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Newbie to Snorkeling and Snuba. Need some recommentions

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1/137 - 01 Jan 2006 19:58 GMT
Hi folks,
I've been an avid swimmer for years albeit confined to chlorinated
pools. I would like to go to a place where:

--- the waters are clear but not too deep
--- sealife
--- close to the shores of where I'd be staying, i.e. don't
    want to necessarily have to take an extra boat trip
    just to get to the diving areas, or if I do it shouldn't
    be too pricey

--- not too touristy

How's St. John Island of the US Virgin Islands?
Dan Bracuk - 01 Jan 2006 21:01 GMT
1/137 <mathdude@nospam.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Hi folks,
:I've been an avid swimmer for years albeit confined to chlorinated
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
:
:How's St. John Island of the US Virgin Islands?

Never been there but Bonaire and Habitat Curacao meet your criteria.
So does Sunset House in Grand Cayman.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Lee Bell - 02 Jan 2006 03:57 GMT
> Never been there but Bonaire and Habitat Curacao meet your criteria.
> So does Sunset House in Grand Cayman.

I really like Sunset House and fully agree that it meets most of his
criteria.  I'm not sure, however, that I'd call anything on Grand Cayman
"not too pricey" at least for US visitors.

Lee
Steve - 02 Jan 2006 06:05 GMT
>  --- the waters are clear but not too deep
>  --- sealife
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> How's St. John Island of the US Virgin Islands?

First, did was "snuba" a typo or did you really mean it? There's a common perception
that Snuba is somehow safere than scuba, but snuba *is* scuba. The only difference is
that the tank floats on the surface and  your movement is limited by the air hose.

As Lee and Dan mentioned, Grand Cayman is a good choice othe than the cost. Besides
generaly good diving, GC is famous for the ease of its shore diving, much of which is
available right in front of some of the resorts. Even in GC, though, the best diving
is much more accessible by boat.

As for the USVI, if you want to avoid touristy, St John is the best choice. There are
several good dive operators, with Lowe Key Watersports being my choice. Most of the
dive sites are relatively shallow. IIRC, the deepest dive I did on a trip there a few
years back was a hair over 60', but some sites are about 100'. You can certainly ask
for shallow sites, but depending on how many other divers are going out you may not
always be able to get what you'd like. Several of the sites were limited to about
50'. The visibility isn't as good as in some places, but it's still good, and there
are plenty of the usual Caribbean fish to be seen. There area few resorts with pretty
beaches, but since we didn't snorkel at any of them I can't tell you how good the
snorkeling might be. At the beaches we did snorkel, I thought it ranged from good to
very good. The island is small enough that no matter where you stay nothing will be
very far away. Besides the resorts there are a lot of private villas available. The
scenery in St John is excellent, so you definitely should drive around the island and
explore when you aren't diving or snorkeling.

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1/137 - 02 Jan 2006 17:27 GMT
>>  --- the waters are clear but not too deep
>>  --- sealife
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> that Snuba is somehow safere than scuba, but snuba *is* scuba. The only difference is
> that the tank floats on the surface and  your movement is limited by the air hose.

How deep can one go with this? I did mean snuba and not scuba since I
don't have certification in scuba and snuba apparently doesn't require
it?

> As Lee and Dan mentioned, Grand Cayman is a good choice othe than the cost. Besides
> generaly good diving, GC is famous for the ease of its shore diving, much of which is
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> scenery in St John is excellent, so you definitely should drive around the island and
> explore when you aren't diving or snorkeling.

Does visibility change with the seasons generally speaking? Not just in
U.S.V.I but anywhere. Obviously diving on clear sunny days during noon
probably helps.
Steve - 02 Jan 2006 20:29 GMT
> How deep can one go with this? I did mean snuba and not scuba since I
> don't have certification in scuba and snuba apparently doesn't require
> it?

Scuba doesn't require certification, either, but most businesses require you to be
certified before they will rent gear to you, take you diving, or fill your tanks.
Since snuba *is* scuba diving why would you choose it just because it doesn't require
certification?

