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Where to dive in S. Caribbean?
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Peter - 09 Aug 2006 05:22 GMT We are going on a cruise through the S. Caribbean over Christmas with ports of call being...
St. Thomas St. Kitts Grenada Bonaire Aruba
We will dive in only one or two ports. The only warm water diving we have done is in Belize. Blue Hole, Lighthouse Reef. We are comfortable in the water but are not very experienced divers.
Given this, what ports would be the best dive spots?
Peter
Marcin Dobrucki - 09 Aug 2006 12:37 GMT > We are going on a cruise through the S. Caribbean over Christmas with ports > of call being... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Given this, what ports would be the best dive spots? Stop on Bonaire, and go to the site called "Karpata". Someone else can suggest something from the other locations.
-hh - 09 Aug 2006 14:22 GMT > > Given this, what ports would be the best dive spots? > > Stop on Bonaire, and go to the site called "Karpata". Someone else > can suggest something from the other locations. Karpata is a nice dive site, but if memory recalls, its accessed via the one-way road loop, which means that the return trip is the "long way" through Rincon, which can burn a lot of time for someone on a cruise ship day excursion with a firm "be back by" time.
Perhaps something like the first dive on the reef near the Hilma Hooker to the south, then use your SI to drive up someplace else (probably across town to the north) for a 2nd dive. The real question comes down to how much time you have to work with during your port of call.
-hh
Marcin Dobrucki - 09 Aug 2006 14:32 GMT > Karpata is a nice dive site, but if memory recalls, its accessed via > the one-way road loop, which means that the return trip is the "long > way" through Rincon, which can burn a lot of time for someone on a > cruise ship day excursion with a firm "be back by" time. Yes, that's true. However, we are talking Bonaire.. the "long way" is what... 10km? ;-)
> Perhaps something like the first dive on the reef near the Hilma Hooker > to the south, then use your SI to drive up someplace else (probably > across town to the north) for a 2nd dive. The real question comes down > to how much time you have to work with during your port of call. I was trying to dive Hilma from shore, and we got distracted by a second buoy which was placed there, eventually ending up mid water between two reef systems with a long way in either direction. I also found the seas to be somewhat rougher in that area. At white slave, we had to turn around having forced only about half the distance to the reef. A 7min dive took over 50bar of at at depth of 3-4m. Perhaps it was just a rough day.
-hh - 09 Aug 2006 15:11 GMT > > Karpata is a nice dive site, but if memory recalls, its accessed via > > the one-way road loop, which means that the return trip is the "long [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yes, that's true. However, we are talking Bonaire.. the "long way" > is what... 10km? ;-) Its been awhile since I've done that particular drive, but my general recollections are that even though its not technically all that many miles, its not like you're moving along at highway speeds.
Overall, this loop isn't all that long when you're staying in Buddy's, Habitat, or one of the other places north of town...probably a half hour for the loop (plus stopping for the dive).
The catch is that (as per the last time I was in Bonaire) the cruise ship dock was south of the downtown, right next to the Divi Flamingo.
As such, going to any dive site north means having to cross town to get there, and again to get back. How much time do you want to add for each time that you cross town? YMMV, but I'd say at least 10 minutes, preferably 15 to be safer when working against a hard (port departure) deadline.
Adding this to the above, I'd figure on spending roughly an hour in the rental car, plus probably 15+15 minutes for pre/post dive, plus an hour on the dive itself = 2.5 hours and counting. If the rental's not yet part of the time budget, well, I'd add another half hour for each end (pickup, dropoff) on Bonaire.
For a single day's visit, I'd really be predisposed to just grab a taxi and hop on dayboat for a couple of dives, perhaps doing a shoredive at the same location before grabbing a ride back to the port. Afterall, even for a shore dive, you're going to have to go somewhere to grab a tank.
-hh
Dillon Pyron - 09 Aug 2006 18:11 GMT >We are going on a cruise through the S. Caribbean over Christmas with ports >of call being... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Peter I can't disagree with the others on Bonaire. What I would suggest is that you book your dives via the cruise line (which line/ship are you sailing?). Yes, it will be more expensive, but it's pretty much all inclusive and they tend to be tailored towards the relative newbie like yourself. You can even do them with gear provided, if that's an issue for you.
For someone coming in for a day with no real idea of what the island is like and with very little experience, I'd recommend a ship's tour, or something from www.shoretrips.com.
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Dan Bracuk - 10 Aug 2006 00:32 GMT "Peter" <peterlee@shaw.ca> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:We are going on a cruise through the S. Caribbean over Christmas with ports :of call being... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : :Given this, what ports would be the best dive spots? St Kitts, Aruba and Bonaire are both good. Grenada is not bad. I have not been to St Thomas.
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Reef Fish - 10 Aug 2006 17:31 GMT > "Peter" <peterlee@shaw.ca> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > St Kitts, Aruba and Bonaire are both good. Grenada is not bad. I > have not been to St Thomas. You may be the only person in the world who had been to 4 of those 5 but never been to St Thomas.
