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Scuba Forum / Scuba Locations / August 2006Cozumel Water Temperature
Will be in Cozumel for 10 days starting Saturday. What kind of water temperature are they getting currently? Chris chrisb1erg*NOSPAM*@pacbell.net >Will be in Cozumel for 10 days starting Saturday. What kind of water >temperature are they getting currently? By one website about 79 Deg F http://www.diveparadise.com/ Ron Lee > >Will be in Cozumel for 10 days starting Saturday. What kind of water > >temperature are they getting currently? > > By one website about 79 Deg F > > http://www.diveparadise.com/ It does say that, but I'd consider that 79F claim to be suspiciously low. First off, surface water that's 79F (26C) or colder would be coded in blue on this map: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dataphod1/work/HHP/NEW/2006197gosst.png And I don't see any blue. Interpreting the 3 shades of orange that are shown to be near Coz, it is the temperature range of 28-31C, which would be 82F-88F. Ditto for this surface water temperature contour map, which suggests 28-29C (82-86F): http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/gulfmex.fc.gif Second, the hurricane season is generally defined by when surface water temperatures permit the formation of storms, which is defined as warmer than 26C (ie, warmer than 79F). We're now in week #7 of the hurricane season...ie, nearly 2 months worth of summer heating after the point in time where it typically starts to exceed 80F. By this same general rule of thumb, temperatures aren't expected to get back down to 80F until Oct/Nov. Third, because all water warmer than 26C is what represents the 'potential energy' source for hurricanes, NOAA also tracks what's known as the 26C Isotherm. Simplistically, this is how deep it is until you get to the 26C (79F) "thermocline": http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dataphod1/work/HHP/NEW/2006197god26.png The above map suggests that its currently around 100m (300+fsw) for Cozumel (and ~125m around Cayman), although this of course doesn't eliminate localized current upwellings. "Regional sized" upwellings are typically formed by prevailing winds pushing the warmed surface water away from shore, which then gets replenished by deeper (thus cooler) water moving in towards shore. Taking a longer look at the maps, it looks like there's some of this transport mechnanism in evidence on the north side of the Yucatan. As such, one could expect that this is being duplicated on a much smaller, highly regional scale along the same lee side of the island of Cozumel. -hh >>>Will be in Cozumel for 10 days starting Saturday. What kind of water >>>temperature are they getting currently? [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > -hh I did two dives on Palancar today, surface = 82, at 93' = 81. Wetsuit? What the hell is that?  Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' Thanks everyone. Guess I'll just pack the shortie. Going to Holbox to try the whale shark diving/swimming this Saturday and will be checking into the Hotel Barracuda on Sunday. Chris > >>>Will be in Cozumel for 10 days starting Saturday. What kind of water > >>>temperature are they getting currently? [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > jer > email reply - I am not a 'ten' I used my shortie in March a couple of years ago, so you might decide to leave it on the boat, but if you don't take it, you've got no choice. >Will be in Cozumel for 10 days starting Saturday. What kind of water >temperature are they getting currently? > >Chris > >chrisb1erg*NOSPAM*@pacbell.net It was 70 degrees in February too when I was there Regards Rob Vulcan Bomber (101 Squadron) > >Will be in Cozumel for 10 days starting Saturday. What kind of water > >temperature are they getting currently? End of July? Should be around 84F, from surface to 200 fsw. > It was 70 degrees in February too when I was there Rob, you're the only one completely off base. It was not 70 degrees in Feb; it was never 70 degrees. The worst thermocline I ever ran into in the coldest months there was about 75F. -- Bob. > End of July? Should be around 84F, from surface to 200 fsw. Hmmm... Wonder where the thermoclime starts in Cozumel in the summer... >> End of July? Should be around 84F, from surface to 200 fsw. > >Hmmm... Wonder where the thermoclime starts in Cozumel in the >summer... I have never experienced a thermocline. I have gone through fresh water "ventings" that were cooler and if you looked carefully you could see the mixing region. Ron Lee > >> End of July? Should be around 84F, from surface to 200 fsw. