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bluNOboxSPAMthief - 14 May 2006 21:37 GMT Hi,
Myself and another diver will be going to Guatemala in early September, and we would like to go to Belize to dive on a liveaboard.
The only diving I have been able to find has been shore based diving for either local diving or offshore diving.
The only names I can find are: Adventures in Belize, BELIZE DIVING ADVENTURES, belizeoceandivers, and Gaz Cooper's Dive Belize.
We will be on a budget (to a certain extent) and would like the idea of a liveaboard.
Does anyone have any names/URLs of liveaboards they would recommend?
And of the centers mentioned above, does anyone have any experience of them?
thanks in advance, b
Dan Bracuk - 15 May 2006 00:16 GMT bluNOboxSPAMthief <newsgroups-spambaiter@runningIHATEwithSPAMbulls.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Hi, : [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] : :Does anyone have any names/URLs of liveaboards they would recommend? First of all, liveaboards are expensive. If you are looking for a budget vacation, this ain't it. It's fun, but it ain't cheap.
My order of preference for Belize liveaboards is:
http://www.peterhughes.com/Sun/Sun_dancerindex.shtml http://www.aggressor.com/subpage5.php http://www.nektoncruises.com/Destinations/Overview.aspx
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
bluNOboxSPAMthief - 15 May 2006 20:14 GMT Hi Dan,
Firstly thanks for the reply.
>:Myself and another diver will be going to Guatemala in early September, >:and we would like to go to Belize to dive on a liveaboard. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > First of all, liveaboards are expensive. If you are looking for a > budget vacation, this ain't it. It's fun, but it ain't cheap. Ok, well there is my first correction then. I would have assumed (for no real reason of course) that liveaboards would have been cheaper.
Ok, so we will be "restructuring" our trip. ;)
> My order of preference for Belize liveaboards is: > > http://www.peterhughes.com/Sun/Sun_dancerindex.shtml > http://www.aggressor.com/subpage5.php > http://www.nektoncruises.com/Destinations/Overview.aspx I had seen the Agressor site, and from first look it didn't mention if you could take just two places, and wait for the rest to be filled.
So, my question regarding these three Liveaboards would be do we have to book the whole boat, or just two places?
WRT tank prices I guess if we are there for 4/5 days we could probably cut a deal on prices for say, 2 tanks per day, per person?
I guess so, but I don't want to begin booking unless we can take *just* two places.
Also how much kit (mainly BCD) can do dive centers in Belize rent? I understand there is not a fixed standard, but is it usual to get centers that will rent out BCD and tanks?
Thanks for the help Dan.
No doubt I will be asking more questions in the future.
thanks for a useful group.
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chilly - 15 May 2006 20:28 GMT > I had seen the Agressor site, and from first look it didn't > mention if you could take just two places, and wait for the rest to be > filled. Yes, you can do that. In fact, that's what most people do.
> So, my question regarding these three Liveaboards would be do we have > to book the whole boat, or just two places? Just the two places you want.
> WRT tank prices I guess if we are there for 4/5 days we could probably cut > a deal on prices for say, 2 tanks per day, per person? I'm not sure if I understand your question but I'm going to make a leap here. Assuming you are going to do 10 dives, you can probably negotiate a reduction in price per tank.
> Also how much kit (mainly BCD) can do dive centers in Belize rent? > I understand there is not a fixed standard, but is it usual to get centers > that will rent out BCD and tanks? It is rare to find a dive op in San Pedro that doesn't rent BCD's and all other kit. Tanks and weights are always provided, that's part of what you are paying for when bucking up your $30/tank.
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bluNOboxSPAMthief - 15 May 2006 20:41 GMT >> I had seen the Agressor site, and from first look it didn't >> mention if you could take just two places, and wait for the rest to be >> filled. > > Yes, you can do that. In fact, that's what most people do. Ok, cool. I'll send them a mail then.
