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Amanda - 13 Feb 2006 07:53 GMT
Hi all...

I'm going on a 7-day eastern Caribbean cruise in mid-April (working on
the ship but I get time off while in port).

The ship offers dive excursions for a price. Should I sign up for those
or try to get my own deal off the boat?

Docked time is limited, so I know the ship's own excursions would at
least be on the right schedule.

Anyone have experience with this?

-Amanda
Grumman-581 - 13 Feb 2006 08:12 GMT
> Docked time is limited, so I know the ship's own excursions would at
> least be on the right schedule.

It depends upon how limited the docked time might be... Remember the concept
of "island time"?  Well, on some of the islands, they specialize in that
concept... I remember once in Coz waiting for a boat that was *supposed* to
leave at around 12:30... It ended up leaving around 15:00... If you book it
via the ship, they say that the ship (supposedly) will not sail without
you... You'll pay more and it'll probably be a cattle boat instead of a
6-pack...
Joe English - 13 Feb 2006 13:19 GMT
>>Docked time is limited, so I know the ship's own excursions would at
>>least be on the right schedule.
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> you... You'll pay more and it'll probably be a cattle boat instead of a
> 6-pack...

there may also be an hour difference between island time and cruise boat
time.

I've done both.  If the scuba is booked through the cruise - you will
make it bake it back to the ship.  It is more expensive, more crowded,
and take you to sites that are easy to get and easy to get back.  They
tend to be shorter.

I have down my own including St Thomas was it was me an the dive master
in the water - tremendous dive and plenty of bottom time.
Reef Fish - 13 Feb 2006 14:02 GMT
> Hi all...
>
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> The ship offers dive excursions for a price. Should I sign up for those
> or try to get my own deal off the boat?

With rare exceptions, get your own deal.   The rare exception
would be Grand Cayman, but that's on the Western Caribbean.

Grummy and Joe talked about Coz and local time.  No sweat there.
The captain of the dive boat of my shop even bribe the cruiseship
pier guards to let me return directly to the Puerta Maya pier steps,
saving me a least 200 yards of walking from the entrance of the
pier.

One advantage of booking your own is that you're not likely to
end up in cattle boats of clueless divers (which are the majority
of the cruise ship divers).

I recall one instance diving in one of the obscure islands in
French Polynesia (where the cruise ship had no dive arrangements).
The cruise ship director found me a travel brochure listing TWO
dive shops close to the pier.   I did the usual for such last minute
booking adventures -- had my wife ready to leave with all gears
packed, and I did the shop hunting.   In this particular case,
BOTH shops in the Travel Guide went out of business TWO YEARS
before.  :-)   That was how current the guide books were.

So, after the wild goose chase starting at 8 am, the earliest leave
from the ship, I saw a boat with dive gear setup, on my way back
to the ship about 8:40 am -- it turned out to be a new dive shop
there -- arranged for them to wait a few minutes for us, and we
were off to a dive at 9 am that morning.   That's adventurous
diving in paradise.

> Docked time is limited, so I know the ship's own excursions would at
> least be on the right schedule.
>
> Anyone have experience with this?

"Do bears sh*t in the woods?" as they say,

I was on the dive boat one time with 3 divers who had the wrong
time in Coz.   They saw their ship leaving on our return to the
downtown pier, and the radio halted the ship, and their were taken
to the waiting ship by the pilot boat.   Didn't know what it cost them.

I had written about these indicents in the archives, if you want to
look for details, or my dives from an Eastern Caribbean cruise
on the Royal Caribbean.

-- Bob.
Joe English - 13 Feb 2006 18:43 GMT
>>Hi all...
>>
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> end up in cattle boats of clueless divers (which are the majority
> of the cruise ship divers).

The Numero Uno Reason to book your own - cattle boats (clueless too
(sometimes that's me))  Each one I did thru Royal Caribbean they were
cattle boats - with way to many divers.  The last on in St Martin there
were three groups of 16.  Lucky for me I was last in and had a bunch of
air suckers.  So the water was pretty much empty when I had half a
bottle left.

My point doing thru the boat is sometimes it is safer(time wise)

> -- Bob.
Dillon Pyron - 14 Feb 2006 03:35 GMT
>>>Hi all...
>>>
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>air suckers.  So the water was pretty much empty when I had half a
>bottle left.

I've had good experiences and bad experiences booking through the
ship.  Good: 8 reasonably experienced divers on the boat along with a
"go with the flow" DM. We did two good dives with "agressive"
profiles.  Bad: 14 other divers with little to no experience (two just
certified).  DM got pissed at us for not going up "on time".  Okay
dives, but nothing great.  Second dive was Paradise South.  We spent
so much time on the bottom that we didn't have our gear stowed by the
time the boat got back to the pier.  Crew seemed a little anxious and
almost pissed until I started tipping.  I think we were the only ones
who did so.

The problem with booking your own in Cozumel is that the ship usually
gets in after the morning boat leave and leaves before the afternoon
boats get back.  And now, with tendering, that's even more of a
problem.

Can't speak to the Eastern ITN, might not hurt to check with with some
shops.

>My point doing thru the boat is sometimes it is safer(time wise)

It's certainly more convenient.

>> -- Bob.
>>
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Reef Fish - 14 Feb 2006 06:57 GMT
> >> With rare exceptions, get your own deal.   The rare exception
> >> would be Grand Cayman, but that's on the Western Caribbean.
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> gets in after the morning boat leave and leaves before the afternoon
> boats get back.

But there are other shops, such as the Caballitos del Caribe shop
I've been diving with for several years now.  Starts the morning dive
at 10 am.   Perfect for my land-based Cozumel dives, as in next
week;  also perfect for the times I've dived with them from the
cruise ship.   Plenty of time to get back to the boat by 5 pm.

I don't know of any shop in Cozumel that I cannot ARRANGE
for them to start the morning dive pickup at 10 am, or 11 am,
or ... just about any time you name it.   Just have to make advance
arrangement that's all.   Money talks, and if you dive in Coz often
you money talks even louder.   :-)

-- Bob.
Dillon Pyron - 14 Feb 2006 19:47 GMT
>> >> With rare exceptions, get your own deal.   The rare exception
>> >> would be Grand Cayman, but that's on the Western Caribbean.
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>arrangement that's all.   Money talks, and if you dive in Coz often
>you money talks even louder.   :-)

Money talks, hundred dollar bill yell.

I'll get with you off line before our next cruise to get some
recommendations.  Vacations are now at least a year off.  Maybe
Disneyworld after the Christmas crush.

>-- Bob.
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There is only the now

Reef Fish - 14 Feb 2006 22:35 GMT
> >> >> With rare exceptions, get your own deal.   The rare exception
> >> >> would be Grand Cayman, but that's on the Western Caribbean.
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>
> Money talks, hundred dollar bill yell.

Actually, the money I was talking about was just the money you pay
for the REGULAR charges for dives.  Many shops are happy to get
your dive money by changing the schedule -- it's much better for
them than sitting with an empty boat.  :-)

> I'll get with you off line before our next cruise to get some
> recommendations.

You can check out Caballitos del Caribe now, at their regular
price and schedule, without talking loud waving pesos.  :-)

http://www.seahorsecozumel.com/scuba.html

If you want to know some small shops with "flexible schedules"
you can write me when your landlocked existence is about to
expire.

> Vacations are now at least a year off.

You may forget how to dive by then.  :-)

-- Bob.
Greg Mossman - 15 Feb 2006 03:09 GMT
> Actually, the money I was talking about was just the money you pay
> for the REGULAR charges for dives.  Many shops are happy to get
> your dive money by changing the schedule -- it's much better for
> them than sitting with an empty boat.  :-)

> You can check out Caballitos del Caribe now, at their regular
> price and schedule, without talking loud waving pesos.  :-)

Hear, hear.  I e-mailed Caballitos about our upcoming trip, giving them a
complex schedule to accommodate diving with you guys in the morning, and
setting up additional dives for me and Janna for afternoons/nights (it will
be stretching into night by the time we make our fourth dive given their 10
a.m. start time).  As they are but one of fifty or so shops all competing
for the few divers that can fit in the few hotels that are open
post-hurricane (plus the divers willing to risk the delays of being tendered
off their cruiseships), their reply e-mail was a resounding "no problem".
If all runs according to plan, I'll wave some pesos at them when we're
through.

