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Scuba Forum / Scuba Locations / February 2006worlds best top 10 destinations
Any opinions? The problem with such lists is that they almost always end up containing the most popular destinations, not the best. When a destination makes the list it will, almost by definition, no longer deserve to be there. To find the best destination you have to go where no one else is going. In other words, you have to find it yourself. Safe diving, Cpt. Dale Any opinions? > > The problem with such lists is that they almost always end up containing the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Any opinions? Well said Capt Dale!! "Cpt. Dale Bennett" <captndale@comcast.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :The problem with such lists is that they almost always end up containing the :most popular destinations, not the best. When a destination makes the list :it will, almost by definition, no longer deserve to be there. To find the :best destination you have to go where no one else is going. In other words, :you have to find it yourself. Nonsense. We all have our own likes and dislikes. And all those popular places, they're popular for a reason. I like Little Cayman. and Fiji and Galapagos and Cozumel and Palau Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > I like Little Cayman. > and Fiji > and Galapagos > and Cozumel > and Palau Is this a ranking? <nospam@all.please.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Is this a ranking? no Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > <nospam@all.please.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: > > :Is this a ranking? > > no Can you provide one? <nospam@all.please.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Can you provide one? That would require too much effort. They are all great places to go. Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > <nospam@all.please.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: > > :Can you provide one? > > That would require too much effort. They are all great places to go. Do you consider that a yes? "Dan Bracuk" <NOTbracuk@pathcom.com> wrote in message > They are all great places to go. There you have it in a nutshell. Go, adventure, learn, enjoy - you'll not be sorry. When you're done you'll have a list of great dive destinations that means something to you. > The problem with such lists is that they almost always end up containing the > most popular destinations, not the best. There's some truth to that statement; and a LOT of truth to it if the voters are readers of Rodale's rag. Rodale's lists of Top 10 or Top 100 or Top whatever tend to be the popular destinations of the Clueless. I think they voted Molasses Reef in Key Largo the best dive site in the USA or the World. :-) But if the voters are seasoned divers who had plenty of exposure to the best dives sites in the world, then their list, would be, de facto, a list of the BEST, according to whatever criteria that made them to make such selections. When I dived Coco's Island in 1992, one of the divers was a renowned Japanese UW photog and dive magazine editor who had been diving in the "best locations" in the world for 30 years. When asked what he thought was the best location in the world, "French Polynesia" was his answer. That statement didn't make sense until I've dived in about 20 of the French Polynesian islands 12 years later. In that respect, French Polynesia will NEVER be voted best by the Rodale readership or this readership, because not enough of you have EVER dived there, and even if you did a few in one of two of the islands such as Moorea and Bora Bora, you would not have a wide enough view, nor a wide enough other world class locations to do your comparison. > When a destination makes the list > it will, almost by definition, no longer deserve to be there. To find the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Safe diving, > Cpt. Dale Cpt, I venture to guess that you haven't been to many top dives locations in the world. You don't need to re-invent the wheel every time you need to use a wheel, because most of the wheels have already been found or created by others. But you have to have the EXPERIENCE of being able to say, "Been thar. Done dat" before your vote is credible to anyone but the most gullible. For these reasons, I think the present "poll" is an exercise in futility and lack of utility, not much different from the votes in Rodale's mag, whose readership are primarily local Floridians who think Key Largo is God's gift to the scuba divers in the world. -- Bob. P.S. By Cpt Dale's misguided notion, he wouldn't have anything to go by if I said the greatest location is Easter Island, because I am quite sure nobody else in the group ever dived there. "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :For these reasons, I think the present "poll" is an exercise in :futility I think it could be fun. Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his > keyboard resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Dan Bracuk > If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. Fun; at least moderately educational; a pleasant change from endless arguments about guns; and less inhibiting than a carefully phrased and lengthy question which acknowledges that nobody in this group has experienced every dive site on earth. Since there was not a precondition that only divers with 1,000+ dives could have a vote, I'll mention my two favourites are the cenotes and, with any luck, wherever my next dive happens to be. cheers, Wayne Wayne <myranger17@yahoo.ca> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Since there was not a precondition that only divers with 1,000+ dives :could have a vote, I'll mention my two favourites are the cenotes and, :with any luck, wherever my next dive happens to be. Which cenotes are those? I think there are more than one. Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. The best dive I ever did was the last dive I did in Cozumel. We were taking it easy after a week of intensive diving in order to reduce the risk of flying home the following morning. Unlike our normal, relatively deep profile, we headed a modest distance out past the drop off at 40 to 50 feet. I don't recall where we started, but we covered half a dozen or so names sites as we drifted with the current. It was an awe inspiring, almost life changing kind of dive. Not deep, not anywhere we hadn't been diving all week, just a different perspective on a familiar area. The second best dive was a night shore dive in and around Devil's Grotto, on Grand Cayman. It was our first night dive on our first visit to the island. We dive the same area at night once or twice every time we visit the island. The third best dive was also a night dive in Grand Cayman. We swam out to the Nicholson to await the arrival of the tourist submarine. The sub, at night, looks as much like Close Encounters of the Third Kind as anything I can remember. I've done inside and outside of wrecks, inside and outside of caves, depths well beyond "recreational limits" and all over the Bahamas, on all three Cayman islands and in Cozumel. Its a bit of a surprise to some that the best dives, for me, were all relatively shallow. On the other hand, deep wall dives aren't all that far down the list. I really like diving walls. Lee > I think it could be fun. Well for what its worth......here are my top ten........please be aware that i can only judge from where i have dived........(now fancy that) 1. Lembeh Straights, Sulawesi.....(most recent trip) 2. Underneath SEAVENTURES resort off Mabul, Sabah. 3. Chuuk Lagoon, Micronesia (not having done Bikini) 4. Sipadan, Sabah. 5. Around Kavieng, New Ireland Papua New Guinea. 6. Yucatan Senotes. 7. Yap, Micronesia. 8. Coral Sea, farther out than the GBR. 9. Christ i'm struggling here..........Bali, Fiji, Sharm, these are places i have dived but are they the best............they may be MY best but where do i want to go back to more than anything...... www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK > > I think it could be fun. