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Elliott Goldstein - 23 Jan 2006 19:00 GMT
i finally got my pictures up on my web site from my trip to cozumel a
couple of weeks ago. here is the address:
http://www.public.asu.edu/~elliotg/
enjoy
elliott
Chris Bergquist - 23 Jan 2006 21:37 GMT
Great pictures.  You say you use a "All pictures were taken with a Sony
P7 digital camera using a color correcting filter".  Can you tell me more
about the color correcting filter?  Does it attach to the camera or to
the housing?  What make housing do you have?

Chris

> i finally got my pictures up on my web site from my trip to cozumel a
> couple of weeks ago. here is the address:
> http://www.public.asu.edu/~elliotg/
> enjoy
> elliott
Elliott Goldstein - 23 Jan 2006 22:28 GMT
everything is sony- camera, housing (but i got it from B & H photo)
and the lens, it is a pink one that mounts on the
housing. the pictures definitely come out with better color then
without it, but i still have to run everything- color and brightness
correction- on photoshop elements.

elliott

Chris

>Great pictures.  You say you use a "All pictures were taken with a Sony
>P7 digital camera using a color correcting filter".  Can you tell me more
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Elliott Goldstein - 24 Jan 2006 19:04 GMT
chris- in answer to your off line question (i can't respond to you
directly, it bounces back) i could not find the color number of my
filter. it is similar to the rose colored lens in some dive masks.
the color of your pics is similar to mine before i photoshop them. that
is the key, even with a filter, they still have to be photoshoped. the
deeper the dive, the more red you loose and the more correction is
required.
i love photoshop, i think it is gods gift to underwater photography. i
would suggest you keep your primary pics and make copies of them to
experiment on in photoshop.
elliott

>Great pictures.  You say you use a "All pictures were taken with a Sony
>P7 digital camera using a color correcting filter".  Can you tell me more
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Chris Bergquist - 25 Jan 2006 23:11 GMT
Thanks Elliot.  I have Adobe Photoshop Album, Printshop PhotoPro and
something that came with the camera (Canon PhotoStuido).  I'll give them
a try.

I stopped in a high end camera shop and the salesman told me they don't
make a filter that will work with my housing.  But he did tell me to try
customizing the  "white balance".  Basically (I think) it adjusts the
predominate color to white.  He had a red piece of paper that he used to
set the white balance then took a picture of the paper...it was almost
white.  Not sure how that is going to work with the lack of red (at
depth) that results in a blue tint......

> chris- in answer to your off line question (i can't respond to you
> directly, it bounces back) i could not find the color number of my
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>> > enjoy
>> > elliott
Dan Bracuk - 26 Jan 2006 01:23 GMT
Chris Bergquist <chrisberg*NOSPAM*@pacbell.net> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:I stopped in a high end camera shop and the salesman told me they don't
:make a filter that will work with my housing.

If it's a Sony housing, ask Sony.  If they don't make it anymore, at
least get the model number and try to find one on eBay.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Chris Bergquist - 31 Jan 2006 00:54 GMT
Not a Sony UW housing......Canon WP-DC30. Canon makes filters for the camera but I have
not been able to find one that attaches to the UW housing.

Chris

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Jack Sloan - 31 Jan 2006 02:59 GMT
> Not a Sony UW housing......Canon WP-DC30. Canon makes filters for the camera but I have
> not been able to find one that attaches to the UW housing.
>
> Chris

My memory has faded on the filter in question...but I think it is a -cr39-
or something very much like that.
Jack
Jack Sloan - 31 Jan 2006 03:04 GMT
> > Not a Sony UW housing......Canon WP-DC30. Canon makes filters for the
> camera but I have
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> or something very much like that.
> Jack

Nah..Never mind cr39 is sunglasses.
Jack
Elliott Goldstein - 25 Jan 2006 23:29 GMT
i am sorry that i can't reply offline. my camera is set to auto for
white balance, in fact, it is all auto. i can't change settings and
breathe underwater at the same time.
i use photoshop elements which is different from photoshop album. i
really like elements, i think it is more important than the color
filter. i just use the auto correct for color and brightness. i wish i
knew more to be able to use the advance features.
elliott

>Great pictures.  You say you use a "All pictures were taken with a Sony
>P7 digital camera using a color correcting filter".  Can you tell me more
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shawn - 29 Jan 2006 16:44 GMT
Hi, i just returned from a trip to Curacao and a friend of mine had a
Canon Powershot A95 with an underwater housing...took FANTASTIC pics! i
have the A75 but never thought to get an underwater housing for it.
Both cameras have an underwater setting that adds red...again FANTASTIC
shots that didn't need photoshop! gotta get my camera underwater!

http://marybrooke.com/

shawn
Chris Bergquist - 31 Jan 2006 00:59 GMT
I have the A75 and have used the "sceen" setting for underwater....still
get a lot of blue in all my photos.  Hence the search for a red filter....