I pick the regs up from the shop tomorrow, and the rest of my gear is almost
ready.  Wetsuits are still drying outside, masks and assorted tidbits still
soaking, and the fins start their bath tomorrow.  As it's been only a month
and a week since my last dive trip, I'm proud that I was able to clean my
gear in time before we leave next Thursday.  Now I just have to keep my
fingers crossed that the winds will favorably bless the occasion of my
extended birthday celebration and keep the port open for Caballitos' little
boat.
Reef Fish - 15 Feb 2006 07:47 GMT
> > Actually, the money I was talking about was just the money you pay
> > for the REGULAR charges for dives.  Many shops are happy to get
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> be stretching into night by the time we make our fourth dive given their 10
> a.m. start time).

I beat you to it saving your two seats on our boat.  Richardo (their
instructor)
was the new reservation guy replacing Marco, and he was still learning
the
ropes about their email boxes, I think.   He sent me 9 confirmations,
the
first 8 within a few minutes, and the 9th one from a different box.
:-)  So,
I think you have your slots whether you had emailed them or not.

I thought you were arriving in the afternoon of the 24th and had
planned
to dive the afternoon.   I had booked you two for two days of morning
2-tank dives on the 25th and 26th.   If that's wrong by a date, there
will
be no problem switching them.   They can whip out a boat a crew within
an hour's notice.

> As they are but one of fifty or so shops

Make that at least 100.  :-)   The total count is actually 200, but
some
of those come and go as out-of-business one day  and in-business
another.   There are lots of one-man-bands too that few people know
about yet terrific guys to dive with.

> all competing
> for the few divers that can fit in the few hotels that are open
> post-hurricane (plus the divers willing to risk the delays of being tendered
> off their cruiseships), their reply e-mail was a resounding "no problem".
> If all runs according to plan, I'll wave some pesos at them when we're
> through.

Boatiquette in Cozumel is to wave a few everyday -- because the crew
may change, even though in your case, it probably won't.   That's why
when I am there two weeks, they know they can count on pesos or
dollars for tips everyday.  :-)

I think I might have written this about the time I booked from the
internet
on the ship and telling them we might have some others joining us.  But
it turned out we didn't have any extra, and Sue couldn't dive, but
Giovanni's boat was waiting there when I got to town, and i had the
entire boat all by myself, at the same dive price.   But Giovanni and
the DM (not sure if was Adrian that time), got extra tips grande.

> I pick the regs up from the shop tomorrow, and the rest of my gear is almost
> ready.  Wetsuits are still drying outside, masks and assorted tidbits still
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> extended birthday celebration and keep the port open for Caballitos' little
> boat.

I hope you got your dates straight.   I had you on the 24th and leaving

the 27th shooting for 8 dives, 2 in afternoon of 24th, 4 on 25, and 2
on
26.  If not, let me know privately.   I'll be at my usual suite the
entire time.

-- Bob.
Greg Mossman - 15 Feb 2006 23:40 GMT
> I beat you to it saving your two seats on our boat.  Richardo (their
> instructor)
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> :-)  So,
> I think you have your slots whether you had emailed them or not.

Nine confirmations are certainly better than one.

> I thought you were arriving in the afternoon of the 24th and had
> planned
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> be no problem switching them.   They can whip out a boat a crew within
> an hour's notice.

Wrong by a date.  We get in on Thursday the 23rd, to dive that afternoon,
and the following two days (24th and 25th).  Statistically it's still the
same number of dives.  I'll e-mail Richardo to undo all nine of your
confirmations and reconfirm my original confirmation.

I was also planning on calling them from the plane, assuming that I get
upgraded on the IAH-CZM
leg and have access to a phone.  60 cents/minute for Verizon Wireless
customers is a mighty fine deal, or I can pay $10 a month and talk for only
10 cents/minute.  I think I'm signing up for the latter since my stores are
changing to a new check processing system the very day I leave for Bali
(July 1) and I'll be able to spend my 18 hours of flight time very
productively.  Even if I sat on the phone constantly all 1,080 minutes of
the trip, I'd only be stuck with a $108 phone bill.

> Boatiquette in Cozumel is to wave a few everyday -- because the crew
> may change, even though in your case, it probably won't.   That's why
> when I am there two weeks, they know they can count on pesos or
> dollars for tips everyday.  :-)

I agree with that.  Besides, even if you have the same crew, if they think
you're not tipping at all, service might deteriorate on subsequent days.

See you next week.
Reef Fish - 16 Feb 2006 03:13 GMT
> > I thought you were arriving in the afternoon of the 24th and had
> > planned to dive the afternoon.
>
> Wrong by a date.  We get in on Thursday the 23rd, to dive that afternoon,
> and the following two days (24th and 25th).

My bad.   Should have checked the archives.   I know where I got the
24th arrival from:

> We'll have your 38-year-old late birthday drink at the Large
> Penhouse Suite at the Bahia on the 24th.

I had thought THAT was your arrival data.   You hardly have time for
a drink on the 24th if you plan to do 4 dives that day starting at 10.

> Statistically it's still the
> same number of dives.  I'll e-mail Richardo to undo all nine of your
> confirmations and reconfirm my original confirmation.

The confirmation was on MY dates!   Diving six days,  22-27
inclusive.   Your dives don't need any confirmation until the
actual day of the dives.  :-)

Now Richardo will be thoroughly confused.   But I'll have it all
straighten out when I arrive on the 21st -- hey that's less than
a week!

> See you next week.

I'll be at the same room, MY suite, during my entire stay.

-- Bob.
Greg Mossman - 16 Feb 2006 08:34 GMT
> My bad.   Should have checked the archives.   I know where I got the
> 24th arrival from:
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> I had thought THAT was your arrival data.   You hardly have time for
> a drink on the 24th if you plan to do 4 dives that day starting at 10.

I was wondering why I had to wait until the 24th for my birthday drink, but
who was I to argue?  Regardless, I shall endeavor to drink both nights.  If
I can sleep late for a 10 a.m. boat departure, I might as well earn that
late sleep.  And since you're a non-drinker, I'll be celebrating for the
both of us.
Reef Fish - 16 Feb 2006 16:05 GMT
> >> We'll have your 38-year-old late birthday drink at the Large
> >> Penhouse Suite at the Bahia on the 24th.
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> I was wondering why I had to wait until the 24th for my birthday drink, but
> who was I to argue?  Regardless, I shall endeavor to drink both nights.

I doubt it you'll pass up the opportunity on the 3rd night, ESPECIALLY
that night, the 25th, because all you have to make sure is to be able
to crawl down the stairs of the Bahia to get into a cab for the 12:15
pm
flight.

> And since you're a non-drinker, I'll be celebrating for the  both of us.

The only thing "absolute" is the "Absolute Zero" of Kelvin.  :-)  While
I
"don't drink" in the sense that my total annual consumption of
alcoholic breverages may not exceed what you consume in an hour,
I never make an issue of taking a sip while others are gulping, when
the occasion calls for it.

When I visited my friend Strike in Sydney who rounded up a barbecue
party in our honor with exquite food (such as kangaroo and emu meat
among others) and good spirit(s), I sipped what he called his premier
grand cru phyco-plonk (an alleged wine brewed  inside the BCD of
one of the divers), while he gagged (on first gulp) of the Georgia
Moonshine (190 proof I think) I brought.   According to the tall
drinking
tales told by both of you, my estimate is that Strike would just be
warming up when you're already stone drunk.  Quite a guy.

Strike and I and a group of the pros in the ADEX Expo in 2004 in
Singapore also had a drink in the famous Long Bar of Ruffles, and
then went diving in Bali.

Of course we had more of his phyco-plonk (I did stick to Coke this
time :-)) at the barbecue lunch at Strike's Reef in Sydney less than
2 weeks ago.

I had written a lengthy intro about Strike's (that's what he is called)
credentials when he unexpectedly dropped in on rec.scuba when
I was being flamed by a gang of Aldora IDIOTS in 2000, especially
one who lied about my drinking.

Strike started with his (by now) immortal line, on stepping into
rec.scuba.

Strike> Forgive my butting in - and coming out of lurker
Strike> mode into a place where I feel as though I'm
Strike> about to put my pecker into a sackful of ferrets -

http://tinyurl.com/c6uuh

Strike proceeded to set the Aldora IDIOTS straight on my
drinking habits, and other things targeted by the flamers.  :-)

To the "lying bitch" (who complained when I referred to
her as a "lady") in my post, who lied about my drinking
on the plane.