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > 2. Underneath SEAVENTURES resort off Mabul, Sabah. I have to agree with this one. Some of my best dives have been under Seaventures! And others have been "next door" onthe house reefs at Sipadan Water Village Resort, on Mabul Island itself. SWV has what I consider the best snorkeling I've done. You can see things in the shallow water that you'll never see diving. And being able to snorkel under your room has a certain charm. Becky, Austin, TX, USA > > > I think it could be fun. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > 2. Underneath SEAVENTURES resort off Mabul, Sabah. THAT did it! I'll play, especially for Dave (morg) who must be quite familiar with the "luxury diving" in the UK. Why go to those places when you can have the BEST locations right under your nose? Excerpt from my post citing the Brits in 1997: It all started on Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:52:18 +0000 when Chris wrote, CP> The Feeesh has shamed me into EXPOSING myself here, Nah. Chris is just a natural flasher. CP> On Mon 17 Feb, Helen Johnstone wrote: CP> CP> Most of the diving in the North Sea is hostile - cold CP> (around 2 Celcius in winter), dark (zero viz - where you CP> can't see your gauges even when pressed up against your CP> mask), large unpredicatble tides, serious winter storms, CP> etc. CP> CP> LUXURY!!!! CP> CP> I've dived in water sooooo thick you couldn't even _move_ CP> your arm to put your guages against your mask. _And_ the CP> tides was running at 5 knots, and completely reversing CP> direction every 3 minutes, while a tornado was raging CP> above the water so I had to hold the boat's anchor chain CP> between my teeth to stop it from being dragged away. Then the Stoney Cove, rufty-tufty Brits chimed in ... but Helen had the last word: Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:33:06 GMT From: Helen Johnstone <johnst...@ENTERPRISE.BT.CO.UK> HJ> >>> Chris Pitts scrawled: HJ> >>> I've dived in water sooooo thick you couldn't even _move_ HJ> >>> your arm to put your guages against your mask. HJ> HJ> >> Andy (Kilkenny Kid) Johnson drawled: HJ> >> You think you had it tough ya big girls blouse, we dont HJ> >> even use masks! HJ> HJ> > Dean Cording scratched: HJ> > Water? Water! Pure luxury! Nought like that 'round ere. Best we HJ> > can do is damp mud. And then only if we all stand 'round and HJ> > spit on it. Our DM has to tie us to back o' tractor and pull us HJ> > through, its so thick. HJ> HJ> HJ> Damp mud! You're lucky to dive in damp mud. We DREAM of diving in HJ> damp mud. It would be like paradise to us. We have to dive in an HJ> old cess pit sunk in the back of garden. When we go diving in HJ> cess pit, we get kitted up by having a load of raw sewage dumped HJ> over us! Damp Mud! Huh! HJ> HJ> And when I say "us", there are a hundred and fifty of us, all HJ> diving in the cess pit built for an outside privy. HJ> HJ> And we have to get up at 10 o'clock at night, half an hour before HJ> we go to bed, get kitted up, eat cold gravel (we can't afford HJ> weight-belts), and dive on a single breath for 3 hours in t'cess HJ> pit, along with one hundred and forty nine other divers, HJ> scrubbing cess pit clean with our tongues. We get out of t' cess HJ> pit, get run over 10 times by a speedboat on a trailer with its HJ> outboard running, get de-kitted by having more fresh sewage HJ> dumped over us, and then get arrested by the drug squad. HJ> HJ> And you try telling the novices of today that. And they won't HJ> believe you. HJ> HJ< - Helen Yup, Chris. You're getting soft in your old age. And where ARE you LUXURY divers these days, Andy, Dean, Helen, et al? I don't think any of you Aussies, Kiwis, Asians, Africans, Europeans, and Americans are gonna top Helen and the Brit LUXURY divers in being TUFTY! :-) -- Bob. > the Brit LUXURY divers in being > TUFTY! :-) Myself and my wife did our open water training in the UK, in Stoney Col(d)ve.......it was extremely cold, around 4c IIRC, i had a wetsuit on that would not zip up and my chest was bare, i did did not wear gloves or hood because i was "imagininig" that i could not get my mask to seal correctly........lord when i think of those (for me) early days i shudder, sadly those days are gone, i now have a dry suit, a hood that fits and gloves, we dont get to dive here in the UK very often anymore ;^( we now have to put up with long haul flights, suffer horrendos heat in foreign climes, battle jungles and rain forest, dive in warm water infested with large peleagics, the tiny'st of strange deadly critters, and write about our ordeal in this unforgiving forum........... So......rufty tufty........why yes........who except the highly dedicated and hardened diver could put up with all that......... Its brought my appetite back......cant wait for the next dangerous mission. www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK > > the Brit LUXURY divers in being > > TUFTY! :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sadly those days are gone, i now have a dry suit, a hood that fits and > gloves, we dont get to dive here in the UK very often anymore ;^( The oldtimers have all heard my story of my ice-diver certification?). dives -- in my 1/4" wetsuit (3 mil?) because the rental drysuit had a neck seal 4 inches too small for my neck. So, between choking and a little cold, I chose the cold. :-) Speaking of cold, I'll be visiting two divers in Fairbanks, Alaska next month, in Alaskan WINTER. They are already telling me of the -45F weather (not counting the windchill). Not sure what that translates to in C. No diving though. > we > now have to put up with long haul flights, suffer horrendos heat in > foreign climes, battle jungles and rain forest, dive in warm water > infested with large peleagics, the tiny'st of strange deadly critters, > and write about our ordeal in this unforgiving forum........... I'll be seeing a little bit of that next week -- WITHOUT the long haul flights, and will actually be diving a couple of days with Greg Mossman and his gal., in the BEST "local dive site", Cozumel. > So......rufty tufty........why yes........who except the highly dedicated > and hardened diver could put up with all that......... "Been there. Done that", as they say. I think I counted 52 hours of real time coming back from Bali, via Singapore, Tokyo, Honolulu, etc. -- Bob. > "Been there. Done that", as they say. Oh and i forgot to mention the arty farty fancy food and wine they serve in business..........give me good old pie and chips.......... Life's a beach, then we dive............ www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK > whose readership are primarily local Floridians who think Key Largo > is God's gift to the scuba divers in the world. Would also agree with most of what you said........i dived Key Largo a couple of years ago, i thought it was dead........i struggled to find some photos for my website..........Sharm is also (in my wifes eyes) dead, but look at the photos on my site and you will see it has plenty to offer, it is far too over crowded these days though......simply too many tourists and divers. www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK >> whose readership are primarily local Floridians who think Key Largo >> is God's gift to the scuba divers in the world. > Would also agree with most of what you said........i dived Key Largo a > couple of years ago, i thought it was dead........i struggled to find some > photos for my website.......... Your dive in Key Largo made you think that Rodale's readership is primarily local Floridians? Bob loves to take shots at local Floridians at least partly because he doesn't like me. No problem, the feeling is mutual. He visited S. Florida and, as he usually does, looked for someone to show him what he should see. That's rarely the best way to find the best an area has to offer, particularly in a tourist oriented place like Key Largo. It looks like you are making the same mistake, judging