't it. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > nigelH Duo from Birmingham have worked out fairly well on the baggage front. 6kg hand and 20kg hold for free ?10 each way for an additional 15kg of sports equipment ?4 per kg for each additional kg each way. so 40kg of extra baggage is costing us ?220 each. Flights are ?160 each. Nigel...BA are ripping you off big time. Digs >> Rob ROOK wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Nigel...BA are ripping you off big time. Yes. I know that.?35 for each 10Kgs to the Canaries in March. Britania. It may freight. I have the advantage that Combro have a shipping agent. nigelH > Darn it. It would be cheaper to find two people who wanted to go to > Finland for a week with just cabin baggage and pay for their tickets [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sorry. Touched a nerve. What annoys the heck out of me is that I (personally!) don't weigh squat. Why should I have to have the same baggage allowance as someone twice my weight? Why does taking something out yor carry-on and putting it in your pockets suddenly make it "not count"? If they're actually worried about the weight of the bags, charge by weight, all of it (including the person getting on the flight). If it's just a way to get more money out of us then I wish they'd just raise the ticket prices and stop whining about it all... :( Sorry, you touched a nerve. I fly too much, the entire baggage thing annoys me... Al. > If they're actually worried about the weight of the bags, charge by > weight, all of it (including the person getting on the flight). Hear, hear. I would like to see a price for a person on a flight + x/kg for hold luggage + 5x/kg for carry on. x would have to be a value that makes 5kg carry on and 20 kg checked come to the same ticket price. It would kick all of the people who are too important to stand by the baggage carousel into touch with their "hand baggage" suitcases & make security faster and more effective. It would also stop people taking 2 kg of toiletries away for an overnight trip.... Anyway, taking of rip offs and security, a couple of weeks ago, I had a disposable razor (that I had forgotten) removed from my hand luggage and confiscated. Fair enough I thought, so I go through and have a look around the shops. Boots airside in T2 are selling the exact same thing. Seems to undermine the whole operation to me. Sorry, you lanced a nerve! Keith > Anyway, taking of rip offs and security, a couple of weeks ago, I had a > disposable razor (that I had forgotten) removed from my hand luggage and > confiscated. Fair enough I thought, so I go through and have a look around > the shops. Boots airside in T2 are selling the exact same thing. Seems to > undermine the whole operation to me. Hmm, right hand, left hand... *sigh* Al. > Anyway, taking of rip offs and security, a couple of weeks ago, I had a > disposable razor (that I had forgotten) removed from my hand luggage and > confiscated. Fair enough I thought, so I go through and have a look around > the shops. Boots airside in T2 are selling the exact same thing. Seems to > undermine the whole operation to me. They take nail scissors off you because they constitute a weapon, but then sell you litre (glass) bottles of spirits. I know which "weapon" I'd rather have in a rumble... Vic. "Vic" <vic@innocent.com> wrote in message > They take nail scissors off you because they constitute a weapon, but > then sell you litre (glass) bottles of spirits. > > I know which "weapon" I'd rather have in a rumble... But you could cut the pilots fingernails painfully short ;-p I think that the problem is that security won't get in the way of retail. Keith >>Darn it. It would be cheaper to find two people who wanted to go to >>Finland for a week with just cabin baggage and pay for their tickets [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > weight? Why does taking something out yor carry-on and putting it in your > pockets suddenly make it "not count"? Well, to be fair, there are quite a few of us who are large not through choice but by nature - and if you're going to charge by mass, fine, but make sure you give me a seat that I can actually get my frame into and be as comfortable as anyone else. Trust me, on an 8 hour flight people who are over the "Mr Average" size pay plenty in terms of comfort - have you ever sat in a seat where your knee - seat length is higher than the space? Have you ever leant back in your chair and realised that you are looking at the person behind you? Ben  SignatureBen Panter, Edinburgh My name (no spaces)@bigfoot which is a com. <snip> > Trust me, on an 8 hour flight people who are over the "Mr Average" size > pay plenty in terms of comfort - have you ever sat in a seat where your > knee - seat length is higher than the space? Have you ever leant back in > your chair and realised that you are looking at the person behind you? > > Ben <smug> Hehehe - its in threads like this that I realise that there are some considerable advantages to being a shortarse. I can't think of the last time I was particularly uncomfortable on a plane...even in cattle class! CAS </smug> -- Temperature @ Stoney? Find it or share it @ http://stoneytemps.calumscott.me.uk/ "The measure of a man's