Aldora B > was Dr. Ling's statement that he could leave
> Atlanta in the morning and  he would be in the water
> diving THAT  afternoon... I would call diving
> after >several double liquors on the rocks for
> breakfast rather unsafe.

Strike> Wow!  You must be some awfully tempting sort if
Strike> you got Bob to have a drink!  :-)

And then "John Appel" (another Aldora IDIOT) wrote:
JA > Thanks for the insightful and detailed
JA > description of your distasteful encounter with
JA>  the Reef Fish. Your perceptions are RIGHT ON.
JA> I, and many others who've talked about Bob but
JA> never met him, have always  suspected that he
JA> was a drunk. Nice to know we  were right.

Strike> Eh!  Bob Ling is one of the few folks that I've
Strike> been privileged to meet and dive with who DOESN'T
Strike> drink!!!

I haven't been accused of being a drunk in rec.scuba ever
since.   :-)

So, Greg, have no fear.   I am neither a drunk nor an absolute
abstainer.   Just a nice guy <tm>  IDIOTS likes to flame.  :-)

BTW, as I had mentioned, this trip was my "last fling" on my
CO Platinum status which expires on March 1 (which was why
I am leaving on Feb 28),  I have just received notice that my
flights on the 21st had been upgraded to First Class.   That's
one of the perks of Platinum (can be confirm upgraded 5 days
before departure).

I might even pick up a free mini-bottle ot two on the flights for
YOUR birthday drink!   What's the best brand one can get on
a plane?   All I know is that some of the better brands are available
on CO's  international flights (and IAH/CZM would be one).

-- Bob.
Greg Mossman - 16 Feb 2006 17:49 GMT
> I doubt it you'll pass up the opportunity on the 3rd night, ESPECIALLY
> that night, the 25th, because all you have to make sure is to be able
> to crawl down the stairs of the Bahia to get into a cab for the 12:15
> pm
> flight.

Actually I prefer to fly home somewhat sober and non-hungover.  It makes the
flight go a bit easier, especially if one is crammed in coach.  On the other
hand, diving is perfect for hangovers since you end up weightless and
inhaling high PPO2.

> The only thing "absolute" is the "Absolute Zero" of Kelvin.  :-)  While
> I
> "don't drink" in the sense that my total annual consumption of
> alcoholic breverages may not exceed what you consume in an hour,
> I never make an issue of taking a sip while others are gulping, when
> the occasion calls for it.

That's quite alright.  Even I occasionally make an attempt to stay sober
when the occasion calls for it.

> tales told by both of you, my estimate is that Strike would just be
> warming up when you're already stone drunk.  Quite a guy.

Maybe so.  Still, I had to have several drinks before I met Popeye in
Atlanta to ring up a $450 bar tab since I didn't want to end the night too
sober.

> Strike and I and a group of the pros in the ADEX Expo in 2004 in
> Singapore also had a drink in the famous Long Bar of Ruffles, and
> then went diving in Bali.

Raffles?  Ruffles are potato chips.

> I had written a lengthy intro about Strike's (that's what he is called)
> credentials when he unexpectedly dropped in on rec.scuba when
> I was being flamed by a gang of Aldora IDIOTS in 2000, especially
> one who lied about my drinking.

The Kahlua incident?  I recall that.

> BTW, as I had mentioned, this trip was my "last fling" on my
> CO Platinum status which expires on March 1 (which was why
> I am leaving on Feb 28),  I have just received notice that my
> flights on the 21st had been upgraded to First Class.   That's
> one of the perks of Platinum (can be confirm upgraded 5 days
> before departure).

I'll find out Monday about my upgrade (3 days ahead for lowly Gold).  Even
if I'm stuck in coach for the red-eye LAX-IAH leg, it won't be too bad since
I'm in 10F.

> I might even pick up a free mini-bottle ot two on the flights for
> YOUR birthday drink!   What's the best brand one can get on
> a plane?   All I know is that some of the better brands are available
> on CO's  international flights (and IAH/CZM would be one).

Hands down, mini-bottles of Courvoisier cognac are easily the best deal on
the flight.  A restaurant will charge $10+ for the ounce that costs $5 in
coach and is free in first class.  I often "sweeten" my airplane coffee with
that.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 17 Feb 2006 01:16 GMT
from "Greg Mossman"

>> While I "don't drink" in the sense that my total annual consumption of
>> alcoholic breverages may not exceed what you consume in an hour,
>> I never make an issue of taking a sip while others are gulping, when
>> the occasion calls for it.

   Well damn, Bob, there's something you may actually brag about and not
catch any "razzing" from me.

Curtis
Lee Bell - 17 Feb 2006 02:20 GMT
""Magilla"" wrote

>>> While I "don't drink" in the sense that my total annual consumption of
>>> alcoholic breverages may not exceed what you consume in an hour,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>    Well damn, Bob, there's something you may actually brag about and not
> catch any "razzing" from me.

Sounds like redefining "is" to me.  Everything he's written in the past said
he didn't drink at all.  Must just have been oversight.  couldn't possibly
be wrong, or a lie.

Guess he doesn't drink the same way he doesn't go into any overhead
environments.

Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 17 Feb 2006 03:16 GMT
> Sounds like redefining "is" to me.  Everything he's written in the past
> said he didn't drink at all.  Must just have been oversight.  couldn't
> possibly be wrong, or a lie.
>
> Guess he doesn't drink the same way he doesn't go into any overhead
> environments.

   Not sure if I'd liken the two, although a lot do fudge the overhead
thingy, said without condoning.

   I can only think of one person who absolutely did not drink, and that
was my father.  Interesting, a WW-2 Marine combat vet a complete
non-drinker, but quite true.  Only time I _EVER_ saw him drink was at my
sister's wedding reception, when he assumed the 13 yo's (guilty) were
drinking the unspiked punch, I damn sure wasn't gonna tell him.

   Everyone else I can think of that says they "don't drink" makes
exception to that occasional one or two.  I sometimes claim it myself rather
than explain exactly how seldom it is.  Literally, not true, but virtually,
it is.

   So, if it's at least a close description, I'll let Bob slide.......on
this one.   ;-)

Curtis
Greg Mossman - 17 Feb 2006 03:48 GMT
>    I can only think of one person who absolutely did not drink, and that
> was my father.  Interesting, a WW-2 Marine combat vet a complete
> non-drinker, but quite true.  Only time I _EVER_ saw him drink was at my
> sister's wedding reception, when he assumed the 13 yo's (guilty) were
> drinking the unspiked punch, I damn sure wasn't gonna tell him.

I can't believe he didn't get drunk after bringing his 30-lb bouncing baby
Magilla back from the hospital, over worry he'd go broke feeding you.

>    So, if it's at least a close description, I'll let Bob slide.......on
> this one.   ;-)

I'll be there to report the truth, unless Bob bribes me with enough drinks
to lie.
Reef Fish - 17 Feb 2006 16:51 GMT
> >    I can only think of one person who absolutely did not drink, and that
> > was my father.  Interesting, a WW-2 Marine combat vet a complete
> > non-drinker, but quite true.  Only time I _EVER_ saw him drink was at my
> > sister's wedding reception, when he assumed the 13 yo's (guilty) were
> > drinking the unspiked punch, I damn sure wasn't gonna tell him.

Pedantic IDIOT Lee Bell would have said you LIED about your
father's "did not drink".   He drank at your sister's wedding didn't
he?

> I can't believe he didn't get drunk after bringing his 30-lb bouncing baby
> Magilla back from the hospital, over worry he'd go broke feeding you.
>
> >    So, if it's at least a close description, I'll let Bob slide.......on
> > this one.   ;-)

I had raised the bar a couple of notches on the gorilla on his good
sense about drinking.   His brain cells seem to have slipped back to
the same size that fit the flea's navel together with Lee's entire
brain and knowledge about scuba.    <BG>

> I'll be there to report the truth, unless Bob bribes me with enough drinks
> to lie.

Why would I need to say anymore, after this proclamation in the
year 2000 that had silenced all the liars and idiots in rec.scuba
about my drinking, except DING DONG Lee Bell of course:

Strike> Eh!  Bob Ling is one of the few folks that I've
Strike> been privileged to meet and dive with who DOESN'T
Strike> drink!!!

Lee said I was lying.   I am waiting to see how Lee Bell is going
to wiggle out of calling Strike a liar.    :-)   Lee is so SUPER
STOOPID when it comes to simple commonsense and logic
that defies the mind of any sane person.