the area on the basis of what a tourist operator took you to see. Key Largo is not, in my opinion, the best dive location in the world or, for that matter, even in Florida. It is, however, convenient and, if you look for it, a lot better than one you see from the average tourist boat. There, or anywhere else, if you want to see the best, you have to look for it. Lee > It looks like you > are making the same mistake, judging the area on the basis of what a > tourist operator took you to see. I guess i am, our recent trip to Manado in Sulawesi bears out that argument. We had a week diving around Manado......we went where the boat took us, because there were other divers on board, they did ask where we wanted to go but how do i know what is a good dive site ? i only know from what i read in magazines etc.....Manado has a great reputation, Bunaken (one of the Islands) does have terrific walls and some nice coral, we were looking for more than just that though......we had just had a week Diving in Lembeh Straights and every dive we discovered something new that we had never seen before, other people on the boat were raving about how good Bunaken was.......we found it like most other walls.........in fact for wall diving we thought PNG was better..... So .......you speak as you find, i found Whatever the dive sites we dived on in the Keys ......bland. But i accept that i only dived the bland ones.....and i'm sure there are dives there where one could thoroughly enjoy oneself. I feel that we have now been spoiled, we have seen more Turtles than enough, the same goes for Sharks (untill we run into one that gets the adrenalin going) ........we are now into "muck diving", for us it is the most satisfying diving we have done...........untill we discover something else. Was that a ramble or did i actually say something!!!! www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK >> It looks like you >> are making the same mistake, judging the area on the basis of what a >> tourist operator took you to see. > So .......you speak as you find, i found Whatever the dive sites we dived > on in the Keys ......bland. But i accept that i only dived the bland > ones.....and i'm sure there are dives there where one could thoroughly > enjoy oneself. Yep. Funny thing is, I don't even know who to recommend to you any more. There used to be a few dive operators we, meaning members of this group, knew who were more than willing to seek new sites and to travel further to take their customers to the sites they had found over the years. Unfortunately the competition for Keys tourist dollars took a lot out of them. Three of the best, Jim Wyatt, Banny Thorn and Gloria Tigue gave up and moved on to something or somewhere else. I don't know where Banny is, but Jim's up in Cave country and Gloria's a part owner of the Ismorada Bakery/Bob's Buns restaurant. The restaurant, by the way, is an excellent place for breakfast and the only place to buy Key Lime Pound Cake. Of course, there are still operators around that we like and respect, but none that I know personally that specialize in the more remote, better sites in the Key Largo area. > I feel that we have now been spoiled, we have seen more Turtles than > enough, the same goes for Sharks (untill we run into one that gets the > adrenalin going) ........we are now into "muck diving", for us it is the > most satisfying diving we have done...........untill we discover something > else. There's a lot to be said for Muck diving. Mike Gray, Bullshark (where the heck has he been) and I have all known to spend hours of happy diving hanging out above what most would consider baren seascape. Garden Eels are some of my most favorite marine animals. I can, and have, spent an entire dive watching them move in and out of their holes as I approach and move away. Personally, however, walls dives are my favorite, particularly those with extensive crevaces, overhangs and swim throughs. A lot of the attraction is the fact that Florida doesn't have significant walls, at least none I've found. We do, however, have some spectacular patch reefs, high profile tongue and groove structures and, in some places, some of the most dense fish populations I've experienced anywhere in the Bahamas, Caymans, Puerto Rico or Cozumel. > Was that a ramble or did i actually say something!!!! Who cares. It was interesting. Lee > Who cares. It was interesting. Last night i posted 3 pages of thumbnails to my website showing what we saw while diving Lembeh Straights, i did not have time to post the "bigger" images of same, if i get chance i will do so tonight. Talking of swim throughs etc, the Coral Sea was great for that kind of diving, forget which reef exactly but it was fantastic diving, crystal clear water too. www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK > Talking of swim throughs etc, the Coral Sea was great for that kind of > diving, forget which reef exactly but it was fantastic diving, crystal > clear water too. The Coral Sea is on my list of places I may visit one day. It's going to have to wait until I retire. That's on the other side of the world from me, literally, and if I'm going to invest that much in visiting, I'm going to spend enough time to make it worth while. Lee > The Coral Sea is on my list of places I may visit one day. It's going > to have to wait until I retire. That's on the other side of the world > from me, literally, and if I'm going to invest that much in visiting, > I'm going to spend enough time to make it worth while. Well i did'nt go home for lunch when i was there either.........it is the opposite side of the planet from the UK also, we had made a trip of it i admit, took three weeks in a camper to drive from Sydney up to Cairns, diving on the way at places where we stopped..... http://www.seatreker.com/Australia%20&%20Barrier%20Reef.htm Australia is for me........absolute paradise...... www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK > Well i did'nt go home for lunch when i was there either.........it is the > opposite side of the planet from the UK also, we had made a trip of it i > admit, took three weeks in a camper to drive from Sydney up to Cairns, > diving on the way at places where we stopped..... It's on the opposite side for me, both ways, east/west and north south. The problem is not so much me, In a pinch, I could take a couple of months off one time. I'm not likely to do that for two reasons: 1. I'm close to retirement and I get paid for unused leave. 2. My wife only gets 2 weeks a year. I'm not going without her. It'll still be there when I retire. Lee > It's on the opposite side for me, both ways, east/west and north south. Where are you situated ????? > The problem is not so much me, In a pinch, I could take a couple of > months off one time. I'm not likely to do that for two reasons: > 1. I'm close to retirement and I get paid for unused leave. > 2. My wife only gets 2 weeks a year. I'm not going without her. No, i would'nt go without mine either..... > It'll still be there when I retire. Yea, but it will become so popular and so overun with tourists and divers that you will wonder what the fuss was about.......;^) www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK > i did not have time to post the > "bigger" images of same, if i get chance i will do so tonight. I put them up last night for anyone that is interested........ www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK > >> whose readership are primarily local Floridians who think Key Largo > >> is God's gift to the scuba divers in the world. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Bob loves to take shots at local Floridians at least partly because he > doesn't like me. Lee loves to flatter himself -- and the above is a perfect example of such. I dived the Lower, Middle, and Upper keys in 1992, and knew right then and there that I would never go back there again -- and I never did. I ridiculed the Rodale rating of Molasses Reef in a post in Dec 1994. http://tinyurl.com/c3ap9 When did Lee Bell FIRST appear in ANY scuba forum? 