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Paul K. Lathrop - 03 Nov 2006 20:51 GMT
I am going to be in Naples Floria in the middle of mar and I am wondering
about diving there.   I have all my own equipment so I would just need
tanks, weights and boat.   Looking for a dive shop and what kind of diving
can be done in the area.  I plan to spend a week there.  I have a 3 day
business meeting and then I will stay an extra 4 days for a vacation so I
have a hotel and a car but I do not have to saty at the hotel for  the rest
of the trip so if I need to be a couple of hundred miles away  I can do a
different hotel.  Any information would be helpful

Thanks,
Paul
Ed - 04 Nov 2006 00:28 GMT
Naples??

Take I-75 South (Actually East) to 595 East.... it will take you less
time to Drive to FLL that it will to get in a boat and find decent
diving on that coast. There are a bunch of current threads talking about
diving FLL in the winter.

> I am going to be in Naples Floria in the middle of mar and I am wondering
> about diving there.   I have all my own equipment so I would just need
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> Thanks,
> Paul
Bill Seddon - 04 Nov 2006 11:02 GMT
> Naples??
>
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>> Thanks,
>> Paul

Forgive my lack of knowledge of your geography,  I'll be coming over
from the UK to Miami in June for a business meting.  again like the OP I
will have about 3-4 days free.

I was thinking of renting a car and driving down to the Keys,

Does this sound the best bet for an inexperienced diver?  I will have
around 20 dives by then I guess,  doing AOW over the next 2 weekends.

Bill
Lee Bell - 04 Nov 2006 13:05 GMT
> Forgive my lack of knowledge of your geography,  I'll be coming over from
> the UK to Miami in June for a business meting.  again like the OP I will
> have about 3-4 days free.

I'd bet a lot that your knowledge of our geography is better than my
knowledge of yours.  No forgiveness required.

> I was thinking of renting a car and driving down to the Keys,
> Does this sound the best bet for an inexperienced diver?  I will have
> around 20 dives by then I guess,  doing AOW over the next 2 weekends.

It sounds like good plan to me.  In the Keys, it's easier to find trips out
to colorful reefs and fish than anyplace else in Florida.  There's more dive
shops per mile there than anyplace I know of and every one of them runs
trips to the reefs.  Most run trips to wrecks as well.  Bear in mind that
most of our wrecks are actually artificial reefs, cleaned of dangerous
chemicals, etc. and sunk as a diving/fishing attraction.  The wrecks have a
history, but it dosn't usually include an accidental sinking.

Most of the dive operators in South Florida run two, two tank dive trips a
day, one around 8:00 AM, and another just after noon.  Rental equipment,
from observation only, is usually in good condition.  The most common tanks,
by far, are standard 80 cubic foot tanks.  That's 80 cubic feet of gas when
expended to 1 amosphere.  Since the metric system measures tank by actual
volume, I haven't a clue how to convert that to a UK friendly number.  A
clamp connections are standard.  DIN connections are usually available on
request.  If you need one, be sure to ask in advance.  You may wish to
obtain a DIN to A clamp adapter and avoid the question.

There is some diving from Miami, mostly wrecks, including some shallow ones.
As you head south from there, you'll come to Biscayne National Park first.
It's close enough to Miami for a day trip.  It offers some nice shallow reef
diving as well as a few artifcial reefs.  It's largely overlooked and,
therefore, less impacted by high volume dive operations.  You might check to
see if any of the local shops, or the park itself, have a trip that meets
your schedule.

Key Largo, where you'll find Pennekamp State Park and Key Largo Marine
Sanctuary, is about an hour from Miami.  This is the northern end of the
Keys chain of islands.  Most of the more famous dive sites are in the Key
Largo area including the Christ statute.  There are dive shops everywhere,
including the park.  One of the better known in this group is Quiesence.
They tend to run smaller boats with more customer input into the kinds of
dives they do.  Several of us have also used Silent World.  Ownership and
management changed recently.  It may or may not be as good as it was.  We
liked them for dives on the Spiegle Grove.  We didn't much care for their
choice of shallow reefs.  I've used American Divers and Spencer Slate's
Atlantic Dive Center as well.  I'd use either for area wrecks, but both,
like Silent World, get a bit lazy (and cheap) on their reef dives, visiting
the same old, heavily impacted sites time after time.  It's not bad, but
it's not the best the Keys have to offer.

