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Gat'rBait - 03 Jul 2004 03:41 GMT
It has been 5 years since I flew to a dive site.  At that time we packed our
Regs, Computers, etc (including knives) in our carry on bag and except for
the new baggage checker who never saw dive gear before, we traveled without
a hitch.

We are planning a trip to Coz this fall and am wondering the proper way to
transport dive gear.  I'm sure a dive knife in carry on luggage will cause
major headaches.  What about Regs & Computers?  I think I would still like
to carry these items on.  Is it possible?

John Lange
chilly - 03 Jul 2004 04:12 GMT
> It has been 5 years since I flew to a dive site.  At that time we packed our
> Regs, Computers, etc (including knives) in our carry on bag and except for
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> major headaches.  What about Regs & Computers?  I think I would still like
> to carry these items on.  Is it possible?

By the way, have a great time.  You shouldn't have any problems carrying
dive gear into Coz.
chilly - 03 Jul 2004 04:12 GMT
> It has been 5 years since I flew to a dive site.  At that time we packed our
> Regs, Computers, etc (including knives) in our carry on bag and except for
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> major headaches.  What about Regs & Computers?  I think I would still like
> to carry these items on.  Is it possible?

My knife goes in my checked bags and my Regs & Comp still go into my carry
on.  At least on the way there, that is.
On the return trip, I carry my computer in my carryon and my regs can go
into my checked bag.
Gat'rBait - 03 Jul 2004 04:26 GMT
Cool, Thanks, Now I can go without worry.

JOhn ><>

> > It has been 5 years since I flew to a dive site.  At that time we packed
> our
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> On the return trip, I carry my computer in my carryon and my regs can go
> into my checked bag.
nospam@all.please.net - 03 Jul 2004 14:59 GMT

> We are planning a trip to Coz this fall and am wondering the proper way to
> transport dive gear.  I'm sure a dive knife in carry on luggage will cause
> major headaches.  What about Regs & Computers?  I think I would still like
> to carry these items on.  Is it possible?

Yes.

I pack it all in a regular suitcase.  Someone wandered off with one of my
bags (not the gear) on one occasion, but all was sorted out before we
left the airport.
Robert \ - 03 Jul 2004 15:28 GMT
> > We are planning a trip to Coz this fall and am wondering the proper way to
> > transport dive gear.  I'm sure a dive knife in carry on luggage will cause
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> bags (not the gear) on one occasion, but all was sorted out before we
> left the airport.

Well said.

The airline related theft of SCUBA gear is all but non existant. Why? Did
you ever try to sell a piece of SCUBA gear after you walked out into the
daylight from your LDS? (local dive shop) Most pawn shops and NO "Play it
Again" Sports franchise will touch the stuff. (Either liability or lack of
market)

Checked baggage? Cameras and some sexual appliances may be at risk.

I would advise to continue checking vibrators in your luggage, but remove
the batteries. The unintentional vibrating can cause quite a tingle with the
TSA.

Cameras? Carry them on, along with your dive computer- but skip the hard
sided plastic Pellican case. These cases are designed for checked baggage,
and if you check them, put them inside of a duffel bag (like a US Military
surplus 'aircrew bag'). Use a soft padded camera bag.

When you carry a Pellican case on board the cabin of an aircraft, a
traveller confirms that he is a fool and posuer.

They are clunky, clumsy, overkill, not needed and a waste of carry-on weight
limit capacity. Most view them as a sexual appliance (see above) as in: "Hey
ladies, I drive a Vette, too"

Doc.
Rosalie B. - 03 Jul 2004 16:55 GMT
"Robert \"Doc\" Adelman, C.I.D." <lawyers-guns-money@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

>> > We are planning a trip to Coz this fall and am wondering the proper way
>to
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>Again" Sports franchise will touch the stuff. (Either liability or lack of
>market)

A presenter at a respirator course I was taking had his SCBAs (self
contained breathing apparatus - not SCUBA because not for underwater,
but somewhat the same kind of thing) stolen out of his rental car when
he was at the hotel near where the course was being given.  The SCBAs
were all in nice looking cases and I'm guessing that the guy that
stole them thought he was getting something good.  I totally don't
know where in the world one would fence a hot SCBA.  About the only
people that use them on a regular basis are fire departments, HAZ MAT
folks, and sometimes construction crews.  Hey pssst Mr Volunteer
fireman - I'll sell you this SCBA cheap.