1995!! Lee made his debut in Scuba-L in April 1995, and proceeded to make a fool of himself, not knowing the history of Mike Cochran and his Nemesis Pro dive computer, in a flamewar (Mike flamed ME for having found the errors in that computer! in rec.scuba, and eventually lost ALL of his credibility when he failed to deliver his promise of simulating my dive profile which the Nemesis Pro erred by at least 52 minutes about my "missed deco"), when both ORCA and UWATEC simulated that profile and declared it a NO DECO dive as I had known from the beginning, because I was diving with two ORCAs at the same time when the Nemesis failed. Lee was quick to stick his foot in his mouth defending Cochran (figuring Cochran must be a bigger fish than the Reef Fish in his knowledge about dive computers), Lee has been sticking FEET in his mouth ever since. Trust me, Lee. You are a NOBODY in any assessment about ANYTHING related to scuba, because you ARE a nobody who errs in most scuba related subjects than anyone I've read in all the scuba forums. There may well be many who are more ignorant (or as ignorant) as you are about scuba matters, but they DON'T POST as much about subjects they DON'T KNOW, as Lee Bell posts them, and then argue till his face turn blue to try to defend his ERRORS. Lee even spent posts flaming me for not knowing where the Georgetown Pier (next to Devil's Grotto) was when I had been boarding the Cayman Aggressor from that Pier for years. :-) http://tinyurl.com/8od4a That was just the beginning. You've got to read the follow-up posts about how Lee couldn't even remember the NAME of the Eden Rock shop and said it was Eden Roc or Eden's Rock ... it turned out Lee's total confusion was finally admitted by him that he thought the town of Georgetown was the same as the Georgetown Pier. That's Lee Bell's patented trademark: Keeps arguing even after it has been shown or proven that he is unequivocally WRONG. The irony of the Eden Rock saga was that LEE was the one who tried to pick a fight on the TWO LINES I wrote which he thought was wrong because HE was wrong about the Georgetown Pier! :-) > Bob loves to take shots at local Floridians at least partly because he > doesn't like me. Lee is at least partly right there. I dislike Lee because of the way he keeps ARGUING when he is WRONG, and his repeated attempts to put in his uninformed jabs at me even after he said he had be killfiled for years. Nothing personal Lee. Just the way you ACT. I would do the same to ANYONE who acts as stupidly as you did/do. Trust me. Those who knew me and had been reading my postings for years (such as those in Scuba-L, Scuba-SE) know that for sure! -- Bob. >> Bob loves to take shots at local Floridians at least partly because he >> doesn't like me. > > Lee loves to flatter himself -- and the above is a perfect example of > such. Yeah, right. > When did Lee Bell FIRST appear in ANY scuba forum? 1995!! Bob has not idea, particularly since my first appearances, years before anything Bob is aware of, were through a free access service offered by the local library. In fact, I first became active on scuba forums in 1986. No surprise. Bob has never let the truth get in the way of his fantasies. > Trust me, Lee. Not real likely. You're a proven liar. > Nothing personal Lee. Case in point. Lee > >> Bob loves to take shots at local Floridians at least partly because he > >> doesn't like me. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > local library. In fact, I first became active on scuba forums in 1986. No > surprise. Bob has never let the truth get in the way of his fantasies. As I said, first in 1995 -- Lee doesn't know how to use google.groups to find out facts about ALL usenet newsgroups since 1981. Lee found various rec.boats in 1993, but did not find rec.scuba until March 1995, and Scuba-L until April 1995, and that was why he started sticking feet in his mouth as I documented, and had been doing it ever since. > > Trust me, Lee. Creative editing by what is now widely known in the group he has been around since 1995 -- and divers knew him best -- DING DONG. The complete quote should have been: Nothing personal Lee. Just the way you ACT. I would do the same to ANYONE who acts as stupidly as you did/do. Trust me. Those who knew me and had been reading my postings for years (such as those in Scuba-L, Scuba-SE) know that for sure! and the actual post by Lee in which he acted stupidly about the Georgetown Pier, what he called Eden Roc, and the rest of his arguing on empty. Folks in ngs and lists flame me for all kind of things, but no one ever gets away for calling me a liar -- DING DONG Lee is certainly no exception. Evidence about Lee's ignorance about linear functions (as NOT in Boyle's law), about computer tables, about dive computers, about buoyancy control, about dive physics and diving physiology and a long list of his ERRORS are encased in the google.groups archives. Liar? How come you didn't mention anything about EPIRB this time? :-) Lee had to dig deep into the Scuba-SE list to find an example to LIE about (he thought nobody in rec.scuba would know), until I posted facts from that thread that definitively showed that Lee was the one LYING. Lee did the same several times (while he had me killfiled) because he didn't see his lie exposed by me! :-) That's how STUPID Lee is too. He finally read the FACTS about how Lee Bell lied, and had not mentioned his EPIRB lie in recent posts. You are a very stupid LIAR, Lee. > Not real likely. You're a proven liar. > > > Nothing personal Lee. Creative editing by Lee of the same lines: Nothing personal Lee. Just the way you ACT. I would do the same to ANYONE who acts as stupidly as you did/do. Trust me. Those who knew me and had been reading my postings for years (such as those in Scuba-L, Scuba-SE) know that for sure! Scuba-SE is the de-facto original Scuba-L, and the group in which Lee dared not try his tactics on me, and where he is simply an obfuscating DING DONG with zero credibility. > Case in point. > > Lee Right. About Eden Roc? Or the rest of the stuff exemplified by actual quotes about Lee in my rec.scuba "celebrity quiz"? LOL! -- Bob. > > > When did Lee Bell FIRST appear in ANY scuba forum? 1995!! >> Bob has not idea, particularly since my first appearances, years before >> anything Bob is aware of, were through a free access service offered by >> the >> local library. In fact, I first became active on scuba forums in 1986. >> No >> surprise. Bob has never let the truth get in the way of his fantasies. > As I said, first in 1995 -- Lee doesn't know how to use google.groups > to find out facts about ALL usenet newsgroups since 1981. Lee found > various rec.boats in 1993, but did not find rec.scuba until March 1995, > and > Scuba-L until April 1995, and that was why he started sticking feet in his > mouth as I documented, and had been doing it ever since. Like I said, Bob doesn't let the fact get in the way of his fantasies. The name Lee Bell may not have showed up in the forums, but the person Lee Bell was there from 1986 on and in usenet even before that. Even if he were correct. what's the point? > Trust me. . . . We've already covered this one. > How come you didn't mention anything about EPIRB this time? :-) Because that was an example of ignorance rather than dishonesty. It was also a pretty good example of your unwillingness to admit when you made a mistake. > Lee had to dig deep into the Scuba-SE list to find an example to LIE about > . . . Not at all. I've pointed at your lies twice in this thread alone. > Scuba-SE is the de-facto original Scuba-L, and the group in which > Lee dared not try his tactics on me, and where he is simply an > obfuscating DING DONG with zero credibility. No, Scuba SE is where we went after you made such an a.s of yourself that the list manager implemented censorship to put a stop to it. Scuba SE is where we settled after I asked Jeff if it would be OK if we moved there. Scuba SE was never, ever, the dynamic forum that Scuba L had been. Instead it was a place where a bunch of old