Islamorada is a bit further down the island chain.  One of my favorite dive
shops was located there, but has since closed.  The island is just too close
to the much better known Key Largo, to support many large dive operators.
The small ones do well.  The most recommended shop in this area is Conch
Republic Divers.  I've not used them, I tow my own boat to Islamorada, but I
have stopped in to visit them.  If their trips are as good as their
attitude, they're a good choice.  In my personal opinion, Islamorada reef
diving is better than Key Largo reef diving thanks to lower diver impact.
If you get to Islmorada, or even if you stop in Key Largo, drive to Robbies,
at mile marker 77.5 and pay the couple of bucks to go out on the dock and
feed the tarpon,  It's one of those must do things in the Keys.  Try it,
you'll like it.

Heading south, Marathon is probably the next well known area.  I don't know
much about the dive operators there, but like Islmorada, the diving is
better than the more popular areas close to Miami.

Before you get to Key West, you'll come to Cudjoe Key and Big Pine Key.
You'll know you're there by the Key Deer sanctuary signs all over the place.
A friend of ours, Rachel Chaimson, runs dive trips to a couple of local
wrecks and to Looe Key.  Looe Key is arguably, the most beautiful of the
well known reef sites and Rachel is our kind of people.  She runs both
recreational and tech dives.  If you contact here, make sure you share your
experience level.  The tech dive charters she runs are for very experienced
divers only.  Rachel runs a 6 pack boat out of a Marina on Cudjoe Key.  Her
email address is rachel@wreckreationcharters.com.

Just south of Cudjoe Key is Big Pine Key.  I don't recommend any of the dive
operators, or accomodations there.  The one time i stayed and dove there,
both the motel, the shop and the dive boat were less than expected.  Things
may be different now.  What I do recommend is that you stop and ask
directions to the No Name Pub.  You won't find it on your own.  It's the
kind of place that could only survive in the Keys.  It's worth the trip for
lunch or a couple of beers.  Buy the T Shirt.

In my personal opinion, the diving in Key West is the least reliable in the
Keys.  It can be good, but there are way to many places that are almost
always good before you get that far down.  Key West is known for it's
history, its drinking establishments and Mallory Docks.  If you get there,
visit the Mel Fisher Museum, take a ride on the Conch Train (good way to
learn about the island) and make sure to be at Mallory Docks an hour or so
before sunset.  It's a street show not to be missed.  Another of those must
do things.  If the Conch Train still gives out drink tickets to Sloppy Joes,
by all means have a free/reduced price drink there . . . then leave.  It's
worth a visit and look, but that's about it.  There are better bars all up
and down Duval Street.  The steak sandwich at Pepe's is the best lunch on
the island.  Dinner at Pepes is also good, but the place has been
discovered.  It gets crowded when the tourists are in town.  Kelly's is also
very good.

Well, that's about all I can think of to say except, have a good time.

Lee
Bill Seddon - 04 Nov 2006 17:52 GMT
> Well, that's about all I can think of to say except, have a good time.
>
> Lee

Lee

What a comprehensive and useful reply,  cheers and thanks a lot.  Will
make very good reading.  I've got to fit some golf in as well!  I'll be
off to Asheville NC in the following week,  so may drive up to do a bit
of sightseeing and golf on the way.  Or it might be just easier to fly a
domestic carrier to Asheville.

I can cope with all the conversions no bother,  I did my OW in Barbados
which was imperial and am now doing metric for my AOW in the UK.  80cf
is I think 12 litres.  We seem to have more steel cylinders over here.

Got a drysuit dive in pool tonight,  then 3 dives in quarry tomorrow,
can't wait.