Speaking of drinks, you said

GM>  Hands down, mini-bottles of Courvoisier cognac are easily
GM>  the best deal on the flight.  A restaurant will charge $10+
GM>  for the ounce that costs $5 in coach and is free in first class.

That's the best they can do?   I thought they might have something
like the Johnny Walker Blue ($150 a bottle?) that I used to think
the Johnny Walker Black ($40 a bottle?) was good.

As it turned out, Sue has brought back 4 mini-bottles from our
FREE mini-bar set up on our NZ-Sydney 10-day cruise.  We were
given 10 FREE bottles as an "Elite" (16 or more cruises on
Princess) among other perks.   6 of those bottles were all Sue
could drink during or after the cruise, so we STILL have those
left-over mini-bottles we can bring for your birthday drink <G>
and they include:

                    2      Courvoisier cognac   VSOP
                    1      Grand Marnier

So, even if I don't those those in the First Class of Continental,
we have your birthday drink covered.  :-)    You can keep those
empty mini-bottles and the next time you see Lee, you can tell
where to shove those.   Hahahaha.

-- Bob.
bob crownfield - 17 Feb 2006 19:53 GMT
Pedantic IDIOT  LIED  brain cells slipped back
fit the flea's navel entire brain and knowledge
silenced all the liars idiots  DING DONG lying.
SUPER STOOPID simple commonsense defies mind sane

!!!

> -- Bob.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 17 Feb 2006 21:51 GMT
> Pedantic IDIOT Lee Bell would have said you LIED about your
> father's "did not drink".   He drank at your sister's wedding didn't
> he?

   Um, Lee is quite intelligent enough to realize intent has something to
do with it.

Curtis
Lee Bell - 21 Feb 2006 02:32 GMT
> Lee said I was lying.   I am waiting to see how Lee Bell is going
> to wiggle out of calling Strike a liar.    :-)

Stike specifically asked you not to include anything written by him in a
forum he's not part of.  We see how little respect you have for the desires
of other.  No surprise there.

Second, I have no reason to call Strike a liar.  I've always know him to be
quite careful to tell the truth as he understands it.  I'm sure that
anything he posted relative to you was, to the best of his knowledge, the
truth.

You, however, by your own words, are proven a liar and every single person
reading this thread knows it.

Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 17 Feb 2006 22:02 GMT
> I'll be there to report the truth, unless Bob bribes me with enough drinks
> to lie.

   If he does, take him for a ride, you drive.......

   Post the drive report, while you're at it, post the car.....

Curtis
chilly - 18 Feb 2006 10:53 GMT
> > I'll be there to report the truth, unless Bob bribes me with enough drinks
> > to lie.
>
>     If he does, take him for a ride, you drive.......
>
>     Post the drive report, while you're at it, post the car.....

One can only hope that Greg gets it wrong yet again and goes the opposite
way on the one way street and that the geezer . . .

well, you get my point.
Ron Lee - 17 Feb 2006 15:04 GMT
>    Everyone else I can think of that says they "don't drink" makes
>exception to that occasional one or two.  I sometimes claim it myself rather
>than explain exactly how seldom it is.  Literally, not true, but virtually,
>it is.

I don't drink.  Period.  Classic Coke for me thanks.

Ron Lee
Reef Fish - 17 Feb 2006 16:03 GMT
> >    Everyone else I can think of that says they "don't drink" makes
> >exception to that occasional one or two.  I sometimes claim it myself rather
> >than explain exactly how seldom it is.  Literally, not true, but virtually,
> >it is.

I never had to, or feel the need to explain it to anyone except when
I run across "Pedantic IDIOTS" <a new tm> like Lee Bell who wants
to insist something literally just for the sake of ARGUING, that I
explain just to show how STUPID people like DING DONG Lee is.

Speaking of exceptions, that applies only by Lee on himself, as
in his "name calling".

> I don't drink.  Period.  Classic Coke for me thanks.
>
> Ron Lee

I would strike the "Period".   Then every sane person would have
understood what you meant.   The "Period" simply invite "Padantic
IDIOTS" to argue.

-- Bob.
Ron Lee - 17 Feb 2006 19:35 GMT
>> I don't drink.  Period.  Classic Coke for me thanks.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>understood what you meant.   The "Period" simply invite "Padantic
>IDIOTS" to argue.

You can post as you wish.  I would not CAPITALIZE every fourth word
like you do to EMPHASIZE something that MOST people would understand
WITHOUT it.

Ron Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 17 Feb 2006 21:50 GMT
> You can post as you wish.  I would not CAPITALIZE every fourth word
> like you do to EMPHASIZE something that MOST people would understand
> WITHOUT it.

   He probably has some illusion that we are his eager students hanging on
his every word.

   If his behavior now is any indication, someone handed him his a.s in
2000 too?

Curtis
chilly - 18 Feb 2006 10:49 GMT
> > You can post as you wish.  I would not CAPITALIZE every fourth word
> > like you do to EMPHASIZE something that MOST people would understand
> > WITHOUT it.
>
>     He probably has some illusion that we are his eager students hanging on
> his every word.

Hmm . . . . you don't say.

>     If his behavior now is any indication, someone handed him his a.s in
> 2000 too?

Hmm, doesn't seem to be any different for him or his
bob crownfield - 17 Feb 2006 19:48 GMT
 "Pedantic IDIOTS"  ARGUING,  STUPID  DING DONG
sane "Padantic IDIOTS" .

> -- Bob.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 17 Feb 2006 21:51 GMT
>> >    Everyone else I can think of that says they "don't drink" makes
>> >exception to that occasional one or two.  I sometimes claim it myself
>> >rather
>> >than explain exactly how seldom it is.  Literally, not true, but
>> >virtually,
>> >it is.

> I never had to, or feel the need to explain it to anyone except when
> I run across "Pedantic IDIOTS"

   Then you have very limited experience.

   1) Occasional has different meanings.  To some, an occasional drink
means twice a week, and to that person I would be considered a non-drinker.

   2) Sometimes easier to refuse a host's offer if you emphasize the idea
of seldom, and now is not the time.

   3) I don't consider someone an idiot for polite invitations that I am
politely declining by explaining it's me, not them.

   4) Only one point allowing to slide, I'm still gonna bust you on being a
conceited old buffoon.  Don't let the truth get in the way of your fantasy.

Curtis
Dick G. - 18 Feb 2006 01:03 GMT
On another newsgroup where Bob is having a problem coexisting with the
locals, Pond Scum accused me of being an  "Oh no.  That's a very real 72
year old Jew who is Danni Goldhaber's
dad and who pops at least 7 pills every morning to get his mouth
moving -- all of these FACTS came from your dad Dickhead's mouth."

Do you not believe that Pond Scum said that?

http://tinyurl.com/cctjn

Then you have to believe that brown bears don't sh.t in the woods
Signature

DG in Cherry Hill, NJ

>    4) Only one point allowing to slide, I'm still gonna bust you on being
> a conceited old buffoon.  Don't let the truth get in the way of your
> fantasy.
>
> Curtis
Reef Fish - 18 Feb 2006 05:48 GMT
> On another newsgroup where Bob is having a problem coexisting with the
> locals, Pond Scum accused me of being an  "Oh no.  That's a very real 72
> year old Jew who is Danni Goldhaber's
> dad and who pops at least 7 pills every morning to get his mouth
> moving -- all of these FACTS came from your dad Dickhead's mouth."

Can you point out an "inaccuracy" about anything in your cited quote??

> Do you not believe that Pond Scum said that?

Reef Fosj saod tjat!!  Using what DIckhead posted about himself, on
his 72nd birthday!    He and DING DONG Bell will have a tight
race for "Foot Shooting Champion" of newsgroups.

> http://tinyurl.com/cctjn

Dickhead had not posted in rec.travel.AIR before, as he had
not posted in rec.scuba.location before.   Dickhead, keep YOUR
trash where you had been BURIED by my reply THERE, exposing
in detail, using your own reference, your LIES.

Some folks here know how to it up from the archives, but they
probable don't need to, because they know if I said I buried
you, they know I buried you.

http://tinyurl.com/aufhn

> Then you have to believe that brown bears don't sh.t in the woods

Where do they sh.t?   On your dinner plate?    :-)
> --
> DG in Cherry Hill, NJ

You should meet Hugh Huntzinger some day.   He has 10 years on
you in his "permanent grudge" against me.