I used to live in a known drug area, and one day when I was coming
home with sampling equipment (all in nice aluminum cases) one of the
drug dealers sitting on the fence outside my building with his cell
phone and his beeper asked me "Hey do you want to take my picture?"
It took me a minute or so, but I realized that he though I had cameras
in the cases.  I didn't want some crazed druggie breaking into my
apartment thinking I had a lot of expensive camera equipment, so I
stopped and unpacked everything and showed it to them.  I probably
told them more than they wanted to know about Gilliam pumps <g>

>Checked baggage? Cameras and some sexual appliances may be at risk.
>
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>and if you check them, put them inside of a duffel bag (like a US Military
>surplus 'aircrew bag'). Use a soft padded camera bag.

I often put my regular PC computer (not my dive computer which I also
carry on with me) in a regular bag (it says Navy Exchange on it and is
a leather type brief case but is padded) and then  I sometimes pack my
dirty underwear in the identifiable computer bag.  I carry all the
camera equipment in a waist bag.  I try to have as non-descript
checked luggage as possible.

>When you carry a Pellican case on board the cabin of an aircraft, a
>traveller confirms that he is a fool and posuer.

The only pelican case I have is for my pocketmail, so that it won't be
water damaged if I drop it overboard (from my boat).  I don't see why
a Pelican case would be needed for dive gear.  After all that's
supposed to be able to get wet.

>They are clunky, clumsy, overkill, not needed and a waste of carry-on weight
>limit capacity. Most view them as a sexual appliance (see above) as in: "Hey
>ladies, I drive a Vette, too"

grandma Rosalie
chilly - 03 Jul 2004 18:49 GMT
"> <nospam@all.please.net> wrote in message
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> >
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> > bags (not the gear) on one occasion, but all was sorted out before we
> > left the airport.

I mark my luggage with large bows of red string on the handle and some
Canadian Flag stickers.  If anyone walks off with my bag, it's on purpose
and not a mistake.
nospam@all.please.net - 03 Jul 2004 22:26 GMT
> "> <nospam@all.please.net> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2004.07.03.13.59.24.436412@all.please.net...
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> Canadian Flag stickers.  If anyone walks off with my bag, it's on purpose
> and not a mistake.

I do something similar, but this guy (and crew) were pretty lit. Our bags
weren't even the same color!
chilly - 03 Jul 2004 23:52 GMT
> I mark my luggage with large bows of red string on the handle and some
> Canadian Flag stickers.  If anyone walks off with my bag, it's on purpose
> and not a mistake.

I should add that it makes it quite easy to identify my own bags as they
come down the carousel.
Rosalie B. - 04 Jul 2004 00:48 GMT
>> I mark my luggage with large bows of red string on the handle and some
>> Canadian Flag stickers.  If anyone walks off with my bag, it's on purpose
>> and not a mistake.
>
>I should add that it makes it quite easy to identify my own bags as they
>come down the carousel.

My mom started marking our bags in 1950 - at that time she did it with
freezer tape, which is still on there.  I don't know if they even sell
freezer tape anymore.  These were Samsonite bags (hard side) and she
put blue and white tape around the perimeter and a large initial on
the top.  

grandma Rosalie
chilly - 04 Jul 2004 08:15 GMT
> >> I mark my luggage with large bows of red string on the handle and some
> >> Canadian Flag stickers.  If anyone walks off with my bag, it's on purpose
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> freezer tape, which is still on there.  I don't know if they even sell
> freezer tape anymore.

You probably don't have to worry about anyone trying to take off with those
bags anymore, freezer tape or no freezer tape.

hee hee

My last trip, someone stripped off one of my markers . . . it said "Canadian
girls kick a.s".

;^)

>  These were Samsonite bags (hard side) and she
> put blue and white tape around the perimeter and a large initial on
> the top.
>
> grandma Rosalie
Adam Helberg - 03 Jul 2004 18:11 GMT
> It has been 5 years since I flew to a dive site.  At that time we packed our
> Regs, Computers, etc (including knives) in our carry on bag and except for
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>
> John Lange

Dive knife in carry on will cause no headaches. It will be taken from you. The reg
and computer can go either way.

Adam
Dillon Pyron - 08 Jul 2004 05:29 GMT
>> It has been 5 years since I flew to a dive site.  At that time we packed our
>> Regs, Computers, etc (including knives) in our carry on bag and except for
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>
>Adam

TSA has now taken a "no bullshit" approach and will do it's best to
ruin your day.  At the very least, they will hold you for a while.  At
worst, you have probably committed a felony, at least in their feeble
little "brains".
Signature

dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.

Adam Helberg - 08 Jul 2004 07:35 GMT
> >> It has been 5 years since I flew to a dive site.  At that time we packed our
> >> Regs, Computers, etc (including knives) in our carry on bag and except for
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> worst, you have probably committed a felony, at least in their feeble
> little "brains".

Maybe so with a large knife. I've had several small Swiss Army knives taken from me
when I forgot to remove them from my carryon.

