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Greg, what did you think of BIBR?

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Whistler - 04 Jan 2006 03:25 GMT
chilly and I have a side bet...
Greg Mossman - 04 Jan 2006 21:04 GMT
> Greg, what did you think of BIBR?

I actually liked the place, for the most part, though found Roatan diving
disappointing.  I had been working on a trip report but only got two
paragraphs into it before your post.  Might as well get it all off my chest:

(Food)

Breakfasts and lunches were usually very edible, though service was a bit
quirky.  I couldn't figure out how the waiter could mess up an order like
"two eggs over easy with toast", especially after he wrote everything down.
From the website, it sounds like they offer a dinner menu, but it was really
just a single nightly special of varying quality.  The fish in banana leaves
was tasty and the roasted tenderloin certainly more tender than the chewy
non-Argentinean beef served at the Argentinean Grill in West End.  Our group
had a couple birthdays during the week and the cooks whipped out cakes on
really short notice.

(Diving)

The dive operation ran smoothly enough, though our DM (Gustavo) swam a bit
too fast for my taste.  Our boat was slow, but we only had a really long
ride once when we went around the point to Herbie's Place, and snorkeling
with a whale shark on the way back made it worth every minute.  Dive times
of 50 or so minutes on most dives may seem restrictive to some, but adequate
for my air consumption rate (though I proudly lasted 63 minutes on the last
dive when they let us stay a bit longer).  The nitrox was a bit pricey at
$150 for the "unlimited" package, since "unlimited" really meant 16 boat
dives, though the dive shop made getting nitrox tanks analyzed and loaded on
the boat much easier than other places I've been and the two Inspiration
divers in our group got their O2 and diluent (air) bottles filled without
any glitches.  Spooky Channel was definitely oversold as it was a long swim
against current in one direction to see nothing more than a pretty rock
formation and almost no marine life.  We did it twice and that was once too
much.  Overall, I found the diving in Roatan disappointing.  The terrain was
very interesting with loads of crevices and channels and swim throughs, and
it was covered with enough corals and sponges to make it pretty, but I was
expecting a lot more fish 'n "stuff".  -- Dive Report appended below --

(Accommodations, etc.)

They put us up in a "deluxe ocean view" room, which, while not luxurious by
any means, was spacious enough and amazingly bug-free except for one little
roach on the bathroom counter.  When one of the shower knobs wouldn't turn
off because it was threaded, I told Ted and he had it replaced by the time
we were done with our morning dives.  The bed wasn't comfortable, but that's
par for mid-to-low-priced Latin American accommodations.  Bar drinks were
good enough and well priced, though they did close early.  One problem we
had was with Gilberto, one of the bartender/waiters, who was running a
little scam on his employers and the guests, pocketing cash for drinks that
would later appear on the guests' bar tabs.  Not wanting to complain
mid-trip and then meet up with the guy in town and get waylaid, I saved my
complaint for the end and just now received a follow-up call from Pam (Cam?
i.e. Ted's wife, whatever her name is) who took down all the details,
assured me that Gilberto will no longer be working there, and offered me a
refund for some of the overcharges, so it seems that the owners are
definitely responsive to guests' concerns.

What I liked most about the place was the relative seclusion.  Only 20-30 or
so guests at a time, accomodations spread out on the grounds, lots of
hammocks and chairs for contemplating the sunsets, hardly any boat or foot
traffic, I really felt like I "got away" from it all.  I definitely
appreciated the relative solitude each time our boat passed through the
massive (by comparison) Anthony's resort.  That said, I did have the
companionship of Janna and a large dive shop group, many of whom I've dove
with plenty of times before and consider friends.  Had I traveled alone, or
just with Janna, the place might have seemed too secluded.

(Overall)

Had the diving been better, I might even consider returning some day.
Anthony's seemed too big, I heard from another guest who just came from
Fantasy Island that the place was really dirty, and CocoView is, well,
CocoView.  It ain't luxury, but it's plenty good enough for the price.
However, I've experienced better diving in Cozumel, Bonaire, and even Grand
Cayman (north wall), and would repeat those spots and also give Little
Cayman, Saba, Turks & Caicos, Tobago, and possibly a few other places a try
before ever heading back to buggy Roatan.  And it was buggy, even though it
was probably the least buggy season there.  After generously spraying my
legs with Off twice a day, I still managed to collect a decent number of
bites of all sorts that are still keeping me scratching.  Also, many in our
group complained of intestinal problems, and a cold virus seemed to be
making the rounds as well, which kept me out of the water for two scheduled
dives - I don't know whether that has anything to do with BIBR in particular
or malarial Roatan in general, but I sure am glad to be back in the healthy
Californian desert so I can fully recuperate before my next adventure.

In March, I'm on the Nekton Pilot's southern Belize itinerary, to give
Belize one more chance after my disappointing Ambergris Caye dives a couple
years ago.  Nekton is now sending the Rorqual to the Caymans for part of the
year.  For those that don't mind the confines of a boat and could care less
about top-side activities and nightlife, I believe a liveaboard is far
preferable to a dive resort like BIBR, one of several reasons why I'm not
headed on my dive shop's April trip to LCBR instead.

> chilly and I have a side bet...

So who won?

-- THE DIVES --

Except for the shark dive, all dives were done from BIBR's boat, the Miss
Katie, following DM Gustavo, using 32-33% nitrox in single aluminum 80s.
Water was 79-80 degrees F, weather was sunny and breezy with scattered
clouds, and water conditions were almost flat most days with little to no
current, except for light swells when we dove around the point at Herbie's
Place.  Visibility was 50-80'.

12/27/05

Dive 1:  Bear's Den. 67' for 49 minutes.  This was our "check-out" dive on
the reef just out in front of the resort.  Roatan has some great-shaped
walls, gently sloping from depths almost breaking the surface down to 30-50'
or so, where the wall starts to drop steeply to an (unmeasured) bottom of
150' or so.  This made for nice profiles, going deep as our nitrox mix would
allow at the start of the dives.  I found a cute little baby turtle hidden
in a crevice, pointed it out to Janna, and then we left it alone so that the
rest of the group wouldn't discover and molest it.

Dive 2:  Green Outhouse.  66' for 51 minutes.

The reefs were covered with a nice colorful selection of hard and soft
corals, though they were a bit battered in spots.  BIBR enforced a no-gloves
policy, yet our DM puffed up a puffer on one dive and gave absolutely no
"suggestions" to several clueless divers on our boat about keeping their
fins off the reef or manhandling the marine life that shouldn't be
manhandled.  Fortunately the turtle that one idjit tried to grab for a ride
swiftly got away.  The same guy grabbed the whale shark we saw later in the
trip, which scared it away for the rest of us to enjoy longer and for anyone
else on the island that week to enjoy at all.  It wasn't spotted again as
far as we heard, probably fleeing back to Utila.

The fish were pretty similar across the reefs we dove.  A basic selection of
Caribbean reef fish.  I rarely noted what we saw on any particular dive, but
in general we encountered a fair number of fairy basslets, blue chromis, a
few linear schools of initial phase creole wrasse, lots of parrotfish of
various types (blue, stoplight, princess, and a few midnights), loads of
juvenile wrasses, various snappers, a couple nassau and black groupers,
graysbys, squirrelfish in the cavelets, banded and two-spot butterflies,
porkfish, spanish hogfish, lots of black durgons, a few whitespotted and one
scrawled file fish, juvie trunkfish, various damselfish, and some indigo
hamlets.  Of special note were a little school of atlantic spadefish, a
couple baby spotted drums and one large adult, a couple pompanos, several
giant barracudas, one southern stingray, one spotted eagle ray, and a couple
ocean triggers.  Nothing really rare except the cool toadfish on the night
dive (see below).

Dive 3:  Spooky Channel.  68' for 41 minutes.  This one made me suck my air
down in no time at all as we swam against the current after the boat dropped
us on the reef outside the channel's entrance.  Very boring looking down and
to the sides, but rolling on one's back and doing the dive upside down made
all the difference in the world.  Sunlight filtering down through jagged
interwoven overhangs.  Beautiful.  But only really worth doing once.  A few
in our group did a couple night dives in the channel and reported more
marine life, but the rest of us preferred to drink our nights away instead.
The only fish I remember from this dive was a sand tilefish that the DM dug
out of his burrow so we could all see him dive in again.

12/28/05

Dive 4:  El Aguila wreck.  106' for 46 minutes.  This was a nice dive.  The
wreck is rather large, though broken into three pieces.  We didn't do any
penetration, but a friendly green moray came over to play with us and swam
through my hands.  Finished the dive in the adjacent reef, making for a
nicer profile than most wrecks I've dove.

Dive 5:  Wayne's Place.  63' for 55 minutes.

Dive 6:  Cara a Cara.  51' for 53 minutes.  After lunch, we collected our
gear and boarded the vans for a ride to La Palma on the south coast.  BIBR
had set up our group with a shark dive.  Normally I pass on the "artificial"
dives, but this one didn't sound too horrible and it was my only chance to
see the offshore reef.  They took us a mile out to the end of a finger reef
jutting our perpendicularly from the main barrier reef to a site where the
Carribean reef sharks congregate in expectation of their daily free meals.
The briefing was administered by a French-accented guy who explained that
they've determined that the feedings constitute no more than 10% of the
sharks' daily diet, so they don't feel like they're skewing the ecosystem
too much.  We went down to a sandy patch at 50' and sat with our backs to
the reef wall while watching ten or so medium-large sharks (6-8 feet) circle
around waiting for their meal.  Inside the reef was a big green moray and a
couple nassau groupers nosed around.  Eventually they opened the bucket and
the fish inside was quickly devoured by the vicious killers, and then we
were instructed to swim around with them for a bit.  I liked getting up
close and personal with one of them for a while, making some great eye
contact with the big fish that would otherwise love to tear me to shreds but
for the fact he'd be sacrificing future free meals, but after getting kicked
in the face twice by overexcited divers and then having my regulator almost
pulled out of my mouth by the case of one of the Inspirations passing too
closely, I got bored and headed away from the group to look for little stuff
until the dive was over.

