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Veem - 04 Nov 2006 17:32 GMT We are thinking Yap and Palau. Has anyone been? Best dive operators? Best hotel? Is the only way to get there on Continental via Hawaii, Guam? Any suggestions?
Dan Bracuk - 05 Nov 2006 13:48 GMT "Veem" <ginmill01@cox.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:We are thinking Yap and Palau. :Has anyone been? :Best dive operators? :Best hotel? :Is the only way to get there on Continental via Hawaii, Guam? :Any suggestions? I've been to Palau twice, Yap never. Neither trip was recent.
The first trip, we stayed in a hotel and dove with Fish and Fins. They were good. When you stay on land, you are faced with long boat rides to get to the dive sites. By long, I mean one or two hours depending on where you go.
The second time we stayed on a liveaboard. Were I to go back, I'd take the liveaboard route again.
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Rocky Grove - 06 Nov 2006 00:05 GMT > "Veem" <ginmill01@cox.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: >:We are thinking Yap and Palau. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The second time we stayed on a liveaboard. Were I to go back, I'd > take the liveaboard route again. I agree with Dan, liveaboard is the best options to save long boat rides. I was on the Agressor in August this year. had a good time.
You can fly Continental or another airline which flies via Dacos both both from Manila in the Philippines
Rocky
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Pat Payne - 09 Nov 2006 21:25 GMT What is the Agressor like? Does it have nice room with private bath? Do you dive from the dive deck or from zodiacs? How's the food etc.? Thanks Pat
Greg Mossman - 10 Nov 2006 02:22 GMT > What is the Agressor like? Does it have nice room with private bath? Do > you dive from the dive deck or from zodiacs? How's the food etc.? > Thanks Pat Yes on the nice room/private bath, but small. It's not exactly a zodiac. Aggressor food is routinely good and plentiful, and since it's included in the price (along with beer/wine), it's certainly cheaper than land dining. See for yourself: http://www.aggressor.com/subpage11.php
MetriRN@gmail.com - 10 Nov 2006 18:36 GMT One additonal liveaboard option is the SS Thorfinn, which operates out of Chuuk (Truk). Once or twice a year they do a "Pan Micronesian" trip which goes from Chuuk to Yap and Palau and islands in between. It would be a FANTASTIC trip. (I've only dived with them in Chuuk, however). The Thorfinn is a great dive op and a nice stable boat (it's 170 feet long!).
> > "Veem" <ginmill01@cox.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: > >:We are thinking Yap and Palau. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Rocky@mercia.demon.co.uk Phone 01926 312342 > (fax 08700560296) Greg Mossman - 06 Nov 2006 19:16 GMT > We are thinking Yap and Palau. Good.
> Has anyone been? Of course.
> Best dive operators? I like Yap Divers out of the Manta Ray Bay Hotel. Why? Because they were the first and because they run right off the hotel dock, which means you walk from your room to the gear storage room to the boat, a total of 50 feet or so. The dive shop wall has a mural of all the identified mantas captioned with the names given to each one.
As for Palau, you have a choice of three or so land based operations (Sam's, NECO, and Fish&Fins) and a few liveaboards (Aggressor, Ocean Hunter I & II, and I think a Japanese boat as well if they're still running). Sam's is the most popular and is outfitted for trimix and rebreathers, but the other two are also quality dive ops and might not have the crowds that Sam's attracts. I've found NECO to be more safety conscious, but that was a single observation on a day when our NECO boat driver deemed it too rough to get out of the channel and around to Blue Corner, so we did a lesser dive while watching the Sam's boat successfully navigate the passage. We parked next to Sam's boat during our lunch break and it sounded like the Sam's divers had a better dive.
Still, the next time I go to Palau, I'm doing a liveaboard (probably the Aggressor) to maximize the diving. While there are a number of hotels and restaurants on land and some tame nightlife (guitarists at the PPR pool bar, watching a game at the sportsbar-like Rock Island Cafe), I believe that the ease and availability of liveaboard diving outweigh the land attractions and probably make a better economic decision as well. For photo/videographers, a liveaboard is even more important for having camera tinkering facilities and safe storage in between dives.
> Best hotel? Again, the Manta Ray Bay Hotel. Trader's Ridge is nicer, has a pool and great food, but it's up the hill instead of on the water and that means there is a commute to the dive boat. Sure, it's a quick van ride, but it's a commute nonetheless, and IMO a real PITA in Yap's hot 100% humid air.
The PPR (Palau Pacific Resort) is the luxury hotel on Yap. There are a few motel-like alternatives (Desekel Hotels), and native-style accomodations as well if you like that sort of thing (Carolines), but you can't go wrong with the PPR (just don't use their house dive op, which caters mainly to Japanese divers). They're right on the water, so any of the dive ops can pick you up from the hotel dock if you prearrange it and weather permits (we got nicked by a typhoon when we were there, so weather did not permit and we had to bus it to the dive shop dock each morning - you already know my feelings about having to commute to dive in Micronesia). There's a pool there and they have some incredible, albeit expensive, food. But if you don't mind the cramped cabin and living with the same group of divers for a week, I'd recommend a liveaboard.
