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Flordia Diving For a New Diver

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Doug Schaible - 18 Jan 2004 21:22 GMT
Hello everyone,

My father and I finshed our PADI scuba diver class a few weeks ago, and are
looking for a place to take a small vacation and take our open water
certification.  We were thinking the last part of Feburary or the first part
of March.  We were thinking about going to the Keys.  What does anyone think
about this idea?  I know that the Caribbean has a lot of nice places, but
for my first dives I think that would be a waste.

Thanks,
Doug
Greater Pride - 18 Jan 2004 21:54 GMT
I can recommend amy slate's in key largo. They will really look after
you and make sure you get some good dives.

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> Thanks,
> Doug
Ron T - 18 Jan 2004 21:55 GMT
Your in the neighborhood, but I would stay in the Ft. Lauderrdale,
Boynton area. The diving is better IMHO and everything else is a little
bit cheaper. If your going to be a few days, you can still go to Key
Largo for a day and do the Speigel Grove.

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> Doug
Daniel Kessler - 19 Jan 2004 01:49 GMT
No, I don't like that idea.  Start off with the best, Little Cayman.  I mean,
Little Cayman isn't the GBR or one of those incredible world destination sites
and doing your open water check-out dive in the Red Sea would be wrong too.  But
Little Cayman would give you a frisson of excitement that would be very
satisfying.

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> Doug
Lee Bell - 19 Jan 2004 02:07 GMT
> My father and I finshed our PADI scuba diver class a few weeks ago, and are
> looking for a place to take a small vacation and take our open water
> certification.  We were thinking the last part of Feburary or the first part
> of March.  We were thinking about going to the Keys.  What does anyone think
> about this idea?  I know that the Caribbean has a lot of nice places, but
> for my first dives I think that would be a waste.

Congratulations.  Welcome to diving.

There are quite a few good operators in the Keys.  Pretty much all of them
take referals which is what I suggest for you.  Take your classroom and
confined water training at home and do your checkout dives down here.

Lee
Steve - 19 Jan 2004 03:58 GMT
> I know that the Caribbean has a lot of nice places, but
> for my first dives I think that would be a waste.

Those nice places in the Carribean are never a waste. How short is the vacation going
to be, and where do you need to travel from? If Fort Lauderdale or the Keys are
within a day's drive, they're a simple and inexpensive option. If you have to fly
getting to the islands may not cost much more, though the other costs will probably
be higher. If you can stay for a few days, you can do an afternoon dive or two the
same day you finish your checkout dives, and  do 2 to 4 dives on the days after that
(only 2 morning dives the day before flying home, of course).

If you go to the islands the water should be warm enough that you won't *need*
wetsuits, though you may want some thermal protection. A polartec suit will probably
be enough without affecting your buoyancy the way a wetsuit will. If you go to
Florida you'll need more thermal protection, which means enough neoprene to make
buoyancy control more of an issue. As brand new divers there's a lot to be said for
getting in a few dives without wetsuits first, which is another reason the Caribbean
wouldn't be a waste.

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Doug Schaible - 19 Jan 2004 05:39 GMT
Thanks for all the responses.  For those of you were wondering I live in
Kansas City.  I just checked rates to Grand Cayman and it was in the $800
round trip range.  I picked Thursday Feb. 26 and returned on Tuesday March
2.

I noticed at Expedia that for most of the flights I would be switching
airlines a couple of times, or have multiple layovers (one had me first fly
to New York - I just got snowed inn there ... don't need to go back for a
while)  What would you suggest for flights?  Should I take a Southwest
flight to Florida and then take Cayman Airlines the rest of the way?   I
would prefer to take one airline the whole way, but that does not look like
it is going to happen.  Maybe I will call AAA tomorrow and see if they can
find a flight that is direct .....  Make them work for some of the money
that I pay them.

Thanks,
Doug

BTW at Expedia I picked "Georgetown, Grand Cayman Island, Cayman Islands
(GCM-Owen Roberts)" is that right?

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Lee Bell - 19 Jan 2004 13:25 GMT
> BTW at Expedia I picked "Georgetown, Grand Cayman Island, Cayman
> Islands (GCM-Owen Roberts)" is that right?

Yes.  American used to fly there.  I'm not sure who does these days.

Lee
H. Huntzinger - 19 Jan 2004 15:14 GMT
> Thanks for all the responses.  For those of you were wondering I live in
> Kansas City.  I just checked rates to Grand Cayman and it was in the $800
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> BTW at Expedia I picked "Georgetown, Grand Cayman Island, Cayman Islands
> (GCM-Owen Roberts)" is that right?

Your best bet for a "single airline" is Continental through Houston.

Try MCI-HOU-GCM.  Be watchful on your return legs that you don't end up
having an overnight in Houston.

Your lower cost flights will probably go through Miami. Try MCI-MIA-GCM.  
Also, don't neglect Tampa and Orlando as other "gateways", with your
airline crossing over to Cayman Airways.

For Little Cayman (LYB) & Cayman Brac (CYB), only Cayman Airways and
Island Air fly there.  Figure an extra $150 from Grand Cayman, but that
you can quickly recoupe that on lower Hotel costs.

-hh
Lee Bell - 20 Jan 2004 03:19 GMT
FWIW, I think Island Air flys out of Ft. Lauderdale.  You might check to see
if they have a direct flight to Little Cayman or the Brac.

Lee

>> Thanks for all the responses.  For those of you were wondering I
>> live in Kansas City.  I just checked rates to Grand Cayman and it
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de Valois - 19 Jan 2004 13:18 GMT
Doug Schaible left this mess on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:22:55 GMT for The Way to
clean up:

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>about this idea?  I know that the Caribbean has a lot of nice places, but
>for my first dives I think that would be a waste.