Is that the setting your friend used?

Chris

> Hi, i just returned from a trip to Curacao and a friend of mine had a
> Canon Powershot A95 with an underwater housing...took FANTASTIC pics! i
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> shawn
Dan Bracuk - 23 Jan 2006 23:07 GMT
Elliott Goldstein <e.goldstein@asu.edu> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

:http://www.public.asu.edu/~elliotg/
:enjoy

I did.  How did you get that toadfish out into the open?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Al Rudderham - 24 Jan 2006 05:18 GMT
>How did you get that toadfish out into the open?

Last year when I was there my divemaster friend "tickled" a Splendid
Toadfish, first on the top of his head (all that was showing) and then
progressively along his body as he came out of the hole.  She said he
quivers when she strokes him.  (The Toadfish might have been a "she".)

I got several decent shots.  I had no idea their fins were tipped with
bright yellow until then.

That divemaster is Cristina Roman and she can be found at
http://www.divewithcristina.com  In all the years I've dived with her
I've never given her a shameless plug before...

I'm on my way back in 4 more days!!!

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Reef Fish - 25 Jan 2006 21:42 GMT
> >How did you get that toadfish out into the open?

By various ways of molestation.

No respectable splendid toadfish would come out of its hole for any
scuba diver or photog.

> Last year when I was there my divemaster friend "tickled" a Splendid
> Toadfish, first on the top of his head (all that was showing) and then
> progressively along his body as he came out of the hole.  She said he
> quivers when she strokes him.  (The Toadfish might have been a "she".)

Other DMs would use more macho ways of persuasion:  from poking
the behind of the toadfish with a stick or rod to what I've seen a DM
did with his 12-inch long dive knife, which I can't think of any
Cozumel
UW application other than for poking at critters in their natural
habitat.

> That divemaster is Cristina Roman and she can be found at
> http://www.divewithcristina.com  In all the years I've dived with her
> I've never given her a shameless plug before...

Don't know her since she is relatively new in the Cozumel dive scene.
But her boat Nena looks like it may have been the renovated version
of the Discover shop's Vikingo.   When I dived with that shop in the
late 1980s, it would take the boat about 2 hours to get from the Pro
Dive Pier to the southern reefs such as Palancar Deep or Columbia.
A two-tank dive in those days took an entire day, from about 8 am to
4 or 5 pm.

How's the speed of the Nena boat?   Has the engine/motor of the boat
been renovated too?

-- Bob.
Al Rudderham - 26 Jan 2006 05:57 GMT
>Don't know her since she is relatively new in the Cozumel dive scene.

She's been there for ages.  Her website says 1987.  But until recently
she just freelanced, and rented other boats.

>But her boat Nena looks like it may have been the renovated version
>of the Discover shop's Vikingo.   When I dived with that shop in the
>late 1980s, it would take the boat about 2 hours to get from the Pro
>Dive Pier to the southern reefs such as Palancar Deep or Columbia.
>A two-tank dive in those days took an entire day, from about 8 am to
>4 or 5 pm.

The Nena was called the Nena before she bought it.  In fact I dived on
it a couple times in years prior to her buying it.  It's an old
sailboat with the mast removed.  Has a fair sized keel, and probably
draws a couple feet more water than most.

They run out of Caleta and pick up at more southern piers (if any
remain).  Typically we leave about 8:45 and get back about 3:00.  Two
good long dives and a long surface interval in between.

I used to dive on Papa Hog's six-pack boats, but they were murder on
the back and the whole thing felt like a race.  I like the slower pace
and long surface intervals a lot more.

>How's the speed of the Nena boat?   Has the engine/motor of the boat
>been renovated too?

I've seen (and even been on) slower boats down there, that's for sure.
It's probably close in typical cruising speed to the Careyitos boat. I
think the engine was done shortly before she bought it.  Seems to run
fine.  