codgers, all of whom had more diving experience that was good for them, could hang out together. It still is. The newer entries to the sport stayed behind, deprived of a remarkable mass of collective diving knowledge and experience thanks to one obnoxious old man who simply could not behave and one overbearing list manager who could not leave well enough alone. The bigger mistake was Nicks, but you started the fight . . . as usual. Lee > > Scuba-L until April 1995, and that was why he started sticking feet in his > > mouth as I documented, and had been doing it ever since. > > Even if he were correct. what's the point? How quickly Lee forgets about his self-flattering post saying I dislike the keys because I dislike Lee Bell, and I pointed out that I had posted in Scuba-L and rec.scuba in 1992 and 1994 about my dislike before Mr. DING DONG even existed in those forums. THAT was/is the point. > > Trust me. . . . > > We've already covered this one. About your creative editing to obfuscate. > > Scuba-SE is the de-facto original Scuba-L, and the group in which > > Lee dared not try his tactics on me, and where he is simply an [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the list manager implemented censorship to put a stop to it. Scuba SE is > where we settled after I asked Jeff if it would be OK if we moved there. Two of Lee's lies right there! > Scuba SE was never, ever, the dynamic forum that Scuba L had been. I had shown, in the Scuba-SE archives, that in three years, there were more posts in Scuba-SE than the 15 years in Scuba-L ! > Instead > it was a place where a bunch of old codgers, all of whom had more diving > experience that was good for them, could hang out together. It still is. Translation: the experienced discussant there ALL had better KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCE about scuba diving than Lee Bell; so much so that Lee began his scuba fantasies on the clueless in rec.scuba, some of whom actually believe his crap. That's why NOW every time Lee wags his foot in scuba-SE, someone would tell him to sell his bill of goods to the gullible in res.scuba! > The bigger mistake was Nicks, but you started the fight . . . as usual. > > Lee One more of Lee's BIG LIES. Hugh Huntzinger and Nick Simicich started an underground movement to CENSOR me, while I was diving in Cozumel, for two weeks. When I return and found out what happened, the tide had already turned on Nick about his attempted censorship. About 3 people Nick's side, among hundreds. The rest moved to Scuba-SE when Jeff volunteered his dormant LIST to be Scuba-L's temporary site, which turned out to be the permanent one since Scuba-L has gone moribund, and on Nick's last censorship on my post of satire, he was swiftly kicked by Brown to take his Dominitrix act somewhere else. That's why Hugh Hunzinger is essentially the one-man-band in Scuba-L ever since the real core or Scuba-L chose to leave Nick to his dictatorship playground. It's all in the archives of BOTH lists about this hedious history, Nothing Lee can LIE about that would change this historical facts. Lee was in fact one of the few who left who was recruited by the clanestine group, which Lee wisely declined when he saw the hand- writing on the wall that Nick and Hugh Hunzingers were the dead ducks in THAT campaign. Just another chapter in Lee Bell's fantasy and LIES. -- Bob. >> Even if he were correct. what's the point? > > How quickly Lee forgets about his self-flattering post saying I dislike > the keys because I dislike Lee Bell, and I pointed out that I had posted > in > Scuba-L and rec.scuba in 1992 and 1994 about my dislike before Mr. > DING DONG even existed in those forums. THAT was/is the point. No, you mouth off about it because you dislike me. I ask again, what does how long I've been involved with scuba forums have to do with your comment? >> Trust me. . . . >> >> We've already covered this one. > > About your creative editing to obfuscate. Nothing creative about it. Listen really, really closely. You are not trustworthy. > One more of Lee's BIG LIES. Hugh Huntzinger and Nick Simicich started > an underground movement to CENSOR me . . . I believe that's what I said. You were so obnoxious that the list manager decided to censor you. As unacceptalbe as that was, you earned it. > Lee was in fact one of the few who left who was recruited by the > clanestine group, which Lee wisely declined when he saw the hand- > writing on the wall that Nick and Hugh Hunzingers were the dead > ducks in THAT campaign. There was an attempt to recruit me. The attempt did not succeed. We've had this discussion before too. You were wrong then, you are wrong now. Don't let the facts get in the way of your fantasy. Leaving the list had nothing to do with Hugh and certainly was not in support of anything you said or did. Like I said, you started the fight. Nick ended it. You, and all the rest of those on Scuba L at the time, lost. or anyone else. It had everythign to do with my unwillingness to participate in a censored formum. As for Hugh, unlike you, he does not require people to agree with them to be friends. On and off line, he is a friend. He's been to my home and he's welcome in my home again. You, on the other hand, are so wrapped up in your own ego that you have no respect for others who don't share your fantasies. It really must suck to be you. Lee > >> Even if he were correct. what's the point? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > No, you mouth off about it because you dislike me. I could have mouthed off about it because I disliked Lee Bell EVEN BEFORE I, or anyone else, knew that Lee Bell existed? I stated my dislike about it in 1992! Lee Bell is nowhere to be found ANYWHERE in USENET before 1995 -- that how utterly STOOOPID you are, Lee! The rest of your post is no less stupid that what you said above. > Lee The ever-foot-in-the-mouth DING DONG Lee Bell. -- Bob. >> No, you mouth off about it because you dislike me. > I could have mouthed off about it because I disliked Lee Bell > EVEN BEFORE I, or anyone else, knew that Lee Bell existed? > I stated my dislike about it in 1992! Lee Bell is nowhere to be > found ANYWHERE in USENET before 1995 -- that how utterly > STOOOPID you are, Lee! One more time for the comprehension impaired. I was around in 1986. That's 6 years before the date you claim you first stated that there was no worthwhile diving in Florida, so yes, it's quite possible that our fellings about one another was a factor all the way back then. The first time I saw you express your opinion on Florida diving, I told you that you simply had not been exposed to the better Florida dive sites. As a diver, you are a follower. Your idea of a wonderful dive is to be taken by the hand and led to things a DM wants you to see. That's your choice, but, just like I said before, the risk is that you'll see only what is convienient for some tourist oriented, monitarily focused operator to show you. That's exactly what happened to you in Florida. Your statements aren't stupid, they are ignorant. Having been shown your ignorance, in public, for all to see, you continue to demonstrate your lack of knowledge for all to see. That, is stupid. Lee > >> No, you mouth off about it because you dislike me. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 6 years before the date you claim you first stated that there was no > worthwhile diving in Florida, For the LAST time, STOOPID, there was NO Lee Bell in any SCUBA newsgroups or listserv lists that is google archived, before 1995, so how is it possible that I, or anyone else, knew that Lee Bell "was around" before 1995? Why don't you show any evidence of what group you were in (name the group and dates)? You have ZERO credibility, Lee. It really takes someone who ACTS and POSTS as stupidly as you do, Lee, to have the unadulterated gall to think my opinion on ANYTHING depends on Lee Bell, let alone depends on Lee Bell even before he made his idiotic debut in rec.scuba and scuba-L in 1995 -- during those years I posted in scuba groups since 1987. You ARE senile. Your illusion of grandeur is caused by your senility. Stupidity alone would not have sufficed. -- Bob. >> One more time for the comprehension impaired. I was around in 1986. >> That's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > so how is it possible that I, or anyone else, knew that Lee Bell "was > around" before 1995? Your ignorance does not make your statement true. Your inability to find me before I had an email address that included my name demonstrates only your ignorance. It does not reflect on the accuracy of my statements. I met my wife, in 1986, on a scuba forum. > Why don't you show any evidence of what group you were in (name > the group and dates)? You have ZERO credibility, Lee. Glad to. I met my wife on a scuba forum in 1988. She's pretty solid evidence that I was around before 1995. It is not I that has no credibility. Lee > >> One more time for the comprehension impaired. I was around in 1986. > >> That's [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Glad to. I met my wife on a scuba forum in 1988. She's pretty solid > evidence that I was around before 1995. But NOBODY in this newsgroup knew you existed until 1995, if they knew at all. Just don't flatter yourself about what I posted in 1992 and 1994 were because of some non-existent Lee Bell in those groups or any of the USENET newsgroups or listserv LISTS. That's why you have absolutely no credibility BESIDES being very stupid! > It is not I that has no credibility. > > Lee You have plenty of STUPIDITY. You are arguing the same you way you were arguing about your knowledge of the Georgetown Pier, Eden Roc, in the post I cited; and in the rest of your posts arguing on empty. The empty DING DONG. Keep it up. -- Bob. >> Glad to. I met my wife on a scuba forum in 1988. She's pretty solid >> evidence that I was around before 1995. > But NOBODY in this newsgroup knew you existed until 1995, if they > knew at all. Just because you didn't know, even after having been told multiple times, does not mean that nobody else did. I'm waiting for your admission that you were wrong. I won't hold my breath. Lee "Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Glad to. I met my wife on a scuba forum in 1988. You are much more efficient than me. I actually had to go diving to meet mine. Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > :Glad to. I met my wife on a scuba forum in 1988. > You are much more efficient than me. I actually had to go diving to > meet mine. Some days are diamonds. We corresponded for quite a while before we actually met. She mentioned she would be working at a job fair kind of event that used to be held each year and I stopped by to meet her. We were friends first. Lee > We corresponded for quite a while before we actually met. She mentioned > she would be working at a job fair kind of event that used to be held each > year and I stopped by to meet her. Sounds like stalking to me. > For the LAST time, STOOPID, there was NO Lee Bell in any SCUBA > newsgroups or listserv lists that is google archived, before 1995... Invalid Claim. Basis: "Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence" (1). Historically, Google did not exist as an entity until 1998 (2), and prior to 1998, there simply were no entities who were maintaining a comprehensively complete USENET archive. As such, all records that currently exist within Google prior to their existance were collected after-the-fact and inclusion was happenstance (ie, "luck"), due to the lack of any formalized collection process to inherit. As such, it is invalid to assume that the database was ever complete (3), let alone is complete today (4). -hh (1) - Quote is from era of Fleischmann & Pons "Cold Fusion" fame. (2) - See: http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/history.html#1998 (3) - IE, prior to any subsequent history of the database's retention. (4) - Alludes to Hipcrime's damage to the [then Deja] database ~1998. > > For the LAST time, STOOPID, there was NO Lee Bell in any SCUBA > > newsgroups or listserv lists that is google archived, before 1995... > > Invalid Claim. Basis: "Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of > Absence" (1). A typical hh (Supreme Hypocrite) trying to write something that resembles the result of a scholarly research, but MISSING the key elements of ACTUAL evidence that is RELEVANT. Between Jan 1 1994 and Jan 1 1995, google had a complete history of scuba-L posts in 7,880 threads. google had a complete history of rec.scuba posts in 16,600 threads. Lee Bell was nowhere to be found in either group before 1995, or in any usenet ngs for that matter. Between Jan 1 1995 and Jun 1 1995, google had Lee Bell in exactly 4 posts in 4 threads in rec,scuba -- the debut of newbie Lee. Bell google had Lee Bell in 42 threads in Scuba-L -- the newbie Lee. While it is true that certain records in google were LOST by those who kept the archives of the groups. Nick Simicich was one of those bozos who lost (he claimed) several YEARS worth of Scuba-L archives before the early 1990s because his computer crashed, while in reality, he was erasing his own evidence of stupidity during those years when he was arguing about buoyancy control and other scuba subjects without knowing anything about those subject. In that respect, Nick can be credited as being the forerunner to Nixon's erased tapes, though Nixon had never descended to the role of a malevolent dictator as Nick did, with Hugh Huntzinger as the co-conspirator. Lee Bell's non-existence in USENET scuba forums before 1995 is questioned only by a low-level army peon, trying to write something that has the appearance of some research, but citing sources of complete irrelavance in the case of Lee Bell, as the REAL evidence is shown above. -- Bob. > A typical hh (Supreme Hypocrite) trying to write something that > resembles the result of a scholarly research, but MISSING the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Lee Bell was nowhere to be found in either group before 1995, or > in any usenet ngs for that matter. To quote the master, "> A typical Supreme Hypocrite trying to write something that > resembles the result of a scholarly research, but MISSING the > key elements of ACTUAL evidence that is RELEVANT. The fact that you did not find me between January of 1994 and January of 1995 is not evidence that I was not there and doesn't address where I was prior to 1994 at all. Your statement that I was not there, or in any other newsgroup prior to 1995 is completely without support. > While it is true that certain records in google were LOST by those > who kept the archives of the groups. Nick Simicich was one of > those bozos who lost (he claimed) several YEARS worth of > Scuba-L archives before the early 1990s . . . So you knew that the data you claimed proved your statement was incomplete at the time you made the statement. Were you equally unethical when applying statistical support in your former profession? > Lee Bell's non-existence in USENET scuba forums before 1995 is > questioned only by a low-level army peon, trying to write something > that has the appearance of some research, but citing sources of > complete irrelavance in the case of Lee Bell, as the REAL evidence > is shown above. Having the proof you requested, aren't you beginning to feel a bit foolish? Aren't you beginning to suspect that you really as as ignorant as I've repeatedly claimed? I have to say, if I weren't having so much fun watching you trash your own credibility, I'd take the time to see if I couldn't find some of my earliest posts, those made back when I was using the public library's free internet service. Maybe later, after you've dug your grave a bit deeper. Lee > google had a complete history of scuba-L posts in 7,880 threads. > google had a complete history of rec.scuba posts in 16,600 threads. Citation, please. Specifically, the proof that either database has been demonstrably proven to be fully complete within Google. > While it is true that certain records in google were LOST by those > who kept the archives