Hey, this Festival of the Dysfunctional Gang is attracking even the
Dysfunctional from rec.travel.cruises -- the one and only DIckhead
there.   I have already buried him before seeing him here:

http://tinyurl.com/7d8v4

No need to re-do anything for the scuba Dysfuntionals.  I think
you're just trying to apply for membership in that Gang.

I can give them my endorsement of you, Dickhead.

-- Bob.
Reef Fish - 18 Feb 2006 14:28 GMT
> Hey, this Festival of the Dysfunctional Gang is attracking even the
> Dysfunctional from rec.travel.cruises

OOps - Reef Fish was mistaken. Imagine that. Made a tiny LITTLE
mistake.

It was Reef Fish who started cross-posting. But Reef Fish can do that
because Reef Fish's ego always deserves a bigger audience. Period.

> I think you're just trying to apply for membership in that Gang.

To celebrate, Reef Fish will host a New Membership Party. Reef Fish has
plenty of booze at home: dozens of tiny bottles stolen from cruise
ships and airplane rides. Reef Fish does not ever lie: most of these
bottles are still full. Period.

The party will be held at 8201 Gatehouse Crossing, Chatanooga, TN,
37421 on the first Saturday in April.  Reef Fish finds that date to be
appropriate. You had better be impressed with Reef Fish because Reef
Fish paid $243,000 for this house in March 1998. If you cannot
attended, you can telephone (423) 892-3585 to have the honor of talking
with the Almighty Reef Fish.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 18 Feb 2006 17:44 GMT
> To celebrate, Reef Fish will host a New Membership Party. Reef Fish has
> plenty of booze at home: dozens of tiny bottles stolen from cruise
> ships and airplane rides. Reef Fish does not ever lie: most of these
> bottles are still full. Period.

   Does not ever lie?  Hmmmmm

> The party will be held at 8201 Gatehouse Crossing, Chatanooga, TN,
> 37421 on the first Saturday in April.  Reef Fish finds that date to be
> appropriate. You had better be impressed with Reef Fish because Reef
> Fish paid $243,000 for this house in March 1998. If you cannot
> attended, you can telephone (423) 892-3585 to have the honor of talking
> with the Almighty Reef Fish.

   Wow, impressive.  (Yawn)
Reef Fish - 18 Feb 2006 17:59 GMT
Reef Fish (Large_Nasty_Grouper@)Yahoo.com) FORGED

See:            http://tinyurl.com/ca8b8
See also:    http://tinyurl.com/bnduz

It had been previously confirmed by Yahoo.com that BOTH the
posting name AND the Yahoo address were forged.   JammerSix,
or whomever forged JammerSix is the prime suspect.   Judging
from the content of the post, it COULD have been one of two
other posters who had been known to make forged posts, targeted
at the true "Reef Fish".

> > Hey, this Festival of the Dysfunctional Gang is attracking even the
> > Dysfunctional from rec.travel.cruises
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It was Reef Fish who started cross-posting. But Reef Fish can do that
> because Reef Fish's ego always deserves a bigger audience. Period.

See the tinyurl forgeries above.

> > I think you're just trying to apply for membership in that Gang.
>
> To celebrate, Reef Fish will host a New Membership Party. Reef Fish has
> plenty of booze at home: dozens of tiny bottles stolen from cruise
> ships and airplane rides. Reef Fish does not ever lie: most of these
> bottles are still full. Period.

This is telling!  I did host a party for Scuba-SE divers, in honor
of the owner of the Scuba-SE LIST, Jeff Kell.

http://tinyurl.com/cdgj3

Yes, I DO have plenty of booze at home, precisely for parties held
at my home, for my GUESTS.   Haven't bought a bottle to replentish
the stock left over from the 1990s since 2002, but what's there can
STILL accommodate a party for at least 100 drinkers.

I even have a bottle of 1966 Chateau LaFite Rothschild (you can't
even find in cruises or most of the expensive restaurants; and if you
do. it would probably command a bill of $500 for the bottle) to share
with my internet friends and divers -- when my flamers on the
internet wake up and realize their "exercise in futility" (Google
archives would reveal more of those than I care to count!

Except for the "stolen from cruise ships and airplane rides" part,
I have MORE than just "dozens of tiny bottles" (at least a hundred),
mostly undrunk, about half of which were collected from exotic
locations in my travel, such as the INCA bottles from Peru in
mini-bottles shaped like statues.

So, this FORGER must have been AT that party (only 1 or 2
possible suspects on that list though) or know one of those
two at the party, to furnish the details about my liquor collection.

Given the FORGER's unintended support of my non-drinking
habits, I must relate this heart warming story about that party
and my good friend Jeff, whom I introduced to Cozumel diving
in 1994, by doing a record 27 dives in one week.  Jeff's report:

http://tinyurl.com/d3djf

Jeff was so ecstatic about that experience, like a child who has
just been turned loose in a candy factory, that his report had
been requested by many to be put on their own webpage about
Cozumel diving.

Jeff miraculously survived a two-month coma at the intensive care
unit (especially ironic in this thread, of those who made it a Flaming
Festival on the PROVEN fact that "I don't drink" because Jeff's
hospitalization was the result of his excessive  drinking).   His
family
had already "pulled the plug" on him on the diagnosis of the doctor
that Jeff no longer responded to antibiotic treatments while in his
coma at the ICU for TWO MONTHS.

This was when the MIRACLE (if I've ever seen one that could be so
called) occurred.   Within ONE DAY of his life support hook up been
pulled and he was moved from the ICU to a room for regular patients,
Jeff came out of his coma, and he was scribbling words on a piece of
paper for me on my visits and within another day or two, he was
TALKING.

The rest of the story was anticlimatic but all a part of the miracle.
Jeff who had been nicknamed "trumpetfish" for his 150 lb body on
a 6' 1" frame, dropped his weight down to 100 lbs while in coma,
quicly bounced back to a "tunafish" of over 180 lbs, and now working
fulltime in his computer center job as the multi-faceted guru in
chief analyst, postmaster, and owner of several listserv LISTS

The other honored guest was also my long-time good friend, whom
I call DarLING Viv, who post by the handle "Krazy Kiwi", from NZ,
now AUS, who spent a week with us prior to the 2002 Cayman
NEDfest, as she spent a week with us prior to the Coz99NEDfest.

DarLING Viv, like Strike, are supremely competent divers, but
more importantly, well like by EVERYONE in the LISTS amidst
flamwars in which practiced no one was spared.  So is Jeff,
though not in the same class as a diver, compared to Viv,
Strike, and a host of other divers in Scuba-SE, which had one
time been dubbed SE = Sydney and Elsewhere.  :-)   These
divers would put the collective knowledge and skill and experience
of scuba diving of the rec.scuba group to shame.

> The party will be held at 8201 Gatehouse Crossing, Chatanooga, TN,
> 37421

Except for the misspelling of Chattanooga, this was obviously
public information easily retrievable by anyone with a minimal skill
in web searches, but is indicative that the FORGER knows someone
on the "party" attendee list  in 2002.   OR, one of the readers in the
Scuba-SE LIST!!!   Because most of the party information was
POSTED on that list, and the list had its own forger Daniel
Crawford who forged the name "Robert Lung" in flaming me.
There could easily be a couple of suspects from THAT list.

The fact that the forger wrote, "Reef Fish does not ever lie:
post of these bottles are still full."  suggests that the FORGER
may indeed be a "friend" of mine, in the party, SPOOFING
with the known forger's posting address, because there
wasn't anything strongly derogatory or vitriolic about Reef
Fish which are found in most of the flamers' and forger's posts.

THAT pretty much covered the list of ALL POSSIBLE suspects. :-)

And for the sci.stat.math readers who were unfortunately dragged
into this cross-posted list, you don't need any "Elbow Rule" to
apply to the search algorithm for the suspect.  :-)   (The rest of you
will have to invent your own Elbow Rule, as in your circus act of
posting flames and mouth=dancing while walking on your ELBOW
and juggling coconut with your feet like the rec.scuba gorillas.

> on the first Saturday in April.  Reef Fish finds that date to be
> appropriate. You had better be impressed with Reef Fish because

> Reef  Fish paid $243,000 for this house in March 1998.

This KIND of information can be found by anyone with any knowledge
about how to retrieve Real Estate information from the County Court
House.   I've dealt with millions of dollars (buy and sell) in real
estate with a partner who was a professional broker.