>> WRT tank prices I guess if we are there for 4/5 days we could probably cut >> a deal on prices for say, 2 tanks per day, per person? > > I'm not sure if I understand your question but I'm going to make a leap > here. Assuming you are going to do 10 dives, you can probably negotiate a > reduction in price per tank. Thats pretty much what I ment ;)
>> Also how much kit (mainly BCD) can do dive centers in Belize rent? >> I understand there is not a fixed standard, but is it usual to get centers [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > other kit. Tanks and weights are always provided, that's part of what you > are paying for when bucking up your $30/tank. Excellent.
thanks for the help
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Dan Bracuk - 15 May 2006 22:54 GMT bluNOboxSPAMthief <newsgroups-spambaiter@runningIHATEwithSPAMbulls.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Ok, cool. I'll send them a mail then. :<snip stuff about doing only 2 tanks a day> :Thats pretty much what I ment ;) All three fleets have toll free numbers. Even if the toll free part does not apply to where you live, it's probably worth the price of a phone call.
Doing only two dives a day on a liveaboard is very unusual. Being able to do lotsa dives per day is the one of the more common reasons that people are willing to fork over the extra bucks.
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Dan Bracuk - 15 May 2006 22:51 GMT bluNOboxSPAMthief <newsgroups-spambaiter@runningIHATEwithSPAMbulls.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:I had seen the Agressor site, and from first look it didn't :mention if you could take just two places, and wait for the rest to be :filled. : :So, my question regarding these three Liveaboards would be do we have :to book the whole boat, or just two places? I always book just two places. As long as two spots are open for the week you want to go, you're in business.
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
chilly - 15 May 2006 00:54 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The only names I can find are: Adventures in Belize, Adventures in Belize, is Ian Anderson's place on the mainland. It is more about caving, hiking and inland naturalist experiences. They would just be acting as a booking agent for you and not as the dive op.
>BELIZE DIVING > ADVENTURES I hear good things about Everette
>, belizeoceandivers, Diving isn't their main gig and they would be booking you out to another operator, as well.
>and Gaz Cooper's Dive Belize. Gaz' place is up north on Ambergris Caye, so I'm making an educated guess that is not what you are looking for either.
> We will be on a budget (to a certain extent) and would like the idea > of a liveaboard. Liveaboards are expensive. Check out these guys: http://www.ambergriscayediving.com/ don't worry about the rate you see of $30 per tank. You can easily negotiate a discount on a block of dives. Chuck and Robbie are friends of mine. Robbie is an excellent DM and a very cool dude.
or these guys: http://ambergriscaye.com/discountdive/index.html Ched is also an excellent DM and it looks like they've got some pretty good deals. I suspect that the inexpensive hotel/dive combo is for Hotel del Rio http://ambergriscaye.com/hoteldelrio/index.html and Coral Beach Hotel http://www.coralbeachhotel.com/. I don't think Hotel del Rio has airconditioning in the thatched unit but it's on the beach. Coral Beach Hotel, has been recently renovated and it's right in the middle of town on Front Street, 1/2 block off the water and has airconditioning. My friend Fitz owns/runs it.
Keep in mind that it's very very hot in September and also hurricane season, though most hurricanes in that area lately, have been in October and November.
> Does anyone have any names/URLs of liveaboards they would recommend? > > And of the centers mentioned above, does anyone have any experience > of them? See above.
> thanks in advance, You are welcome.
> b bluNOboxSPAMthief - 15 May 2006 20:23 GMT > Adventures in Belize, is Ian Anderson's place on the mainland. It is more > about caving, hiking and inland naturalist experiences. They would just be > acting as a booking agent for you and not as the dive op. So, its probably a good idea to go to the operator direct?
>>BELIZE DIVING >> ADVENTURES > > I hear good things about Everette Ok, these guys will stay on the list!
>>, belizeoceandivers, > > Diving isn't their main gig and they would be booking you out to another > operator, as well. Same as Belize Diving Adventures then.