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > water "ventings" that were cooler and if you looked carefully you > could see the mixing region. If you can SEE the mixing region, then it becomes a halocline, even though it may also be a thermocline. Thermoclines are very RARE in Cozumel, but they do exist. Of the well over 1200 dives I've done in Cozumel, I've experience thermoclines only a few times, and these were faithfully recorded by the detailed profiles (time, temp, depth) on my HyperAqualand watches, the ReefNet Sensus Pro data recorders, as well as Cochran's POS (during the few months it wasn't in Gauge Mode :-)). I even posted reports (based on DATA from those recordings) of water temp in Coz over various months of the year. The thermoclines usually occur below 100 fsw, during weather and current conditions that sometimes cause vortex and other phenomenon (erroneously called "downcurrents"). Experienced DMs there who dive year-round will tell you that there ARE thermoclines in Cozumel. Without the data-recording devices that I have, they often even exaggerate how COLD the thermoclines were. -- Reef Fish Bob. > > I have never experienced a thermocline. I have gone through fresh > > water "ventings" that were cooler and if you looked carefully you > > could see the mixing region. > > If you can SEE the mixing region, then it becomes a halocline, even > though it may also be a thermocline. Haloclines are a chemical composition gradient...ie, fresh/salt. Thermoclines are a temperature gradient...ie, warm/cold. Refraction is the bending of light as it passes between materials of different optical density...ie, density gradients. In water, a lower temperature increases density (down to 39F). In water, a higher salt content also increases density. As such, the detectable presence of optical refraction is only sufficient to determine that a change in density is present, but not which specific factor (temperature, salinity) is causing that change in density. So while 'visible gradients' may generally indicate a halocline in Cozumel, that's a localized coincidence, not causuative as per physics, which means that the warning "Correlation Is Not Causation" applies. > Thermoclines are very RARE in Cozumel, but they do exist. Hardly surprising, since thermoclines and currents are generally thought of as being incompatible, since the layering of a thermocline is a density function and that can be disrupted and overcome by forced mixing. In any event, for scuba divers in areas with pronounced depth gradiants (ie, "walls"), a common source of a discrete localized temperature gradiant (that may be misnamed a 'thermocline') is actually a deepwater upwelling that is being pulled up towards the surface despite its density, due to tide and/or offshore surface wind conditions. En route, it was likely channelized by the local topology to minimize dissolutionative mixing so as to maintain a stronger perceived thermal gradient. For divers who have suddenly experienced swimming into a "cold draft" while swimming horizontally along/near the top of a dropoff, you're probably over a sand chute or groove where such an upwelling was occuring. -hh (snip)> For divers who have suddenly experienced swimming into a "cold draft" > while swimming horizontally along/near the top of a dropoff, you're > probably over a sand chute or groove where such an upwelling was > occuring. Cool! No pun intended. Next time that happens to me in Roatan, I'll know what caused it and I'll check to see if I'm over a sand chute or a groove. > I have never experienced a thermocline. I have gone through fresh > water "ventings" that were cooler and if you looked carefully you > could see the mixing region. I've encountered that at the southern edge of Chankanaab where the freshwater from the cenote empties into the ocean... Definitely cooler than the surrounding salt water... >> It was 70 degrees in February too when I was there > Rob, you're the only one completely off base. It was not 70 > degrees in Feb; it was never 70 degrees. So says world famous oceanographer . . . wait a minute, he's not an oceanographer. He's a retired statistics professor. What are the odds. > The worst thermocline I ever ran into in the coldest months there was > about 75F. Which proves exactly nothing except, perhaps, that you aren't a very good statistician either. Lee >>> It was 70 degrees in February too when I was there > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So says world famous oceanographer . . . wait a minute, he's not an > oceanographer. He's a retired statistics professor. What are the odds. You don't have to be an oceanographer to read the temperature. Bob was there in Feb. I was there in Feb. The water was 79. Rob clearly made a typo. >> The worst thermocline I ever ran into in the coldest months there was >> about 75F. > > Which proves exactly nothing except, perhaps, that you aren't a very good > statistician either. Maybe not, but you don't have to be an statistician to read the temperature. I can't find a single source