> Is the only way to get there on Continental via Hawaii, Guam? Swimming? Continental Micronesia (formerly Air Micronesia) is the only game in town unless/until Palau Air gets off the ground. You can avoid Hawaii by flying into Guam from the west (Japan or Bali) but you can't avoid going through Guam as it's the hub airport.
Once in Yap you can try a hop over to Ulithi for a really remote experience. Then you can use Pacific Missionary Airways instead of Continental, but you still have to take Continental to get to Yap. I haven't done that sidetrip yet, but my local shop has done it twice so I've heard and seen enough to know that it's probably too remote for my tastes.
According to Lonely Planet, there's also some sort of supply boat that makes long trips between the various Micronesian islands, but I doubt this is a serious alternative to flying for the majority of us time-limited dive travelers.
> Any suggestions? Again, I really like Manta Ray Bay Hotel and Yap Divers. Bill Acker was the man who put Yap on the dive map. He's American, but married to a local, and he's been there since the 70s. The hotel is a bit funky (waterbeds in some rooms) but clean and functional and the rooms are large and air conditioned.
In Palau, I'd go with the Aggressor or the Ocean Hunter II, or stay at the PPR and dive with Sam's if I decided to stay on land. My plan is to head back there for a week on the Aggressor in March of 2008 if my business stays afloat that long.
Feel free to throw any other questions at me. I'm one of the few people that has spent an entire week on Yap (most just do the half-week trip as an add-on to Palau) and I dove with Bill and his wife every day so I got to know them a bit. In Palau I did a 'fam' trip that took us to visit all the hotel and dive options on the island and I keep in touch with a couple people that lived there for a while. I'm very fond of both places, as they offer remote and pristine Indo-Pacific diving, yet don't have a lot of the issues involved in traveling around Southeast Asia. Money is the U.S. dollar, everyone speaks English, tropical diseases are nonexistent, there's no political turmoil that would potentially affect travelers, and no beggars or aggressive trinket sellers running after you everywhere you go. In short, Micronesia really might be paradise. Enjoy your trip. I'm envious already.
mag3 - 13 Nov 2006 23:36 GMT >> We are thinking Yap and Palau. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >> Best dive operators?
>As for Palau, you have a choice of three or so land based operations (Sam's, >NECO, and Fish&Fins) and a few liveaboards (Aggressor, Ocean Hunter I & II, >and I think a Japanese boat as well if they're still running). Sam's is the >most popular and is outfitted for trimix and rebreathers, but the other two >are also quality dive ops and might not have the crowds that Sam's attracts. I'm doing Sam's in February. I'm taking the "Blue Corner" PADI specialty course and a few of the other spots. A total of about 15 logged dives + Kayaking and Jellyfish Lake. The only thing is, I hear that Sam's "Jellyfish Lake" tour is not the "classic" Jellyfish Lake but their own private version. I think I want to see the "real" one.
>> Best hotel?
>The PPR (Palau Pacific Resort) is the luxury hotel on Yap. You mean Koror, Palau, right? That's where I'm booked, actually.
>> Is the only way to get there on Continental via Hawaii, Guam? > >Swimming? Continental Micronesia (formerly Air Micronesia) is the only game >in town unless/until Palau Air gets off the ground. You can avoid Hawaii by >flying into Guam from the west (Japan or Bali) but you can't avoid going >through Guam as it's the hub airport. Or Hong Kong as well. That's what I'm doing. CO 99 EWR---> HKG and then CS flights through to GUM--->ROR and back the same way to HKG for CO 98 Home.
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Greg Mossman - 14 Nov 2006 00:37 GMT > I'm doing Sam's in February. I'm taking the "Blue Corner" PADI specialty > course and > a few of the other spots. A total of about 15 logged dives + Kayaking and > Jellyfish Lake. I'm not sure how they can make a specialty course out of Blue Corner, but if you're willing to spend the money . . . Otherwise, a two-minute explanation of how to use a reef hook should suffice on top of the regular site briefing.
> The only thing is, I hear that Sam's "Jellyfish Lake" tour is not the > "classic" Jellyfish Lake but their own > private version. I think I want to see the "real" one. I've heard that there are really four Jellyfish Lakes. I'm not sure how many of them are open to tourists. I do know that the jellyfish population fluctuates dramatically: the lake will have a die-off, presumably when the population exceeds the available nutrients, then will slowly come back to normal populations. The one we snorkeled was accessed via a steep rocky path lined by a rope railing. Signs pointed out deadly poison trees and the presence of deadly monitor lizards and salt-water crocs, making the jellyfish seem even more benign in comparison.
Is there a Jellyfish Lake specialty course?