Dive 7:  Mike's Place.  55' for 52 minutes.  This was our scheduled boat
night dive.  Not as much life on this night dive as I've encountered on the
other Caribbean night dives I've done (Cozumel, Grand Cayman, Bonaire,
Cuba).  No one found an octopus.  A few spiny lobsters (Caribbean and
spotted), a clinging channel (aka "king") crab, a banded coral shrimp and a
few Pederson's and lots of red shrimp that looked like good eating.  The
exciting note was when Janna spotted a camouflaged creature that I at first
took to be a big scorpionfish, but it had the eyes on top of its head and
was more elongated than a regular fish.  It turned out to be a large eye
toadfish, something that's "uncommon Caribbean coast of Central America"
according to Humann & DeLoach, so we kept its whereaboats secret from the
rest of the group so it too could remain unmolested.  That was one of the
only two moments on this trip when I missed having my camera.

12/29/05

I finally succumbed to whatever bug I had been fighting off since we
disembarked from the third leg of our TACA adventure.  It didn't help that
Janna and I and my buddy Brian had gone to town that night to eat at the
Argentinean Grill.  Brian had already been wending his way through Nicaragua
for a week before meeting us in Roatan and he was hungry for some night
life.  After a decent steak dinner sitting at a table on the beach, who did
I spot inside the restaurant when I went for a pee break but the queen of
rec.scuba nightlife herself, accompanied by her friend from NYC.  We drank
while they dined, then hit the Twisted Toucan for a couple hours.  It was
jam packed with people of all creeds and colors, and the highlight of the
evening was when the well-endowed and well-liquored blond girl seated at the
bar slowly pulled down her top showing her attributes to all for much longer
than the typical "flash".  Very exciting indeed.  Otherwise, we could barely
hear each other talk even when huddled by the half-open wall in order to
catch the cooling breeze.  A few minutes after midnight, the place suddenly
went dark and we all piled out onto the street, the owner of the place being
dragged away by the policia.  Apparently she had let too many customers
leave with bottles of beer, which is a no-no there, and the cops wanted to
teach her a lesson.  Plastic cups full of intoxicating beverages, however,
are completely legal, so we could continue to quench our thirst as
practically as the entire barful paraded its way through the town on the way
to the Black Pearl.  As it was approaching 1 a.m. by the time we got there,
Janna and I caught a cab at the Black Pearl to BIBR, leaving Brian with the
women.  He made it back sometime early the next morning.

(Side bitch:  Most of our luggage was delayed until the evening of our
morning arrival day, a couple in the group got theirs the next day, and one
woman had her clothes bag disappear entirely - on the way back it took four
legs, with an unscheduled stop in La Ceiba to change plans on route to San
Pedro Sula - I hope to never have to fly TACA again).

In the morning my head was completely stuffed up and there was no way I was
making the boat.  I said my goodbye to Janna, took a couple of her Nyquil
capsules, and went back to sleep.  Around 11 a.m., I felt much better, and
made my way over to meet the returning boat.  They got to do the other wreck
site (the Odyssey) and Barry's Reef.

Dive 8:  Pillar Coral.  71' for 51 minutes.  Only five of our group made the
afternoon dive, as most everyone had succumbed by this time to something
intestinal or upper-respiratory.  I don't remember much of this dive, except
that we were supposed to see a big pillar of coral or something.  Instead,
while my headache instantly cleared at depth on the 32%, my ears were still
a bit pluggy notwithstanding the Nyquil's pseudoephedrine and the Afrin I
snorted pre-dive, and I got a nasty case of alternobaric vertigo on the way
back up.  I was taking it very slow and at 30' just felt a bit lightheaded
and dizzy, but then the DM had us go through a swimthrough which abruptly
ended in a vertical plume that took us right up to 10', making that final
bit of ascent quicker than I usually like since we were herded through one
at a time.  I sat at 10' for a while to compensate, but felt like the world
was spinning, then when I couldn't take that any longer, got back on the
boat and vomited for a while.  A half hour later, I felt good as new, but we
passed on going out with the other three divers for a Spooky Channel night
dive.

12/30/05

Dive 9:  Herbie's Place.  123' for 50 minutes.  This was the highlight of
our trip.  Lots of schooling creole wrasses, the aforementioned spadefish
and barracuda, lots of lobsters and a couple "king" crabs, and some of the
healthiest coral we saw that week, it was easily worth driving almost an
hour out to the end of the island.  D9 didn't seem to mind that I hit 1.6
for a minute or so, other than beeping a couple times and flashing.  We did
a surface interval at a beach populated by cruisers, then, headed back to
the next site, stopped where a few other boats were circled around a swarm
of feeding tunas.  Someone had spotted a whale shark.  Our DM climbed atop
the boat to look, and at one pointed we all jumped in at his command, but to
no avail.  Eventually we gave up and headed back.

Dive 10:  Turtle Crossing.  72' for 54 minutes.  Only one turtle seen at the
"crossing".  After my last dive trip in Kauai, where I could sit next to 5
or 6 at a time, big ho hum.  But we had a surprise in store for us:

Back on the boat and on the way back to the resort, we again spotted a swarm
of tunas.  The DM gave us the option of heading back for lunch and the third
dive, or wasting time searching for a whale shark.  We opted to waste time,
or at least that's what I thought we were doing as we kept searching from
one tuna swarm to another.  Finally, after an hour and a half of this,
Gustavo spotted one and we got in the water with our snorkels (except that I
didn't have one) and swam where he was pointing.  I got there first and thar
she was:  an adolescent, about 20-25 feet.  She was heading to the surface
right toward me, then veered toward the rest of our group.  On her second
pass, she got really close - I was almost within touching distance, maybe 5
feet away - but when she got near the others, three swam real close by its
tail and one grabbed the back of its dorsal fin.  With a great swish of its
tail (that I secretly hoped would knock the offending grabber senseless, but
instead merely grazed his leg), it took off away and down and not to be
spotted again.  Certainly not to be spotted by the other boat our group was
occupying, which went out after lunch searching for two hours.

Dive 11:  Spooky Channel.  91' for 42 minutes.  Since we missed our
afternoon boat dive with our whale shark encounter, the DM offered to drop
us off at the lagoon entrance to the channel to save us a surface swim.
Four of us took him up on the offer and we headed as far as the ocean
entrance against the current, then followed the line back all the way to
about 5 feet of water back in the turtlegrass flats right off the beach.  An
orange hogfish followed us in the shallows.  Again, some pretty rock, but
that's about it.

12/31/05 - New Year's Eve

Dive 12:  Fish Den.  107' for 46 minutes.

Dive 13.  Bear's Den.  57' for 63 minutes.  I felt like being alone on this
dive and eventually Janna decided to blow off the group and join me.  We
lagged so far behind that when we got to the fork about 30 feet inside the
"cave", I chose to back out rather than picking the wrong way.  By this
time, I had had enough with the none-too-exciting Roatan reef diving, and
opted to join Janna in skipping the afternoon dive, a decision emulated by
all but four hardcore souls.  Thirteen is my lucky number, and also happens
to be 31 reversed, so that seemed a fine way to end the diving portion of
the trip and get on with the partying.

We had our dinner and lots of drinks and champagne at BIBR, then five of us
joined a family from Arizona that had just arrived that morning for a ride
in a BIBR van down to West End.  As soon as we made a left at the
crossroads, who did I spot walking along the road but chilly and her friend.
The driver let us out and we accompanied them to Sundowners for part one of
our New Year's celebration.  A few beers and rum & pineapples later, and
meeting a friendly Brit DM who was soon headed back to Dressel Divers in
Cozumel (at the Iberostar, which I'd like try someday), it was getting close
to countdown time.  We mosied on over down to the Black Pearl, where I
caught up with chilly and Janna just in time to skip the ever-growing line,
and made it upstairs just in time to buy a few drinks and start the
countdown.  There was a great band playing and we danced and drank away
until calling it a night at 3 a.m.  At BIBR, some neighbor was still having
a very loud party, so we snuck up the hillside a ways to see if we could
crash it.  Fearing getting shot or worse, we finally gave up and went to
bed.   The next day was restful as most of the group went off for the
afternoon to do the dolphin snorkel at Anthony's Key, then we flew home the
next morning.

Now I have to find where I hid my videocamera so I can be sure to bring it
to Belize.  I was actually relieved I didn't find it in time to bring it to
Roatan since it would have taken up a luggage allotment that we didn't have.
Janna now acknowledges that she packs too many clothes for a dive trip, so I
shouldn't have trouble getting it on the plane to Belize so long as it turns
up somewhere.  We're flying good 'ole Continental then, so I get 70 lbs per
bag and shouldn't have a problem even if we decide to check-in an extra bag,
besides paying an exhorbitant $100 fee.  If anyone else from the NG is down
there, we'll be at the Princess Hotel in Belize City from noon 'til 6 on
3/18/06, and all day on 3/25/06, residing on the Pilot the week in between.
Dan Bracuk - 04 Jan 2006 23:52 GMT
"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:  Nekton is now sending the Rorqual to the Caymans for part of the
:year.  

One of our dive guides at LCBR was telling us that Nekton is having
difficulty getting permission to dive in the Little Cayman Marine
Park.  There is apparently a maximum passenger rule (20) and Nekton
carries up to 32.

I don't know if what the dive guide said was accurate or not.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Reef Fish - 05 Jan 2006 15:29 GMT
> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
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>
> I don't know if what the dive guide said was accurate or not.

At least partly accurate.  The Cayman Islands are very picky about
licensing boats not owned and operated by Caymanians.  Else Peter
Hughes would have had a liveabord boat there long ago.  