that gives a water temperature for Cozumel less than 75 degrees. > >>> It was 70 degrees in February too when I was there > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So says world famous oceanographer . . . wait a minute, he's not an > > oceanographer. He's a retired statistics professor. What are the odds. DING-DONG Bell has been to Cozumel exactly once in his life time, in the 1999 NEDfest, before he turn Bad Boy shortly thereafter. > You don't have to be an oceanographer to read the temperature. Bob was > there in Feb. I was there in Feb. The water was 79. Rob clearly made a > typo. I think your typo theory is correct, if Rob would return to confirm it. "0" is next to the "9" so "70" could easily have been "79". Just as easily it could have been a typo for "80". But then some cold-water diving folks have little feel on the temperature of warm water diving, and it's quite conceivable Rob just mis-guessed. In any event, as mentioned in my follow-up to Ron Lee, I have GAUGES that record such temps. My Sensus Pro data for the Feb we dived together is on my other laptop (the newer one), but I have the data on the Feb Mardi Gras of 2004 when I dived with Dan Bracuk and his wife. On Feb 23, ReefNet recorded a max depth of 198 fsw, and min-max-and-average temp ALL 79. On Feb 24, the max depth was 198, min-max-ave= 79 but showed a temp of 81 at time 0. On Feb 25, the max depth was 228 fsw water temp betwen 76 and 80, with AVERAGE 79. So, your 79 was right on the money, even at the same period in 2004. The water temp in Coz tend to be pretty much the same from year to year also. > >> The worst thermocline I ever ran into in the coldest months there was > >> about 75F. > > > > Which proves exactly nothing except, perhaps, that you aren't a very good > > statistician either. Lee is nothing but an inexperienced DIVER and an experienced TROLL. > Maybe not, but you don't have to be an statistician to read the temperature. > I can't find a single source that gives a water temperature for Cozumel less > than 75 degrees. Lee never has any FACTS. All his hot air. He even tried to bluff his way out of some outright errors, such as mistaking where the Georgetown Pier is in Grand Cayman, the name of the dive shop Eden Rock, when HE was the only who picked on me, thinking I was wrong about where I board the Aggressor every year. :-) He then bluffed about the EPIRB (which was discussed in Scuba-SE, not retrievable by Google) and alleged that I didn't know what it was until I documented that it was HE (DING-DONG Bell) who made all the errors. That's in the Google archives -- the funniest part was then Lee did that when he was supposed to have had me in his killfile, and he actually didn't read my follow-up to his EPIRB troll -- it was only after he shot his own foot THREE TIMES in succession that he stopped asking "Did anyone ask Bob if he knew what an EPIRB is"? THAT was funny. This was Lee's EPIRB story: http://tinyurl.com/bdws6 Back on topic. Cozumel's water temp is very stable, nearly constant year round, and I have more actual DIVING data on water temp than most folks because I had at least 10 years' worth, recorded at 10 sec. intervals or less, over at least 1000 dives, covering every month of the year, at ACTUAL dive sites. No oceanographer had that kind of data! -- Reef Fish Bob. > DING-DONG Bell has been to Cozumel exactly once in his life time, > in the 1999 NEDfest, before he turn Bad Boy shortly thereafter. Lying f.cker! You said you were gonna ignore us, couldn't do it, could ya! >> > So says world famous oceanographer . . . wait a minute, he's not an >> > oceanographer. He's a retired statistics professor. What are the >> > odds. > DING-DONG Bell has been to Cozumel exactly once in his life time, > in the 1999 NEDfest, before he turn Bad Boy shortly thereafter. Which also has nothing to do with your claim regarding water temperatures in Cozumel. > Lee is nothing but an inexperienced DIVER and an experienced TROLL. I suppose that's better than being a poor stastician at the end of a live spent as one. >> Maybe not, but you don't have to be an statistician to read the >> temperature. >> I can't find a single source that gives a water temperature for Cozumel >> less >> than 75 degrees. You also don't have to be one to realize that your statement was based on nothing of any substance at all. > Lee never has any FACTS. I have one fact. You tried to claim your limited experience made someone else's stated experience false. > He even tried to bluff his way out of some outright errors . . . You mean what you're doing now? > He then bluffed about the EPIRB (which was discussed in Scuba-SE, not > retrievable by Google) and alleged that I didn't know > what it was until I documented that it was HE (DING-DONG Bell) who made > all the errors. Liar. Did you ever figure out what the letters stand