>>and Gaz Cooper's Dive Belize. > > Gaz' place is up north on Ambergris Caye, so I'm making an educated guess > that is not what you are looking for either. Well, tbh, I would like to see (and dive) as much as we can, but I understand The Blue Hole is something to be seen (at least once) and I guess it would be kinda pointless not going to see it.
Do you think it would be a big deal to dive the Blue Hole, and then head up north?
>> We will be on a budget (to a certain extent) and would like the idea >> of a liveaboard. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Chuck and Robbie are friends of mine. Robbie is an excellent DM and a very > cool dude. Heh, as I explained in the last post this is my mistake then. From a diving POV, I guess it would guarantee (outside factors willing) maximum dive time.
Is the $30 per tank just a guide for low number of tanks? If we want 10-12 tanks I guess the price would come down. I was kinda worried as $30 is almost in line with prices at home (Ireland).
> or these guys: http://ambergriscaye.com/discountdive/index.html Ched is > also an excellent DM and it looks like they've got some pretty good deals. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Front Street, 1/2 block off the water and has airconditioning. My friend > Fitz owns/runs it. Ok sounds good. Can I drop your name when I e-mail him? :P
> Keep in mind that it's very very hot in September and also hurricane season, > though most hurricanes in that area lately, have been in October and > November. Hot is good. Hurricane is not. I will be keeping an eye on the weather then from here.
Are there any satellite maps for the region available on-line anywhere? It would be nice to track this information in the coming months.
>> thanks in advance, > > You are welcome. More questions on the way.
:) thanks again
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chilly - 15 May 2006 20:40 GMT > > Adventures in Belize, is Ian Anderson's place on the mainland. It is more > > about caving, hiking and inland naturalist experiences. They would just be > > acting as a booking agent for you and not as the dive op. > > So, its probably a good idea to go to the operator direct? Absolutely. Why let someone else collect commission for booking your dives for you, when you can do it yourself? Besides, don't you want to be able to pick your own operator rather than have the booking agent selecting for you?
> >>and Gaz Cooper's Dive Belize. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The Blue Hole is something to be seen (at least once) and I guess it would > be kinda pointless not going to see it. Gaz's place being up north on the island of Ambergris Caye has nothing to do with going out to the Blue Hole to dive.
> Do you think it would be a big deal to dive the Blue Hole, and then head up > north? Apples and oranges. Sorry I confused you. I've made some assumptions. First, all of my comments were geared towards you and your buddy heading to San Pedro, on Ambergris Caye, Belize for your diving adventure. The dive sites are 5-15 minutes from shore there, whether you stay in town or up north (on the Caye) at Gaz' place. The difference is, if you stay up north at Gaz', you are pretty isolated. Whereas if you stay in town, you can experience the town, a myriad of restaurants and eateries of varying prices and some nightlife, if that interests you.
The Blue Hole trip is quite expensive, in the neighborhood of $200 US. It takes about 2+ hours to get there. You do the Blue Hole dive and there are two fabulous followup dives out at the Atolls. You will also have lunch on an idyllic island and be served beer and/or rum punches on the trip back. It takes all day long and is a pretty great way to spend a day, but it's pricey, no doubt.
The other thing I will add, is that if you are not advanced divers or that experienced, I do NOT recommend the Blue Hole dive for you. You would be better off not doing it, so save your money.
> > Liveaboards are expensive. Check out these guys: > > http://www.ambergriscayediving.com/ don't worry about the rate you see of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > tanks I guess the price would come down. I was kinda worried as $30 is almost > in line with prices at home (Ireland). I believe that you can get the prices down with a guaranteed number of dives. How it has worked for me in the past, was if I didn't do enough dives, then I had to pay the regular rate, but if I exceeded 10 dives then the rate went down. You will have to discuss this with which ever dive op you go with. Just remember, cheapest isn't always best, especially if you guys are also renting kit.
> > or these guys: http://ambergriscaye.com/discountdive/index.html Ched is > > also an excellent DM and it looks like they've got some pretty good deals. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ok sounds good. Can I drop your name when I e-mail him? :P Go ahead. If you like, I'll drop yours next week when I'm there. Should I just tell him your name is Blu?