But the MISinfo here showed that the forger wasn't careful enough
in his "research" in the forgery.   I was working full time in a
differnt STATE in March 1998.   I did not even know at that time
that I was going to take an early retirement in 1999 -- and move
to a different state!   :-)

I have been in USENET newsgroups and LISTSERV lists since
1987, and had already had an "asbestos drysuit" (posted in 1990)
that made me immuned to flames by the abundance of morons
and idiots in USENET.

Thanks for Google, everyone (with NO EXCEPTION since 1987)
who flamed me in the real name, in their contrived "posting name",
or FORGED "Reef Fish" (which is rare) name and posting
address, are sooner or later, the ones who showed that the only'
person they scorched are THEMSELVES,

Jeff is an expert in tracking forgers.  At one time in the mid-90s,
an unprecedented TEAM of (including Jeff and Nick Simicich)
tracked down a forger by the name "Jesus" (which turned out to
be his REAL name <G>, but a big-wig in Colombia, South
America who was not only immuned to USA laws, but the
hoodlums there are capable of REAL physical violence, so the
case was dropped by us.

I did not bother to ask Jeff to thelp rack down any of the forgers
of "Reef Fish", such as the present one, or some of the posting
names created for the SOLE purpose of cross-posting their
flames on me, such as Nassau_Fishing_Pier because I know
Jeff is already working 24/7 on his analyst/postmaster/list-owner
jobs.

But if any of you are a guru in the forger-tracking business, you
will be doing USENET and discussion groups a tremendous
service, by exposing these forging "chicken sh.ts".

-- Bob the REAL Reef Fish.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 18 Feb 2006 18:50 GMT
> Reef Fish (Large_Nasty_Grouper@)Yahoo.com) FORGED

   (yawn)
Chattanooga Choo-Choo - 18 Feb 2006 19:27 GMT
>Reef Fish (Large_Nasty_Grouper@)Yahoo.com) FORGED
>
[quoted text clipped - 177 lines]
>
>-- Bob the REAL Reef Fish.

Bob, you are a true original.  What would we do without you . . . . .
Grumman-581 - 18 Feb 2006 22:27 GMT
> Bob, you are a true original.  What would we do without you . . . . .

But then again, you're just another one of the cowards that hides behind an
anonymous remailer, so it's not like anyone actually gives a f.ck what your
opinion might be...

Thanks for helping me add yet another cowardly remailer domain to my domain
killfile list...

<bitch-slap>
<plonk>
Reef Fish - 18 Feb 2006 20:53 GMT
"A Darwin Award is an honour given to people who supposedly
help to improve the human gene pool by "removing themselves
from it in a spectacularly stupid manner." "

See:     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Awards

An example of a Darwin Reward receipient is the burglar
who took a video of his own burglary act, and was caught
when the police found the video!

The FORGER of "Reef Fish" did something comparable,
which is why he is the receipient of the "Darwin Award"
for the post below.

What the Nasty_Grouper didn't know was that google now has
a NEW feature "view profile" of the author of a post, giving the
posting author's most recent post as well as the posting history.

When you click the "view profile" of this Darwin receipient,
what you see are the listing of his SIX forgeries and his
posting history:

Post Activity
   Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2005                 2             1    2
2006     1

These not only contained all 6 of the forgeries of the
Large_Nasty_Grouper@yahoo.com,  it also contained the
statistical oddity of all 5 previous posts had a FIVE STAR
rating, rated by 1 reader -- quite obviously the forger himself!

If you click the "view profile" of the REAL "Reef Fish", such as in
my post exposing the forgery, you'll get THIS history from google:

Post Activity
   Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001                11  17  59  49  26  87  51
2002 62  51  91  45   7   40  77  82  145  238  50  45
2003 122  110  64  53  51  60  62  111  72  50  55  65
2004 65  64  114  71  79  91  56  110  197  150  17  202
2005 315  168  132  255  189  320  241  338  223  252  266  129
2006 149  176

The Darwin receipient won his Award by unknowlingly caught
by Google,  of his forgery history in the unsigned post below:

-- Bob.   The REAL "Reef Fish".

> > Hey, this Festival of the Dysfunctional Gang is attracking even the
> > Dysfunctional from rec.travel.cruises
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> attended, you can telephone (423) 892-3585 to have the honor of talking
> with the Almighty Reef Fish.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 18 Feb 2006 21:22 GMT
   Wow, now you must really feel impotent, er, important.

   I'd say it's a little dirty for someone to do that to you, but since
that would only draw another insult from the great Ding-a-Ling, guess I'll
just have to snicker.

Curtis
Reef Fish - 18 Feb 2006 22:26 GMT
"Magilla" wrote:

>     Wow, now you must really feel impotent, er, important.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Curtis

Nobody gives a sh.t about your snicker except the Dysfunctional Gang
in the rec.scuba group.   So, you should learn to confine your response
to only the single group to which you belong -- as I have done, by
reducing your 4 crossposted group to this one.

-- Bob.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 18 Feb 2006 23:03 GMT
> Nobody gives a sh.t about your snicker except the Dysfunctional Gang
> in the rec.scuba group.   So, you should learn to confine your response
> to only the single group to which you belong -- as I have done, by
> reducing your 4 crossposted group to this one.

   Ah, but you give a sh.t, you responded.......gotcha.


Reef Fish - 19 Feb 2006 02:34 GMT
"Magilla" wrote:

> > Nobody gives a sh.t about your snicker except the Dysfunctional Gang
> > in the rec.scuba group.   So, you should learn to confine your response
> > to only the single group to which you belong -- as I have done, by
> > reducing your 4 crossposted group to this one.
>
>     Ah, but you give a sh.t, you responded.......gotcha.

I responded, as I stated, by putting your post back to ONE group,
rec.scuba.locations, for the reasons stated.

So you just showed what a dispicable scum you are by crossing
posting this piece of sh.t of yours back to 4 groups.  You forgot to
snicker, IDIOT.

All the folks in other groups can read, all you have done is to demean
the rec.scuba.locations group to which you don't even belong!!!

You don't EVER have any DIVING to discuss.

You are here because you are like a DOG following the DING DONG
Bell like any sh.t eating dog would followo a piece of sh.t.

What happen to your KILLFILE?

Go join Lee and wallow in your killfile that you BRAG about, but
couldn't stay away from posting worthless frivol that's even beneath
those seen in rec.scuba where you frequent.

-- Bob.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 19 Feb 2006 06:43 GMT
> I responded, as I stated, by putting your post back to ONE group,
> rec.scuba.locations, for the reasons stated.

   So, when you cross post, it's okay, but when I do, it's not?  I see how
this works.

> So you just showed what a dispicable scum you are by crossing
> posting this piece of sh.t of yours back to 4 groups.  You forgot to
> snicker, IDIOT.

   Oh no, believe me, I am snickering.

> All the folks in other groups can read, all you have done is to demean
> the rec.scuba.locations group to which you don't even belong!!!

   You mean the ones you cross posted to first?

   Demean it more than you?  Wow!

   BTW, who the f.ck appointed you gate keeper?

> You don't EVER have any DIVING to discuss.

   With you, no.  Cannot compete with the king of cruise cowboy, so why
bother (dripping with sarcasm).

   Seems the Google King put foot in mouth again.

> You are here because you are like a DOG following the DING DONG
> Bell like any sh.t eating dog would followo a piece of sh.t.

   Naw, I'm here because I wanted to see another scuba group that I figured
was a tad quieter.  Was until I stopped blocking the king of cruise cowboy.

> What happen to your KILLFILE?

   It's in for it's 100,000 mile tune up.

   Told you why I made the mistake of un-blocking you, you're such an
egotistical son of a bitch that you won't even acknowledge you threw the
first insults in this dogfight.  Don't let the truth get in the way of your
fantasy.

> Go join Lee and wallow in your killfile that you BRAG about, but
> couldn't stay away from posting worthless frivol that's even beneath
> those seen in rec.scuba where you frequent.

   When you APOLOGIZE.

Curtis


Reef Fish - 19 Feb 2006 07:33 GMT
"Magilla" wrote:

> > I responded, as I stated, by putting your post back to ONE group,
> > rec.scuba.locations, for the reasons stated.
>
>     So, when you cross post, it's okay, but when I do, it's not?  I see how
> this works.