Adam
H. Huntzinger - 09 Jul 2004 12:33 GMT
> > >Dive knife in carry on will cause no headaches. It will be taken from you.

> > TSA has now taken a "no bullshit" approach and will do it's best to
> > ruin your day.  At the very least, they will hold you for a while.  At
> > worst, you have probably committed a felony, at least in their feeble
> > little "brains".

> Maybe so with a large knife. I've had several small Swiss Army
> knives taken from me when I forgot to remove them from my carryon.

I've lost small pocketknives and cuticle scissors.    No riot act, but
I'd not assume the same for a "REAL" knife like a dive knife.  Put the
knife (any size) in checked baggage if you want to keep it.

FWIW, I've also seen people lose bicycle tire repair kit tools...the
ones with no wrench or tire iron more than 5" long.  The general rule of
thumb is that if they're not positive that its on the approved item
list, it gets confiscated.  Wouldn't be so bad, but you'll inevitably
run into an operation who's not up on the current TSA guidelines: it
seems that it only took a full year for Valiparazo Airport (VPS) to
finally receive the TSA shoe memo that it only applies to >1" heels.

-hh
rwjg40 - 12 Jul 2004 22:24 GMT
> FWIW, I've also seen people lose bicycle tire repair kit tools...the
> ones with no wrench or tire iron more than 5" long.  The general rule of
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> seems that it only took a full year for Valiparazo Airport (VPS) to
> finally receive the TSA shoe memo that it only applies to >1" heels.

Last May when I was returning home from Cozumel, the Coz gatekeepers
confiscated from my carry on the ropes and marine carabiner type rope
clips that I use to hang my hammock.  Also, in the hand inspection of my
checked luggage, they made me remove the batteries from all 6 of our
dive lights.

Gordon in Austin
Joe English - 13 Jul 2004 00:50 GMT
>>FWIW, I've also seen people lose bicycle tire repair kit tools...the
>>ones with no wrench or tire iron more than 5" long.  The general rule of
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>
> Gordon in Austin

Yes the had me do the same to my dive lights
chilly - 13 Jul 2004 03:25 GMT
> Last May when I was returning home from Cozumel, the Coz gatekeepers
> confiscated from my carry on the ropes and marine carabiner type rope
> clips that I use to hang my hammock.  Also, in the hand inspection of my
> checked luggage, they made me remove the batteries from all 6 of our
> dive lights.

That's too funny.  Seems to me if that's the case then they should stop
people from packing any corded electric appliances, or hair tiebacks, belts
. . .etc.

Hey, I can understand the rope business to a degree but what did they think
you might do with your carabineers?
Dillon Pyron - 13 Jul 2004 04:01 GMT
>> Last May when I was returning home from Cozumel, the Coz gatekeepers
>> confiscated from my carry on the ropes and marine carabiner type rope
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>Hey, I can understand the rope business to a degree but what did they think
>you might do with your carabineers?

Having had a 'biner hit me from 100 feet, they do hurt quite a bit.  I
can't imagine what one would feel like from 35,000 ft.  Of course,
you'd have to be in an airplane with windows that opened or a
convertible (Aloha).

Signature

dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.

rwjg40 - 13 Jul 2004 15:46 GMT
> > Last May when I was returning home from Cozumel, the Coz gatekeepers
> > confiscated from my carry on the ropes and marine carabiner type rope
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Hey, I can understand the rope business to a degree but what did they think
> you might do with your carabineers?

It wasn't the ropes; they offered to let me cut them loose and take
them.  Of course, then I would have needed a knife... ;^)

Gordon in Austin
chilly - 13 Jul 2004 19:02 GMT
> > Hey, I can understand the rope business to a degree but what did they think
> > you might do with your carabineers?
>
> It wasn't the ropes; they offered to let me cut them loose and take
> them.  Of course, then I would have needed a knife... ;^)

Too funny.
Robert \ - 13 Jul 2004 20:54 GMT
the batteries from all 6 of our
> dive lights.

This isn't so much an anti-terror thing as it is an anti-dumbshit passenger
thing.

I have seen three dive bags smouldering as they sat after unloading...
lights having been activated in transit.

My UK1200r will ignite anything within 2" when above water.

Just a general safety thing. We should all do it.

Doc.
Adam Helberg - 15 Jul 2004 06:12 GMT
> the batteries from all 6 of our
> > dive lights.
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>
> Doc.

I've been asked to remove batteries from flashlights, but I reverse polarity on my
batteries so the light cannot be turned on in the suitcase.

Adam
chilly - 15 Jul 2004 10:22 GMT
> > the batteries from all 6 of our
> > > dive lights.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> >
> > Just a general safety thing. We should all do it.

I just don't load my batteries on the way down and dump them out again on my
way home.  It's not just a security thing, it keeps the batteries better
anyway.