>>The PPR (Palau Pacific Resort) is the luxury hotel on Yap. > > You mean Koror, Palau, right? That's where I'm booked, actually. Ooops. That should read luxury hotel on Palau. Sorry. You'll have a good time there wherever it is.
> Or Hong Kong as well. That's what I'm doing. CO 99 EWR---> HKG and then > CS flights through to GUM--->ROR and > back the same way to HKG for CO 98 Home. I didn't know CO did Hong Kong. I had considered going L.A. to Narita, then Narita to Guam someday. It's always nice to know the alternatives.
mag3 - 14 Nov 2006 03:59 GMT >> The only thing is, I hear that Sam's "Jellyfish Lake" tour is not the >> "classic" Jellyfish Lake but their own [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >presence of deadly monitor lizards and salt-water crocs, making the >jellyfish seem even more benign in comparison. That's the "real" one, I understand.
>Is there a Jellyfish Lake specialty course? Not to my knowledge.
>> Or Hong Kong as well. That's what I'm doing. CO 99 EWR---> HKG and then >> CS flights through to GUM--->ROR and >> back the same way to HKG for CO 98 Home. > >I didn't know CO did Hong Kong. I had considered going L.A. to Narita, then >Narita to Guam someday. It's always nice to know the alternatives. Yep for several years now actually from EWR. 16 hours westbound via Polar route. For a while, it was the longest non stop. But I think it's now been eclipsed by JFK <--> JNB or JFK <--> SIN now. I've done it at least 2-3 times. Not bad if you bring your laptop and some DVD's. And in 2007 they'll be adding EWR --> Shanghai and perhaps Bejing for the 2008 Olympics.
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Reef Fish - 18 Nov 2006 09:27 GMT > >>The PPR (Palau Pacific Resort) is the luxury hotel on Yap. > > > > You mean Koror, Palau, right? That's where I'm booked, actually. > > Ooops. That should read luxury hotel on Palau. Sorry. You'll have a good > time there wherever it is. Anyone who can mistake PPR for something at YAP must have been completely narked during the entire trip!
Really dumb routing. Must have been booked by some rookie Travel Agent.
> I didn't know CO did Hong Kong. I had considered going L.A. to Narita, then > Narita to Guam someday. It's always nice to know the alternatives. How about LAX to HNL ot Guam, then onto Koror? Going to Narita is way out of the way, so is HKG.
I am in HKG now. The EWR - HKG flight is 16:25 hours. But on CO's International Business First, it's the most comfortable and restful 16+ non stop hours you'll ever fly.
I am enjoying my evening Hor d'oeuvres at the HK Conrad now, using my free wireless internet access while anjoying the harbor view from the 59th floor.
-- Reef Fish Bob.
Dan Bracuk - 14 Nov 2006 00:52 GMT mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:I'm doing Sam's in February. I'm taking the "Blue Corner" PADI specialty course and :a few of the other spots. A total of about 15 logged dives + Kayaking and Jellyfish Lake. How much does that cost and what does it enable you to do?
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
mag3 - 14 Nov 2006 03:34 GMT >mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >How much does that cost and what does it enable you to do? The course itself is only $75.00 + the regular cost of 2 2-tank dives, + the reef hook rental (or purchase) and the necessary permit fees to dive in Palau (which, if you go for more than 2 days of diving, you have to pay both the regular and the Pelieu fee as well. As far as "qualifications" go, I think this is one of those PADI "Distinctive Specialty" courses like "Underwater Naturalist" or "AWARE - Fish Identification" and the like. Doesn't really qualify you for anything, but it does give you another "specialty" rating and it counts toward "Master Scuba Diver" (which I'm already qualified for anyway.... just need 5 more logged dives). Maybe the one thing you do learn in the course is how to use a "reef hook" in the strong currents of the Blue Corner.
I should point out that the course itself only requires two 2-tank dives, I said 15 dives because that's how many I expect to do during the entire trip (actually 17). Oh, and free Nitrox to those certified for it.
>Dan Bracuk >If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. ____________________________________________ Regards,
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Dan Bracuk - 14 Nov 2006 04:38 GMT mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:The course itself is only $75.00 + the regular cost of 2 2-tank dives, + the reef hook rental (or purchase) :and the necessary permit fees to dive in Palau (which, if you go for more than 2 days of diving, you have to :pay both the regular and the Pelieu fee as well. Well, if you think it's worth it, spend it. When I dove Blue Hole we didn't use reef hooks. We just grabbed the rocks with our hands.
On my first trip to Fiji, they gave us reef hooks for one of the dives. I never really did get the hang of using them. However, at that dive site, you had to hook in and look up. At Blue Hole you look down. Should be easier.
In any event, have a good trip. Palau is a great dive destinatiion.
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
mag3 - 14 Nov 2006 05:00 GMT >mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Well, if you think it's worth it, spend it. When I dove Blue Hole we >didn't use reef hooks. We just grabbed the rocks with our hands. I'd rather have my hands free for the u/w cameras etc.
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