I cross-posted the first time because the FORGER cross-posted
his post in 4 groups, and that was my response to the same post,
hence cross-posted.

Other who followed-up, already had the good sense to post only
in one, or two of those groups to which they participate.

You are the ONLY JERK who expanded on group back to 4
on your completely frivolous one-line.

All you have done is to have demeaned YOURSELF and the
ENTIRE rec.scuba.locations group!

You NEVER have any SCUBA discussion in this group.   Only
your incessant noise, as a juvenile delinquent playing in his
sandbox.

Just GET LOST.

-- Bob.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 19 Feb 2006 07:50 GMT
> You NEVER have any SCUBA discussion in this group.   Only
> your incessant noise, as a juvenile delinquent playing in his
> sandbox.

   And I now can call you a liar.  But, don't let the truth get in the way
of your fantasy.

> Just GET LOST.

   Make me.  I await your apology.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 19 Feb 2006 07:52 GMT
> I cross-posted the first time because the FORGER cross-posted
> his post in 4 groups, and that was my response to the same post,
> hence cross-posted.

   When are you going to realize nobody cares except you?
Reef Fish - 19 Feb 2006 18:01 GMT
"Magilla" wrote:

> > I cross-posted the first time because the FORGER cross-posted
> > his post in 4 groups, and that was my response to the same post,
> > hence cross-posted.
>
>     When are you going to realize nobody cares except you?

The three lines you cited was my response to your LAST post when
you accused me of cross-posting, when I  had just taken the other
three groups off and responded to you ONLY in rec.scuba.locations
because you have never appeared in any of the other groups.

NO ONE in sci.stat.math participated in this thread.   Magilla and
two others appeared in that group from responding to the original
cross-post by the FORGER, excpet YOU, who put yourself back
after I had replied to you only to rec.scuba.locations.

NO ONE in rec.travel.cruises participated in this thread.  The SAME
four (from rec.scuba.locations) appeared there for the same
reason.   The only other poster was Bob Crownfield, making his
usual noise about my mention of Dickhead in that group (who
never said another word) and Crownfield correctly posted that
drivil only in rec.travel.cruises (where Dickhead is) and
rec.scuba.locations.

The SAME four appeared in rec.travel.air for the same reason of
the original cross-post by the forger.   The only OTHERS who
participated were one post by Alan Street, who correctly and
wisely post his follow-up only in rec.travel.air and
rec.scuba.location,
two of the groups in which he normally participate.   The only
other participant was Greg Morrow, a well-known Troll who
followed up on Alan's post -- hence appeared in the same
two groups.

So, while the FORGER cross-posted his forgery to FOUR
newsgroups, a total of only ONE follow-up came from readers
of those THREE groups outside of rec.scuba.locations.

That speaks for the relative MATURITY of the participants of
those other groups compared to rec.scuba.locations, and in
fact, had the FORGER posted his forgery only in rec.scuba.
locations, he would have gotten ALL the responses except
perhaps that of Greg Morrow from rec.travel.air.

NOW let's take a look at rec.scuba.locations where ALL the
noise came from.   In particular, look at the noisiest and the
most disgusting, anti-Netiquette, and clueless one there, Magilla.

I told Greg Mossman, to whom I offered his birthday drink,

>> While I "don't drink" in the sense that my total annual consumption of
>> alcoholic breverages may not exceed what you consume in an hour,
>> I never make an issue of taking a sip while others are gulping, when
>> the occasion calls for it.

Below was the entirety of Magilla's FIRST post in the thread,  already
unnecessary NOISE.

>   Well damn, Bob, there's something you may actually brag about
>   and not catch any "razzing" from me.

You could and SHOULD have just kept quiet then.

That was followed by Lee Bell's impertinence about my "not drinking"
and not diving in overhead enviroments.

Magilla made 20 (TWENTY) posts thereafter, all vacuous in content
except his mindless comments such as in this post.  By 10 posts
before now, he had already lost track of what the thread was about.

In short, your total 21 posts contributed ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
to this thread, or to rec.scuba.locations, and certainly to nothing
about SCUBA, as you have never contributed anything about scuba.

You can carry this post (which will be permanently archived by
Google) as your badge of honor in YOUR eyes -- the worst and
the most STUPID poster in, and the most frivolous noise maker of,
the rec.scuba.*  groups.

After this post appeared, you can make a tinyurl of it, and carry it
around to show how you single-handedly made 20 TIMES more
noise in  one crossposted thread in 4 groups, than the TOTAL
(one) response from the other THREE groups.

-- Bob.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 19 Feb 2006 18:44 GMT
>>     When are you going to realize nobody cares except you?
>
> The three lines you cited was my response to your LAST post when
> you accused me of cross-posting, when I  had just taken the other
> three groups off

   Nope, you had to have your say before you removed the other
groups.......gotcha.  Don't let the truth get in the way of your fantasy.

   As for the rest, the start of this, not my only presence, was a very
sincere comment about possibly dive trips without binge drinking as the
focal point, to which you immediately had to toss out your insults.
Juvenile?  Pot to Kettle, don't let the truth get in the way of your
fantasy.

   To my 20(?) posts, I imagine you put more meaningless dribble into one
of yours, and you saw fit to respond to each and every one, oh compulsive
one.

   Besides, somebody has to be here to represent Florida diving, since the
Little Nasty Grouper has condemned it (see, you may remove me from your
suspect list, I would never have called you large).  I have definitely dove
more sites in this fine state than you.  Since this is not
locations.foreign.cruise ship.tourist.cattle boat, I suspect I'm at least as
welcome as you, although I'm sure my last few posts have annoyed some.
Reef Fish - 20 Feb 2006 03:22 GMT
"Magilla"  <cavey_curtis@yahoo.com>   wrote:

> >>     When are you going to realize nobody cares except you?

I'll stop posting about YOU whenever I  feel like.   But not yet.

Under the <cavey_curtis@yahoo.com>  posting address,
these posts showed before July 2005:

Post Activity
   Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2003                                       16  115  98  17  41  26
2004 33  25  76  86  31  119  69  76  56  109  69  90
2005 42  34  39          4   61

Curtis's TRUE CONFESSION showed on March 17, 2005 in

rec.travel.cruises, because someone from UK cross-posted
to rec.scuba,

UKtroll>   I like to masturbate while scuba diving.

Curtis>   Quite a few just masturbate on the newsgroup.

That explained Curtis's current behavior.   I was curious to see
what kind of psychopath could behave like Curtis does, now
under the posting name Magilla and munged posting address.
The above was part of what I found.

Curtis posted under

chaldwin@digital.net     (munged of course)  during

Post Activity
       Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2000 10    8   17     3    13     2     2   21  19   18  120    3

and other munged posting names and munged posting addresses
so that Google would show no "profile" or "Post Activity" unless you
un-munge them.

It's not worth my time to pursue this any further.

What this showed, behond a easonable doubt, is that Curtis is a
mentally deranged psychopath roaming rec.scuba doing his
internet masturbation <see TRUTH CONFESSION above>.

Of quite a few of Curtis's postings I have skimmed through, there
was NOTHING about scuba.

Magilla, whom Greg Mossman called the "GAY gorilla",  you've had
more than your 15 minutes of perverted fame.   Now you're no more
than a psychopath non grata.

You'll have to find some other sandbox, some other masturbaters
of you kind to spend time now.

I have pity on you.

I truly feel sorry about the SCUBA readers of rec.scuba.locations
(where you DON'T normally appear) whose SCUBA DISCUSSIONS
were rudely interrupted and polluted by YOU single-handedly, even
after Lee Bell and the members of the Dysfunctional Gang had
ceased their noise.

-- Bob.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 20 Feb 2006 04:53 GMT
"Reef Fish"  ejaculated

> Post Activity
>    Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
> 2003                                       16  115  98  17  41  26
> 2004 33  25  76  86  31  119  69  76  56  109  69  90
> 2005 42  34  39          4   61

   <Yawn>

"You can carry this post (which will be permanently archived by
Google) as your badge of honor in YOUR eyes -- the worst and
the most STUPID poster in, and the most frivolous noise maker of,
the rec.scuba.*  groups."

Ding-a-Ling, 19 Feb 06, 1:01 EST, predicting his own future post.