for or are you still getting it wrong? > Cozumel's water temp is very stable, nearly constant year round, > and I have more actual DIVING data on water temp than most > folks because I had at least 10 years' worth, recorded at 10 sec. > intervals or less, over at least 1000 dives, covering every month > of the year, at ACTUAL dive sites. > No oceanographer had that kind of data! Right. Bob using limited information from a device on his wrist, where it is affected by its proximity to his 98.6 degree F body, knows more about ocean temperatures than those who have spent their lives studying them and, more importantly, knows without a shadow of any doubt, that the temperature has never, ever, in all history, been . . . If that's Bob's statistics at their best, it's a damned good thing he taught instead of did. We can only hope some of his students proved more competent. Lee > You don't have to be an oceanographer to read the temperature. Bob was > there in Feb. I was there in Feb. The water was 79. Rob clearly made a > typo. Or borrowed Hanson's computer. :-) > > You don't have to be an oceanographer to read the temperature. Bob was > > there in Feb. I was there in Feb. The water was 79. Rob clearly made a > > typo. > > Or borrowed Hanson's computer. :-) A simple example of where basic physics revealed the gage miscalibration. Some consoles and dive computers, particularly older ones, have notoriously poor temperature gages. I've personally seen up to 10 degree (F) temperature variations between an analog gage inside a consol to a digital gage on a wristwatch, etc. Even the digital stuff too: I've seen up to 5F temperature spreads on digital temperature gages out of the same bucket of water. Part of the non-statistical reasons why for this includes gage calibration drift, as dive computers with user-replacable batteries have generally never been back to the factory to have their calibrations checked for depth, let alone for temperature or anything else. Now you know one more reason why I'm not particularly thrilled about dive computers that feature user-replacable batteries; YMMV. Overall, its not really that big of a deal, as the diver is going to have a custom thermal protection preference that varies, so it can be calibrated relative to whatever scale his personal temperature gage happens to read, and he's fine until he gets a new thermometer that's different from his old one. -hh >>>> It was 70 degrees in February too when I was there >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > there in Feb. I was there in Feb. The water was 79. Rob clearly made a > typo. You do have to be one to claim it was "never 70 degrees." > Maybe not, but you don't have to be an statistician to read the > temperature. I can't find a single source that gives a water temperature > for Cozumel less than 75 degrees. Can you find a single one, other than Bob's statement, that says it's never been? Me neither. Lee Reef Fish Anencephalitic Twit > Reef Fish > > Anencephalitic Twit Lee Bell also wrote, > Lee's rule. He who calls names first has lost the debate . . . Lee> Learn what an EPIRB is yet? This was Lee's EPIRB story: http://tinyurl.com/bdws6 I am still getting a good laugh every time I read about Lee's performance there. -- Reef Fish Bob. P.S. I think Magilla the gorilla who has been climbing the wall will be here. LOL. -- Reef Fish Bob, > Anencephalitic Twit > Lee Bell also wrote, >> Lee's rule. He who calls names first has lost the debate . . . Yes I did. Glad to see you invoke it. Having done so, I'm sure you'll not mind my noting that it was you, not me, that first called names in this thread. Nice going twit. > Lee> Learn what an EPIRB is yet? > I am still getting a good laugh every time I read about Lee's > performance there. Me too. It was a riot to see you get it wrong, and then mouth dance until you managed to convince youself, even if you convinced noone else, that you were right in the first place. It's even more amusing for you to claim that I had no idea there was a personal EPRIB when I'm the one the lives in the county and state where they are made, I'm the one that provided the link to the manufacturer and model and I'm the one that had one of the larger ones made by the same company. Hell, relative to a different product by the same company, I've even met the engineer who designed them. Twit. You're the one that didn't even know what EPIRB stands for. Apparently, you still don't. No surprise there. Some people never learn. You're clearly one of them. Hear anything from your Scuba SE friends lately? Lee Lee Bell wrote that!