of the groups... Which is an admission that Google doesn't have a complete history afterall, which means that your declaration that they do is a lie. The basic problem here is trying to prove the absolute non-existance of a record that could simply be one of the ones missing from a known-incompete data set. This is a fool's errand, so you are thus volunteering (once again) to be the fool. -hh > This is a fool's errand, so you are thus volunteering (once again) to > be the fool. No one can argue that he's not qualified. Lee > > google had a complete history of scuba-L posts in 7,880 threads. > > google had a complete history of rec.scuba posts in 16,600 threads. You forgot to cite that was google's record between Jan 1 1994 and Jan 1 1995. > Citation, please. That was my citation. If you don't know HOW to get those figures from google, it's YOUR ignorance. > > While it is true that certain records in google were LOST by those > > who kept the archives of the groups... Against you forgot to cite the time frame I gave. ... from 1987 to 1994. > Which is an admission that Google doesn't have a complete history > afterall, which means that your declaration that they do is a lie. My declaration of complete history was about 1994. Your failure to tend to details and inability to verified the facts merely showed that you are an example that "military intelligence is an oxymoron". In particular, you are a REAL moron, when it comes to sticking your army peon nose into this thread because of your "permanent grudge" against me, declared in 1995 by you. > The basic problem here is trying to prove the absolute non-existance of > a record that could simply be one of the ones missing from a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -hh That is an apt statement about hh (Hugh Huntzinger the Supreme Hypocrite) himeself. -- Bob. "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message > My declaration of complete history was about 1994. Is that anything like the Declaration of Independence? You are so funny; welsh on any bets lately? > "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You are so funny; welsh on any bets lately? I could find someone to administer us IQ tests in Cozumel, but that's not a good idea. I get intellectually challenged on vacation, what with all the nitrogen and ethanol abuse clouding my mind. Often it's difficult enough to remember which button lets the air out of my BC. > I could find someone to administer us IQ tests in Cozumel, but that's not > a good idea. I get intellectually challenged on vacation, what with all > the nitrogen and ethanol abuse clouding my mind. Often it's difficult > enough to remember which button lets the air out of my BC. The Isla Cozumel dive report should be interesting. Dan B. spoke highly of Bob after their meeting, if I remember correctly. "ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :The Isla Cozumel dive report should be interesting. Dan B. spoke highly of :Bob after their meeting, if I remember correctly. You do indeed. I did indeed. Still do. Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message >> My declaration of complete history was about 1994. > > Is that anything like the Declaration of Independence? > > You are so funny; welsh on any bets lately? bob singlemouthedly is responsible for global warming! what a torrent of hot air, all without basis or comprehension. > This is a fool's errand, so you are thus volunteering (once again) to > be the fool. Bob volunteering to be a fool is like a square volunteering to have 4 sides.  SignatureSteve The above can be construed as personal opinion in the absence of a reasonable belief that it was intended as a statement of fact. If you want a reply to reach me, remove the SPAMTRAP from the address. Interesting, so what you are saying is the guy that claimed I did not know how to use Google, in fact, did not know how to use Google himself. I like it. Lee _________________ Lee's Rule In any heated discussion, he or she who first resorts to name calling has run out of meaningful dialog and may be presumed to have lost the point. >> For the LAST time, STOOPID, there was NO Lee Bell in any SCUBA >> newsgroups or listserv lists that is google archived, before 1995... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > (3) - IE, prior to any subsequent history of the database's retention. > (4) - Alludes to Hipcrime's damage to the [then Deja] database ~1998. > Interesting, so what you are saying is the guy that claimed I did not know > how to use Google, in fact, did not know how to use Google himself. > > I like it. > > Lee DING DONG, what it proved was that neither you nor hh Hugh who stepped into the sh.t you dropped knew how to use Google to ascertain FACTS about usenet newsgroups and listserv lists. Now THAT stoopidy of you two is laughable. -- Bob. > DING DONG, what it proved was that neither you nor hh Hugh who stepped > into the sh.t you dropped knew how to use Google to ascertain FACTS > about usenet newsgroups and listserv lists. > > Now THAT stoopidy of you two is laughable. I have no problem using Google. I do it all the time. I do not, however, have any need to use it to know what I was doing from 1986 to now. I've been married to the woman I met in a forum you claim you've proven I wasn't in for 15 years. Like I said, don't let the fact get in the way of your fantasy. Lee > > DING DONG, what it proved was that neither you nor hh Hugh who stepped > > into the sh.t you dropped knew how to use Google to ascertain FACTS [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I have no problem using Google. I do it all the time. I do not, however, > have any need to use it to know what I was doing from 1986 to now. That's because you DON'T know how. That's also because you didn't know how to get the FACTS I showed that came from Google to show that Lee Bell did not exist in any newsgroup OR google- archived LIST -- specifically rec.scuba (ng) and Scuba-L (LIST) before 1995! > I've been married to the woman I met in a forum you claim you've proven I > wasn't in for 15 years. Like I said, don't let the fact get in the way of > your fantasy. > > Lee That means whatever forum you were in was NOT (a) a USENET newsgroup, and (b) not a google archived LIST (such as scuba-L). Those are the PERTINENT facts about your existence. The fact that you were in some kind of private chat room subscribed by your employer for you to play in is entirely relevant to my point that I couldn't possibly have trashed the Florida keys in 1992 in my review because of some ignorant, self-flattering NOBODY named Lee Bell, because no Lee Bell existed in any NEWSGROUP before 1995. So there! Your opinion is worthless to me or anyone else Lee, on this matter. You are a legend only in your empty big head. -- Bob. > That means whatever forum you were in was NOT (a) a USENET > newsgroup, and (b) not a google archived LIST (such as scuba-L). Christ almighty.........who gives a sh.t........ www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK > > That means whatever forum you were in was NOT (a) a USENET > > newsgroup, and (b) not a google archived LIST (such as scuba-L). > > Christ almighty.........who gives a sh.t........ At least ONE with good reason -- to debunk the obviously false statement Lee Bell made about me on my dislike of Florida keys because I dislike HIM. At least TWO others did, to frivolously prolong this thread -- by not recognizing the perfectly obvious: Lee Bell and Hugh Huntzinger. At least TWO others did -- Ben Bradlee, and now Dave Morgan -- if they don't give a sh.t, they should have just NOT READ the subthread of Lee Bell's fantasy. That's the way it is, in USENET posting and reading. It's about time you learn how you're expected to behave in an Open, Unmoderated, Public Forum. If I did what YOU are doing, I would have posted at least 100 times about what you post, "who gives a sh.t"? Instead, when I see all those dive locations I'll likely never go or care to go, I simply NOT READ what you or others have to say about it. -- Bob. > At least TWO others did -- Ben Bradlee, and now Dave Morgan -- if > they don't give a sh.t, they should have just NOT READ the subthread > of Lee Bell's fantasy. Looks like i'm guilty of prolonging the thread then. In my defense, i had (stupid i know) a forlorn hope that it might be dive related. In my naievety i thought that this forum was about dive locations and people read about various dive locations around the world, am i posting my passionate hobby findings in the wrong forum ? Could someone, anyone, who has read or looked at what i have to say give a simple "ay"............. www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK > In my naievety i thought that this forum was about dive locations and > people read about various dive locations around the world, am i posting my > passionate hobby findings in the wrong forum ? > > Could someone, anyone, who has read or looked at what i have to say give a > simple "ay"............. You're correct in what its supposed to be about. To that end, I've started a new inquiry (East Africa) ... I'm hoping that it might be a destination that you've perhaps researched, since the UK's quite a bit closer to the region than a lot of the rest of us...there's a non-stop flight on British Air from Heithrow to DAR. -hh > I'm hoping that it might be a > destination that you've perhaps researched Its not somewhere that i have been too, save Kenya a few years ago, but that was before i found out about scuba....... www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK > > At least TWO others did -- Ben Bradlee, and now Dave Morgan -- if > > they don't give a sh.t, they should have just NOT READ the subthread > > of Lee Bell's fantasy. > > Looks like i'm guilty of prolonging the thread then. In my defense, i had > (stupid i know) a forlorn hope that it might be dive related. As a matter of fact, I ALWAYS start with dive related postings -- the latest ones include Belize, Nassau, Top 10 locations, and ... the Florida Keys. Often this group's Dysfunctional Gang (many of whom are also IDIOTS) would join in with their noise to prolong the thread a long time. This time it was Lee Bell with his impertinence about my impression of the Keys was because I dislike HIM -- clearly the stupidity of someone who has an overblown image of himself, having been driven away (as now the resident DING DONG) from other groups. Then, others would invariably join in. I see some of them now -- the Aldora IDIOT Ron Lee. The IDIOT Bob Crownfield who hadn't dive a single time this millenium, but usually joined in with his usual barks. > In my naievety i thought that this forum was about dive locations and > people read about various dive locations around the world, am i posting my > passionate hobby findings in the wrong forum ? When you first appeared in this forum, I had warned you already that you're in the wrong place! What you are seeing NOW in this thread, TODAY, is the business as usual "festival of the Dysfunctional Gang" in rec.scuba. > Could someone, anyone, who has read or looked at what i have to say give a > simple "ay"............. The silence is deafening, isn't it? > www.seatreker.com > Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK -- Bob. P.S. Members of the Dysfunctional Gang <see archives about Who's Who>, you can hold your breath waiting for my follow-up on your noise. I'll be having a NEDfest <tm> with some of the best known divers in the world, in Sydney. > The silence is deafening, isn't it? I knew it when i posted it........still i have put my foot in my mouth before, no doubt i will do it again........ At least you put your hand in the air.......so thank you for that. Take it easy....... www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK morgand@cix.compulink.co.uk pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Could someone, anyone, who has read or looked at what i have to say give a :simple "ay"............. ay Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > ay YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAA>>>>>>>> i'm a hopin and a skipin all the way home today........ Thank you sir. www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK > Could someone, anyone, who has read or looked at what i have to say give a > simple "ay"............. AY!!!!!!! > *From:* "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> > *Date:* Mon, 06 Feb 2006 05:04:42 GMT [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > AY!!!!!!! Thank you Sir......i just knew i was asking for trouble......;^) www.seatreker.com Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK > > *From:* "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> > > > > AY!!!!!!! > > > Thank you Sir......i just knew i was asking for trouble......;^) You sure are, from Madam chilly. (~.~) >> *From:* "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> >> *Date:* Mon, 06 Feb 2006 05:04:42 GMT [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >www.seatreker.com >Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK Dave, next time you give Chilly a jiggle, just remember to do it north of the border. Signaturedillon Could have been is in the past Could be is in the future There is only the now >That's the way it is, in USENET posting and reading. It's about time >you learn how you're expected to behave in an Open, Unmoderated, >Public Forum. >-- Bob. Bob you have zero credibility on telling ANYONE that they must adhere to any civilized manner in this forum. You are the epitome of rude, belligerent and childish. Lee on the other hand has provided helpful advice to people for many years. Whether it is one, 10 or 20 is not relevant. One more thing Bob. We all know that you are the smartest, best-travelled, bestest-everything person around so there is no need to resort to self-aggrandizement. We all pale in comparison to your wonderfulness. Ron Lee > who gives a sh.t........ Bob. He keeps pounding away. >> who gives a sh.t........ > > Bob. He keeps pounding away. and soon it will be full ! >> I have no problem using Google. I do it all the time. I do not, >> however, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > archived LIST -- specifically rec.scuba (ng) and Scuba-L (LIST) > before 1995! When your facts contradict reality, we call it fantasy. Like I said, don't let the facts get in the way of your fantasy. > That means whatever forum you were in was NOT (a) a USENET > newsgroup, and (b) not a google archived LIST (such as scuba-L). No, it means that you are wrong . . . again. > So there! Your opinion is worthless to me or anyone else Lee, on > this matter. You are a legend only in your empty big head. Then you'll stop responding now, right. Lee > > to show that Lee Bell did not exist in any newsgroup OR google- > > archived LIST -- specifically rec.scuba (ng) and Scuba-L (LIST) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > No, it means that you are wrong . . . again. Then show ONE post of yours prior to 1995, that could refute any of my statements above. Big Mouth. -- Bob. > > That means whatever forum you were in was NOT (a) a USENET > > newsgroup, and (b) not a google archived LIST (such as scuba-L). > > No, it means that you are wrong . . . again. It is merely YA case where Bob was wrong, and for which Bob has adamantly refused to admit it, so he tried to "move the goalposts" to conceal being wrong...and once again, got caught. Bob's original statement was: "When did Lee Bell FIRST appear in ANY scuba forum?" (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.scuba.locations/msg/5498b9e4b3478883?hl=en&) Bob's specific use of CAP's for the word "ANY" makes it very explicit that he intended to be all-encompassing, notwithstanding his current revisionist attempts to the contrary. >> So there! Your opinion is worthless to me or anyone else Lee, on >> this matter. You are a legend only in your empty big head. > > Then you'll stop responding now, right. Bob simply can't stop, for having anyone pay any attention to him is the candle to the moth. -hh |
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