Bill
Ed - 04 Nov 2006 23:36 GMT
Lee said it all on the Keys!!!  My favorite for beginners is Key Largo
because of the vast number of dives in the park to chose from.  BTW...
leave the dry suit at home.   Mid winter 3mil is plenty for us locals.

Fort Lauderdale has some great wreck diving but the reefs (Expecially
the shallow ones) are much better in Key Largo.

Asheville is about a 12 hour drive from Fort lauderdale if you leave
about 5AM or on a weekend.  (Add an hour or more if you leave during
rush hour.   If you drive, I suggest taking 95 up the coast to Savannah
and then across SC through Columbia.   Lots of golf stops along the way
and you will avoid the delays through Atlanta.
    Asheville is usually a bit expensive to fly to and there are no
non-stop flights from South Florida.   Atlanta (4 hours away) and
Charlotte (2 hours away) are also expensive airports.   Raleigh (about
3.5 hours from Asheville) is the cheapest due to Southwest airlines
(Kind of like Ryan air).   If you book early you can sometimes find a
reasonable flight to Asheville.

>> Well, that's about all I can think of to say except, have a good time.
>>
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>
> Bill
Bill Seddon - 04 Nov 2006 23:44 GMT
> Lee said it all on the Keys!!!  My favorite for beginners is Key Largo
> because of the vast number of dives in the park to chose from.  BTW...
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>
>>> Bill

Thanks Ed,

I have a few days between being in Miami and needing to get to Asheville
so I fancy a nice drive with a few motel stops on the way.

Bill
Dan Bracuk - 05 Nov 2006 13:42 GMT
Bill Seddon <bill@removeseddonendo.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:Forgive my lack of knowledge of your geography,  I'll be coming over
:from the UK to Miami in June for a business meting.  again like the OP I
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:Does this sound the best bet for an inexperienced diver?  I will have
:around 20 dives by then I guess,  doing AOW over the next 2 weekends.

I've been to a lot of places in both the Caribbean and Pacific, and I
think that Looe Key is just as nice as anywhere.  You dive from the
Lower Keys.  I stayed in Key West when I went.

Trip report available here
http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/Trips/LowerFloridaKeys.htm

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Daniel Kessler - 05 Nov 2006 14:11 GMT
Did you say you liked to dive in eel grass?  I've dived in the Florida Keys and would
prefer to hop on over to the Bahamas...they have quick flights out of both Mimai and
probably better connections through Ft. Lauderdale. Bimini is not bad and quite close
for a 3-day stay and the diving far superior to anything that you'll find in South
Florida...or maybe Harbour Wells in the Abacos (also have flights to there as well).

As for Naples -- the Gulf of Mexico has no diving of any consequence.

> Bill Seddon <bill@removeseddonendo.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
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Ed - 05 Nov 2006 15:32 GMT
Bimini proper only has fairly small patch reefs. Further south near Gun
Cay, N Cat and S Cat is where the diving gets good (Walls and finger
reefs) but you can't count on the Bimini boats to go there as much as
the local spots (fuel price etc)   Bimini is also harder to get to than
before the plane crash last Christmas.  Now you have to fly to S Bimini
and take a Bus then a water taxi then a taxi to get to the hotels on N
Bimini.  There are no more water landings in Bimini since chaulks got
grounded.   Don't get me wrong, I prefer the Bimini area over the keys
(I take about 5 trips a year to Bimini and a similar number to the keys
but always on a private boat) but for someone coming from the UK who
only has a couple days, the Reefs around Key Largo, Islamorada and Looe
are the best.   (New diver... I am assuming he is renting gear and wants
to see some of the land based attractions as well.... Bimini's best land
based attraction burned down last year)

BTW.... if you are diving in the grass... you need a new set of charts!!!

> Did you say you liked to dive in eel grass?  I've dived in the Florida Keys and would
> prefer to hop on over to the Bahamas...they have quick flights out of both Mimai and
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Daniel Kessler - 05 Nov 2006 21:00 GMT
sorry ---didn't know about this new situation at Bimimi...but how about Harbour Wells in
the Abacos?