> > Anencephalitic Twit > > Lee Bell also wrote, > >> Lee's rule. He who calls names first has lost the debate . . . That's what made Lee a Supreme Hypocrite. > Yes I did. Glad to see you invoke it. Having done so, I'm sure you'll not > mind my noting that it was you, not me, But your name DING-DONG was not introduced by me, known by everyone, and I am not a sanctimonous hypocrite like you about telling OTHERS about Lee's Rule while breaking it numerous times himself. Lee you are a DING-DONG in every respect. <http://tinyurl.com/bdws6 > > > Lee> Learn what an EPIRB is yet? <http://tinyurl.com/bdws6 > > > > I am still getting a good laugh every time I read about Lee's > > performance there. <http://tinyurl.com/bdws6 > HAHAHAHA! Lee snipped the line between those two, the one below: RF> This was Lee's EPIRB story: http://tinyurl.com/bdws6 > Twit. Should we call DING-DONG Lee the Twitty Bird now? http://tinyurl.com/bdws6 > You're the one that didn't even know what EPIRB stands for. Apparently, you > still don't. No surprise there. Some people never learn. You're clearly > one of them. <see http://tinyurl.com/bdws6 > See DING-DONG mouth dance! http://tinyurl.com/bdws6 DING-DONG, you can bring on your Dysfunctional gang now. I'll be off to Cozumel DIVING in the warm water. That's when most people like Lee would try to sneak in something nasty while I am not here, like ganging up with hh Hugh to try to censor me, in 2000, ending up with egg all over hh's and Nick Simicich's and Lee's face. Adios, -- Reef Fish Bob. >> > Lee Bell also wrote, >> >> Lee's rule. He who calls names first has lost the debate . . . > > That's what made Lee a Supreme Hypocrite. Not at all. I agree with you. It's my statement, you invoked it, and you lost the debate. Consistently applied to one and all. > But your name DING-DONG was not introduced by me . . . It most certainly was. I damned sure didn't introduce it. > I am not a sanctimonous hypocrite like you . . . You're not like me. That's for sure. > about telling OTHERS about Lee's Rule while breaking it > numerous times himself. You invoked it, you broke it, and you're calling me a sanctimoneous hypocrite? Look in the mirror Bob. You'll notice your foot in it's normal position, in your mouth. > DING-DONG, you can bring on your Dysfunctional gang now. I don't have a gang. Never did, never will. All we have in common is our very low opinion of you. Each of us reached our conclusion independently. You've provided plenty of evidence. > I'll be off to Cozumel DIVING in the warm water. That's when most people > like Lee would try to sneak in something nasty while I am not here, > like ganging up with hh Hugh to try to censor me, in 2000, ending > up with egg all over hh's and Nick Simicich's and Lee's face. Don't let reality get in the way of your fantasies. Having any interesting discussions over in Scuba SE? I suppose that's my fault too? Lee >Reef Fish > >Anencephalitic Twit Ok Lee that was uncalled for. Now I have to go research the meaning of that big, unpronounceable word :) Ron Lee >>Reef Fish >> >>Anencephalitic Twit > > Ok Lee that was uncalled for. Now I have to go research the meaning > of that big, unpronounceable word :) Brainless. It's pronounceable, you just have to take it one syllable at a time. Lee >>>Reef Fish >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Brainless. > It's pronounceable, you just have to take it one syllable at a time. It also helps when you leave out unnecessary syllables: anencephalic. >>>>Reef Fish >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >It also helps when you leave out unnecessary syllables: anencephalic. Yeah, when ya insult someone with big words, it comes off better if ya spell em right. >Anencephalitic Twit > Yeah, when ya insult someone with big words, it comes off better if ya > spell em right. Ahem Reference - Schneider, L; Fevere, J, Papiernikberhauer, E STUDY OF VARIATIONS OF TOTAL AND UNBOUND PLASMA CORTISOL-LEVELS THROUGHOUT LABOR IN NORMAL AND ANENCEPHALITIC PREGNANCIES >>Anencephalitic Twit > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > STUDY OF VARIATIONS OF TOTAL AND UNBOUND PLASMA CORTISOL-LEVELS THROUGHOUT > LABOR IN NORMAL AND ANENCEPHALITIC PREGNANCIES Do you think Twit is pregnant? >>>Anencephalitic Twit >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Do you think Twit is pregnant? God, I hope not. One of him is enough. Do you think Twit is misspelled? Lee > >>>> It was 70 degrees in February too when I was there > >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Can you find a single one, other than Bob's statement, that says it's never > been? A recent (2006; not online yet) edition of the publication, "Inside Smithsonian Research" had a scientific report on a study on Echinoids which was being utilized to determine when the isthmus of Panama closed off flow between the Pacific and the Caribbean based on their shell growth patterns, which IIRC was temperature-dependent. Trying to track it down online, this is probably by the same author: http://striweb.si.edu/publications/PDFs/Rev%20Biol%20Trop%202005.pdf The above includes discussion of current water current & seasonal conditions on the Pacific side, including temperatures as low as 61F (16 C). Obviously, with the isthmus door currently closed, that cold water's not getting into the Caribbean, but back when the door was open... -hh >> >Will be in Cozumel for 10 days starting Saturday. What kind of water >> >temperature are they getting currently? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >-- Bob. Typo error, should have read 79 degrees... lol,,, 0 is too close to 9 after a few beers. :-) Regards Rob Vulcan Bomber (101 Squadron) > >> >Will be in Cozumel for 10 days starting Saturday. What kind of water > >> >temperature are they getting currently? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Typo error, should have read 79 degrees... lol,,, 0 is too close to 9 > after a few beers. :-) That was what I thought too, after Greg thought it was a typo. Your 70 could have been a typo for 80 too. The 79 was right on the money for Feb of 2004. At the Mardi Gras at the end of February 2006, it was 77F and 78F. Those are in my COLD WATER temp region, but not quite the FREEZING WATER temp of Easter Island in July, 70F - 74F because of the influence of the Antartic current. -- Reef Fish Bob. > ... the FREEZING WATER temp of Easter Island in July, 70F - 74F > because of the influence of the Antartic current. Try the Humboldt Current (aka Peru Current). The Antarctic Circumpolar Current (aka Western Drift aka West Wind Drift) doesn't venture north by its definition: its the northern boundary is defined by the Southern Subtropical Front, which is a salinity/temperature boundary that's generally south of 40S. This means that Easter is roughly 1000 miles beyond this current's northernmost boundary (and roughly 2000 miles from the ACC's center). The Humboldt Current exchanges with the ACC and then heads north relatively closely along the South American Pacific Coast...fairly far east for Easter Island, but eddies are possible. The Humboldt does get a kick westward at the Peru/Chile border, but by then, it is already north of Easter Island, so Easter never gets hit by the flow like the Galapagos can (water temperatures at diving depths often get into the high 50's in the Galapagos, depending on which current is in charge). Easter Island's location to the South and West of the Galapagos falls on the inside of the loop that the Humboldt takes overall, which means that the waters prevailingly transported there are being accomplished by eddies on the southside of the westward Humboldt, and after the Humboldt has started some neutrient/temperature mixing with both the Cromwell (Counter Equatorial) and Panama (North Equatorial) currents. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/SurfaceCurrents.png -hh > > ... the FREEZING WATER temp of Easter Island in July, 70F - 74F > > because of the influence of the Antartic current. > > Try the Humboldt Current (aka Peru Current). As usual, hh is making a big deal out of a minor point, and is WRONG about it also. > The Antarctic Circumpolar Current (aka Western Drift aka West Wind > Drift) doesn't venture north by its definition: its the northern > boundary is defined by the Southern Subtropical Front, which is a > salinity/temperature boundary that's generally south of 40S. This > means that Easter is roughly 1000 miles beyond this current's > northernmost boundary and is 2000 miles from Peru. Even YOU recognized that fact below: > The Humboldt Current exchanges with the ACC and then heads north > relatively closely along the South American Pacific Coast...fairly far [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Galapagos can (water temperatures at diving depths often get into the > high 50's in the Galapagos, depending on which current is in charge). http://www.sbg.ac.at/ipk/avstudio/pierofun/atmo/elnino.htm Easter Island is in the South Pacific. The Peruvian current is only one of three different currents that have a SMALL influence on its water temp, which is also why its 70'75F instead of the below 65F temp in Galapagos. "The South Pacific gyre is therefore made up of the East Australian current, the Peruvian (or Humboldt current as it is also known), and the South Equatorial current. The North Pacific and South Pacific " Why d'ont you try to relate some experience you may have in DIVING. You couldn't dive Easter Island even in your dream. I may be diving Christmas Island next month. And don't forget how you weaseled out of your INEXPERIENCE in diving in Little Cayman, and all you could talk about was Cayman Brac where NOBODY wants to dive there except those whose wives don't dive. Even when Winston was running the Little Cayman Diver II, he did not do a single dive in Cayman Brac even though he STARTED the week in Cayman Brac!! That says much about how undesirable the Brac dives are, and hh the