-- Bob.
Whistler - 05 Jan 2006 03:23 GMT
>>Greg, what did you think of BIBR?
>
> I actually liked the place, for the most part, though found Roatan diving
> disappointing.  I had been working on a trip report but only got two
> paragraphs into it before your post.  Might as well get it all off my chest:

Your review is about what I expected.  I agree with your assessment for
the most part (although I liked Spooky Channel more than you did).  I'm
glad to have gone there, but I think I'm ready to move on to another
island.  I love the coral and the smaller, more sessile stuff there, but
the big fish and big schools of fish are missing.

> (Food)
>
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> against current in one direction to see nothing more than a pretty rock
> formation and almost no marine life.

Should have been with the current.  Did you do it from the reef inward?
Should have been from the beach outward with a boat pickup beyond the reef.

> We did it twice and that was once too
> much.  Overall, I found the diving in Roatan disappointing.  The terrain was
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> mid-trip and then meet up with the guy in town and get waylaid, I saved my
> complaint for the end and just now received a follow-up call from Pam (Cam?

Cam is Ted's wife, but I think their daughter's name is Pat.

> i.e. Ted's wife, whatever her name is) who took down all the details,
> assured me that Gilberto will no longer be working there, and offered me a
> refund for some of the overcharges, so it seems that the owners are
> definitely responsive to guests' concerns.

Yes, I liked them.  I don't think they'll last much longer, though.
They had turned it over to their daughter and son-in-law to run, but she
had spine problems from being a gymnast and had to retreat to the
states.  I definitely got the sense that Cam and Ted didn't want to be
running the place themselves anymore.

> What I liked most about the place was the relative seclusion.  Only 20-30 or
> so guests at a time, accomodations spread out on the grounds, lots of
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> with plenty of times before and consider friends.  Had I traveled alone, or
> just with Janna, the place might have seemed too secluded.

There weren't many other guests when I was there.  Had it been a full
complement, I think it would have been more interesting.  Nice having a
max of 6 divers, though, with the norm being 3.

> (Overall)
>
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>
> So who won?

We were both afraid you'd hate it, but I think in the end I expected
you'd be lukewarm on the place, so your review doesn't surprise me much.

> -- THE DIVES --
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> in a crevice, pointed it out to Janna, and then we left it alone so that the
> rest of the group wouldn't discover and molest it.

I saw a baby turtle on the snorkel trail off the beach my last day
there.  I think it's a good place for them.

> Dive 2:  Green Outhouse.  66' for 51 minutes.
>
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> else on the island that week to enjoy at all.  It wasn't spotted again as
> far as we heard, probably fleeing back to Utila.

Makes you wanna carry a gun, don't it?  I'm wondering if you had the
same idjit I did.

> The fish were pretty similar across the reefs we dove.  A basic selection of
> Caribbean reef fish.  I rarely noted what we saw on any particular dive, but
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> ocean triggers.  Nothing really rare except the cool toadfish on the night
> dive (see below).

There were no durgons on the south side and I missed them.  But we saw a
harlequin pipefish, a black seahorse and some squid to make up for it.

> Dive 3:  Spooky Channel.  68' for 41 minutes.  This one made me suck my air
> down in no time at all as we swam against the current after the boat dropped
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> through my hands.  Finished the dive in the adjacent reef, making for a
> nicer profile than most wrecks I've dove.

I think that was my first dive there, but I was having trouble adjusting
to the warm water, so I don't remember much.  I don't remember much life
on it, but I agree the reef exit is nice.

> Dive 5:  Wayne's Place.  63' for 55 minutes.
>
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> closely, I got bored and headed away from the group to look for little stuff
> until the dive was over.

Yeah, sounds about what I expected.  Glad I passed on it.

> Dive 7:  Mike's Place.  55' for 52 minutes.  This was our scheduled boat
> night dive.  Not as much life on this night dive as I've encountered on the
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> rest of the group so it too could remain unmolested.  That was one of the
> only two moments on this trip when I missed having my camera.

I saw two or three toadfish on the other side of the island (Cocoview),
all at Calvin's Crack.

> 12/29/05
>
> I finally succumbed to whatever bug I had been fighting off since we
> disembarked from the third leg of our TACA adventure.

There was a similar bug going around last year.  I didn't get hit until
I got back home, but it makes me wonder about the well water at BIBR.

> (Side bitch:  Most of our luggage was delayed until the evening of our
> morning arrival day, a couple in the group got theirs the next day, and one
> woman had her clothes bag disappear entirely - on the way back it took four
> legs, with an unscheduled stop in La Ceiba to change plans on route to San
> Pedro Sula - I hope to never have to fly TACA again).

Take A Chance Airline is what I heard it called.  Your story is familiar.

> 12/30/05
>
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> healthiest coral we saw that week, it was easily worth driving almost an
> hour out to the end of the island.

There is a similar dive called Pablo's place at the other end of the
island that I did just before leaving and I also enjoyed it very much.

> Dive 10:  Turtle Crossing.  72' for 54 minutes.  Only one turtle seen at the
> "crossing".  After my last dive trip in Kauai, where I could sit next to 5
> or 6 at a time, big ho hum.  But we had a surprise in store for us:

I saw 5 or 6 when I did that site.  The people I was diving with had
seen 9 or 10 the week before.  Of course, they chased them all...

> Dive 11:  Spooky Channel.  91' for 42 minutes.  Since we missed our
> afternoon boat dive with our whale shark encounter, the DM offered to drop
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> orange hogfish followed us in the shallows.  Again, some pretty rock, but
> that's about it.

There were several very large moray eels out there when I dove it and a
3' remora cruising the channel.  But I agree, it's not about the life so
much as the scenery, which I found very worth it.  But when I did it,
the current was flowing from shore to the reef, except right at the exit
where you had to swim hard, and the boat picked us up outside the reef.

> We had our dinner and lots of drinks and champagne at BIBR, then five of us
> joined a family from Arizona that had just arrived that morning for a ride
> in a BIBR van down to West End.  As soon as we made a left at the
> crossroads, who did I spot walking along the road but chilly and her friend.

Well, you did better than I.  Somehow I just couldn't get into full
party swing when I was there.  Glad to hear you kept up with chilly.
Greg Mossman - 05 Jan 2006 07:03 GMT
> Should have been with the current.  Did you do it from the reef inward?

Yep.

> Should have been from the beach outward with a boat pickup beyond the
> reef.

Shoulda, woulda.  DM got surprised that I kicked myself down to 500 psi by
the time we reached the shallows on the other side of the channel, showing
me that he had over 1,500 left.  Good for him.

> Cam is Ted's wife, but I think their daughter's name is Pat.

I'm not very good with names and suffer the double indignity of
hyperbarically-induced hearing loss.  But I wasn't the only one who thought
she was Pam and it never crossed my mind that she might be Cam until I heard
her on my answering machine this morning.

> Yes, I liked them.  I don't think they'll last much longer, though. They
> had turned it over to their daughter and son-in-law to run, but she had
> spine problems from being a gymnast and had to retreat to the states.  I
> definitely got the sense that Cam and Ted didn't want to be running the
> place themselves anymore.

They seemed content enough while they were around, but they weren't always
around.  Daughter and son-in-law(?) were there too, if that's the same
daughter.  Didn't look like a gymnast to me.  Right height, wrong physique.
But then I used to weigh a bit less in my youth too.  Nice girl in any case.
She set up a private little dinner for two outside on our last night which
was nice and romantic until I got scammed on the bottle of wine.

> There weren't many other guests when I was there.  Had it been a full
> complement, I think it would have been more interesting.  Nice having a
> max of 6 divers, though, with the norm being 3.

>>>chilly and I have a side bet...
>>
>> So who won?
>
> We were both afraid you'd hate it, but I think in the end I expected you'd
> be lukewarm on the place, so your review doesn't surprise me much.

I feel like I got what I paid for.  All-inclusives aren't usually my cup of
tea, but they do the trick when I'm too lazy to leave the place for a meal,
and are best when they're on the cheaper end so one doesn't feel too
wasteful by blowing off an included meal in favor of eating in a restaurant
in town.  Or maybe I've just never tried a higher-end all-inclusive.  I
didn't get the idea that I would have liked my Roatan experience too much
better by staying at Anthony's or in West End, so I can't really fault BIBR.
And I'm glad that I tried a cheaper land stay before investing more money on
a Bay Islands Aggressor trip which IMO would offer the same just-OK diving,
but with no chance of serious nightlife or topside touring.

> I saw a baby turtle on the snorkel trail off the beach my last day there.
> I think it's a good place for them.

With all the scrawny dogs around the place, I can't imagine how the turtles
would keep their eggs from being eaten.  Perhaps they actively protect them
when the time comes.

> Makes you wanna carry a gun, don't it?  I'm wondering if you had the same
> idjit I did.

One of my favorite DMs was Jan of NECO Marine in Palau.  A dive shop owner
on our fam trip there, who hence should have known better, twice tried
riding a turtle.  The first time, Jan and the rest of the us shook our heads
in dismay.  The second time, she went over and smacked his hand.  He looked
up a bit confused, but I think he got the point.

Hawaii is the only place where the DMs have taken pains to advise divers of
the serious repercussions (to the turtles) of riding turtles and the state
itself imposes serious repercussions against divers who merely touch them.
Too bad third-world countries can't have the same respect for our oceans'
inhabitants, but it becomes a joke when they tag turtles and puff puffers
and then turn around and ask for contributions to enforce marine park
restrictions.  One more reason why I prefer liveaboards is that the crew and
fellow divers usually seem a bit more consciencious than the average resort
diver and staff, but then I haven't done a Caribbean liveaboard yet.  We'll
see what happens in March.

> There were no durgons on the south side and I missed them.  But we saw a
> harlequin pipefish, a black seahorse and some squid to make up for it.

No pipefish, but I did see an arrow blenny.  No seahorses either, even on
the site where the DM said they often spot seahorses.  What else is a DM
good for other than spotting seahorses?  I did see a baby squid on the night
dive and, right after that, a half-transparent post-larval surgeonfish, but
overall it was still an underwhelming night dive.

> I saw two or three toadfish on the other side of the island (Cocoview),
> all at Calvin's Crack.