> > Keep in mind that it's very very hot in September and also hurricane season, > > though most hurricanes in that area lately, have been in October and > > November. > > Hot is good. Hurricane is not. I will be keeping an eye on the weather then from > here. You might be better off keeping an eye on it from Costa Rica. Hurricanes can blow up in a hurry.
> Are there any satellite maps for the region available on-line anywhere? > It would be nice to track this information in the coming months. Yes, there are. I'll get back to you on that.
> >> thanks in advance, > > > > You are welcome. > > More questions on the way. No worries. That's what we're here for.
> :) > > thanks again You are welcome.
Geoff - 15 May 2006 01:06 GMT >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >b > I spent a week aboard Peter Hughes' Sun Dancer II in June 2003 and had a great time. The Aggressor III sports a hot tub. Both vessels have EAN capability and we dove EAN32 on all dives except the Blue Hole.
http://www.aggressor.com/subpage5.php http://www.peterhughes.com/Sun/Sun_dancerindex.shtml
bluNOboxSPAMthief - 15 May 2006 20:25 GMT Hi Geoff,
Thanks for the reply.
> I spent a week aboard Peter Hughes' Sun Dancer II in June 2003 and had > a great time. The Aggressor III sports a hot tub. Both vessels have > EAN capability and we dove EAN32 on all dives except the Blue Hole. > > http://www.aggressor.com/subpage5.php > http://www.peterhughes.com/Sun/Sun_dancerindex.shtml Ok, so thats two points for Peter Hughes and the Aggressor.
I might give the hot tub a miss tho'. I will be expecting the water to be hot enough gfor me ;)
thanks again,
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Dillon Pyron - 15 May 2006 02:43 GMT Thus spake bluNOboxSPAMthief <newsgroups-spambaiter@runningIHATEwithSPAMbulls.com> :
>Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >b > Peter Hughes and Agressor immediately come to mind. You do know that liveaboards aren't exactly "budget" diving.
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Rosalie B. - 15 May 2006 04:02 GMT >Thus spake bluNOboxSPAMthief ><newsgroups-spambaiter@runningIHATEwithSPAMbulls.com> : [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>thanks in advance, >>b Does no one go to stay on Lighthouse Key anymore?
>Peter Hughes and Agressor immediately come to mind. You do know that >liveaboards aren't exactly "budget" diving. Geoff Schultz - 15 May 2006 12:32 GMT
> Does no one go to stay on Lighthouse Key anymore? The resort at Lighthouse never really opened. There was a half hearted attempt last year, but this year its totally closed. The resort at Sand Bore Cay is closed for renovations this year.
-- Geoff
Daniel Kessler - 15 May 2006 13:43 GMT going to Belize w/o diving the "blue hole" would be like going to Paris and not noticing the Eifel Tower.
Since the "blue hole" is way out there on the edge of Lighthouse Reef and the farthest point from Belize City, save up your money for a live-aboard and do it right. Otherwise, when you get home, your friends will say:
"You went where -- without diving the blue hole?"
I've had two trips to Belize -- one liveaboard and one land based one.
> > Does no one go to stay on Lighthouse Key anymore? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -- Geoff Art Greenberg - 15 May 2006 15:07 GMT > going to Belize w/o diving the "blue hole" would be like going to Paris and > not noticing the Eifel Tower. Maybe the first time. After that, its the "Boring Hole". IMO.
Don't know if it is still done this way, but last time I was there on a liveaboard, this dive counted as 2 dives. It was the first dive of the day, and there was no other diving permitted until after lunch -- even if you didn't choose to participate. Not wonderful.
