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Dilemma - Inspiration

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Kate Rowley - 06 Apr 2004 09:09 GMT
Hello all,

At the moment I'm stuck in a dilemma that I don't really know how to sort
out and wondered if anyone had any advice/experience.

I want to get a rebreather but can't afford a new one and know that there
is a list of second hand ones. Trouble is I also know that you need to be
booked on a course to get one. Now I'm stuck. Without knowing what's out
there in terms of availability and quality of second hand units I have
no idea if decent second hand units exist but I don't want to shell out
for the course for the privilege of finding out that they aren't decent
quality. In case anyone starts on the 'diving's an expensive sport so you
should expect to buy new things' I'm actually after two units. What are
the chances of getting hold of two decent second hand units to do the
course with given that I have not privvy to any information on second hand
units? Also, can someone recommend an instructor preferably near
South Scotland/Staffordshire?

Cheers for any advice you can provide

Kate
ferret - 06 Apr 2004 11:03 GMT
>Hello all,
>
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>units? Also, can someone recommend an instructor preferably near
>South Scotland/Staffordshire?

Speak to Nicky Finn at Ambient Pressure Diving - 01326 563834. She's
very helpful when it comes to all things to do with the Inspiration.
In fact, I bought my 2nd hand rebreather from APD. She'll also have
the up to date list of instructors.
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ferret
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Frank Bruce - 06 Apr 2004 14:58 GMT
> Hello all,
>
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>
> Kate

Kate,
Give Aberdeen Watersports a call - Phil or Ewan, unless you get a factory
refurb unit, it's buyer beware...... and you should be-warey, a number of
units I see are in need of a factory service, rewire and new cells that will
set you back UKP ?500 or there abouts.
Best

Frank Bruce
http://www.e-aquanauts.com
Kate Rowley - 06 Apr 2004 16:25 GMT
> Kate,
> Give Aberdeen Watersports a call - Phil or Ewan, unless you get a factory
> refurb unit, it's buyer beware...... and you should be-warey, a number of
> units I see are in need of a factory service, rewire and new cells that will
> set you back UKP £500 or there abouts.

Can you get factory refurb units? We did ring AP diving and were told that
they didn't sell second hand units. If they do then this would be the
preferred idea as I don't think I'd want to buy one sold as seen
especially as I'd have little experience knowing if it was good or bad.

Thanks for the advice
Kate
Frank Bruce - 06 Apr 2004 17:52 GMT
"Kate Rowley" <krowl001@udcf.gla.ac.uk> wrote in message
>Can you get factory refurb units? We did ring AP diving and were told that
>they didn't sell second hand units. If they do then this would be the
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>Thanks for the advice
>Kate

They don't usually, this was a "special" return of ten or twenty units from
the chap that the evolution was designed for, they were too heavy for him
and his guests.

Inspirations are no different to any other diving life support equipment,
I'd choose to get it factory serviced before I thought about using it.  Also
you need to be aware that with the imminent release of the Evolution and the
new Inspiration v2 electronics, Ambient Pressure are going to be very very
busy.... even if you were to order a new one, the turn around will be
delayed.

There are two types of regs, Seaman Sub on the very first units and Apeks on
the newer ones, these can be serviced at your LDS

The hoses, lungs etc - you'll need to clean - Buddy Clean is about 15.00

You should replace the cells regardless of what you've been told about them,
thats UKP? 55.00 each, you want three to use and I'd suggest three spare.

You'll want CRP2 like batteries, Energiser are the factory recommendations
but most people get Panasonics from MX2 http://www.mx2.com, and use them
without too many issues, each unit requires two and you'll want two spare.

If you read and familiarise yourself with the manual
http://www.apdiving.com/manual.htm at the back in appendix 9  you'll find
the predive checks - get the old owner to pre-dive the unit, assuming it
holds negative and positive pressure checks and calibrates ok there
shouldn't be too much wrong with it.

Pay close attention to the handsets and head unit, the handsets in some of
the older models cracked allowing water in - check the general condition and
marking - ask to see the unit calibrate. Next look inside the head - it
should be very clean and check the wiring on the molex connector to the
galvanic cells, this is a crimped connection and is exposed to O2 and
moisture - any black "verdigris" or shite :-) it needs to go to the factory
to be serviced - depending on if / when this was last done, it could cost
60-70 or 250-300.

If the unit is anything other than standard - I'd avoid it. - If you are in
any doubt call the factory with the serial numbers from the head and they
can give you the history and tell you who they think the owner is.

I'm sure others can add some more.