Was the diving from Cocoview any better than the north?

> There was a similar bug going around last year.  I didn't get hit until I
> got back home, but it makes me wonder about the well water at BIBR.

It's hard not to wonder, but they don't leave you much choice.  One day I
really felt like ice-cold bottled water, but the daughter (Pat?) talked me
out of it.  Weird.  I didn't get the intestinal bug too bad, but I never
usually do.  I believe in harrassment training of the stomach.  Too bad my
upper respiratory system isn't as immune, 'cause it seems like I've come
down with something to congest me awful on my past five or six dive trips.
At least I didn't wind up with life-threatening pneumonia like what's her
name.

> Take A Chance Airline is what I heard it called.  Your story is familiar.

Yup.  They now offer a guarantee:  if they luggage doesn't arrive on your
flight, you get a $50 TACA certificate per delayed bag.  I would have gotten
the certificates to use as backup TP, but the airport restrooms in Honduras
and Salvador were surprisingly clean and well-stocked.  Much better than the
third-world bathrooms at LAX, for example.  Perhaps I should have asked for
the certificates and then auctioned them on eBay.

> There is a similar dive called Pablo's place at the other end of the
> island that I did just before leaving and I also enjoyed it very much.

If all the dives were like that, I'd have had a much different opinion of
the place and probably would have kept it on my list of localities to repeat
someday.

> Well, you did better than I.  Somehow I just couldn't get into full party
> swing when I was there.  Glad to hear you kept up with chilly.

The first night I really just wanted a nice early dinner in town, but my
buddy talked me into waiting until 7:30 to leave BIBR.  Once we saw chilly
we had to hang out a bit and the night seemed to go on and on and on.  The
other night it was New Year's and the band really was good.  It was hard to
tear ourselves away even at 3 a.m., but I can't claim to have kept up with
chilly.  When we finally left, she was still going strong and probably kept
going for another couple hours at least.  I have no idea when that girl
sleeps, if ever.
Lee Bell - 05 Jan 2006 13:27 GMT
> Shoulda, woulda.  DM got surprised that I kicked myself down to 500 psi by
> the time we reached the shallows on the other side of the channel, showing
> me that he had over 1,500 left.  Good for him.

It's easy to hate skinny, fit people who dive every day, particularly when
they show off.

Lee
Reef Fish - 05 Jan 2006 15:56 GMT
> > Shoulda, woulda.  DM got surprised that I kicked myself down to 500 psi by
> > the time we reached the shallows on the other side of the channel, showing
> > me that he had over 1,500 left.  Good for him.

Not having seen Greg talking about guns and politics in the other
group,
I was beginning to wonder if someone had kidnapped him after his
drinking bouts.

Glad to see a rare post by Greg about DIVING, and making it back
after the New Year parties.   :-)

I spent many Christmas/New Year seasons diving, including diving
the Maracaibo in Cozumel on Christmas Day (1987) when it was
hard to find ANY dive shop working;  and Palau (1997) when I
spent the new year's eve when I started the flight back, and
because of the international date line and the fact that was flying
East, it was New Years Eve at Guam, Honolulu, Los Angeles, and
was STILL New Years Eve when I got back to Atlanta!

> It's easy to hate skinny, fit people who dive every day, particularly when
> they show off.

But divers don't have to be skinny, fit people who dive every day, or a
DM
to have good air consumption rate.  I am none of those, and getting
back
to the boat with 1,500 psi after 45-60 minutes is not uncommon.

I think Greg is basically out of shape and likes to just float like a
cork
all the times when he dives.  :-)   If the Spare Air is still
fashionable
to hold liquor for drinking at depth, Greg would probably be
carrying those on every dive.  <G>

Greg>  The dive operation ran smoothly enough, though our DM
Greg>  (Gustavo) swam a bit too fast for my taste.

Greg complained bitterly about the DM Pierre on the Tahitian
Aggressor about not able to keep up with Pierre, because at times
Pierre had no dive plans -- kick against 4-5 knot currents or kick to
wherever he thought the shark action was, including an 18 foot
Tiger Shark.    I, and two or three other divers, had no trouble
keeping up with Pierre, though it was a challenge at times.

Hope 2006 is a good diving year for everyone!   My first dive
will not be until the end of February near the Mardi Gras
(Carnivale) week in Cozumel.  It's too cold for me to want to
dive in Sydney or the other southern locations in Australia.

-- Bob.
Lee Bell - 05 Jan 2006 17:06 GMT
>> It's easy to hate skinny, fit people who dive every day, particularly
>> when
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> to have good air consumption rate.  I am none of those, and getting back
> to the boat with 1,500 psi after 45-60 minutes is not uncommon.

Taken out of context to address an unrelated point.  Also showing a distinct
lack of a sense of humor.

> I think Greg is basically out of shape and likes to just float like a cork
> all the times when he dives.  :-)   If the Spare Air is still
> fashionable to hold liquor for drinking at depth, Greg would probably be
> carrying those on every dive.  <G>

Hence the reference to skinny fit people who dive every day.
Having been diving with Greg, I can assure you that he does not float like a
cork when he dives, is not overly concerned with fashion and does not, or at
least did not, carry a Spare Air.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 05 Jan 2006 16:28 GMT
>> Shoulda, woulda.  DM got surprised that I kicked myself down to 500 psi
>> by the time we reached the shallows on the other side of the channel,
>> showing me that he had over 1,500 left.  Good for him.
>
> It's easy to hate skinny, fit people who dive every day, particularly when
> they show off.

If I had to live on Honduran food, I'd be skinny too.  I lost one pound
while I was there.  At that rate . . .
Lee Bell - 05 Jan 2006 17:08 GMT
>>> Shoulda, woulda.  DM got surprised that I kicked myself down to 500 psi
>>> by the time we reached the shallows on the other side of the channel,
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> If I had to live on Honduran food, I'd be skinny too.  I lost one pound
> while I was there.  At that rate . . .

Hmmm, I think it's time for me to take an extended vacation.

Everyone told me that the Atkins diet would let me lose weight but that I'd
gain it right back.  I had my doubts on both counts.  I lost the weight and
then put most of it right back on.  Damn.

Lee
chilly - 09 Jan 2006 23:53 GMT
> Was the diving from Cocoview any better than the north?

It might have been a bit more fishie, but I only had two dives there.  I did
Calvin's Crack and the wall back to the resort.  I know it was only a small
sampling but I liked the diving on the other side better.  Nonetheless, I
could easily see the appeal that Cocoview holds for many.

> > There was a similar bug going around last year.  I didn't get hit until I
> > got back home, but it makes me wonder about the well water at BIBR.
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> At least I didn't wind up with life-threatening pneumonia like what's her
> name.

At least I didn't this time either.  No thanks to you and your germs.  As I
sit here coughing up a lung, ribs wracked in pain . . .oh yeah, I think I'll
just go take some of that yummy codiene, my buzz is wearing off.

> > There is a similar dive called Pablo's place at the other end of the
> > island that I did just before leaving and I also enjoyed it very much.
>
> If all the dives were like that, I'd have had a much different opinion of
> the place and probably would have kept it on my list of localities to repeat
> someday.

I did many dives like Pablo's Place, but then at West End, I'm closer to
those sites than are you up at BIBR.  By the same token, we didn't make it
up to the Bear's Den this trip, due to the way the seas were running on the
days it was planned.  If only some of those shops would get a boat like Pura
Vida's, there wouldn't be too many sites they couldn't get to on the more
rough days.

> > Well, you did better than I.  Somehow I just couldn't get into full party
> > swing when I was there.  Glad to hear you kept up with chilly.
>
> The first night I really just wanted a nice early dinner in town, but my
> buddy talked me into waiting until 7:30 to leave BIBR.  Once we saw chilly
> we had to hang out a bit and the night seemed to go on and on and on.

I thought I said something about this already.  In any event, the night you
guys saw me at Argentinian Grill was the day I'd done 4 dives.  All I was up
for was dinner and then early to bed.  You guys challenged my reputation and
kept me up until all hours.  Not my fault.  It was probably your fault that
Danielle got arrested too.

>The other night it was New Year's and the band really was good.  It was
hard to
> tear ourselves away even at 3 a.m., but I can't claim to have kept up with
> chilly.  When we finally left, she was still going strong and probably kept
> going for another couple hours at least.

Actually, we left shortly after you did.  I'm sure I had a few more hours in
me, but Kalina wanted to go and I couldn't let her walk home herself.  That
was all well and good but once I ensured her safety, I still had a long
stagger back to my place.  Fortunately, a cab came along with some guy that
was going to Fantasy Island.  I piled in the front seat and when we got to
my hotel, I started yelling "aqui, aqui" and as soon as the cab stopped, I
jumped out without so much as a "gracias" to either the driver or the good
samaratan.  Los siento.

> I have no idea when that girl
> sleeps, if ever.

I slept for a few hours that morning.  Heck, I sleep for a few hours here
and there most every night.  It's trying to get more than 4 in a row that I
yearn for.  Ah, heck, I can sleep when I'm dead, right?
Greg Mossman - 10 Jan 2006 02:23 GMT
>> Was the diving from Cocoview any better than the north?
>
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> sampling but I liked the diving on the other side better.  Nonetheless, I
> could easily see the appeal that Cocoview holds for many.

Which is?

> At least I didn't this time either.  No thanks to you and your germs.  As
> I
> sit here coughing up a lung, ribs wracked in pain . . .oh yeah, I think
> I'll
> just go take some of that yummy codiene, my buzz is wearing off.

Codeine?  For that, I'd have to see a doctor.  For the price of seeing a
doctor, I could go on another dive trip.  In any case, our personal dive
physician, Steven B. Harris, M.D., fixed most all the ailments of our sickly
group.  Cortisone for Brian's burnt head, prednisone for Janna's stuffed-up
ears, all sorts of imodium, and antibiotics, and decongestants, and
antihistamines.  I got by on my OTC stuff as I usually do, washed down with
lots of rum and beer.