It made it through Wilma without any damage, which was a miracle.  I
saw a photo of boats stacked up on the opposite side of Caleta.

2 more days...

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Elliott Goldstein - 24 Jan 2006 18:57 GMT
that is embarrassing and i had hoped no one would ask. i dove the day
after the harbor had shut down because of high winds and went out with
just a divemaster and me . no one else wanted to go out in the afternoon
(fantastic for someone with a camera) the dm found a toad fish and i
took a couple of pics. before i knew what was happening, he uncoupled
his inflater hose and eased the toadfish out of his hole-gently. i took
a couple of pics and then he (the fish) scooted back in. i felt bad but
i wouldn't pass up the opportunity. the toadfish seemed ok.
elliott

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chilly - 26 Jan 2006 08:19 GMT
> i finally got my pictures up on my web site from my trip to cozumel a
> couple of weeks ago. here is the address:
> http://www.public.asu.edu/~elliotg/
> enjoy
> elliott

Cool shot of the octopus!!
Elliott Goldstein - 26 Jan 2006 20:14 GMT
i have never seen an octopus out like that in the day time. the best
part was when a grouper came up and 'interacted' with him. finally the
octopus chased the grouper away. i wish i had a video camera for that.
elliott

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chilly - 27 Jan 2006 02:18 GMT
> i have never seen an octopus out like that in the day time.

Neither have I. Actually, I don't think I've even seen one in the pose at
night.

>the best
> part was when a grouper came up and 'interacted' with him. finally the
> octopus chased the grouper away. i wish i had a video camera for that.
> elliott

:^)

> >>i finally got my pictures up on my web site from my trip to cozumel a
> >>couple of weeks ago. here is the address:
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> >Cool shot of the octopus!!
Al Rudderham - 27 Jan 2006 04:51 GMT
>> i have never seen an octopus out like that in the day time.
>
>Neither have I. Actually, I don't think I've even seen one in the pose at
>night.

When I was in Cozumel last winter, on my first dive, just after we
dropped in, we came across a decent sized octopus out and about on the
reef.  It was out in the open, apparently hunting, changing shape and
color as it went.  

Unfortunately it was my first dive with the new camera and I didn't
realize the flash was disabled until later in the dive.  So all of the
shots were pretty much monochrome.

Maybe he'll be waiting for me on Sunday!  I'll have the flash on this
time...

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chilly - 27 Jan 2006 07:15 GMT
> >Neither have I. Actually, I don't think I've even seen one in the pose at
> >night.
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> reef.  It was out in the open, apparently hunting, changing shape and
> color as it went.

This activity was in the day?

(snip)

A couple of weeks back on a night dive in Roatan, I found a small octo.  He
performed all of the requisite tricks, a number of times. My buddy got pics
of most of them.

There was a young gal with us on her first night dive towards her AOW cert.
She was quite excited about the whole scene, of course.  Back at the shop,
when I was telling the story of how I'd found that same little octo 4
different times, she advised us that she'd seen two different octopus.  She
told us that one had been brownish and one was fluorescent blue/green.  None
of us said anything to her, we just smiled gently and then winked at each
other over her head.
Al Rudderham - 27 Jan 2006 14:04 GMT
>> When I was in Cozumel last winter, on my first dive, just after we
>> dropped in, we came across a decent sized octopus out and about on the
>> reef.  It was out in the open, apparently hunting, changing shape and
>> color as it went.
>
>This activity was in the day?

Yep.  First dive of the day, mid-morning.  Very unusual.

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Elliott Goldstein - 27 Jan 2006 18:50 GMT
all the pictures that i took were without any flash. i have never used
one. i run all the pics through auto correct on photoshop for color and
brightness.
if you still have the originals, try it.
elliott

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Dan Bracuk - 27 Jan 2006 22:47 GMT
Elliott Goldstein <e.goldstein@asu.edu> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:all the pictures that i took were without any flash. i have never used
:one. i run all the pics through auto correct on photoshop for color and
:brightness.
:if you still have the originals, try it.
:elliott

Not even the camera's built in flash?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Elliott Goldstein - 28 Jan 2006 20:16 GMT
i tried one pic with the built in flash and diffuser and it was bad so
the flash is turned off.
elliott

>Elliott Goldstein <e.goldstein@asu.edu> pounded away at his keyboard
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