"Snuba" is a trademark for a company that markets a particular variation on surface
supplied air. They also have a patent, which is probably a good example of a patent
that should never have been issued, due to prior art and their particular application
being obvious. The tank floats in a small raft (that's what the patent is about), and
it's usually done from the beach. You don't need a compressor or a boat. Snuba limits
you to 20 feet, because that's how long the hose is, but commercial divers using
surface supplied air go much deeper. You can also get small compressors that float on
the surface and usually have a 40' hose. Snuba claims to have an excellent safety
record, but from a physical or physiological perspective it's no different than
regular scuba diving in most respects. Because your depth is limited it's extremely
unlikely that you could get bent, but if you're at all careful with regular scuba
it's still very unlikely. What can still happen with Snuba are the more serious
injuries that result if you ascend without exhaling. Because of the pressure
difference between the surface and 20 feet down any air that comes out of the
regulator at 20 feet will expand about 65% on its way to the surface. If you exhale
at 20 feet the bubbles will get much bigger as they ascend. If you ascend without
exhaling the air will still do it's best to expand by 65% with your lungs offering
some resistance. If your lungs are much more than half full that will almost
certainly ruin your day, since the strength of your lungs is no match for the power
of the expanding air. When the air expands it can rupture your alveoli (the
individual air sacs in your lungs, if you didn't know), and/or enter your arteries as
an AGE, or arterial gas embolism. If you don't know what an embolism can do for you,
think blood clot in the brain and you'll be on the right track. In theory, it's
possible to damage your lungs by ascending as little as 4 feet, but it's not very
easy in the real world.

None of this should scare you, since all you have to do to avoid such unpleasantness
is exhale as you ascend, and those injuries are fairly uncommon. The first rule of
scuba is to never hold your breath. You should always be either inhaling or exhaling.
Of course if you jump in the water with no training and something causes you to
panic, bolting to the surface may seem like a good idea.

Now for some really good news. You can very easily go diving on your vacation without
becomeing certified first, by taking a "resort course". Some here will tell you that
resort courses are terribly dangerous because the training is very abbreviated
compared to a real class, and others of us will tell you it's a good, and inexpensive
way to decide if you want to continue with a full course. For about $80 to $100
you'll have perhaps an hour of class time that explains things like expanding air,
and safety considerations, then you'll spend some time practicing basic skills such
as clearing water from your mask and recovering the regulator in case you spit it out
of your mouth. Once you're done with that you'll go on a dive that is supposed to be
limited to 40 feet for about half an hour. Compare that to Snuba, where the entire
process, including classroom, practice, fitting you with gear, and the actual dive,
lasts about an hour and probably isn't much cheaper (they've got similar costs to a
diving operator, plus paying fees to Snuba). Of course if you're already confident
that you'd like to really start diving you can take a class before your trip. You can
do the entire class, including he checkout dives at home, or you can do the classroom
and pool work at home and do the checkout dives when you get to the tropics. If
you're already certified 2 dives on a boat trip will cost you about the same as one
resort course dive or a snuba dive.

> Does visibility change with the seasons generally speaking? Not just in
> U.S.V.I but anywhere. Obviously diving on clear sunny days during noon
> probably helps.

Visibility changes for a lot of reasons. Winter weather is usually rougher, so
there's a better chance that sand and other sediments will be stirred up in the
water, so that's one seasonal change. Cooler water allows more oxgen to be dissolved
in the water amd that can result in more life in general, and more plankton in
particular. Currents can change, and general weather patterns will have seasonal and
smaller variations. One of the reasons that the Cayman Islands are noted for good
visibility is that they are small, dry islands with no rivers carrying sediment into
the sea. Tobago is just the opposite, with large amounts of sediment carried by the
Orinoco River. One upside of bad viz is that it may be caused by plankton. Since
plankton is a major food source, lots of plankton may mean lots of critters.
Depending on where you are those critters can range from small filter feeders such as
sponges and tunicates, up to manta rays (soemthing Tobago is noted for), whale sharks
and real whales. However much stuff is in the water to reduce the viz, lots of bright
sunshine usually makes things nicer.

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1/137 - 02 Jan 2006 20:57 GMT
>> How deep can one go with this? I did mean snuba and not scuba since I
>> don't have certification in scuba and snuba apparently doesn't require
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Since snuba *is* scuba diving why would you choose it just because it doesn't require
> certification?

Thanks for the advice about snuba and the fact that it's basically
scuba and the physics lession on air in the lungs. I guess it boils
down to the fact that the water pressure on the outside of the lungs
compresses the air in the lung and obviously as one rises the air
will expand. I gather if one is free diving one doesn't have
this problem since the only air I'm taking in is the air I managed
to suck in at the surface... no bends?

Thanks Steve for the informative and detailed answer.

ps. Are there any special things one needs to learn about snorkeling.
Dan Bracuk - 02 Jan 2006 21:18 GMT
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:ps. Are there any special things one needs to learn about snorkeling.

Not really.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Steve - 03 Jan 2006 07:53 GMT
> I gather if one is free diving one doesn't have
> this problem since the only air I'm taking in is the air I managed
> to suck in at the surface... no bends?