Got this from Peter Hughes Fleet this morning:
> WIND DANCER, Grenada and The Grenadines, SEPT. 16-23, 2006. > Master Cabin, $ 1045; Deluxe: $ 945. Normal prices are $ 1795, > $ 1595, respectively. When the Wind Dancer has that kind of discount (and even when the discount is less) it's usually the prelude to taking the boat elsewhere, as it did in the Bay Islands and then Tobago. (I had been on BOTH those Wind Dancer locations, Wonderful boat, terrible diving.
But the $945 for the week is unheard of, even 10 years ago.
The only time I ever dived St Kitts was when the liveaboard in Saba (the Caribbean Explorer) had to find some excuses to go somewhere just so it can tell the land based divers at Saba that they couldn't swim to St Kitts. Otherwise, Saba is much better dived from land than from a liveaboard because no dive site is more than 10 minutes from land, and the liveaboard boats often couldn't moor at some of the best locations (such as the Eye of the Needle) because of current conditions (as was the case the week I was there).
My impression of St Kitts was that it was almost a toss up between diving somewhere and diving nowhere. Yes, I dived those crummy planes you dived there too. :-)
I think for most divers, Bonaire would be a first choice (one that I had never been! -- because it was the place the dive shops always took their newbies right after cert; and I did ALL of my dives after cert, for nearly a year, in Cozumel), and never went to Bonaire since. The $200 roundtrip ATL to CZM (in 5 hours) back those days vs $BIG roundtrip on KLM (in long hours) or whatever contributed even to my NOT diving Bonaire today, compared to CZM. The new direct flights on CO from EWR to Bonaire (to start next year) cost $833 roundtrip from EWR and slightly more ($860) from ATL, compared to the my ATL/CZM trip two weeks ago ($308 !!).
I would think St Thomas would be most people's second choice, and would be mine. Between poor vis and cold water and poor viz and warm water, I take St Thomas over Aruba any day.
-- Bob.
Rosalie B. - 10 Aug 2006 18:22 GMT >> "Peter" <peterlee@shaw.ca> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >You may be the only person in the world who had been to 4 of those >5 but never been to St Thomas. I have to agree. I have not been to St. Kitts, Grenada or Bonaire, but I'd take St. Thomas over Aruba any day. So if I were doing that trip, it would be Bonaire (which most people seem to like) and St. Thomas for me.
>Got this from Peter Hughes Fleet this morning: > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >-- Bob. Joe English - 11 Aug 2006 01:58 GMT > "Peter" <peterlee@shaw.ca> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- I dove St Thomas it was decent - one of the dives was a WWII army/navy barracks that was on a barge - vis was good - I dove with Blue Island - it was me and the DM in the water - dolphins, sharks, and turtles
Peter - 10 Aug 2006 01:25 GMT Thank you to all who have responded. We will be cruising with Princess and have since decided that we will use who ever has the package with the cruiseline. That way, we will be sure to make it back to the ship on time.
I welcome anybody else's opinions of which of the listed ports of call would be the best. I think that Grenada will be more of a tourist stop with all of the spices.
Thanks again.
Peter
Dan Bracuk - 10 Aug 2006 02:45 GMT "Peter" <peterlee@shaw.ca> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:I welcome anybody else's opinions of which of the listed ports of call would :be the best. I think that Grenada will be more of a tourist stop with all of :the spices. Our bus tour of Grenada was pretty cool. The southern half of the island is a desert and the northern part is a rain forest. The most impressive part was the farms. I have no idea how people can work on such steep slopes. I'd fall down.
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Robert - 11 Aug 2006 17:16 GMT >We are going on a cruise through the S. Caribbean over Christmas with ports >of call being... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Peter I have dived in St Kitts and in Aruba,
The nearest dive people in St Kitts, is close to Basse Terre, and IIRC the name is Bird Rock Beach Hotel, do not expect stunning reefs etc, good but not as good as St Maarten / Sabe or Tortola, but maybe chance to see some old spanish Galleon wrecks.
Aruba has loads of dive sites, mostly Aircraft and ship wrecks (the dive center cloe to the port not nearly as good as the Pelican Divers - further around the coast, they will pick you up wherever you are.
Grenada is not quite so hot for diving, and I understand St Thomas is almost as good as Tortola (which rates very highly indeed)
Bonaire has some awesome dive sites I have been told, and want to visit there myself.
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Regards
Rob
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Daniel Kessler - 11 Aug 2006 19:36 GMT > Bonaire has some awesome dive sites I have been told, and want to > visit there myself. > "awesome" ...hardly... if you've never been out in the Western Pacific. ginmill01 - 27 Aug 2006 20:22 GMT If you go to Bonaire for a day of diving, i'd suggest you make arrangements with one of the local dive shops and see if they can pick you up at the town pier. Renting a vehicle for the day would be costly. Most everyone does one tank dives. They could take you for a tank at 1000 Steps, Ole Blue, or Karpata and maybe someplace like Klein Bonaire, for another one. There is a $25 fee for diving in Bonaire.
>> Bonaire has some awesome dive sites I have been told, and want to >> visit there myself. >> "awesome" ...hardly... if you've never been out in the Western Pacific.
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