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bluNOboxSPAMthief - 15 May 2006 20:35 GMT Hi Art,
>> going to Belize w/o diving the "blue hole" would be like going to Paris and >> not noticing the Eifel Tower. > > Maybe the first time. After that, its the "Boring Hole". IMO. Seeing as its our first time there, I think I'll enjoy it ;)
I understand, after a few times it may get "usual" but I don't think that'll happen soon for us ;)
> Don't know if it is still done this way, but last time I was there on a > liveaboard, this dive counted as 2 dives. It was the first dive of the day, > and there was no other diving permitted until after lunch -- even if you > didn't choose to participate. Not wonderful. Herm, this I don't like. can you tell me who that was? I would like to think that we will have a chance to dive as much as possible (conditions permitting).
Also, if we chose to stay onland, is the Blue Hole within distance offshore for two dives in a day?
If this was the case, we may switch our plans to staying on land, and doing excursions offshore.
Any help would be appreciated.
thanks,
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chilly - 15 May 2006 20:44 GMT > Hi Art, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I understand, after a few times it may get "usual" but I don't think that'll > happen soon for us ;) I've been in it 6 times and I still love it. But it is not a pretty Caribbean reef dive. It is dark, it is deep and there's sharks in there.
> > Don't know if it is still done this way, but last time I was there on a > > liveaboard, this dive counted as 2 dives. It was the first dive of the day, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Also, if we chose to stay onland, is the Blue Hole within distance offshore for > two dives in a day? See my other post. You get 3 dives that day, but it's pricey.
> If this was the case, we may switch our plans to staying on land, and doing > excursions offshore. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > thanks, Art Greenberg - 15 May 2006 20:51 GMT > Seeing as its our first time there, I think I'll enjoy it ;) Maybe. IIRC, we got to go to 130 feet, stay for 6-7 minutes, and follow a short deco regime on the way up. It was dark, silty, and there was very little life in there. I did see a stalagtite, a little deeper. All under continuous supervision.
> > Don't know if it is still done this way, but last time I was there on a > > liveaboard, this dive counted as 2 dives. It was the first dive of the day, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Herm, this I don't like. can you tell me who that was? I would like to think > that we will have a chance to dive as much as possible (conditions permitting). It was on the Aggressor. This was some time ago. You should write to them (and Peter Hughes) and ask what they do now.
> Also, if we chose to stay onland, is the Blue Hole within distance offshore > for two dives in a day? I have no idea. I haven't dived Belize from a land-based operation.
> If this was the case, we may switch our plans to staying on land, and doing > excursions offshore. I don't think anything can compare to liveaboard diving, *if* your objective is to dive, and you don't care about other activities. There's nothing like being able to do 4 or 5 dives a day a few steps from your room, with (usually) good food and good company to boot.
I am going back to Belize next year, on the Peter Hughes boat. I won't really mind loosing a (potential) dive the day they visit the Blue Hole, if that's the way they work it. I'm just very much looking forward to the rest of the diving there.
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chilly - 15 May 2006 21:15 GMT > > Seeing as its our first time there, I think I'll enjoy it ;) > > Maybe. IIRC, we got to go to 130 feet, stay for 6-7 minutes, Pretty close, it's about 8 minutes at depth.
>and follow a > short deco regime on the way up. It was dark, silty, and there was very little > life in there. I did see a stalagtite, a little deeper. All under continuous > supervision. You only saw one stalactite?? Check out this picture. Was this the one? http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/galleries/belize/photo3.html
Just kidding. There are a number of stalactites in the hole on the underside of the rim at around 130 feet. I've swum behind, around and beside them, as I said 6 times or so. Here's a great article about the dive along with some cool pictures: http://www.deeperblue.net/article.php/675/3
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Dillon Pyron - 16 May 2006 03:41 GMT >> Seeing as its our first time there, I think I'll enjoy it ;) > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >It was on the Aggressor. This was some time ago. You should write to them (and >Peter Hughes) and ask what they do now. It was that way on the late Wave Dancer.