It wouldn't be a waste, Doug. There's plenty to see in just about any location
(maybe the South Pacific) that is within easy reach of even your BOW
certification.

However, since you brought up the Keys, may I recommend staying near Key Largo,
because that seems to be where the more popular dive sites are, such as
Pennekamp Park, Pickles and French Reefs and so on?

Tao te Carl
"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

(Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-a.s question
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FiveKeysFan - 19 Jan 2004 20:46 GMT
Doug,

Suggest that you first check with a dive operator in the Keys or the Fort
lauderdale area with regard to the best time to come down to insure that high
seas don't curtail your continued training.

In the Pampano Beach/Fort Lauderdale area contact either  Captain Gary Chubeck
of Scubatyme  954 786 0909  or Damian Gazdak of Scuba Referrals 954 781-6666.

In Key Largo I would suggest you contact Quiescence, a top notch operator, 305
451-2440
biersf@optonline.net - 20 Jan 2004 01:02 GMT
i think its a good idea , open water in the keys. i did that in 1990 and
it worked out well. most of the diving in key largo is 30-50' , just
right for open water. of course that are other dives (wreck dives that
are deeper), but the object is to get certified!. I was pretty nervous
diving in  the ocean for the
first time (30-50') seemed deep then:)
Good luck/
Fred

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Doug Schaible - 20 Jan 2004 02:36 GMT
Any one recommend a place in the Caymans?  I looked at some Flordia websites
and I would like somewhere that I will not be worried about the temperature.
(My mom had to remind me of the time we rented a house in Flordia and then I
think Flordia set a reccord for the coldest week in March.  I think that
they even had frost one night)

No chance of cold there ----- right????

Thanks,
Doug
Steve - 21 Jan 2004 01:12 GMT
> Any one recommend a place in the Caymans?  I looked at some Flordia websites
> and I would like somewhere that I will not be worried about the temperature.
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> No chance of cold there ----- right????

They might get weather that somebody from Florida would think is cold, but certainly
not what I'd consider cold. If the weather is unusually cold you may want a sweater
in the evening, but even if it's cool and rainy during the day the water will stay
warm (figure 78 is about a slow as it commonly gets). Even if it's 85 the breeze may
make you feel chilly during the surface interval, so bring something a bit warm and a
windshell.

As for places to stay, it depends on what you're looking for. The north and east are
quiet and laid back, while the west end is where most of the tourists and development
are. The diving is generally easier on the west end, while the north and east have
better diving but rougher seas. Cobalt Coast, located on the northwest corner is a
nice place that will be close to the hustle and bustle of the west end and
Georgetown, but farther north than the  heavy development, so it's calm and peaceful.
Dive tech, the in-house op, has a very good reputation, and if you're comfortable
with the idea of some shore diving after you get the card, they have two good
locations, one of which would be right outside your dooor.

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Anthony - 21 Jan 2004 15:15 GMT
> Any one recommend a place in the Caymans?  I looked at some Flordia websites
> and I would like somewhere that I will not be worried about the temperature.

I think your decision is a good one, I much prefer the Cayman diving to that
found in Florida, it'll be warm and you're out of hurricane season.

As you are new to diving, I'd think west and possibly north, rather than
east would be the place to go assuming Grand Cayman.  Suggested dive ops are
Red Baron, (Nick Buckley and Patrick Weir), or Off the Wall Divers, (Danny
Kupkowski), both of which run small boats, are excellent divers and will
work to make sure both that your skills are good and that you enjoy
yourselves.  Suggested dive op to *avoid*, is Red Sail, the quintessential
cattle boat op.

In deciding where to stay the first decision is condo or hotel.  Condo gives
you more space for the same $$ and you don't have to eat out all the time.
Hotel gives you hotel services.  There are lots of both on the island,
hotels go from the quite cheap, eg Seaview at about $100 a night, but a real
dump, to the Westin, IMO much the nicest hotel on the island.  For condos,
at the cheaper end consider Indies Suites, Sunshine Suites, neither of which
is on the beach, or Comfort Suites.  If price is not such a consideration, I
like the Christopher Columbus which is on 7MB.  If you go Christopher
Columbus I'd ask for ocean front, upstairs, in the building on the left as
you face the sea.  (unit 22 is my favorite).

Water temps should be high 70's.  I wear a full 3mm in this, but I tend to
be cold.

Have fun; hard not to there.
GatorBait - 27 Jan 2004 01:38 GMT
http://www.deeper-dci.com/

Check out these guys in Boynton Beach.  I did my check out dives with them.
Nice easy drift dives with good marinelife.  We saw Turtles, eels, angels,
parrotfish etc, etc, etc.

Wonderful ship & crew for beginners and advanced alike.  We used a PADI
school in Orlando, but you can probably get them to recommend someone close
by.  Make sure you ask the motel desk for "DIVERS DISCOUNTS" the Holiday Inn
in West Palm we stayed at gave great discounts for divers.

JOhn ><>

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> Doug
Lee Bell - 27 Jan 2004 02:30 GMT
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I thnk he's decided to do Cayman instead.  Either would have been a good
choice.

Since you mentioned the site, I'll add my endorsement to yours.  Leo Sand,
the owner and one of the captains of the Deeper fleet is an excellent
captain who knows diving and the Boynton reefs about as well as anybody.
Lynn Simmons, who I have mentioned in several posts, is also excellent.

Lee

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