Free diving means that you won't have any gas expansion problems, since the air can't
get any bigger than it was when you started down. If you run into a diver while
you're down there and take a breath you've just become a scuba diver, but that's not
very likely. You can get bent, but you have to be very good at free diving to do it,
and you have to do it repeatedly.

> Are there any special things one needs to learn about snorkeling.

I don't know about special, but it's slightly more complicated than just breathing in
and out. Unless you spend the extra money for a "dry" snorkel, you *will* get water
down the barrel even if you stay on the surface. If you do spend the extra for a dry
snorkel you'll still get water in it, but not very much. If you dive below the
surface, any snorkel will fill with water. Inhaling water sucks. Don't try to suck a
big gulp of air unless you're sure you won't be getting water. A lot of people will
tell you to buy a cheap snorkel, but if you're really going to use it for snorkeling
(as opposed to bringing it on a dive) I think a dry snorkel is worth a few extra
bucks. Most of the water will simply drain out the bottom, and a little puff should
get rid of the rest. In case you didn't know, you want decent fins even if you're
only snorkeling. You'll see a fair number of people snorkeling without them, and that
works fine if you just want to float face down and hope you're in a good place. If
you actually want to go anywhere you'll need fins, and if you want to see good stuff
you're going to have to go look for it. Lastly, even if you don't get sunburned,
floating face down all afternoon will result in a serious sunburn if you don't take
precautions. Depending on your complexion, you may get by with good sunscreen. A
lycra or polartec diveskin will prevent sunburn and help prevent problems if you
accidentally brush up against coral or jellyfish. Nothing but armor will protect you
if you bump into a sea urchin.

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Lee Bell - 04 Jan 2006 02:48 GMT
> Thanks for the advice about snuba and the fact that it's basically
> scuba and the physics lession on air in the lungs. I guess it boils
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> this problem since the only air I'm taking in is the air I managed
> to suck in at the surface... no bends?

Close, but not quite.  No embolism . . . probably.  Generally speaking, an
embolism is an expansion injury, caused by expansion of gas trapped in an
enclosed space, the lungs for instance.  Gas can, and sometimes does, get
trapped in other areas including the alvioli, stomach, intestines, etc.
Only rarely is it a problem.

The chances of getting bent while snorkeling, or free diving, are
exceptionally low unless you've been diving enough to be on the edge anyway.
I suppose it is possible to get bent by freediving only, but you'd have to
do it very deep, a great many times.  The point, however, is that getting
bent is a different mechanism.  It's caused by nitrogen coming out of
solution while still in the body's tissues.  An embolism can kill you in a
single ascent, even if you've not been down for long.  Getting bent takes
time and depth.

> ps. Are there any special things one needs to learn about snorkeling.

Don't breathe through the snorkel when it's top is under water.  I know this
sounds funny, but divers do it all the time.  They're so used to breathing
from a regulator that they simply forget they're not using one.  It's quite
amusing.to everyone except the person that does it.

Lee
nospam@all.please.net - 04 Jan 2006 04:08 GMT
>> ps. Are there any special things one needs to learn about snorkeling.
>
> Don't breathe through the snorkel when it's top is under water.  I know this
> sounds funny, but divers do it all the time.  They're so used to breathing
> from a regulator that they simply forget they're not using one.  It's quite
> amusing.to everyone except the person that does it.

ABTDT
Lee Bell - 04 Jan 2006 14:34 GMT
>>> ps. Are there any special things one needs to learn about snorkeling.
>>
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>
> ABTDT

????

Lee
1/137 - 02 Jan 2006 16:59 GMT
> Hi folks,
> I've been an avid swimmer for years albeit confined to chlorinated
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> How's St. John Island of the US Virgin Islands?

Thanks folks for giving some useful suggestions and advice.
I mentioned snuba as a possibility as I have no training
in scuba which does require certification whereas snuba
apparently does not.
Dan Bracuk - 02 Jan 2006 17:43 GMT
1/137 <mathdude@nospam.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Thanks folks for giving some useful suggestions and advice.
:I mentioned snuba as a possibility as I have no training
:in scuba which does require certification whereas snuba
:apparently does not.

You want to snuba without a boat?  Where do you plan to put your
compressor?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
1/137 - 02 Jan 2006 19:55 GMT
> 1/137 <mathdude@nospam.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
>:Thanks folks for giving some useful suggestions and advice.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> You want to snuba without a boat?  Where do you plan to put your
> compressor?

I didn't rule out using a boat. I suspect I'll confine myself to
snorkeling for now.

> Dan Bracuk
> If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
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