> Bimini proper only has fairly small patch reefs. Further south near Gun
> Cay, N Cat and S Cat is where the diving gets good (Walls and finger
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Ed - 05 Nov 2006 22:02 GMT
Bimini suffered horribly in 2005.  They had a hurricane damage the South
Island, they lost a chaulks plane on take off from Miami killing all
aboard including about 11 residents and then the Compleat angler burned
to the ground killing Mr. Brown, the owner.    I still enjoy going over
and do suggest people go but not for a quick trip in a plane.

I have not been to the Abacos for a couple years but I hear the only
places damaged have been fully repaired.   I like the diving just north
of Elbow and the area staight east of Treasure (Names escape me).
There are probably many other great spots but I only get there every few
years.  I prefer the Exuma chain but the Abaco chain is better for
fly-ins (More hotels, airports and Dive boats)Same reason I prefer Exuma
(fewer hotels, airports and diveboats).

> sorry ---didn't know about this new situation at Bimimi...but how about Harbour Wells in
> the Abacos?
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Lee Bell - 05 Nov 2006 23:47 GMT
> sorry ---didn't know about this new situation at Bimimi...but how about
> Harbour Wells in
> the Abacos?

It's not so much a new situation at Bimini, but a new situation with Chalks.
When one of their planes crashed, killing several people, their entire fleet
was grounded.  Because they flew sea planes, they could land in the
protected waters and dock in the harbor of North Bimini.  All other
commercial and private flights have always landed on South Bimini.

There is, by the way, at least one hotel and at least one dive operator on
South Bimini.
nospam@all.please.net - 05 Nov 2006 16:25 GMT
> As for Naples -- the Gulf of Mexico has no diving of any consequence.
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That part's a bit sweeping. Florida's west coast diving may not be
much, but http://www.flowergarden.nos.noaa.gov/ is no slouch. Rig
diving can be interesting too.
Lee Bell - 05 Nov 2006 23:49 GMT
>> As for Naples -- the Gulf of Mexico has no diving of any consequence.
>>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> That part's a bit sweeping. Florida's west coast diving may not be
> much, but http://www.flowergarden.nos.noaa.gov/ is no slouch. Rig
> diving can be interesting too.

Not so sweeping if you consider the words "As for Naples."  The normal route
to the Flower Gardens is from Texas.

Lee
nospam@all.please.net - 06 Nov 2006 00:10 GMT
>>> As for Naples -- the Gulf of Mexico has no diving of any consequence.
>>>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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>
> Lee

Regardless of what you want to think, the sentence means:

    All Gulf of Mexico diving is of no consequence.
    Naples diving is Gulf diving.
    Naples diving is of no consequence.

The major premise is false because it is too sweeping. The
conclusion does not follow even if it is true.

Also, this type of "accessibility" is transitive.
Lee Bell - 06 Nov 2006 00:35 GMT
>>>> As for Naples -- the Gulf of Mexico has no diving of any consequence.
>>>>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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> Naples diving is Gulf diving.
> Naples diving is of no consequence.

Regardless of what you think, it doesn't mean that to everyone.  Since you
didn't write it, you'll pardon me if I don't accept you as the authority.
You're probably the only person in the group that doesn't know that 1. The
post was a response to someone who was planning on being in the Naples area
and that the words "As for Naples" more than implies that the following
words refer to Naples.

Don't let reality get in the way of your fantasy.

Lee
nospam@all.please.net - 06 Nov 2006 03:08 GMT
>>>>> As for Naples -- the Gulf of Mexico has no diving of any consequence.
>>>>>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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>
> Regardless of what you think, it doesn't mean that to everyone.  

More's the pity.

> Since you didn't write it, you'll pardon me if I don't accept you as
> the authority.

What the sentence means and what the author meant may differ. The
sentence means exactly what I wrote.

It's the poster's business to clarify.  It's not your business to
put words in his mouth. TPIB, STFU and let people speak for
themselves.

