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Janet's Regulator Saga

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Richard Faulkner - 25 Feb 2004 00:20 GMT
You will recall my buying Janet a Scubapro Regulator for her birthday,
but no octopus, pressure gauge, or BCD hose!! <g>

If I buy a second hand octopus, say a Scubapro 190, it seems that it
will need to be serviced for safety - How much does it cost to have a
proper service on something like this?

Ditto say Scubapro Compact Pressure Gauge and service.

If it's £50 a piece, it's not worth buying second hand, or is it?

Thanks again for the help, (and sarcasm), which will no doubt be
forthcoming <g>

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Pete Melbourne - 25 Feb 2004 09:38 GMT
>You will recall my buying Janet a Scubapro Regulator for her birthday,
>but no octopus, pressure gauge, or BCD hose!! <g>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Thanks again for the help, (and sarcasm), which will no doubt be
>forthcoming <g>

You are probably looking about £25 for a service, personally I would
just get new as you really have to wonder why someone would be selling
an octopus without the rest of the reg

Pete
diving 'at' melbourne 'dot' me 'dot' uk
Richard Faulkner - 25 Feb 2004 10:27 GMT
>>You will recall my buying Janet a Scubapro Regulator for her birthday,
>>but no octopus, pressure gauge, or BCD hose!! <g>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>Pete
>diving 'at' melbourne 'dot' me 'dot' uk

Does the same apply to the pressure gauge?

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Lee Bell - 25 Feb 2004 12:41 GMT
> >You will recall my buying Janet a Scubapro Regulator for her birthday,
> >but no octopus, pressure gauge, or BCD hose!! <g>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> just get new as you really have to wonder why someone would be selling
> an octopus without the rest of the reg

I can think of several reasons:
1. With my previous setup, I went to a combination inflator/alternate.  That
gave me a spare octopus.
2. With my plate and wing, I tried a combination inflator/alternate.  It
didn't work for me.  I sold the inflator/alternate.
3. Those that go from a single to twins, using a regulator they already
have, are likely to free up at least one octopus, assuming, of course, that
you don't have a primary and alternate on both regulators.
4. I once replaced my Conshelf 21 second stage with a Micra second stage,
using the same first stage.  That left me with an extra alternate.

Lee
Alun Harford - 25 Feb 2004 10:16 GMT
> You will recall my buying Janet a Scubapro Regulator for her birthday,
> but no octopus, pressure gauge, or BCD hose!! <g>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> If it's ?50 a piece, it's not worth buying second hand, or is it?

About ?20 or ?25 for a service I guess but I wouldn't buy second hand - you
don't know where it's been :-)

Alun Harford
Richard Faulkner - 25 Feb 2004 10:28 GMT
>> You will recall my buying Janet a Scubapro Regulator for her birthday,
>> but no octopus, pressure gauge, or BCD hose!! <g>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Alun Harford

Read & Understood!

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Nick Bown - 25 Feb 2004 10:56 GMT
> You will recall my buying Janet a Scubapro Regulator for her birthday,
> but no octopus, pressure gauge, or BCD hose!! <g>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> If it's ?50 a piece, it's not worth buying second hand, or is it?

You should be able to get a Beaver SPG for about 40 quid and an R190
octo for about 80. You may be able to get these for less at LIDS or
if you ask your LDS nicely :-)

I would say its worth getting the octo from the same manufacturer as the
first/second stage but its not so important for the SPG. I have a Suunto
SPG on my Mk25/S600 and a Beaver SPG on my Mk16/S190 pong reg. Both have
been fine so far.

Nick
Vic - 25 Feb 2004 11:05 GMT
> If it's £50 a piece, it's not worth buying second hand, or is it?

£50 for a second-hand pressure gauge? Not on your life.

£50 for a second-hand second stage? I wouldn't - by the time you've
serviced it, you're very close to the new price. If you can get him down
to £30, it might be worth thinking about...

Vic.
Lee Bell - 25 Feb 2004 12:35 GMT
> You will recall my buying Janet a Scubapro Regulator for her birthday,
> but no octopus, pressure gauge, or BCD hose!! <g>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> If it's ?50 a piece, it's not worth buying second hand, or is it?

Scuba Pro, in the U.S., warantees, i.e. pays for, all parts for life as long
as you get annual service.  Annual service is a requirement in every
warantee I know of and a recommendation that most divers at least try to
follow.  You may or may not save enough to make a new regulator a better
purchase than a used one.  I've never even considered having a guage
serviced and make a point of buying computers that allow the user to change
batteries, the most common service they get.