wealth is the fewness of his wants" - Jack Mullholand > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > </smug> > -- CAS is so small you could put him in your carry on luggage ;- > Temperature @ Stoney? Find it or share it @ > http://stoneytemps.calumscott.me.uk/ > "The measure of a man's wealth is the fewness of his wants" - Jack > Mullholand > CAS is so small you could put him in your carry on luggage ;-) Not quite, but I would fit quite happily in a squashy-bag, add weezle to prevent freezing... ...anyone heading to the Red Sea with spare luggage capacity? CAS -- Temperature @ Stoney? Find it or share it @ http://stoneytemps.calumscott.me.uk/ "The measure of a man's wealth is the fewness of his wants" - Jack Mullholand > > CAS is so small you could put him in your carry on luggage ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "The measure of a man's wealth is the fewness of his wants" - Jack > Mullholand and so we get around full circle. Cas we just explained, buying a seat is cheaper than shipping the weight in excess, and no one on here going to the Red Sea is going to have "spare" luggage capacity! Digs > and so we get around full circle. Cas we just explained, buying a seat is > cheaper than shipping the weight in excess, and no one on here going to the > Red Sea is going to have "spare" luggage capacity! > > Digs Oh aye! So we have... ...I'm about to see what I can get out of Globespan (Scottish charter operator) for when I go to Spain in October. Their website lists all kinds of stuff that they can carry for fixed sums (golf clubs ?10, bike ?15 etc) but no sign of SCUBA gear. I will report my findings in due course! CAS PS. Take your point about the Red Sea "spare luggage" capacity - that really *was* wishful thinking! > BA to Finland quoted me 800 quid for 50Kgs excess baggage. > It's half my weight so why do they want over 4 times my ticket price? Surely if you've got enough money to waste on a rebreather, a few quid excess luggage charges is a mere bagatelle? Next time one of you is bragging about how much you've saved on helium costs this year, I'll remind you of this conversation. Jason SignatureSee http://www.scuba-addict.co.uk/ for UK diving reports including trips to Plymouth, Weymouth, Falmouth, Exmouth and Scapa Flow >> BA to Finland quoted me 800 quid for 50Kgs excess baggage. >> It's half my weight so why do they want over 4 times my ticket price? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Next time one of you is bragging about how much you've saved on helium > costs this year, I'll remind you of this conversation. Hey this is me! I never pretend diving is cheap. I just choose to do it and pay the rate. nigelH >>> BA to Finland quoted me 800 quid for 50Kgs excess baggage. >>> It's half my weight so why do they want over 4 times my ticket price? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Hey this is me! I never pretend diving is cheap. >I just choose to do it and pay the rate. It's just that our rate is cheaper than Jasons rate..... And I fly Emirates because if you join the frequent flyers club they carry sports equipment FREE. In general though I agree with all the sentiments expressed about airlines and baggage and.... and.... When we went to G Cayman, we had enough luggage allowance for 1 Inspiration, 1x20kg tub of lime, and enough left for all the "other" things people take on holiday. Pete S. On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:18:47 +0000, wrote: >>Hey this is me! I never pretend diving is cheap. >>I just choose to do it and pay the rate. >> > It's just that our rate is cheaper than Jasons rate..... If you're only diving nitrox, it isn't. It's about the same. > In general though I agree with all the sentiments expressed about > airlines and baggage and.... and.... When we went to G Cayman, we had > enough luggage allowance for 1 Inspiration, 1x20kg tub of lime, and > enough left for all the "other" things people take on holiday. Britannia got very arsey on my last trip to the Maldives. My hand luggage was a whole 7kgs. It only really had my camera, housing, flash and a spare set of clothes in it. Next time I'm going to put everything in my pockets, get my bag weighed, and then put it all back in there. What a farce. Jason Signaturehttp://www.scuba-addict.co.uk/ for Aussie diving reports including Stradbroke Island, Terrigal, Jervis Bay and Portsea > Britannia got very arsey on my last trip to the Maldives. My hand luggage > was a whole 7kgs. It only really had my camera, housing, flash and a spare > set of clothes in it. Next time I'm going to put everything in my pockets, > get my bag weighed, and then put it all back in there. What a farce. > > Jason That's the opposite of what I had last year on a Malta trip. 22Kg Hold 5Kg Hand 5Kg Extra free for Diving kit. I came in at 32 Kg for Hold Baggage and they didn't bat an eyelid at check in. Might be because it was short haul though. JMC on the other hand *shudder* DaveA :-) On another note I've just booked with Air Malta for October. Allowances: 22Kg Standard Hold 5Kg Cabin 15Kg FREE allowance for dive gear on production of diving cert card! That's the way to do it! And they were cheaper from Manchester than BA from Gatwick with sensible flight times as well! BA Dep