   CTMRH

   BTW, this is post number 20, terrible when a mathematical genius cannot
count even using his fingers and toes.
Reef Fish - 20 Feb 2006 05:50 GMT
"Magilla" wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/ntvrz
Alan Street - 18 Feb 2006 21:22 GMT
> The Darwin receipient won his Award by unknowlingly caught
> by Google,  of his forgery history in the unsigned post below:

How has he been "caught?" You still have no idea (and certainly no
proof) who posted it, do you? All you know is that it appears to be one
person.

Life is frustrating for you, isn't it Feesh?
Reef Fish - 18 Feb 2006 22:42 GMT
> > The Darwin receipient won his Award by unknowlingly caught
> > by Google,  of his forgery history in the unsigned post below:
>
> How has he been "caught?" You still have no idea (and certainly no
> proof) who posted it, do you? All you know is that it appears to be one
> person.

He was caught by HIMSELF in identifying the 6 posts made by the
same forged posting name!

He could've been Alan Street, but you have not been known
for name-forging, so as STUPID as you've been in your posts,
you have been excluded from MY list of suspects.

> Life is frustrating for you, isn't it Feesh?

Not at all!   The only arses that get scorched by my flamers'
flames are their own.   That certainly included Alan Street's
posts.   You have left enough of a trail of it there's no NEED
for you to forge any post in the name of "Reef Fish" for you
to win a "Darwin Award'" Shooting one's own foot -- which
you share many such awards with Lee DING DONG Bell,
Dickhead Goldhaber, and a cast of internet GNATS <tm>.

It's the automata of newsgroups foot-shooting poster-ID.

-- Bob.
Gregory Morrow - 19 Feb 2006 05:59 GMT
> > The Darwin receipient won his Award by unknowlingly caught
> > by Google,  of his forgery history in the unsigned post below:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Life is frustrating for you, isn't it Feesh?

Yup, b00b is truly a "Feesh out of water", ain't he...???

Signature

Best
Greg

bob crownfield - 18 Feb 2006 17:46 GMT
Reef Fish ranted:

DIckhead  Dickhead  Dickhead, trash  BURIED  LIES. buried
buried  sh.t?  Dysfunctional Gang Dysfunctional DIckhead
 buried Dysfuntionals. Dickhead.

!!!

> -- Bob.
Reef Fish - 17 Feb 2006 05:09 GMT
"Magilla" wrote:
> from "Greg Mossman"
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>     Well damn, Bob, there's something you may actually brag about and not
> catch any "razzing" from me.

For a gorilla whom not long ago I had said whose brain cells can fit
into a flea's navel and have plenty of room left for <I forgot what
that
something was that I said that time>,  you have raised the bar of your
IQ a few notches.

Come to think of it, that something I said could easily have been
DING DONG Bell's total knowledge about scuba.  <BG>

Of course Lee's total number of brain cells together with all his
brain tissues could fit into that flea's navel also. :-)))

BTW, the name DING DONG was bestowed by that most-respected
fella I talked about at Singapore's Raffles.  In 10 years of his
existence in Scuba-L and Scuba-SE, he did not have an unkind
word to say about anyone, and certainly did not need to call anyone
a DING DONG.   But he was so provoked by our Lee Bell (in my
absence from the LIST diving somewhere) whenLee practiced his
patented gnat-behavior, frivolous arguing, and the rest of Lee's
characteristic traits on him, that the name DING DONG was born --
of which Lee must be proud, as the sole recipient of such an
acolade from such a gentleman of supreme scuba knowledge,
skill, and experience!    LOL.

Of course DING DONG would stretch his silly "lack of brain cell"
statements by calling the swim throughs of Santa Rosa Wall, an
overhead environment in the same sense as in caver's use, or
in anyone's commonsense use, except DING DONG, when he
is in the mood to .... DING DONG.

Here's something that Lee, in the calmness of SCUBA discussion
in rec.scuba.locations, decided he needed to stir up the silt a bit
in the Scuba-SE LIST by

Lee Bell> Bob, does Michael know you're posting in his name?<

When Michael said something unkind about Lee, which was perfectly
fitting and true.   What Lee thought was his clever baiting got both
Michael's and my notice <as Lee intended> of course.

Michael>  I'm not Bob. So why respond to me calling me Bob,
Dingleberry?

Michael>  Ya know, Bob isn't the only one who thinks you've lost
Michael>  your marbles. That happens to be the broad consensus on S-SE.

Hear, Hear.   Everyone!   That was Feb 12, 2006.   There's not a
person in Scuba-SE who doesn't know who DING DONG is or why.

This was my Valentine post for Lee Bell, when he pulled out his old
line about name-calling which he had abandoned for some time after
I called him a hypocrite for calling me "an a.shole's a.shole".

RF >> "Lee's Rule: He who calls someone names has lost the debate.
RF >>  EXCEPTION to Lee's Rule:  Lee can call someone 'an a.shole'
RF >>  or 'an a.shole;s a.shole' and claim he won."

Lee was dumb enough to confirm my notice of his hypocrisy:

Lee>   You're the a.shole's a.shole every place you post.  You've
Lee>   got a perfect score.  Congratulations.

which brought this conclusion to my post on Feb 14:

RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....

RF> It's late as it is.   Your DING DONG is really putting me to sleep.

RF> Good night to all, except DING DONG of course who'll be
RF> DINGING his DONG for a long time.   LOL

-- Bob.
Lee Bell - 17 Feb 2006 13:14 GMT
Bob got caught in another lie.
Don't let the truth get in the way of your fantasy.
Reef Fish - 17 Feb 2006 14:27 GMT
Lee Bell wrote  (in the ENTIRETY of his vacuous post):
> Bob got caught in another lie.
> Don't let the truth get in the way of your fantasy.

That's a lot of details you provided there, DING DONG!

Try something like this, about you getting caught with your pants down
about your HYPROCRISY of "name calling", and that's within THIS WEEK:

RF >> "Lee's Rule: He who calls someone names has lost the debate.
RF >>  EXCEPTION to Lee's Rule:  Lee can call someone 'an a.shole'
RF >>  or 'an a.shole;s a.shole' and claim he won."

Lee was dumb enough to confirm my notice of his hypocrisy:

Lee>   You're the a.shole's a.shole every place you post.  You've
Lee>   got a perfect score.  Congratulations.

which brought this conclusion to my post on Feb 14:

RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....
RF> DING DONG  ....     DING DONG   ....     DING DONG ....

-- Bob.
Lee Bell - 17 Feb 2006 14:40 GMT
>> Bob got caught in another lie.
>> Don't let the truth get in the way of your fantasy.

> That's a lot of details you provided there, DING DONG!

You're the Google expert.  You look it up.  You know you said you didn't
drink, and now admit that you do.  You said you don't dive with an overhead
environment even though people here have dove them with you.

I don't need to provide details to prove your lies.  You did it for me.

Lee
Reef Fish - 17 Feb 2006 16:23 GMT
> >> Bob got caught in another lie.
> >> Don't let the truth get in the way of your fantasy.
>
> > That's a lot of details you provided there, DING DONG!
>
> You're the Google expert.  You look it up.

There's nothing to look up.  I never claimed never to touch a drop.
Everyone know what I meant and what I except for some "Padantic
IDIOT" like Lee Bell want to argue about it.

LIES about my drinking had already been settled by Strike, once
and for all, in 2000, by his voluntary entry into rec.scuba to
silence the "Aldora IDIOTS" of that era, by proclaiming:

Strike> Eh!  Bob Ling is one of the few folks that I've
Strike> been privileged to meet and dive with who DOESN'T
Strike> drink!!!

http://tinyurl.com/c6uuh

Are you suggesting Strike is a LIAR?

No need to mouth dance.   Just a "Yes" or "No" will do.

That was year 2000, a year after the Cozumel 1999 NEDfest
had a DRINKING party at the joint-suites of Strike and me.

Everyone knew then that I don't drink, except "Padantic IDIOT"
Lee Bell.

Do you know anyone who "drinks" in any sense of the word who
had spend over 130 days on CRUISES (where drinking is a
pretty good pastime) and had not spent a single PENNY on
alcoholic drinks?   That's me and have all the cruiseship bills
for proof.

Lee, you're convincing everyone of your IDIOCY better than I
can ever do it myself.

-- Bob.
Alan Street - 17 Feb 2006 17:26 GMT
> > >> Bob got caught in another lie.
> > >> Don't let the truth get in the way of your fantasy.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Everyone know what I meant and what I except for some "Padantic
> IDIOT" like Lee Bell want to argue about it.

So, in other words, you're like a vegetarian who only eats fish.

Check.