>> Also, if we chose to stay onland, is the Blue Hole within distance offshore >> for two dives in a day? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >the way they work it. I'm just very much looking forward to the rest of the >diving there.  Signature dillon
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Dillon Pyron - 16 May 2006 03:39 GMT >> going to Belize w/o diving the "blue hole" would be like going to Paris and >> not noticing the Eifel Tower. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >and there was no other diving permitted until after lunch -- even if you >didn't choose to participate. Not wonderful. Our boat voted 20 to 4 to skip the Blue Hole. Since most of us were diving 32%, it would have been a total waste. The 4 who said go were pretty pissed, but that's what you get when you book individually on a boat with a large group.
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Danlw - 25 May 2006 05:32 GMT >> going to Belize w/o diving the "blue hole" would be like going to Paris >> and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and there was no other diving permitted until after lunch -- even if you > didn't choose to participate. Not wonderful. Was there this past Feb. and have to agree. The Blue hole dive was something I would only do once, but he dives out at the Atolls after were great. Check out some of the land based sites like Turneffe Island etc. MUCH closer to the good diving than Ambergris Caye. Regards, Dan
bluNOboxSPAMthief - 15 May 2006 20:31 GMT > going to Belize w/o diving the "blue hole" would be like going to Paris and not > noticing the Eifel Tower. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> -- Geoff In reply to Rosalie, Geoff, and Daniel,
For me I am quite happy to dive anywhere, but from speaking with friends (based in Ireland), they all say that going to the Blue Hole has to be done once. So if we didn't go, I guess I would be kicking myself with the "I wonder what its like".
So, I think we will go to the Blue Hole at least once, just to see what its like.
My other question would be, if we go to the south and Lighthouse Reef, after diving the Blue Hole, what else is around there?
Is there a possibility to travel up north after diving in the south? Or does the south have enough diving for a 4/5 day trip?
I guess the answer is yes, but I would like to hear what you guys hav to say.
thanks for the help everyone,
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Rosalie B. - 16 May 2006 01:01 GMT bluNOboxSPAMthief <newsgroups-spambaiter@runningIHATEwithSPAMbulls.com> wrote:
>> going to Belize w/o diving the "blue hole" would be like going to Paris and not >> noticing the Eifel Tower. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >So, I think we will go to the Blue Hole at least once, just to see what its like. I have only been to Belize once, and I was a fairly new diver at the time. I decided NOT to do the Blue Hole, and I have never been sorry, nor kicked myself wondering what it would be like. I have absolutely no desire to do it even if I were to go to Belize again.
And yes the Eiffel Tower can be boring, especially with all the security that my daughter reports that you have to go through now. I went up when I was 12 in 1950, and I went again in 1964, and it wouldn't be necessary to do it again if I could find my pictures from 1964.
>My other question would be, if we go to the south and Lighthouse Reef, after diving the Blue >Hole, what else is around there? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >thanks for the help everyone, Daniel Kessler - 17 May 2006 01:48 GMT I decided NOT to do the Blue Hole, and I have never been sorry,
> nor kicked myself wondering what it would be like. I have absolutely > no desire to do it even if I were to go to Belize again. How can you say that when you failed to dive it? Perhaps your courage failed you and you were frieightened by the prospect of it.
When we got down below the "lip" of the opening -- it was eerie as hell, with grands of sand slipping away into the abyss (stirred up by divers above), then once below that level, it fans out into a huge gallery that is magnificient. With a further drop, it was getting rather spooky and gave me a frisson (that's and elegant French word for a chill down the spine but English speakers use it too). Next, a hammerhead appeared up from the depths and cruized around -- another frisson!!!
Also, at 165 feet I had my pix taken next to one of those incredible giant stalactites. It was a dive I'll never forget.
> And yes the Eiffel Tower can be boring next time try the food at that restaurant, especially right now with asperge blanche coming in.
I do wish I were in Paris right now -- was there last May -- it was light until after 10 PM with still a deep blue sky and lights of the city coming up -- magic time!