> I did many dives like Pablo's Place, but then at West End, I'm closer to
> those sites than are you up at BIBR.  By the same token, we didn't make it
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> Vida's, there wouldn't be too many sites they couldn't get to on the more
> rough days.

I saw a Pura Vida boat, but they just had snorkelers aboard.

> I thought I said something about this already.  In any event, the night
> you
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> that
> Danielle got arrested too.

Not me.  I made sure all my open containers were plastic cups.

> I slept for a few hours that morning.  Heck, I sleep for a few hours here
> and there most every night.  It's trying to get more than 4 in a row that
> I
> yearn for.  Ah, heck, I can sleep when I'm dead, right?

It depends how good you are.  I doubt anyone gets much sleep in Hell.
chilly - 10 Jan 2006 02:45 GMT
> > sampling but I liked the diving on the other side better.  Nonetheless, I
> > could easily see the appeal that Cocoview holds for many.
>
> Which is?

The ease of diving, the setup for dives, gear cleaning and handling and
storage, the boats with their center wells which probably came in quite
handy later in the first week and the end of the third week.

Frankly, Greg, I think you'd really like it.

> > just go take some of that yummy codiene, my buzz is wearing off.
>
> Codeine?  For that, I'd have to see a doctor.

I did see a doctor.  I phoned this morning at 9 am and had an appointment
for 12:45.  My xrays were completed across the hall within a couple of
minutes and I carried the films back to the doc.  He looked at them,
pronounced me pneumonia free but not free of some crud.  He wrote me 3
presciptions.  I had them all filled and was in the office by 2 pm,
whereupon establishing that there were no emergencies, I returned home.

> For the price of seeing a
> doctor, I could go on another dive trip.

Didn't cost me a dime (except for the prescriptions).  I could get some
coverage for prescriptions and keep meaning to look into that.

> In any case, our personal dive
> physician, Steven B. Harris, M.D., fixed most all the ailments of our sickly
> group.  Cortisone for Brian's burnt head, prednisone for Janna's stuffed-up
> ears, all sorts of imodium, and antibiotics, and decongestants, and
> antihistamines.  I got by on my OTC stuff as I usually do, washed down with
> lots of rum and beer.

I had all that stuff in my suitcase.  I provided a few things to friends.  I
kept my cortisone and prednisone to myself.  I used my cortisone on my bug
bites, which were numerous.  I gave out imodium, tylenol, decongestants,
antihistamines, bandaids and green jelly. I've saved my prednisone for
another time.

> > Vida's, there wouldn't be too many sites they couldn't get to on the more
> > rough days.
>
> I saw a Pura Vida boat, but they just had snorkelers aboard.

In that case, it probably wasn't the boat I'm talking about.

> > up
> > for was dinner and then early to bed.  You guys challenged my reputation
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>
> Not me.  I made sure all my open containers were plastic cups.

It was still your fault.  I told you not to buy that Gilberto any drinks.

> > I slept for a few hours that morning.  Heck, I sleep for a few hours here
> > and there most every night.  It's trying to get more than 4 in a row that
> > I
> > yearn for.  Ah, heck, I can sleep when I'm dead, right?
>
> It depends how good you are.  I doubt anyone gets much sleep in Hell.

Oh well, I'm used to not getting any sleep. What's another eternity or two?
chilly - 10 Jan 2006 02:26 GMT
> Your review is about what I expected.  I agree with your assessment for
> the most part (although I liked Spooky Channel more than you did).  I'm
> glad to have gone there, but I think I'm ready to move on to another
> island.  I love the coral and the smaller, more sessile stuff there, but
> the big fish and big schools of fish are missing.

I've about dived myself out on that island still I'm not quite done with it
yet.

> > with plenty of times before and consider friends.  Had I traveled alone, or
> > just with Janna, the place might have seemed too secluded.
>
> There weren't many other guests when I was there.  Had it been a full
> complement, I think it would have been more interesting.  Nice having a
> max of 6 divers, though, with the norm being 3.

I certainly enjoyed their boat over the panga diving I usually do out of
West End.

> >>chilly and I have a side bet...
> >
> > So who won?
>
> We were both afraid you'd hate it, but I think in the end I expected
> you'd be lukewarm on the place, so your review doesn't surprise me much.

I'd say you won.  Though with regard to his room specifically, his spoken
opinion was almost exactly what I'd expected.

(snip)> > We had our dinner and lots of drinks and champagne at BIBR, then
five of us
> > joined a family from Arizona that had just arrived that morning for a ride
> > in a BIBR van down to West End.  As soon as we made a left at the
> > crossroads, who did I spot walking along the road but chilly and her friend.
>
> Well, you did better than I.  Somehow I just couldn't get into full
> party swing when I was there.  Glad to hear you kept up with chilly.

In fairness, you were on the tail end of the cold you had before you left,
the week held some hard conditions and ultimately, you have a lot more good
sense than does chilly.
Whistler - 10 Jan 2006 03:56 GMT
> I've about dived myself out on that island still I'm not quite done with it
> yet.

Say what?  Does that mean there's just more partying to do?

> I certainly enjoyed their boat over the panga diving I usually do out of
> West End.

But Cocoview's were even better.  The BIBR boats always smelled like
diesel fumes to me.

> In fairness, you were on the tail end of the cold you had before you left,
> the week held some hard conditions and ultimately, you have a lot more good
> sense than does chilly.

It was more than the cold, I think.  It was switching locations to a
place with no chairs, loud music and watered down drinks.  Put me in a
quiet spot with lots of people at a table telling good stories without
yelling, some good red wine in my hand, and I'd probably never have left.
chilly - 10 Jan 2006 06:17 GMT
> > I've about dived myself out on that island still I'm not quite done with it
> > yet.
>
> Say what?  Does that mean there's just more partying to do?

Oh heck, I don't know.  I still enjoy the topography, finding the little
things, seeing dolphins, hoping for whale sharks.  I still like walking down
the beachroad to the dive shop in the morning and getting invited into
Marco's for coffee.  I still like greeting all the friends I've made there.
I'll miss them now.  I found a couple of new places to eat and I haven't
fully explored them.  I spent part of New Year's Day hanging in a hammock
down at West Bay.  It was a few perfect moments in time.  The island is
still so damn beautiful.

And of course, there's still partying to do, but I can do that anywhere.

> > I certainly enjoyed their boat over the panga diving I usually do out of
> > West End.
>
> But Cocoview's were even better.  The BIBR boats always smelled like
> diesel fumes to me.

Good point.

> > In fairness, you were on the tail end of the cold you had before you left,
> > the week held some hard conditions and ultimately, you have a lot more good
> > sense than does chilly.
>
> It was more than the cold, I think.  It was switching locations to a
> place with no chairs, loud music and watered down drinks.

I don't know where you were getting watered down drinks.  I wish to heck I
could have got some watered down drinks from time to time.  All that free
pouring causes me nothing but trouble.

> Put me in a
> quiet spot with lots of people at a table telling good stories without
> yelling, some good red wine in my hand, and I'd probably never have left.

Maybe you wouldn't have but didn't you tell me most everyone at Cocoview was
back in their rooms by 8 pm?

As for a quiet spot with lots of people at a table telling good stories
without yelling, some good red wine in my hand, I can enjoy that too, but
it's not that easy to find in West End.  It's the sort of thing that you
almost have to make happen.  For example, it can happen at the Argentinean
Grill.  We didn't make it up to Pinnochio's but I'm sure you'd have quite
liked it up there too.  Maybe you should have dived with Tyll's.  They are
always hanging out at the shop talking diving for hours and hours. I go over
there and sit with them from time to time but the sandfleas usually drive me
away.
Whistler - 10 Jan 2006 06:27 GMT
>>Put me in a
>>quiet spot with lots of people at a table telling good stories without
>>yelling, some good red wine in my hand, and I'd probably never have left.
>
> Maybe you wouldn't have but didn't you tell me most everyone at Cocoview was
> back in their rooms by 8 pm?

I wasn't talking about Cocoview, I was talking about town.  What I need
to do is take my own party to Cocoview...

> As for a quiet spot with lots of people at a table telling good stories
> without yelling, some good red wine in my hand, I can enjoy that too, but
> it's not that easy to find in West End.  It's the sort of thing that you
> almost have to make happen.

Ah, I agree, see above.

  For example, it can happen at the Argentinean
> Grill.  We didn't make it up to Pinnochio's but I'm sure you'd have quite
> liked it up there too.  Maybe you should have dived with Tyll's.  They are
> always hanging out at the shop talking diving for hours and hours. I go over
> there and sit with them from time to time but the sandfleas usually drive me
> away.

I enjoyed the youth hostel diving.  Brought back memories.
chilly - 10 Jan 2006 06:42 GMT
>    For example, it can happen at the Argentinean
> > Grill.  We didn't make it up to Pinnochio's but I'm sure you'd have quite
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>
> I enjoyed the youth hostel diving.  Brought back memories.

LOL.  Tyll's has an older crowd as a rule, than did West End Divers.

I grew quite fond of those youngster's after a while.  Duncan told me the
last night, that he deliberately left the ladder off the boat a few times
the first week, just to get me.  The little brat.
chilly - 10 Jan 2006 06:50 GMT
> > Maybe you wouldn't have but didn't you tell me most everyone at Cocoview was
> > back in their rooms by 8 pm?
>
> I wasn't talking about Cocoview, I was talking about town.  What I need
> to do is take my own party to Cocoview...

That works too.  I've had that experience at other destinations but so far,
not on Roatan.  Likely that is because I either go alone or with Kalina.

> > As for a quiet spot with lots of people at a table telling good stories
> > without yelling, some good red wine in my hand, I can enjoy that too, but
> > it's not that easy to find in West End.  It's the sort of thing that you
> > almost have to make happen.
>
> Ah, I agree, see above.

Same idea, different venue.  You see taking a group to Cocoview.  I see
taking a group to West End.  You should have stayed down at Lost Paradise.
It's a shame that Pura Vida gets such good internet press.  You may recall,
my other friends from Calgary that had left the island the day before I came
up to  Cocoview, didn't like it either.

