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Grand Cayman "the glove issue"

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Jeff & Kathy Brown - 24 Sep 2003 17:01 GMT
We just got back Saturday night from G.C. to a hurricane savaged town....but
that's another story.

We dove with three different operators on the west and east side.  Nothing
was mentioned about the gloves unless someone put them on and then they were
told that gloves were not permitted on the island.  We didn't even bother
with them and didn't miss them until the very last dive when we were inside
a grotto and I got pushed up against the side by the surge.  I had time to
reach out with a finger to keep me from hitting the wall.  Got a little
pinhole of something in my finger but after a couple of days it was gone.
Bottom line....you really don't need them there.  We were just used to
wearing gloves from living and diving in CA and being slammed up against
whatever in the surge.
Greg Mossman - 24 Sep 2003 17:57 GMT
> Bottom line....you really don't need them there.  We were just used to
> wearing gloves from living and diving in CA and being slammed up against
> whatever in the surge.

If you can't keep from touching stuff, with or without gloves, you shouldn't
be diving at all.  That's not why many of us wear gloves.
Jim Wyatt - 25 Sep 2003 12:36 GMT
> If you can't keep from touching stuff, with or without gloves, you
> shouldn't be diving at all.

Roger that

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Jeff & Kathy Brown - 26 Sep 2003 21:31 GMT
There are times that mother nature will serve a very forceful hand and if
you're close to something when she decides to serve...you're going to hit
it, no matter how good you are and to say otherwise is foolish and
unrealistic.

> > Bottom line....you really don't need them there.  We were just used to
> > wearing gloves from living and diving in CA and being slammed up against
> > whatever in the surge.
>
> If you can't keep from touching stuff, with or without gloves, you shouldn't
> be diving at all.  That's not why many of us wear gloves.
Greg Mossman - 26 Sep 2003 23:02 GMT
> There are times that mother nature will serve a very forceful hand and if
> you're close to something when she decides to serve...you're going to hit
> it, no matter how good you are and to say otherwise is foolish and
> unrealistic.

Then perhaps I'm foolish and unrealistic.  I too do a lot of California
diving in shallow, surgy local waters, where the penalty for inadvertently
"touching" something is getting stabbed with a sea urchin spine.  You won't
find a single hole in my gloves or drysuit, except for the ones I've placed
there by intentionally touching something, and you won't find any holes in
me.  Mother nature's hand is very predictable underwater, especially when it
comes to surge.  If you're getting tossed around by surge uncontrollably,
then you obviously don't want to be too close to anything that can hurt you
or which you can hurt.

But your statement contradicts your earlier one where you said that gloves
weren't necessary in Grand Cayman.  If you truly believe that mother nature
has an unpredictable forceful hand, why the heck wouldn't you want gloves in
Grand Cayman in case you're "forced" to touch fire coral or a brittle worm?
Lee Bell - 27 Sep 2003 05:32 GMT
> But your statement contradicts your earlier one where you said that
gloves
> weren't necessary in Grand Cayman.  If you truly believe that mother nature
> has an unpredictable forceful hand, why the heck wouldn't you want gloves in
> Grand Cayman in case you're "forced" to touch fire coral or a brittle worm?

I believe it's called a Bristle Worm and I'm damned sure you don't want to
touch one without gloves.
Greg Mossman - 27 Sep 2003 07:17 GMT
>  > But your statement contradicts your earlier one where you said that
> gloves
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> I believe it's called a Bristle Worm and I'm damned sure you don't want to
> touch one without gloves.

Oops.  "Brittle" star, "bristle" worm.  But that's what I meant.
Jatniel Juran - 27 Sep 2003 02:51 GMT
> There are times that mother nature will serve a very forceful hand and if
> you're close to something when she decides to serve...you're going to hit
> it, no matter how good you are and to say otherwise is foolish and
> unrealistic.

I don't buy that. I you are mindful of local conditions you can then decide
what is a safe distance from the corals, plants and animals so as not to
thrown into any it. If anything else happens then it is likely you haven't
been paying attention to the surrounding conditions and diving
appropriately.
Jason O'Rourke - 28 Sep 2003 13:03 GMT
>I don't buy that. I you are mindful of local conditions you can then decide
>what is a safe distance from the corals, plants and animals so as not to
>thrown into any it. If anything else happens then it is likely you haven't
>been paying attention to the surrounding conditions and diving
>appropriately.

Or someone else.  One of the downsides of diving in the typical warm
water 6 packs is that you typically have at least a few underskilled
and unpredicatable divers near you.  

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Ed Smith - 12 Oct 2003 15:31 GMT
You're in another place that's not your home. Be polite and follow their rules.
When someone comes to my house and I say don't touch something or don't go into
another part of the house. They better damn well follow my rules. Why do we
insist on being a bunch of b holes.
Greg Mossman - 12 Oct 2003 17:04 GMT
> You're in another place that's not your home. Be polite and follow their rules.
> When someone comes to my house and I say don't touch something or don't go into
> another part of the house. They better damn well follow my rules. Why do we
> insist on being a bunch of b holes.

So what do your invited guests do when they've paid to come over and then
you tell them they have to remove their pants before you'll let them inside?

Nah, let's have an analogy more appropriate to my situation.  When your
elderly aunt visits, who must wear a hospital mask on her face when she's
inside because she's allergic to your cats, do you insist she remove the
mask or else leave your home?

I can understand the basic "house rules": don't smoke in my house, don't
kick my dog, don't steal the silverware.  But telling your guests what they
can and cannot wear is over the top.
 
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