LGW 16:45 arr MLA 21:15 Dep MLA 21:15 arr LGW 23:30 (10 mins AFTER the last train!) and the Manchester to London travel on top Cost £215.00 + train fares (£70 (ish) ) Air Malta Dep MAN 12:40 arr MLA 17:00 Dep MLA 17:00 arr MAN 19:15 Cost £207.00 I like BA but not *that* much DaveA > That's the opposite of what I had last year on a Malta trip. > > 22Kg Hold > 5Kg Hand Not really. You've still only got 5kgs of hand luggage. Decent airlines are now giving 7kgs. As the bag weights about 1-2kgs empty, you can't get an awful lot in 5kgs. And I'm not putting my camera in the hold. > I came in at 32 Kg for Hold Baggage and they didn't bat an eyelid > at check in. I had 31.4kgs hold. They told me not to put anything else in it or it would hit the new 32kgs limit. > JMC on the other hand *shudder* No, MyTravel have got to be the worst. At everything. Jason SignatureSee http://www.scuba-addict.co.uk/ to view UK dive spaces or add your own. "Jason" <jason.usenet.nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > And I'm not putting my camera in the hold. For damage or theft reasons? It shouldn't get damaged in a decent aluminium case properly packed in firm foam. The problem with a lot of the new cases is that the foam in them is like blancmange and it just doesn't do it. I've never had a single breakage or theft in all of my years of checking in pro camera gear. Keith >"Jason" <jason.usenet.nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I've never had a single breakage or theft in all of my years of checking in >pro camera gear. I check in all my camera gear. And the breather. It give me a warm glow (fear mainly) to watch ?10k of kit disapearing up a conveyor at Heathrow...... So far, so good. But there just isn't any other way to do it. So you may as well just make sure it's well insured, check it all in, and walk away from it. I mean, it's not like I'm flying KLM or something. Pete S. >>"Jason" <jason.usenet.nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Pete S. Damned right not KLM - hadf them steal a DV cam from baggage, and in Schipol (sp) airport watched them throw a long bag - say 5 to 6 frrt long and about 18" diameter out from the hold into the trolley sadly it landed on the back rail and then just snapped in two, you saw the guys laughing their heads off. KLM is the reason I won't got to Bonaire, all this on Aruba trip. Rob > Damned right not KLM - hadf them steal a DV cam from baggage, and in > Schipol (sp) airport watched them throw a long bag - say 5 to 6 frrt > long and about 18" diameter out from the hold into the trolley sadly > it landed on the back rail and then just snapped in two, you saw the > guys laughing their heads off. KLM is the reason I won't got to > Bonaire, all this on Aruba trip. KLM is not as bad as its Caribbean sister, ALM, which stands for 'All Luggage Mislaid'. - Keith > Damned right not KLM - hadf them steal a DV cam from baggage, and in > Schipol (sp) airport watched them throw a long bag - say 5 to 6 frrt > long and about 18" diameter out from the hold into the trolley sadly > it landed on the back rail and then just snapped in two, you saw the > guys laughing their heads off. KLM is the reason I won't got to > Bonaire, all this on Aruba trip. But the baggage handlers aren't KLM, are they? So you're going to get the same people no matter who you fly with. Jason SignatureSee http://www.scuba-addict.co.uk/ to view UK dive spaces or add your own. > For damage or theft reasons? Both really. > It shouldn't get damaged in a decent aluminium case properly packed in firm > foam. The problem with a lot of the new cases is that the foam in them is > like blancmange and it just doesn't do it. But isn't an aluminium case going to be very expensive and use up half of my hold allowance in weight anyway? Jason SignatureSee http://www.scuba-addict.co.uk/ to view UK dive spaces or add your own. "Jason" <jason.usenet.nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > But isn't an aluminium case going to be very expensive and use up half of > my hold allowance in weight anyway? > > Jason It's not going to be expensive compared to the contents, and the ally ones aren't that heavy really. It those Pelican cases that generally weigh more than their contents. Keith >Just like to say flew American Airlines to the Caribbean and got 2 x 32 KG >baggae allowance, makes our European flights seem a bit mean doesn't it. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >air line, they have rehashed the 777 to be 3 -5 - 3 and not 4 -4 -4 as most >airlines so gaining a seat width. - The standard layout for a 777 is 9 across. Common configs are 3-3-3 or 2-5-2. AA uses the 2-5-2 version. There are a few airlines that use a 10 across 3-4-3 layout. None could fit 12 across 2x32 is the standard alowance on all flights between Europe and US/Canada regardless of airline Dave flew to Truck Lagoon on Continental ( the long way :( ) 2 x 32kg AND 18kg hand luggage Must be the Yanks fly heavy it was almost embarasing checking in with only 1 bag just over 20kg (had to rush round adding stuff to get it up a bit) and 3kg hand luggage if i had gone the shorter route round the globe it would have been a lot more money and only 20Kg limit Still the 26 hrs flying from Japan to Huston