>   (snip)
chilly - 09 Jan 2006 23:31 GMT
> > Greg, what did you think of BIBR?
>
> I actually liked the place, for the most part, though found Roatan diving
> disappointing.

It's not too fishie.  You've got to really enjoy the topography and finding
the little and/or unusual stuff.  I have a magnifying glass and I'm not
afraid to use it.

> I had been working on a trip report but only got two
> paragraphs into it before your post.  Might as well get it all off my chest:
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> had a couple birthdays during the week and the cooks whipped out cakes on
> really short notice.

Argentinean Grill just can't seem to deliver with any consistency.  I've had
the best piece of filet in my life there, as well as, more than one horrible
meal.  This trip I pretty much stuck with the chicken in mushroom wine
sauce.  It was delicious twice but the third time, it wasn't that good.
Having said that, I had a similar experience at Le Bistro.  Cliff and I had
a yummy meal there one night.  An attempt at a repeat performance was
profoundly dissappointing.

> (Diving)
>
> The dive operation ran smoothly enough, though our DM (Gustavo) swam a bit
> too fast for my taste.  Our boat was slow, but we only had a really long
> ride once when we went around the point to Herbie's Place, and snorkeling
> with a whale shark on the way back made it worth every minute.

You think your boat was slow???!!  LOL.

(snip)> expecting a lot more fish 'n "stuff".  -- Dive Report appended
below --

> (Accommodations, etc.)
>
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> little scam on his employers and the guests, pocketing cash for drinks that
> would later appear on the guests' bar tabs.

LOL, isn't that the same guy you brought to town with you?

> appreciated the relative solitude each time our boat passed through the
> massive (by comparison) Anthony's resort.  That said, I did have the
> companionship of Janna and a large dive shop group, many of whom I've dove
> with plenty of times before and consider friends.  Had I traveled alone, or
> just with Janna, the place might have seemed too secluded.

It certainly is an to each his own type of place.  I have no interest in
BIBR or Cocoview at this time.  I agree it would be lovely to have a nice
place that looks over the sea and is more quiet than where I hang my hat
when in West End.  That said, my kitchenette with satellite TV, located most
conveniently to everything in town, cost me $35 a night.

> Had the diving been better, I might even consider returning some day.
> Anthony's seemed too big, I heard from another guest who just came from
> Fantasy Island that the place was really dirty,

I agree.  Though I did not stay at Fantasy Island, my friends and I hung out
there for a few hours on a previous trip.  I couldn't figure out why anyone
would return, had they stayed there one time but it does have it's fans.

>and CocoView is, well,
> CocoView.  It ain't luxury, but it's plenty good enough for the price.

I was more impressed with Cocoview than with either BIBR or Fantasy Island.
That said, I prefer BIBR's view and beach areas.

> However, I've experienced better diving in Cozumel, Bonaire, and even Grand
> Cayman (north wall), and would repeat those spots and also give Little
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> legs with Off twice a day, I still managed to collect a decent number of
> bites of all sorts that are still keeping me scratching.

Quit scratching them and they will quit itching.  I promise.

>Also, many in our
> group complained of intestinal problems,

BIBR fine dining?  I had no problems of that nature this trip that could not
be explained away by indulgence in more than two of the local beer.

>and a cold virus seemed to be
> making the rounds as well, which kept me out of the water for two scheduled
> dives - I don't know whether that has anything to do with BIBR in particular
> or malarial Roatan in general, but I sure am glad to be back in the healthy
> Californian desert so I can fully recuperate before my next adventure.

I have a very bad bronchial cold that started developing last Wednesday.  As
yet, I'm undecided on whether to lay blame at your feet or Kalina's.  She
was also quite sick when she left.  Maybe she and I will both blame you for
bringing your dirty germs to the New Year's Eve party.

> In March, I'm on the Nekton Pilot's southern Belize itinerary, to give
> Belize one more chance after my disappointing Ambergris Caye dives a couple
> years ago.

The reason you were disappointed was entirely your own fault.  You chose not
to dive with the recommended operator.  Instead, you went with your cheap
friends on a little panga that could not cross the reef due to weather
conditions.  Certainly, the weather was no fault of your own, but the rest
of your lousy time was almost all your own fault.  You had been given good
advice and took none of it.

> Nekton is now sending the Rorqual to the Caymans for part of the
> year.  For those that don't mind the confines of a boat and could care less
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>
> So who won?

You minded it a bit less than I thought you would.  Therefore, I think Cliff
might have won.

(snip some of dive report)

> The fish were pretty similar across the reefs we dove.  A basic selection of
> Caribbean reef fish.  I rarely noted what we saw on any particular dive, but
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> ocean triggers.  Nothing really rare except the cool toadfish on the night
> dive (see below).

As well, I saw a quillfin blenny, a harlequin pipefish, a seahorse, a few
scorpionfish, toadfish, many gardens of eels, a freeswimming and actively
feeding spotted moray, many turtles of various sizes, a couple of nurse
sharks, a couple of itty bitty morays as yet unidentified, a spotted eagle
ray leap from the water, dolphins, all sorts of crabs from tiny to huge
kings, numerous redbanded coral shrimp, numerous pederson cleaning shrimp,
numerous banded cleaning shrimp, peacock flounder, dozens of flamingo
tongues, blah, blah, blah.  I was stalked by a small barracuda out at West
End Wall.  We circled each other for about 10 minutes.  Happily, he left me
alone when I had to break off to make my safety stop.  On the night dive, I
found the same little octupus 4 times.  He did all the requisite octopus
tricks and Kalina has pictures of most of them.

After doing 33 dives, things kind of run into one another in my mind and I'm
sure I've forgotten some things.  I know that there were a number of dives
that had the boat grinning from ear to ear, as we shivered our way back to
shore.

> Dive 4:  El Aguila wreck.  106' for 46 minutes.  This was a nice dive.  The
> wreck is rather large, though broken into three pieces.  We didn't do any
> penetration, but a friendly green moray came over to play with us and swam
> through my hands.  Finished the dive in the adjacent reef, making for a
> nicer profile than most wrecks I've dove.

I found an integrated weight pouch laying on some coral near the front of
the wreck.  I decided to pick it up and move it a bit so that it would be
laying out in the sand and easier to see when someone came to recover it.
The DM on my dive saw me with it and reacting quickly, attempted to reinsert
it into my BCD.  LOL.  We had a little tussle until I was able to remind her
with sign language that I don't have an integrated BCD.  She swam off with
it.  I'm thinking, well, she's narced.  We go a bit further and I start to
see all these individual weights lying in the sand.  I think to myself,
"Well, for heaven's sake, this place is just littered with weights".  That's
when I realize that she's been dumping the weights from the pocket and I
laughed to myself to realize I was obviously a bit narced myself.

We had a good laugh about the whole business once back up on the boat.  I
asked what she thought she'd do with the weight pocket.  How would the
person who lost it know to recover it?  They said they'd put a sign out
front of the shop, which was the best they could do. I never did see such a
sign go up and I still believe it should have been left where it lay for
recovery.  But whatcha gonna do?  The DM was narced out of her mind.  ;^)

So, if anyone lost a weightpocket at the Aquila wreck last week, it's at
West End Divers.

> hear each other talk even when huddled by the half-open wall in order to
> catch the cooling breeze.  A few minutes after midnight, the place suddenly
> went dark and we all piled out onto the street, the owner of the place being
> dragged away by the policia.  Apparently she had let too many customers
> leave with bottles of beer, which is a no-no there, and the cops wanted to
> teach her a lesson.

Actually, they originally just came in to talk to her about it, but she
began to curse them out and threw a couple of beer bottles at them.  So they
took her away for a couple of hours to teach her a lesson.  I missed the
whole thing, so I got my info from one of her bartenders the next day.

>Plastic cups full of intoxicating beverages, however,
> are completely legal, so we could continue to quench our thirst as
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> legs, with an unscheduled stop in La Ceiba to change plans on route to San
> Pedro Sula - I hope to never have to fly TACA again).

You didn't have to fly them this time.

> Dive 8:  Pillar Coral.  71' for 51 minutes.  Only five of our group made the
> afternoon dive, as most everyone had succumbed by this time to something
> intestinal or upper-respiratory.

OK, it's settled then.  The blame is all on you guys.  At least this time I
don't have be hospitalized (so far).  I was pretty scared when I hit Houston
on Saturday night though.  I was feeling absolutely horrid. All I kept
thinking was, I just have to make it to Calgary and then I can go to the
hospital.  Fortunately, I felt the tiniest bit better in the am and didn't
have to go to the hospital.  I saw my doc at noon today and the Xrays don't
show anything serious.  I'm on heavy meds though, since we can't be too
careful after that near death thingy last June.

(snip)> > she was:  an adolescent, about 20-25 feet.  She was heading to the
surface
> right toward me, then veered toward the rest of our group.  On her second
> pass, she got really close - I was almost within touching distance, maybe 5
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> spotted again.  Certainly not to be spotted by the other boat our group was
> occupying, which went out after lunch searching for two hours.

:^(  I'm so jealous, so jealous.  And your touchy feely friends should be
shot.

> We had our dinner and lots of drinks and champagne at BIBR, then five of us
> joined a family from Arizona that had just arrived that morning for a ride
> in a BIBR van down to West End.  As soon as we made a left at the
> crossroads, who did I spot walking along the road but chilly and her friend.
> The driver let us out and we accompanied them to Sundowners for part one of
> our New Year's celebration

No, we'd just left Sundowners when you saw us.  The "part one of our New
Year's celebration" was at Purple Turtle.

>  A few beers and rum & pineapples later, and
> meeting a friendly Brit DM who was soon headed back to Dressel Divers in
> Cozumel (at the Iberostar, which I'd like try someday)

His name is Rob and he's an instructor, but he was opting to DM at Iberostar
for a while.  Something to do with the money being just as good or better
than he was making as an inst. in Roatan and he'll get to enoy his dives a
bit more.