Rosalie B. - 17 May 2006 02:58 GMT >>I decided NOT to do the Blue Hole, and I have never been sorry, >> nor kicked myself wondering what it would be like. I have absolutely >> no desire to do it even if I were to go to Belize again. > >How can you say that when you failed to dive it? Perhaps your courage failed you and you were >frieightened by the prospect of it. Why can I not say that I didn't want to do it, and don't regret doing it?
I didn't FAIL to dive it and I did not have my courage fail me. I just decided to spend my time in other ways. Don't make this so much a macho thing.
Besides which, when I did my OW checkouts, my instructor warned me (and I think she was probably right) that I should be very cautious about going very deep - I have a lot of body fat and she felt that I might get bent.
>When we got down below the "lip" of the opening -- it was eerie as hell, with grands of sand >slipping away into the abyss (stirred up by divers above), then once below that level, it fans [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Also, at 165 feet I had my pix taken next to one of those incredible giant stalactites. It was a >dive I'll never forget. I don't have any particular hang-ups about heights (or depths) but there are some things that I don't think it is wise for me to do, and I don't waste time regretting not doing them.
>> And yes the Eiffel Tower can be boring > >next time try the food at that restaurant, especially right now with asperge blanche coming in. I am unable physically to stand in long lines. Plus, I'd rather see things from high up but closer to the ground.
>I do wish I were in Paris right now -- was there last May -- it was light until after 10 PM with >still a deep blue sky and lights of the city coming up -- magic time! Yes, Paris itself is wonderful. It's just not necessary to go up the Eiffel Tower each time you visit to feel that your visit is complete.
Greg Mossman - 17 May 2006 06:34 GMT > I didn't FAIL to dive it and I did not have my courage fail me. I > just decided to spend my time in other ways. Don't make this so much > a macho thing.
> I am unable physically to stand in long lines. Plus, I'd rather see > things from high up but closer to the ground. Perhaps if they had a hand-held Blue Hole with no long lines?
Pffththhth.
Daniel Kessler - 17 May 2006 19:53 GMT > Yes, Paris itself is wonderful. It's just not necessary to go up the > Eiffel Tower each time you visit to feel that your visit is complete. I would say that since 1959, I've been to Paris at least 150 times, perhaps more ...I used to go four times a year -- you do the math.
I've even stopped off there on my way to the Seychellles and later...the Maldives to dive and also on an around the world trip I did, coming home via Singapore, San Francisco and on to New York.
Rosalie B. - 18 May 2006 03:22 GMT >> Yes, Paris itself is wonderful. It's just not necessary to go up the >> Eiffel Tower each time you visit to feel that your visit is complete. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I've even stopped off there on my way to the Seychellles and later...the Maldives to dive and also on >an around the world trip I did, coming home via Singapore, San Francisco and on to New York. And your point is?
Daniel Kessler - 18 May 2006 15:13 GMT my point is...you should get a life!
> >> Yes, Paris itself is wonderful. It's just not necessary to go up the > >> Eiffel Tower each time you visit to feel that your visit is complete. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > And your point is? Dan Bracuk - 15 May 2006 22:48 GMT Daniel Kessler <dkessler@pop.cybernex.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:going to Belize w/o diving the "blue hole" would be like going to Paris and not :noticing the Eifel Tower. Never been to Paris. Is the Eifel Tower boring?
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
bluNOboxSPAMthief - 15 May 2006 20:26 GMT Hi Dillon,
> Peter Hughes and Agressor immediately come to mind. You do know that > liveaboards aren't exactly "budget" diving. thanks for the pointers on Peter Hughes and The Aggressor. The points are clocking up for them.
They will definately get an e-mail to see whats what.
thanks
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Dillon Pyron - 16 May 2006 03:48 GMT Thus spake bluNOboxSPAMthief <newsgroups-spambaiter@runningIHATEwithSPAMbulls.com> :
>Hi Dillon, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >thanks According to my log book, I did 32 dives that week, with Thursday afternoon off as an off gassing picnic.
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I didn't climb to the top of the food chain to become a vegetarian.
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