and thru to London with only 2 films repeated every 2 hrs was Fun :) ATB Dunc > flew to Truck Lagoon on Continental ( the long way :( ) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > get it up a bit) and 3kg hand luggage > Nice one.. When I arrived at Truk (a few years ago), I was shocked to see a large american pull out a weight belt in the airport.. and this weight belt looked like it weighed as much as Al, and then some.. > Just like to say flew American Airlines to the Caribbean and got 2 x 32 KG > baggae allowance, makes our European flights seem a bit mean doesn't it. > > Also my fiancee flew over from Alabama and she flew US Air and gor 2 x 30KG > baggage allowance. I read somewhere that you are allowed to carry your camera on and it is not included in the weight. So just make sure it is in it's housing as well as that will save a few Kg's. Apparently News Cameramen used to take their professional cameras on by hand so they weren't weighed! What drives me mad is all the weighing at check in then everyone coming into the plane with twenty duty free bags. Which is then okay!!!! Baz. "Bari Pollard" <news@barijohnDOTplus.com> wrote in message > Apparently News Cameramen used to take their professional cameras on by hand > so they weren't weighed! No, that's cos they're newsos and they are sure that they will miss out on the big one if they don't. Most of them take it to the toilet too. > What drives me mad is all the weighing at check in then everyone coming into > the plane with twenty duty free bags. Which is then okay!!!! Agreed. Duty Free should be bought at the destination airport. The cost in unnecessary fuel that is passed on to the passengers eventually and the cost in unnecessary pollution that is passed on to our grandchildren is too high. Keith > Agreed. Duty Free should be bought at the destination airport. The cost in > unnecessary fuel that is passed on to the passengers eventually and the cost > in unnecessary pollution that is passed on to our grandchildren is too high. ..But if they did that, we'd have to pay airline prices for beer on the plane... Vic. >Agreed. Duty Free should be bought at the destination airport. If they did that then fares would definately rise since the airports make a significant amount of revenue from the duty free sales. iirc, ports like LGW and LHR make more money from the shopping concessions than they do from aircraft movements. At some places duty free can be purchased on arrival. Australia airports have duty free shops positioned immediately before immigration Dave "Dave Noble" <dave.noble@cableway.co.uk> wrote in message > If they did that then fares would definately rise since the airports > make a significant amount of revenue from the duty free sales. iirc, > ports like LGW and LHR make more money from the shopping concessions > than they do from aircraft movements. Yes, but they would get the revenue from their incoming trade to replace it. > At some places duty free can be purchased on arrival. Australia > airports have duty free shops positioned immediately before > immigration So has Terminal 1. Keith >>Agreed. Duty Free should be bought at the destination airport. > >If they did that then fares would definately rise since the airports >make a significant amount of revenue from the duty free sales. iirc, >ports like LGW and LHR make more money from the shopping concessions >than they do from aircraft movements. How would that make a net difference? Almost everyone is on a return ticket. ------------------------------------- York BSAC Web Page: http://website.lineone.net/~york_bsac >>>Agreed. Duty Free should be bought at the destination airport. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >How would that make a net difference? Almost everyone is on a return >ticket. Not true at all. LHR is a major connecting point. e.g. people flying from ORD-LHR-CDG and then returning CDG-LHR-ORD. At neither point through LHR would they be able to buy duty free since they are departing passengers in both directions Also, Based on the subset of passengers returning from a trip... When departing, many people travelling on holidays et al arrive at the airport shopping centre with a couple of hours to kill. To pass the time many people ( particularly those not making a beeline for the airline lounges ) will visit the duty free and make purchases. When returning, (a) the airport wants to get the passengers out and away as quickly as possible and (b) people don't have the same amount of time to kill as when departing. If people were limited to purchases on arrival, the number of purchases would decrease since only those with specific purchases to make would be likely to visit the shops. Dave > Apparently News Cameramen used to take their professional cameras on by hand > so they weren't weighed! > > What drives me mad is all the weighing at check in then everyone coming into > the plane with twenty duty free bags. Which is then okay!!!! note to self... pack all camera and scuba gear in duty free bags ;) > Apparently News Cameramen used to take their professional cameras on by hand > so they weren't weighed! Used to? They still do! (saw it about two weeks ago on a flight to Brussels) |
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