Actually, lots of times, I just leave my batteries with the DM's.  A few
places that I go, it's considered more than a decent tip on top of any cash
I might be inclined to leave behind as well..
H. Huntzinger - 15 Jul 2004 11:49 GMT
> I've been asked to remove batteries from flashlights, but I reverse polarity
> on my batteries so the light cannot be turned on in the suitcase.

Instead of reversing polarity, I insert an electrical insulator to block
any flow.

What I use for the insulator is a small piece of a 3"x5" card.

It comes from my dive logbook...I use spiral-bound booklets of 3"x5"
cards as my logbooks (a buck each at an office supply store).  The last
card (page) often serves as a source of miscellaneous paper for tagging
things, such as if I need a label to drop into a canister of exposed
film, etc.  So long as I have a page left, I have multiple spares :-)

I've also tried using plain old paper, but with the transportation
vibrations, you can rub a hole through a single layer pretty easily.
Fold it up a couple of times to thicken it up...at least 4 layers or
so...to make sure that it will be a good electrical insulator that won't
wear through before the flight's over.  Also make sure that its dry.

-hh
Adam Helberg - 15 Jul 2004 17:23 GMT
> > I've been asked to remove batteries from flashlights, but I reverse polarity
> > on my batteries so the light cannot be turned on in the suitcase.
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>
> -hh

That's also a good idea. Unfortunately you still may be asked to remove the
batteries.

Adam
Adam Helberg - 15 Jul 2004 06:11 GMT
> > FWIW, I've also seen people lose bicycle tire repair kit tools...the
> > ones with no wrench or tire iron more than 5" long.  The general rule of
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Gordon in Austin

I've also been asked to remove batteries from flashlights.
Salty - 10 Jul 2004 07:04 GMT
> It has been 5 years since I flew to a dive site.  At that time we packed our
> Regs, Computers, etc (including knives) in our carry on bag and except for
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> to carry these items on.  Is it possible?
> John Lange

I take my reg/computer in my carry on there and usually, but not
always, in my carry on back home.  However, it's been probably close
to 15 yrs since I've carried a dive knife on a vacation. (Antigua was
the last time and I carried it on my check on luggage.  The inspector
saw it in my gear and didn't say a word.)  The underwater parks and
many other locations  (including some local quarries) don't allow you
to carry a dive knife anymore.... and I can't say that I've wished I
had one during the past years when I wasn't carrying a dive knife. I'm
curious as to where you're going on vactaion.
scubaran - 15 Jul 2004 01:34 GMT
> > It has been 5 years since I flew to a dive site.  At that time we packed our
> > Regs, Computers, etc (including knives) in our carry on bag and except for
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> had one during the past years when I wasn't carrying a dive knife. I'm
> curious as to where you're going on vactaion.

Hi,

I travel with my scuba equipment both U.S. and abroad and what I do is pack
my
dive knife in my checked bag, and carry my reg, and dive computer in my
carry-on.
One thing I do is as I pass my bag into the x-ray machine, I smile nicely to
the x-ray
operators and say, "by the way, it's scuba gear" (there's no law against
talking to the
operators while they're looking at your bag).  They usually reply with a
friendly
OK and generally let it through without a hassle.  Sometimes they hand check
it but
it's usually low key since they've been nicely "forewarned" what's in the
bag.  I live in
an area where there aren't a lot of scuba divers and it's funny to see the
expression
on the x-ray operator's face trying to figure out what all those hoses and
stuff are if
I don't tell them beforehand that I'm carrying scuba gear (when returning
from places
like Florida they usually recognize what's in the bag due to the number of
scuba travelers
(though the last time they verified with me up front that there wasn't a
dive knife in
my carry-on, seems that some divers DO try to carry them with them)).

thanks,
Randy
Chris Guynn - 15 Jul 2004 16:20 GMT
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> I travel with my scuba equipment both U.S. and abroad and what I do is pack
> my
> dive knife in my checked bag, and carry my reg, and dive computer in my
> carry-on.

I do pretty much teh same thing.

> One thing I do is as I pass my bag into the x-ray machine, I smile nicely to
> the x-ray
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> it's usually low key since they've been nicely "forewarned" what's in the
> bag.

I had my bag checked in Miami on my way to Jamaica.  Interestingly, they
didn't care a lick about the scuba gear (which they probably recognized),
but were more worried about the aluminum stays in my backpack (I have an
internal frame daypack I travel with).  They pulled one out, checked it, saw
it wasn't sharp and really posed no danger (they're very soft so they
probably wouldn't even hurt that much if you hit someone with them) and let
me go about my business.
BB - 16 Jul 2004 22:54 GMT
I check-in everything in the giant backpack.
 
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