>, it was getting close
> to countdown time.  We mosied on over down to the Black Pearl, where I
> caught up with chilly and Janna just in time to skip the ever-growing line,
> and made it upstairs just in time to buy a few drinks and start the
> countdown.  There was a great band playing and we danced and drank away
> until calling it a night at 3 a.m.

Kalina has some super pictures.  I'll email them to ya.

> At BIBR, some neighbor was still having
> a very loud party, so we snuck up the hillside a ways to see if we could
> crash it.  Fearing getting shot or worse, we finally gave up and went to
> bed.   The next day was restful as most of the group went off for the
> afternoon to do the dolphin snorkel at Anthony's Key, then we flew home the
> next morning.

We just missed you.  As you probably heard, Kalina and I had to come out to
BIBR to get her camera.  She'd left it in your buddy's pants pocket and
forgotten about it.  Wasn't New Year's Day, just fabulously beautiful?  It
was the best weather day of my whole trip.

> Now I have to find where I hid my videocamera so I can be sure to bring it
> to Belize.  I was actually relieved I didn't find it in time to bring it to
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> bag and shouldn't have a problem even if we decide to check-in an extra bag,
> besides paying an exhorbitant $100 fee.

I'm assuming you are flying first class?  If not, you should be aware that
Continental has changed to 50 pounds per bag.  This shall be a large problem
for me in the future.

> If anyone else from the NG is down
> there, we'll be at the Princess Hotel in Belize City from noon 'til 6 on
> 3/18/06, and all day on 3/25/06, residing on the Pilot the week in between.

I was thinking of a short trip to Belize in late Feb.

I had a fabulous surprise last week.  I ran into Jenny, the wonderful DM
from my trip on Koh Tao.  She's an instructor now at Tobacco Caye.
Unfortunately, we didn't see each other until her few days on Roatan were
almost over.  We did the town one evening and had a blast.  She figures she
can get up to San Pedro or Caye Caulker to meet me if I come down.
SD - 10 Jan 2006 00:52 GMT
> Argentinean Grill just can't seem to deliver with any consistency.  I've had
> the best piece of filet in my life there, as well as, more than one horrible
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> a yummy meal there one night.  An attempt at a repeat performance was
> profoundly dissappointing.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of every restaurant I've ever been to in
this country...and I live here year round. If the boss take a night
off, the place goes to hell. Now I know most of the owners of
establishments here in town and I walk in and casually ask if Sr or Sra
So and So is here....like a friend. If they say yes, we sit and eat. If
they say no...we leave and go elsewhere. Inconsistency of restaurant
food is just one of many reasons we always get rooms with kitchenettes.
This year however, we have decided to by-pass the Bay Islands and
Central America in general. Car payments on the LandRover and the
Nissan as well as a planned trip back to the US take precedence over
dive trip expenses.

> OK, it's settled then.  The blame is all on you guys.  At least this time I
> don't have be hospitalized (so far).  I was pretty scared when I hit Houston
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> show anything serious.  I'm on heavy meds though, since we can't be too
> careful after that near death thingy last June.

This is the time of year for respiratory crap down here - bad bugs, bad
air from pollution. Even over on the mainland, we've all been sick with
bronchitis and pneumonia.Many of my students and friends have the same
crap...all are on antibiotics, most are having nebulizer treatments at
their doctor's office. Both kid and SO had it just before Christmas.
Carlos' (kids friend) whole family has it now. I expect them all to
have it at least twice more before April.

Sandi
chilly - 10 Jan 2006 02:33 GMT
> Consistency is the hobgoblin of every restaurant I've ever been to in
> this country...and I live here year round. If the boss take a night
> off, the place goes to hell.

As for the Argentinian, I suspect that it also hinges on how they come by
their beef that day or that week.  It is still one of the most popular
places in town.

>Now I know most of the owners of
> establishments here in town and I walk in and casually ask if Sr or Sra
> So and So is here....like a friend. If they say yes, we sit and eat. If
> they say no...we leave and go elsewhere.

Good plan.

> Inconsistency of restaurant
> food is just one of many reasons we always get rooms with kitchenettes.
>  This year however, we have decided to by-pass the Bay Islands and
> Central America in general.

I thought of you often over the holiday.

>Car payments on the LandRover and the
> Nissan as well as a planned trip back to the US take precedence over
> dive trip expenses.

Sad but true.

> > show anything serious.  I'm on heavy meds though, since we can't be too
> > careful after that near death thingy last June.
>
> This is the time of year for respiratory crap down here - bad bugs, bad
> air from pollution.

I know.  I caught something there last year too.  Regardless, I'm reasonably
confident that this one is from North America.  I'm pointing fingers and
naming names.

>Even over on the mainland, we've all been sick with
> bronchitis and pneumonia.

This is definitely bronchial but the doc says it is not pneumonia (yet).

>Many of my students and friends have the same
> crap...all are on antibiotics, most are having nebulizer treatments at
> their doctor's office. Both kid and SO had it just before Christmas.
> Carlos' (kids friend) whole family has it now. I expect them all to
> have it at least twice more before April.

I had a flu shot and a pneumonia shot this fall.  :^(  Now how do I get the
government to start making sure that they have all the Honduran flu bugs in
those shots too?

Damn place.  Keeps calling me back despite all the bugs biting.  Flu,
mosquito, sandfly, ants and spider bites this year.
Greg Mossman - 10 Jan 2006 02:51 GMT
> It's not too fishie.  You've got to really enjoy the topography and
> finding
> the little and/or unusual stuff.  I have a magnifying glass and I'm not
> afraid to use it.

I was looking for little stuff too.  Didn't see nuthin.

>> would later appear on the guests' bar tabs.
>
> LOL, isn't that the same guy you brought to town with you?

Yep, the one you didn't trust until I vouched for him.  I take back my
vouch.  As I told Cat, I wasn't about to complain about any staff while I
was staying there no matter how bad they were ripping me off.  It wouldn't
be any fun to run into someone in town who just got fired as a result.

> It certainly is an to each his own type of place.  I have no interest in
> BIBR or Cocoview at this time.  I agree it would be lovely to have a nice
> place that looks over the sea and is more quiet than where I hang my hat
> when in West End.  That said, my kitchenette with satellite TV, located
> most
> conveniently to everything in town, cost me $35 a night.

We didn't have satellite TV, which makes the room worth all that much more.
If I want satellite TV, I can go to Belize and stay for free.

> I was more impressed with Cocoview than with either BIBR or Fantasy
> Island.
> That said, I prefer BIBR's view and beach areas.

The only thing I know of Cocoview is its popularity and that's sort of a
turn-off.

> BIBR fine dining?  I had no problems of that nature this trip that could
> not
> be explained away by indulgence in more than two of the local beer.

Weak stomachs.  I never get sick off anything except Shula's oysters.

> I have a very bad bronchial cold that started developing last Wednesday.
> As
> yet, I'm undecided on whether to lay blame at your feet or Kalina's.  She
> was also quite sick when she left.  Maybe she and I will both blame you
> for
> bringing your dirty germs to the New Year's Eve party.

Any germs I had in Roatan, I got in Roatan.  I could just as easily blame
you for talking me into going there.

> The reason you were disappointed was entirely your own fault.  You chose
> not
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> of your lousy time was almost all your own fault.  You had been given good
> advice and took none of it.

But I did have satellite TV.  And free rum.

> You minded it a bit less than I thought you would.  Therefore, I think
> Cliff
> might have won.

Just because I'm picky some of the time doesn't mean I'm picky all of the
time.  Roughing it can be fun too.  Maybe I'll try a Blackbeard's next.
(Just kidding)

> We had a good laugh about the whole business once back up on the boat.  I
> asked what she thought she'd do with the weight pocket.  How would the
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> sign go up and I still believe it should have been left where it lay for
> recovery.  But whatcha gonna do?  The DM was narced out of her mind.  ;^)

I really enjoyed the friendly moray.  After diving with mean Hawaiian eels,
it's nice to see that they're not all so vicious.

> Actually, they originally just came in to talk to her about it, but she
> began to curse them out and threw a couple of beer bottles at them.  So
> they
> took her away for a couple of hours to teach her a lesson.  I missed the
> whole thing, so I got my info from one of her bartenders the next day.

Throwing beer bottles at the cops probaby isn't the best way to reason with
them.

> You didn't have to fly them this time.

Yes I did.

> :^(  I'm so jealous, so jealous.  And your touchy feely friends should be
> shot.

Sort of bored me.  Once you've seen one whale shark, you've seen 'em all.

> No, we'd just left Sundowners when you saw us.  The "part one of our New
> Year's celebration" was at Purple Turtle.

OK, I can believe that.  They had a very clean restroom.

> Kalina has some super pictures.  I'll email them to ya.

Please do.

> I'm assuming you are flying first class?  If not, you should be aware that
> Continental has changed to 50 pounds per bag.  This shall be a large
> problem
> for me in the future.

Not first class, just special:  "OnePass Elite Members Economy Class Free
Baggage Acceptance - 2 Checked Bags: Maximum 70 lbs (32kg) and 62 linear
inches (157 cm) (total length + width + height) per piece."  I don't know
about first-class until 3 days ahead of time, but I usually don't have a
problem getting upgraded on the ONT-IAH legs and hence could probably bring
a third 70-lb bag for free.  Maybe I will.

>> If anyone else from the NG is down
>> there, we'll be at the Princess Hotel in Belize City from noon 'til 6 on
>> 3/18/06, and all day on 3/25/06, residing on the Pilot the week in
> between.
>
> I was thinking of a short trip to Belize in late Feb.

Late February is time to make a short trip to Cozumel, not Belize.  Carnival
with Reef Fish.  Everyone who's anyone around here is going.