ignorant pedant was using his dive site books to make people think he did enough dives in Little Cayman to know what he's talking about. -- Reef Fish Bob. > Easter Island is in the South Pacific. The Peruvian current is only > one of three different currents that have a SMALL influence on its [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > current, the Peruvian (or Humboldt current as it is also known), and > the South Equatorial current. The North Pacific and South Pacific " None of which are the "Antartic" (Antarctic Circumpolar Current) as you had previously claimed; thank-you for acknowledging this correction. FWIW, insofar as the Galapagos, it is a convergence point for the Humboldt, the Panama (which is the now warm tail end of the California) and an upwelling of the Cromwell currents, which is why the dive temperatures can and do vary so widely there. Ever dive there, Bob? -hh > > Easter Island is in the South Pacific. The Peruvian current is only > > one of three different currents that have a SMALL influence on its [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > None of which are the "Antartic" (Antarctic Circumpolar Current) as you > had previously claimed; thank-you for acknowledging this correction. Pedant! You're the impertinent PEDANT who mentioned the Circumpolar Current. Get your world geography book out an look again, and LOOK HARD. The Galapogos is in the GOLDEN TRIANGLE for shark diving, including Coco's Island where you{ve never been and probably never will because it's nothing like diving in the Cayman Brac. Cocos Island is 300 miles off Costa Rica, and the Golden Triangle is within 600 miles of each other. Now look down, WAY DOWN the map to where Australia and the Antartic is. The cold currents of Australia, and the water temp of Sydney are strongly influenced by the currents from Antartica, of which the Circumpolar Current is only ONE of them. I was in New Zealand and Sydney this year. Have YOU ever been there, or anywhere in the SOUTH Pacific? What about Little Cayman? How many dives have you done THERE? You can safely say the water there is not influenced by either the Humbolt (which originates from the ARCTIC) down to the northern part of South America, where as the ANTARTIC currents originate from Antartica, and works their way north, to Australia and parts fo the South Pacific. -- Reef Fish Bob. > > None of which are the "Antartic" (Antarctic Circumpolar Current) as you > > had previously claimed; thank-you for acknowledging this correction. > > Pedant! You're the impertinent PEDANT who mentioned the > Circumpolar Current. Of the seventeen recognized oceanic currents in the world, the *one* Which contains the word Antarctic (you misspelled "Antartic") in its Name is the Antarctic Circumpolar Current (ACC). Easter Island is nowhere near the ACC, despite your claim. Don't be wrong if you're offended by your errors being corrected. -hh -hh ha escrito: You should learn how to correctly attribute a poster's posting name by now, Hugh. There is a current thread explaining how and why your attempt to NAME SMEAR has failed, and failed miserably. -- Reef Fish Bob. "Reef Fish" babbled > There is a current thread explaining how and why > your attempt to NAME SMEAR has failed, and failed miserably. While your own heroic attempt to make an a.s of yourself has succeeded beyond your wildest expectations. "Magilla" ha escrito: > While your own heroic attempt to make an a.s of yourself has succeeded > beyond your wildest expectations. Your attempt to kiss hh's a.s as you had kissed others' a.ses is not new. Neither is it new the fact that an ignorant, uneducated gorilla can't read; RF; If you want to learn something about SCUBA (locations, theory or RF; practice), go to advanced search in Google Groups and specify RF; KEYWORDS and author REEF FISH. RF; If you want to learn something about STATISTICS (lheory or RF; methods), go to advanced search in Google Groups and specify RF; KEYWORDS and author REEF FISH. This, and other of my posts, are made for the benefit of the scuba. location readers, not for illiterate animals. For bonus on Hugh Huntzinger's deliberate misattribution for the purpose (now a failed one) of name-smearing, while you're in the advanced groups search section, search just for the keywords "Supreme Hypocrite", and you'll find Hugh Huntzinger's hits in rec.travel.air. rec.travel.cruises, and perhaps more, besides rec.scuba.locations and rec.scuba. -- Reef Fish Bob. "Reef Fish" defecated on the newsgroup with "Magilla" ha escrito: so now you're Hispanic? >> While your own heroic attempt to make an a.s of yourself has >> succeeded [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Neither is it new the fact that an ignorant, uneducated gorilla can't > read; Oh, I read quite well, since about 1963, Viejo. Guess you cannot figure out the