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Travelling w/ a dive knife.
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Michael (Mike) Digby - 30 Jul 2003 12:41 GMT Any problems w/ international travelling w/ a dive knife, if it's in my checked in luggage? I assume carrying it in my shoe ( thats a joke NSA/TSA) is out. Recommendations, experiences appreciated? Thanks Mike D
Joe English - 30 Jul 2003 12:58 GMT Michael (Mike) Digby wrote:
> Any problems w/ international travelling w/ a dive knife, if it's in my checked in luggage? > I assume carrying it in my shoe ( thats a joke NSA/TSA) is out. > Recommendations, experiences appreciated? > Thanks Mike D Put it in your checked luggage
jer - 30 Jul 2003 13:16 GMT Michael (Mike) Digby wrote:
> Any problems w/ international travelling w/ a dive knife, if it's in my checked in luggage? > I assume carrying it in my shoe ( thats a joke NSA/TSA) is out. > Recommendations, experiences appreciated? > Thanks Mike D I travel interntaionally with a dive knife in my checked bag all the time, no problemo.
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Roger Christopher - 30 Jul 2003 14:04 GMT I do it all the time. Simply check in your luggage.
> Any problems w/ international travelling w/ a dive knife, if it's in my checked in luggage? > I assume carrying it in my shoe ( thats a joke NSA/TSA) is out. > Recommendations, experiences appreciated? > Thanks Mike D Robert \"Doc\" Adelman - 30 Jul 2003 14:35 GMT "Michael (Mike) Digby" wrote another novel puzzler:
> Any problems w/ international travelling w/ a dive knife, if it's in my checked in luggage? There is an carry-on exception for "tools (including cutting instruments, pry bars and kitchen related equipment) that are used primarily in the pursuit of sport (as defined as/by having a National Governing Body". (TSA# 2002-345-a)
Therein lies the problem. Golf has the PGA so you can carry a Mashie Niblick. Skiing has the USSA so ski poles are fine. There is the National Rifle Association, so anything that will fit in the overhead compartment is okydoke.
In that SCUBA has no "National Governing Body" other than P.A.D.I., and they have issued no clear cut guidelines, I'm afraid you're going to have to secrete the dive knife "within your person" if you catch my drift. Just be careful and go with the blunt tip types.
> I assume carrying it in my shoe ( thats a joke NSA/TSA) is out. My greatest disappointment was that a female has not attempted to carry-on a restricted device in her panties.
Then, if current standards were applicable, we would know that no female passenger would be wearing any.
> Recommendations, experiences appreciated? > Thanks Mike D On new, novel, and never before heard puzzlers such as you pose, it would be uselesss to click on http://groups.google.com/ and search with key words such as "scuba knife airline".
Otherwise, just use your noggin.
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de Valois - 30 Jul 2003 15:59 GMT Robert left this mess on Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:35:22 GMT for The Way to clean up:
>"Michael (Mike) Digby" wrote another novel puzzler: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Then, if current standards were applicable, we would know that no female >passenger would be wearing any. Some women's panties ARE restricted devices...
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Greg Conquest - 09 Aug 2003 15:14 GMT >There is an carry-on exception for "tools (including cutting >instruments, pry bars and kitchen related equipment) that are used >primarily in the pursuit of sport (as defined as/by having a National >Governing Body". (TSA# 2002-345-a) Are you always this full of sh.t? We should create rec.scuba.diarrhea as a newsgroup to catch this constant stream of lame attempts at wit demonstration.
On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but gloves?
Greg Conquest
>Therein lies the problem. Golf has the PGA so you can carry a Mashie >Niblick. Skiing has the USSA so ski poles are fine. There is the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Otherwise, just use your noggin. ------ Greg Conquest ------ http://gregconquest.com ---- my other sites --- http://japanstudent.com http://shonanguide.com http://sekaishopping.com
de Valois - 09 Aug 2003 17:17 GMT Greg Conquest left this mess on Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:14:46 +0900 for The Way to clean up:
>>There is an carry-on exception for "tools (including cutting >>instruments, pry bars and kitchen related equipment) that are used [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >as a newsgroup to catch this constant stream of lame attempts at wit >demonstration. Actually, Doc is right, unfortunately scuba lacks this governing body.
In other words, you can carry-on a bow and arrow *if* you are a recognized competitive archer, but a dive knife? No.
So what was that about diarrhea? Did you want to start the group off?
>On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can >imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but >gloves? Reef damage. People grab things. Without gloves, they don't grab reefs.
Tao te Carl
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H. Huntzinger - 10 Aug 2003 10:17 GMT > Greg Conquest left this mess on Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:14:46 +0900 for The Way to > clean up:
> >On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can > >imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but > >gloves? > > Reef damage. People grab things. Without gloves, they don't grab reefs. More accurately, lowest common denominator damage. Stupid people grab things that will damage both themselves and the things.
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Greg Conquest - 10 Aug 2003 15:55 GMT >Greg Conquest left this mess on Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:14:46 +0900 for The Way to >clean up: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >In other words, you can carry-on a bow and arrow *if* you are a recognized >competitive archer, but a dive knife? No. So, if I am an Al Qaida terrorist, and I want to carry weapons on the plane, all I need do is join an appropriate organization? Cutlery school, an archery association, the NRA ??? It's frankly unbelievable that being a member of any of these organizations would enable one to carry weapons on a commercial fight -- and unbelievable that such a loophole would be revealed in rec.scuba.