> I had a fabulous surprise last week.  I ran into Jenny, the wonderful DM
> from my trip on Koh Tao.  She's an instructor now at Tobacco Caye.
> Unfortunately, we didn't see each other until her few days on Roatan were
> almost over.  We did the town one evening and had a blast.  She figures
> she
> can get up to San Pedro or Caye Caulker to meet me if I come down.

The diving world can be rather small at times.  Sometimes that's a good
thing.  Other times . . .
Whistler - 10 Jan 2006 04:41 GMT
> The only thing I know of Cocoview is its popularity and that's sort of a
> turn-off.

Hmmmm...  While I understand that in principle, my normal aversion of
popular places does not extend to Cocoview.  It is very comfortable and
very efficient.  It is certainly the most efficient operation I have
ever seen.  I've done one liveaboard out of Fort Myers and it was very
efficient as well, but nowhere near as comfortable. I expect the better
liveaboards would compete.

I would certainly recommend it for a new diver who really wants to get
in some dive time to cement their skills. There is better diving
elsewhere, but the walls on the south side are nothing to sneeze at and
you can get in a whole lot of dives in good conditions while seeing a
ton of stuff.
chilly - 10 Jan 2006 05:57 GMT
> > It's not too fishie.  You've got to really enjoy the topography and
> > finding
> > the little and/or unusual stuff.  I have a magnifying glass and I'm not
> > afraid to use it.
>
> I was looking for little stuff too.  Didn't see nuthin.

What can I say? I didn't see a whale shark and you didn't see any super cool
little stuff.

> >> would later appear on the guests' bar tabs.
> >
> > LOL, isn't that the same guy you brought to town with you?
>
> Yep, the one you didn't trust until I vouched for him.  I take back my
> vouch.

Oh sure, after I had to apologize to the guy.  How do I take back my
apology?  At least I knew enough to continue to give him a cool shoulder for
the rest of the evening.

>As I told Cat, I wasn't about to complain about any staff while I
> was staying there no matter how bad they were ripping me off.  It wouldn't
> be any fun to run into someone in town who just got fired as a result.

Makes perfect sense to me.

> > when in West End.  That said, my kitchenette with satellite TV, located
> > most
> > conveniently to everything in town, cost me $35 a night.
>
> We didn't have satellite TV, which makes the room worth all that much more.
> If I want satellite TV, I can go to Belize and stay for free.

When I'm gone that long, I don't go out every single night and sometimes a
little TV is a good thing.
As for free, well, I guess you got what you paid for.

Oh yeah, thought you might want to know, Woody just passed away.

> The only thing I know of Cocoview is its popularity and that's sort of a
> turn-off.

Uh, OK.

> > yet, I'm undecided on whether to lay blame at your feet or Kalina's.  She
> > was also quite sick when she left.  Maybe she and I will both blame you
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> Any germs I had in Roatan, I got in Roatan.  I could just as easily blame
> you for talking me into going there.

I didn't talk you into going there.  I can't ever talk you into doing
anything.  You don't listen.

> > The reason you were disappointed was entirely your own fault.  You chose
> > not
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>
> But I did have satellite TV.  And free rum.

Yes, I guess free rum would have a lot of appeal for you.  ;^)  And since
you didn't listen to any of my other advice, I guess it was good that you
had access to the satellite TV while you were eating your peanut butter and
jam sandwich.

> Just because I'm picky some of the time doesn't mean I'm picky all of the
> time.  Roughing it can be fun too.  Maybe I'll try a Blackbeard's next.
> (Just kidding)

LOL.

> > whole thing, so I got my info from one of her bartenders the next day.
>
> Throwing beer bottles at the cops probaby isn't the best way to reason with
> them.

Fiesty though.  Some people like that in a woman.

> > You didn't have to fly them this time.
>
> Yes I did.

No, you didn't.

> > :^(  I'm so jealous, so jealous.  And your touchy feely friends should be
> > shot.
>
> Sort of bored me.  Once you've seen one whale shark, you've seen 'em all.

Shaddup.

> > No, we'd just left Sundowners when you saw us.  The "part one of our New
> > Year's celebration" was at Purple Turtle.
>
> OK, I can believe that.  They had a very clean restroom.

Um . . . I've never used the restroom at Purple Turtle.  It is very near my
place and so I go there to use the facilities.  As you well know, since you
also used the facilities at my place.  Or is that what you meant?

> Not first class, just special:  "OnePass Elite Members Economy Class Free
> Baggage Acceptance - 2 Checked Bags: Maximum 70 lbs (32kg) and 62 linear
> inches (157 cm) (total length + width + height) per piece."

Damn.

> I don't know > about first-class until 3 days ahead of time, but I usually
don't have a
> problem getting upgraded on the ONT-IAH legs and hence could probably bring
> a third 70-lb bag for free.  Maybe I will.

Just because you can.

> > I was thinking of a short trip to Belize in late Feb.
>
> Late February is time to make a short trip to Cozumel, not Belize.  Carnival
> with Reef Fish.  Everyone who's anyone around here is going.

As much as I'd like to celebrate your birthday with you . . .well, there's
that other factor that's less appealing.  Besides, not everyone who's anyone
around here is going.  I'm not going and Dan Bracuk is not going.  Dave
Morgan is not going, etc. etc.

> > she
> > can get up to San Pedro or Caye Caulker to meet me if I come down.
>
> The diving world can be rather small at times.  Sometimes that's a good
> thing.  Other times . . .

:^)
Greg Mossman - 10 Jan 2006 22:03 GMT
> What can I say? I didn't see a whale shark and you didn't see any super
> cool
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>
> Oh yeah, thought you might want to know, Woody just passed away.

He'd been dying for years.  I wonder if his place is for sale?  You could
move down there and run it for me.  I'll pay you with free diving and rum
punch.

>> The only thing I know of Cocoview is its popularity and that's sort of a
>> turn-off.
>
> Uh, OK.

Whistler has almost convinced me otherwise, but I have to sell myself on
Roatan all over again.  I want to go back to Bonaire instead.  For the same
price that Continental would charge me for Roatan, I can be in Bonaire. A
thousand or so per week per person gets a 1 BR condo at Buddy Dive, with 6
boat dives, unlimited tank fills/shorediving (including nitrox if I get the
right package), a truck rental, and daily breakfast buffet.  Even better,
the same package with first-class air costs only $400 more (per person).

My only dilemmae are whether or not I'll be hurricaned if I go in September
and how damn hot will it be?

>> Any germs I had in Roatan, I got in Roatan.  I could just as easily blame
>> you for talking me into going there.
>
> I didn't talk you into going there.  I can't ever talk you into doing
> anything.  You don't listen.

There are no germs in Bonaire.

> Fiesty though.  Some people like that in a woman.

I hate it when women throw beer bottles at me.

>> Yes I did.
>
> No, you didn't.

Yes I did.  But never again.  If we do next new year with them, likely in
Cozumel, I'll make sure I can book my own air.

> Shaddup.

But I don't have any on video yet.  Maybe I'll see one in Belize.

> Um . . . I've never used the restroom at Purple Turtle.  It is very near
> my
> place and so I go there to use the facilities.  As you well know, since
> you
> also used the facilities at my place.  Or is that what you meant?

Nope.  I waited in a long line just to use the facilities at the Purple
Turtle and I was impressed.  I give much lower marks to the Black Pearl's,
but I remained standing every time I went in there and therefore didn't
care.

>> Not first class, just special:  "OnePass Elite Members Economy Class Free
>> Baggage Acceptance - 2 Checked Bags: Maximum 70 lbs (32kg) and 62 linear
>> inches (157 cm) (total length + width + height) per piece."
>
> Damn.

>> a third 70-lb bag for free.  Maybe I will.
>
> Just because you can.

I would if it were easier to move them all from place to place, but often
you can't even count on a SmartCarte(TM) when you need one.  I've come
through Houston several times when all the carts were in use and you either
have to fight someone for one (I always pick an old lady) or trundle
everything balanced on your head.  Now that the requirements are universally
50 lbs, I find I don't get the backaches I used to from a full day of
baggage handling.  If we happen to go a bit overweight, however, I don't
sweat it.  And when Janna asks me if we have to keep under 50 lbs, I lie.

When we head to Bali, though, we're bringing all six.  I (Janna) finally
found my video camera where she (I) had hidden it away.  In any case, it's
been found.  I'm going shopping next weekend for lights, looking into a
NiteRider system even though the guy who sold me the camera/housing thinks
they're crap.  I can't find much else that might fit my obsolete housing
without getting too creative and it's time I give a local dive shop some
business even though it's an hour-and-a-half drive away.  Lights and housing
will take up one bag.  Bag two for digital still camera and strobes because
I just can't resist the opportunity to take macro shots of some weird
creatures.  Hopefully I'll have Janna up to speed on the video so she can
shoot while I snap.  Three and four for dive gear.  Five for clothes.  And
six for more clothes, and toiletries, because it's a long trip.  Including
carryons that makes 8-10 bags - we could take two carryons apiece and try
for the perfect 10, but carrying 10 bags with 4 hands can be a real bitch
sometimes.  I'll probably settle for 9.

> As much as I'd like to celebrate your birthday with you . . .well, there's
> that other factor that's less appealing.  Besides, not everyone who's
> anyone
> around here is going.  I'm not going and Dan Bracuk is not going.  Dave
> Morgan is not going, etc. etc.

They're not going because you're not going.  You're spoiling my birthday.
chilly - 11 Jan 2006 04:48 GMT
> > Oh yeah, thought you might want to know, Woody just passed away.
>
> He'd been dying for years.

Well, now he's accomplished it.

>I wonder if his place is for sale?

It has been for sale for as long as he's been dying.   There are very few
places in Belize that are not for sale.

>You could
> move down there and run it for me.  I'll pay you with free diving and rum
> punch.

Now you are talking.  However, I will have to have some ownership due to the
employment laws.

> >> The only thing I know of Cocoview is its popularity and that's sort of a
> >> turn-off.
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> right package), a truck rental, and daily breakfast buffet.  Even better,
> the same package with first-class air costs only $400 more (per person).

There's more crime in