> You're probably the only person in the group that doesn't know that 1.
> The post was a response to someone who was planning on being in the
> Naples area and that the words "As for Naples" more than implies that
> the following words refer to Naples.

I took issue with what he wrote. It may differ with what he meant.
Since you didn't write it, you'll pardon me if I don't accept you
as the final authority.

> Don't let reality get in the way of your fantasy.

Your imputations don't alter reality.
Magilla - 06 Nov 2006 03:38 GMT
<nosense@all.please.net> wrote

> TPIB, STFU and let people speak for
> themselves.

   Seems you're the only one admitting an incapability to connect two
clauses in order to get the meaning of the sentence, you're either a dunce
or trying to selectively quote to purposely be an a.s.  As the anonymous
a.shole, you're already sitting down, so your turn to shut the f.ck up.
Lee Bell - 06 Nov 2006 05:14 GMT
> It's the poster's business to clarify.

Which he did quite nicely.  You just chose to ignore his clarification.

> STFU and let people speak for themselves.

He did.  It's not your business to tell anyone to STFU.

> I took issue with what he wrote.

You took issue with part of what he wrote.

Lee
Daniel Kessler - 06 Nov 2006 13:28 GMT
my diving in the Florida Keys was off a boat, not the shore.

...and what about the Berry Islands in the Bahamas (the tongue of the Ocean)
and all that? That is a short flight from Ft. Lauderdale/Miami as well.  Anyone
been there recently?

> >>>> As for Naples -- the Gulf of Mexico has no diving of any consequence.
> >>>>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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>
> Lee
Lee Bell - 06 Nov 2006 20:25 GMT
> my diving in the Florida Keys was off a boat, not the shore.

Then you should have seen a lot more than eel grass.

> ...and what about the Berry Islands in the Bahamas (the tongue of the
> Ocean)
> and all that? That is a short flight from Ft. Lauderdale/Miami as well.
> Anyone
> been there recently?

I enjoyed the Berry Islands and, in my opinion, they are better than the
Keys, perhaps because they're different.  I'm only an hour from the Keys.  I
did not particularly enjoy the Tongue of the Ocean.  Last time we dove from
an anchored sailboat while the currents were ripping and there was no land
in sight.  I saw nothing worth the worry.  I do like some of the reefs off
Andros.

Lee
Lee Bell - 05 Nov 2006 23:42 GMT
> Did you say you liked to dive in eel grass?

Find out who Daniel dove with and pick somebody else.  If he dove eel grass,
I put my money on "he dove from shore."  There are a few nice dive sites
within swimming distance of shore in the Keys, but not many.

> I've dived in the Florida Keys and would prefer to hop on over to the
> Bahamas...they have quick flights out of both Mimai and
> probably better connections through Ft. Lauderdale. Bimini is not bad and
> quite close for a 3-day stay and the diving far superior
> to anything that you'll find in South Florida...or maybe Harbour Wells in
> the Abacos (also have flights to there as well).

I don't know who has the better connections these days.  Bimini is OK, but I
prefer the Keys, southern Palm Beach County and Broward County, in that
order.  Other islands are better.  Neither Grand Bahama (Freeport) nor New
Providence (Nassau) are among them.

> As for Naples -- the Gulf of Mexico has no diving of any consequence.

Unfortunately true.

Lee
nospam@all.please.net - 06 Nov 2006 22:43 GMT
Magilla wrote:

<nospam@all.please.net> wrote

> Seems you're the only one admitting an incapability to connect two
> clauses in order to get the meaning of the sentence,  

And all this time I thought Lee was the only one who would argue
with incontrovertible logic.
nospam@all.please.net - 07 Nov 2006 00:27 GMT
Lee Bell wrote:

>> I [nospam@all.please.net] took issue with
>> what he wrote.
>
> You took issue with part of what he wrote.

> Lee

I only took issue with a part that was wrong.
Why would I take issue with a part that was
correct?

Oh, wait... I see your trouble now.
 
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