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Head trauma killed woman in Fla. stingray collision

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Jer - 22 Mar 2008 14:33 GMT
Wow!!  Who wooda thunkit!  You just can't make this stuff up.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-03-20-stingray-death_N.htm

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Dillon Pyron - 23 Mar 2008 19:09 GMT
[Default] Thus spake Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten>:

>Wow!!  Who wooda thunkit!  You just can't make this stuff up.
>
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-03-20-stingray-death_N.htm

Saw this yesteday in Yahoo.  They say "stingray", but it was a spotted
eagle ray.
Jer - 24 Mar 2008 01:43 GMT
> [Default] Thus spake Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten>:
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> Saw this yesteday in Yahoo.  They say "stingray", but it was a spotted
> eagle ray.

I suppose for some people they're the same thing, and big enough to kill
you so it must be feared. <shrug>

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George Cathcart - 24 Mar 2008 13:39 GMT
> > [Default] Thus spake Jer <gd...@airmail.ten>:
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> jer
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Indeed, spotted eagle rays are stingrays, just one of the many species
of stingrays, which also includes southern rays, bullnose rays,
roughtail rays, cownose rays, marbled rays, etc. etc. All have barbs
on their tails that they use to defend themselves from predators,
never for aggression or predation.

There are rays that don't have barbs -- mantas and butterfly rays for
example, but they are rays as opposed to skates, the difference being
that all rays give live birth, while all skates lay eggs. And of
course all skates and rays are elasmobranchs, meaning they have
cartilagenous skeletons. All sharks also are elasmobranchs.

Now the bonus question: What kind of animal is a sawfish?

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Jer - 24 Mar 2008 14:13 GMT
>>> [Default] Thus spake Jer <gd...@airmail.ten>:
>>>> Wow!!  Who wooda thunkit!  You just can't make this stuff up.
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> g

My book it says Pristis pectinatus.  Incredibly cute and one of my best
friends.

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George Cathcart - 24 Mar 2008 16:41 GMT
> >>> [Default] Thus spake Jer <gd...@airmail.ten>:
> >>>> Wow!!  Who wooda thunkit!  You just can't make this stuff up.
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> jer
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Yes, and I wasn't clear enough in my question. I was looking for ray,
skate or shark. I suspect you know the answer to that one, too.

gc
Rosalie B. - 24 Mar 2008 17:16 GMT
>> >>> [Default] Thus spake Jer <gd...@airmail.ten>:
>> >>>> Wow!!  Who wooda thunkit!  You just can't make this stuff up.
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>Yes, and I wasn't clear enough in my question. I was looking for ray,
>skate or shark. I suspect you know the answer to that one, too.

Without looking it up, I'd guess shark.
Greg Mossman - 24 Mar 2008 18:29 GMT
> Without looking it up, I'd guess shark.

I'd have to touch one.  All the sharks I've ever fondled had rough
skin, while all the rays were calf-leather smooth.  I've never fondled
a skate, but I've eaten several.  Pretty good pan-fried in butter with
a squeeze of lemon.
Lee Bell - 24 Mar 2008 18:50 GMT
> Without looking it up, I'd guess shark.

You should have looked it up. While they're related to both, they're closer
to rays.

The best answer to what kind of animal a sawfish is, is "fish."

Lee
George Cathcart - 24 Mar 2008 18:53 GMT
> > Without looking it up, I'd guess shark.
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> Lee

Lee's right. Several elasmobranch experts I know consider them to be
rays, period, but nature is always more complex than that.

gc
Rosalie B. - 24 Mar 2008 19:44 GMT
>> > Without looking it up, I'd guess shark.
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>Lee's right. Several elasmobranch experts I know consider them to be
>rays, period, but nature is always more complex than that.

I knew they were cartilaginous like sharks, but I really guessed shark
based on the fact that you didn't limit it to rays and skates but
added the sharks in there.

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