HTH

Frank Bruce
http://www.e-aquanauts.com
Dave - 06 Apr 2004 19:33 GMT
I trained with Aberdeen watersports, they have 2 Inspiration instructors,
both very experienced. They have had a used unit from time to time,

Dave

> "Kate Rowley" <krowl001@udcf.gla.ac.uk> wrote in message
> >Can you get factory refurb units? We did ring AP diving and were told that
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> Frank Bruce
> http://www.e-aquanauts.com
The Diver - 06 Apr 2004 23:40 GMT
Speak to Bob at Marsden Dive Centre(0191 4277820)-South Shields, Newcastle
upon Tyne.What he dont know about those "little yellow suicide boxes" aint
worth knowing!! He's been teaching them since they first 'arrived' on the
scene.
Danny Burchett - 07 Apr 2004 07:39 GMT
<SNIP>

>You'll want CRP2 like batteries, Energiser are the factory recommendations
>but most people get Panasonics from MX2 http://www.mx2.com, and use them
>without too many issues, each unit requires two and you'll want two spare.

They are cheaper at 7dayshop.com, but not by much!

If you want to travel a bit for the course (It's a weeks holiday) I
would reccomend either Martin Robson from eau2 http://www.eau2.com/ or
Gary Fox Dive action http://www.diveaction.co.uk/

I have no connection with either except that I have used both, gary
for mod1 and martin for mod2. Have heard others with good reports from
both.

Danny
The box said windows 98 or better, so I installed Linux

Header is false, correct is Danny at danshome dot org
Vic - 13 Apr 2004 13:54 GMT
> If you want to travel a bit for the course (It's a weeks holiday) I
> would reccomend either Martin Robson from eau2 http://www.eau2.com/

I did my Tech Diver with him.

> or
> Gary Fox Dive action http://www.diveaction.co.uk/

And my Inspiration training with him.

Both top blokes. I'd gladly use their services again.

Vic.
Gordon Henderson - 07 Apr 2004 08:42 GMT
>Hello all,
>
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>is a list of second hand ones. Trouble is I also know that you need to be
>booked on a course to get one.

Hi Kate,

As I'm sure you've read teh othe replies now, it is possible to get
a 2nd hand unit if you want to. There is now a small trade in 2nd hand
Inspirations - offten through Instructirs who are keeping their kit up to
date and a few private individuals who just want a new unit. Drop me an
email if you want me to post a message on the Inspiration list for you -
I've done this a few times in the past with good results.

The manual is online at http://www.apdiving.com/manual.htm so feel free
to read it. Theres also a list of instructors online, but just call the
factory for an up-to date list. Nicky or Sarah will point you in the
right direction for ones closes to you.

Inspirations aren't hard to service yourself, but the factory does offer
full servicing if you prefer.

Things you need to ask about when you buy the unit: Old or new handsets -
The older ones didn't have backlights, the newer ones do. Old or new
case (Although I suspect that I'm one of the very few with old cases
left - the new cases have been in production for 5 years now) Factory
fitted ADV, Bob-o-matic or no ADV. Counterlung size. Not having met
you, I don't know how tall you are, but unless you are 6' or over,
it's unlikely you'll need large counterlungs....

Also ask how old the cells are, but be prepared to buy a new set of 3
before using it anyway. Make sure you get the cell holder removal tool.

Good luck and welcome to the yellow side!!!

Gordon
Mary - 09 Apr 2004 15:16 GMT
Gordon,

I'm in the same situation as Kate, so I've just read the advice with
interest. I'd be grateful if you could add my name to the list as well. I've
heard lots about this list, but what and where is it exactly?

Mary Sinclair
mary.sinclair@bigfoot.com (header is false).

> >Hello all,
> >
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>
> Gordon
Nigel Hewitt - 09 Apr 2004 16:30 GMT
> I'm in the same situation as Kate, so I've just read the advice with
> interest. I'd be grateful if you could add my name to the list as well. I've
> heard lots about this list, but what and where is it exactly?

It's a closed list  I'm afraid administered by AP for owners
of the box. It does tend to get the more interesting traffic
as it is monitored by the factory and many of those who
have done serious time on the unit.

It also gets many of the *for sale* ads as people know there
will be no problem selling but nobody want a unit falling into
in unntrained hands with danger of putting another one on
the statistics.

nigelH
Gordon Henderson - 10 Apr 2004 00:53 GMT
>Gordon,
>
>I'm in the same situation as Kate, so I've just read the advice with
>interest. I'd be grateful if you could add my name to the list as well. I've
>heard lots about this list, but what and where is it exactly?

It's a closed list (as Nigel says) so I can't add you to it I'm
afraid. The powers that be in the factory add people when they get
informed of them being on a course. Not enough people get added to the
list IMO, however.

As for looking for a 2nd-hand unit, let myself or one of the other
regular yellow boxers know when you are actively looking for a unit and
we'll post a 'wanted' message for you.

Gordon
Chris Stephenson - 13 Apr 2004 12:39 GMT
> As for looking for a 2nd-hand unit, let myself or one of the other
> regular yellow boxers know when you are actively looking for a unit and
> we'll post a 'wanted' message for you.

Just out of idle curiosity what sort of money are we talking for an average
2nd hand unit?

Chris
Mary - 30 Apr 2004 20:25 GMT
> >Gordon,
> >
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>
> Gordon

Problem solved - I now own a 2nd hand unit thanks to these postings - cheers
Simon. Just need to get the time off work to do the course now.

Mary
 
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