Greg Conquest
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Greg Mossman - 09 Aug 2003 17:39 GMT > Are you always this full of sh.t? We should create rec.scuba.diarrhea > as a newsgroup to catch this constant stream of lame attempts at wit > demonstration. Or better yet, rec.scuba.travellingwithadiveknife to catch the constant stream of the same question asked week after week after week.
> On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can > imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but > gloves? A few areas ban them. The marine park in Cozumel is one example. Or a voluntary association such as that "governing" Grand Cayman operators may prohibit them. When I dove with Ocean Frontiers last month, I was told I couldn't wear my gloves because "it was a law".
The reason, supposedly, is that divers will be more afraid to touch coral and other marine life without gloves. Apparently they feel that a bunch of newbies who would otherwise be hanging onto coral, will suddenly develop good buoyancy control by banning gloves and they'll never touch anything with bare hands, let alone kick the coral with their fins. It's the fins they should really ban, but that probably won't take effect for another couple years.
de Valois - 09 Aug 2003 20:59 GMT Greg Mossman left this mess on Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:39:00 -0700 for The Way to clean up:
>> Are you always this full of sh.t? We should create rec.scuba.diarrhea >> as a newsgroup to catch this constant stream of lame attempts at wit [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >they should really ban, but that probably won't take effect for another >couple years. Negative reinforcement, Greg. You touch coral, you cut your hands, you stop touching coral. Ya would think there would be a better system...
Tao te Carl
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Greg Conquest - 10 Aug 2003 16:01 GMT >> On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can >> imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >they should really ban, but that probably won't take effect for another >couple years. Sounds overboard and likely to be ditched and forgotten as ineffective, but I'm only guessing. Gives me something to ask before I make my next booking.
Greg Conquest, in another humorless posting ;-)
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Pete S. - 10 Aug 2003 20:14 GMT >On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:39:00 -0700, "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> >>The reason, supposedly, is that divers will be more afraid to touch coral [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >ineffective, but I'm only guessing. Gives me something to ask before I >make my next booking. It's actually very effective at stopping people touching things. They have to get bouyancy correct, and can no longer crawl across the bottom.
Pete S.
jer - 10 Aug 2003 19:51 GMT > "Greg Conquest" <http://gregconquest.com> wrote in message
>>On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can >>imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but >>gloves? > > A few areas ban them. The marine park in Cozumel is one example. I wear gloves when diving in Coz and have been for many, many years. In fact, I can't recall ever diving sans gloves anywhere.
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Greg Mossman - 11 Aug 2003 04:16 GMT > I wear gloves when diving in Coz and have been for many, many years. > In fact, I can't recall ever diving sans gloves anywhere. I had heard that the way to get around it in Cozumel, if the dive op insists on glove-less diving, is to claim a skin condition. My last trip to Coz, when Dive Paradise allowed us knives but not gloves, I didn't bother with them on the first dive and nobody said anything to me on subsequent dives when I did wear my gloves probably because they realized I had my buoyancy control in check.
The dive op we used for most of our dives in Grand Cayman last month said nothing about my gloves, but when we showed up at Ocean Frontiers for one day of diving the East End, as soon as I got my gloves out the DM told me it was "against the law" to wear them. I said "bullshit" and he then offered to show me a copy of the "law". I didn't want to cause too much of a disturbance, so I relented. But, due to that order, and a couple other things that bugged me about Rodales Number One Dive Op, my tip was withheld that day.
When we were diving in Tahiti in February, I was surprised that so many of the east coasters didn't even bring gloves. They were so used to telling their students not to wear gloves that they had also abandoned them. It's a lot different on the west coast, where one of the few times I've dove gloveless I got a lash of a jellyfish tentacle across my hand that took several months to fully heal (after I thought it had gone away in a few weeks, it reappeared during a trip to the tropics). The few non-east-coasters on the trip were very happy we brought gloves since the Tahiti diving involved a lot of intentional coral crawling in the 6-knot passes. My gloves got very dirty. The gloveless got very bloody.
nospam - 09 Aug 2003 19:40 GMT In article <fju9jvoe0iamu3mf0uqc082548ntne5ejc@4ax.com>, Greg Conquest
> On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can > imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but > gloves? You are less likely to touch things that can sting you.
@ndre@ - 30 Jul 2003 15:33 GMT "Michael (Mike) Digby " <mdigby@cloghane.btv.ibm.com> ha scritto nel messaggio news:vw9brvc5jin.fsf@cloghane.btv.ibm.com...
> Any problems w/ international travelling w/ a dive knife, if it's in my checked in luggage? > I assume carrying it in my shoe ( thats a joke NSA/TSA) is out. > Recommendations, experiences appreciated? > Thanks Mike D In your checked luggage you can even put a sword and no one will complain about that.
andrea
Greg Mossman - 30 Jul 2003 17:56 GMT > In your checked luggage you can even put a sword and no one will complain > about that. But if it's a light saber, take the batteries out.
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