My suggestions:
1. Check the service prices at a local dive shop.  That's where your service
will be done anyway.  Be sure to understand how much is parts and how much
is labor.  Ask about the warantee to ensure what you get is the same as what
I get.
2. Buy whatever, under the circumstances, makes sense.  I normally buy new,
but I can afford to humor my own preferences.  I bought used regulators when
money was a bit tighter.  I still have them and they still work fine.  I've
yet to retire a regulator except to sell it to somebody who, like me, finds
the cost of used to be more reasonable than the cost of new.
3. Whichever you buy, insist that the regulator be serviced before you
accept it.  That's a responsibility I always place on the seller.  At least
that way, I know I'm getting a working product for my money and am
reasonably assured it will continue working for a while.

Lee
FISHinthecity - 25 Feb 2004 13:58 GMT
> > You will recall my buying Janet a Scubapro Regulator for her birthday,
> > but no octopus, pressure gauge, or BCD hose!! <g>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Lee

People lie - unless you know the person really well do not accept it when
they say it has been serviced.

We have seen many regulators brought second hand and the buyer has thought
they have been serviced but once they have been opened it is apparent they
probably have never been serviced  - ever!

Janine
FISHinthecity
Lee Bell - 26 Feb 2004 03:17 GMT
>>> You will recall my buying Janet a Scubapro Regulator for her
>>> birthday, but no octopus, pressure gauge, or BCD hose!! <g>
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> thought they have been serviced but once they have been opened it is
> apparent they probably have never been serviced  - ever!

I suppose that's true.  The last regulator I bought was serviced at a shot
that put a dated ring on the hose.  I thought that was a good idea not only
so that others know when the regulator was last serviced, but also so that I
know when to bring it back for another.

Lee
rnf2 - 26 Feb 2004 07:20 GMT
> I suppose that's true.  The last regulator I bought was serviced at a shot
> that put a dated ring on the hose.  I thought that was a good idea not only
> so that others know when the regulator was last serviced, but also so that I
> know when to bring it back for another.
>
> Lee

That sounds like NZ's "Seal of Confidence" which has been running here for a
while which sits around the tank vale under the knob... NZ safety law for
pressurused gas bottles like Scuba and Weldign gas bottles is they need a
Hydro test and a Visual every second year and a visual every year, one held
simultaniously with the hydro, the other in 12 months, repeat..

The seal of confidence is coloured for each year, blue this year, white the
next... etc.. so if your rank goes for a test and comes back with the same
colour ring you know they skimped and just stamped the tank without opening
it for a check... since to change the ring you need to remove the valve...
Daniel Greenway - 25 Feb 2004 19:07 GMT
> You will recall my buying Janet a Scubapro Regulator for her birthday,
> but no octopus, pressure gauge, or BCD hose!! <g>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks again for the help, (and sarcasm), which will no doubt be
> forthcoming <g>

Richard,
      I have a brand new R190 Octopus I'm looking to sell. I got this with
a Pony package and I've decided to replace it with a R390 to match my main
octopus. It's brand new, never been in the water and I haven't even filled
in the warrany card yet. Make me a offer.

thanks
Dan Greenway
danatdgreenwaydotcodotuk
Manic Grin - 26 Feb 2004 13:43 GMT
I took my 2nd hand regs along to Pete Church in Nottingham
(www.divequip.co.uk) who tested them and gave an honest appraisal
whether they needed a service or not rather than the 'of course they
do, sir' from most LDS.  They didn't- the TX40 I got had only been
recently done (you can tell by the condition of the inlet filter)  and
the 2nd hand Jetstream looked, in his opinion, pretty much unused.

But as with anything 2nd hand, you are taking a risk when buying from
soneone unknown- in my case I was lucky but the regs were cheap so not
too much of a risk plus I can get them looked at for free....

Anyhoo, I blather on.  Pete's cost for reg servicing is 18.50 plus
parts which work out at 12.50 for an Apeks 1st stage and 5.25 for the
2nd stage. I would have thought S/pro stuff would be around these
prices too.

I would also say that 50 quid is pricey for an Octo- you can get new
for not a huge amount more.  You should be looking at 20 or 30.

Woz.

>You will recall my buying Janet a Scubapro Regulator for her birthday,
>but no octopus, pressure gauge, or BCD hose!! <g>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Thanks again for the help, (and sarcasm), which will no doubt be
>forthcoming <g>
 
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