timing of a Nasty Grouper post as the timing for a head popping, regardless of your target. Too damn stupid to see the real correlations. > RF; If you want to learn something about SCUBA (locations, theory or > RF; practice), go to advanced search in Google Groups and specify > RF; KEYWORDS and author REEF FISH. as if you can teach me ANYTHING about scuba other than your egotistical stories of where you're polluted the waters. I'd be interested is some parts of the locations IF you didn't soil the stories with your self-importance. Notice I didn't reply to your trip reports, even after reading about you being full of sh.t (as usual) to the point of exploding and describing it in public? As far as dive knowledge, you make me laugh. > RF; If you want to learn something about STATISTICS (lheory or > RF; methods), go to advanced search in Google Groups and specify > RF; KEYWORDS and author REEF FISH. As if I give a flying f.ck about your irrelavant math knowledge. I hope it's better than your command of simple spelling. > This, and other of my posts, are made for the benefit of the scuba. > location readers, not for illiterate animals. Naw, it's for the benefit of your enormous ego, little man. Guess you've forgotten humans are animals, (this one has an adequite knowledge of our language), definitely seem to think you're a god. Tell you what, if you're a god, I'm an atheist. > For bonus on Hugh Huntzinger's deliberate misattribution for the > purpose (now a failed one) of name-smearing, while you're in > the advanced groups search section, search just for the > keywords "Supreme Hypocrite", and you'll find Hugh Huntzinger's > hits in rec.travel.air. rec.travel.cruises, and perhaps more, besides > rec.scuba.locations and rec.scuba. You really think there's a connection between my dislike and HH's, or Lee's for that matter? Don't let the truth get in the way of your fantasies, little man. Only connection is you as an arrogant, egotistical has-been. Now, go hump the bellboy, or take a dump in the hotel lobby for your next specialty. BTW, is Large_Nassau_Grouper@ still a banned email account? Not to be confused with Large Nassau_ GrOuper@. "Reef Fish" Notice how you cannot ignore me, little troll who said he'd ignore the fully functional group. > RF; If you want to learn something about SCUBA (locations, theory or > RF; practice), go to advanced search in Google Groups and specify > RF; KEYWORDS and author REEF FISH. Now that's really funny. Magilla is a more advanced, better qualified and more knowledgeable diver than you are, ever have been, or ever will be . . . even in your dreams. As usual, you've spoken from a position of complete ignorance. Lee > Will be in Cozumel for 10 days starting Saturday. What kind of water > temperature are they getting currently? i guessed 84F, but it registered 85F today. Air temp will be over 90F every day. New (since April) Chinese restaurant on the floor above Pizza Hut opposite the Bahia hotel. 5 years ago, the restaurant was at the square opposite Prima. One meal there convinced me that it would not last. Owner Raymond remembered me from that one meal. He said he moved to Punta Maya the last 4 years and opened where it is now. Tried Kung Pao shrimp and Malaysian curried chicken. Both quite good. No cruiseship yesterday and two today. The cab drivers are lining up in long lines. La Ceiba pier blown away completely and the dive shop is still closed. Casa Del Mar is no longer available for shore diving. But further north was a tiny little hole in the wall open for tank rental and shore diving. Sue had been told, after eardrum puncture on the past several dive trips, by the Cozumel chamber ENT and her own ENT that her diving days are over. But she was not ready to give up yet, and that was why the shallow shore dive. We did not dive deeper than 20 fsw and she proved that there may still be some diving life left. But we are not ready to try the regular boat dives yet. Reef Fish Bob. > Sue had been told, after eardrum puncture on the past several dive > trips, by the Cozumel chamber ENT and her own ENT that her > diving days are over. But she was not ready to give up yet, and that > was why the shallow shore dive. We did not dive deeper than 20 fsw > and she proved that there may still be some diving life left. But we > are not ready to try the regular boat dives yet. Good luck. Just got back and I was getting 83 to 85 degrees on every dive (22 dives) except for the one dive when I checked the temperature just after jumping in from the boat...96 degrees...it dropped to 84 degrees after the console cooled off. Chris Bergquist > > Will be in Cozumel for 10 days starting Saturday. What kind of water > > temperature are they getting currently? [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Reef Fish Bob. |
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