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Mr Fish - 06 Sep 2005 08:16 GMT
Any good?
morgand@cix.compulink.co.uk - 06 Sep 2005 10:42 GMT
> *From:* Mr Fish <nospam@nospam.com>
> *Date:* Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:16:00 +0000 (UTC)
>
> Any good?

It all depends on what your used to i guess, i have been there in Nov and
Dec in the past and the vis has been good, at times there is a lot of
"snow" in the water but generally i would say its fine. The vis is
completely different to Mabul and Kapalai which are only 10 - 15 minutes
away by boat, Sipadan does have drop offs/walls whereas Mabul and Kapalai
are shallower and the vis there can be as low as 5 metres......

Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK
Take out the "goes diving" bit....
Trip photos on line at www.morg.co.uk
chilly - 06 Sep 2005 15:24 GMT
> Any good?

You pays yer money, you takes yer chances.

I dove with some professional underwater photographers while I was there.
They've been 2-3 times a year for the last 20+/-.  They told me that the viz
has been extraordinary on many of their trips and it's been not great on
others.  They've never been able to put it down to a time of year.

When I was there, it was just OK.  While we could see a fair distance diving
at Sipidan itself, the water was full of particulate which made that
distance murky nonetheless.  Despite that we still saw dozens of turtles on
every dive, sharks on most every dive, the occasional leopard shark, a
school of hundreds of hammerheads, some smaller groups of hammerheads, manta
rays and lots and lots of schools of fish (barracuda and others).

The diving around Mabul was fine, despite particulate because most of what
we look at around there is best viewed close up.  Whereas out at Kapalai,
viz was great, but it didn't really matter, cuz again, most of what we were
looking at and for, was macro stuff.
Mr Fish - 07 Sep 2005 08:40 GMT
>> Any good?
>
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>viz was great, but it didn't really matter, cuz again, most of what we were
>looking at and for, was macro stuff.

Thanks guys,

I'm reassured! So now I just have to chose between staying at Kapalai
or Mabul.

Which would you recommend? (do they both have Mandarin fish?)
morgand@cix.compulink.co.uk - 07 Sep 2005 09:13 GMT
> I'm reassured! So now I just have to chose between staying at Kapalai
> or Mabul.
>
> Which would you recommend? (do they both have Mandarin fish?)

At Kapalai there is no land to speak of, the resort is on stilts built on
the reef. Whereas Mabul is land, you have Sandy beaches, palm trees, and
can walk around.......its not a big Island, 10 minutes would be all it
would take i guess, i have not stayed at either of the resorts, i prefer
to stay on Seaventures old oil platform which is moored just of Mabul.

There are Mandarin on Mabul, (for how long has been debated here) i dont
think there are on Kapalai, things do move around though, there used to be
a Pink frog fish on Kapalai, saw it on my first vist.......sadly not seen
it since...........

If i had to stay on either i would choose Mabul.

Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK
Take out the "goes diving" bit....
Trip photos on line at www.morg.co.uk
chilly - 07 Sep 2005 10:51 GMT
> > I'm reassured! So now I just have to chose between staying at Kapalai
> > or Mabul.
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>
> If i had to stay on either i would choose Mabul.

http://www.sipadanwatervillage.com/  (quite beautiful and built out over the
water)
http://www.borneodivers.info/             (lovely new construction and the
accommations were great)
http://www.sipadan-mabul.com.my/introduction.html  (I haven't seen this one
but there have been recommendations and it does have a pool)
chilly - 08 Sep 2005 03:38 GMT
> http://www.borneodivers.info/             (lovely new construction and the
> accommations were great)

the accommodations were great too.  ;^)
morgand@cix.compulink.co.uk - 08 Sep 2005 08:39 GMT
> > http://www.borneodivers.info/             (lovely new construction
> > and the
> > accommations were great)
>
> the accommodations were great too.  ;^)

This is the local quarter, where the local's
live....http://www.morg.co.uk/malaysia/mabul0204/slides/mabul_1139.html

http://www.morg.co.uk/malaysia/seaventures/slides/mabul_local_housing0363.
html

The nice
part....http://www.morg.co.uk/malaysia/mabul0204/slides/mabul_1145.html

This is where i enjoy
staying...http://www.morg.co.uk/malaysia/seaventures/slides/the_rig_4.html

This is
Kapalai...http://www.morg.co.uk/malaysia/kapali0204/slides/kapali_11.html

Front Entrance
....http://www.morg.co.uk/malaysia/kapali0204/slides/kapali_1351.html

Some shots from
Sipadan.....http://www.morg.co.uk/malaysia/sipadan0204/index.html

Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK
Take out the "goes diving" bit....
Trip photos on line at www.morg.co.uk
chilly - 08 Sep 2005 15:43 GMT
> > > http://www.borneodivers.info/             (lovely new construction
> > > and the
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> Some shots from
> Sipadan.....http://www.morg.co.uk/malaysia/sipadan0204/index.html

Nice shots.  Where's the hammerheads?  :^)

I see Jan has a lot of yellow on her suit.  Attracting sharks, is she?
morgand@cix.compulink.co.uk - 08 Sep 2005 16:47 GMT
> Nice shots.  Where's the hammerheads?  :^)

Sadly i have never seen hammerheads..........we were going to Layang
Layang at Christmas but it did'nt come off......supposedly hundreds of
them there.

> I see Jan has a lot of yellow on her suit.  Attracting sharks, is she?

That suit has gone in the bin now, she likes to get real close to them,
she worries me at times, she has no fear.......
I have seen her grabbing their tails. She gets a wagging finger from me.

Hopefully i will have all the fotos from our June/July trip posted
shortly, i have some (what i think are) seriously good fotos from that
trip.

Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK
Take out the "goes diving" bit....
Trip photos on line at www.morg.co.uk
Vic - 09 Sep 2005 09:51 GMT
>Sadly i have never seen hammerheads..........we were going to Layang
>Layang at Christmas but it did'nt come off......supposedly hundreds of
>them there.

On the same assumption, I planned my trip to LL at the end of April, a
couple of years ago... no signs of HHs whatsoever. According to the
divemasters, it was too late, too warm, wrong tides and all the like.
But we did see a whaleshark snorkeling on our very last day.

BTW, I am just back from Kapalai, my third time to the Sipadan-Mabul
region. Resorts on Sipadan are closed down, supposedly on
environmental concerns. The island is actually off-limits, with the
exception of a tiny beach (in between where Borneo Divers and Pulau
Sipadan Resort used to be). All the operators in the area will take
divers to Sipadan for 2 dives in the morning, and will unload them on
that beach for an hour surface interval between the dives; it gets
very crowded, to put it mildly.

I don't really buy that environmental thing: the malaysian Navy has
men staying on the island, and some work is in progress in the
off-limits areas, with workers yelling at you if you just try to get
closer. Rumors are they are setting up a larger naval base, due to the
disputes with Indonesia and piracy from Philippines; others mentioned
possible findings of oil beneath Sipadan waters (I was living in
Singapore at the time when Malaysia and Indonesia were disputing over
Sipadan and rumors were - again - that it was all about oil).

Whatever... I found diving better than before: dozens of turtles
(eating, resting, mating), schools of barracudas and jacks, bumphead
parrotfishes, plenty of whitetip reef shark, some greys. And a wall of
HHs on my first dive, a hundred or so of them. Viz in between 15 and
30m.

Mabul and Kapalai are muck dives, with viz which may be as low as 5m.
Yes, there is a mandarin fish valley in Kapalai, right at the house
reef, but I have never seen any. Kapalai village is getting larger (no
surprise): they now have 37 bungalows, building more and enlarging
common spaces; I am afraid that in a short time... you know. Still,
frogfish, crocodile fish, sting rays, pigmean seahorses, ribbon eels,
stonefishes, anemone crabs and much more.

Friends staying at Mabul first and Kapalai later, enjoyed the latter
more: rooms, food and diving operations were better, and I agree on
the basis of my previous experience at Mabul (though it goes back to
three years ago and things might have changed); they preferred Mabul
divemasters, although I like the way diving at Kapalai is organized.

Diving. Your equipment is always taken care of and prepared for you.
You are allowed to three boat dives a day (although you may get a
fourth boat ride if the DM allows you to); boats go to Sipadan in the
morning, somewhere to Kapalai or Mabul in the afternoon. The first
dive is at 5.30am, boats will then  take you back to kapalai for
breakfast, then again to Sipadan for the 8.30 dive; 1 hour surface
interval at Sipadan, another dive, then back to Kapalai for lunch. In
the afternoon, the boat leaves at 3.00pm; on top of that, you can have
as many house reef dives as you want, until 9.00pm.

Diving  is pretty much on your own, as long as you have a buddy. You
may follow the DM or just take the boat ride and dive with your buddy;
max. depth would be set at 35-40m, yet nobody is that strict on this
(they were, indeed, at Layang Layang); they are stricter about  the
dive time at 45min. Do not expect DMs to be looking closely after you
(the kind of DM that I like the most), unless you ask them in advance
and stay close to them.

Hope this helps,
Vic
morgand@cix.compulink.co.uk - 09 Sep 2005 10:28 GMT
> But we did see a whaleshark snorkeling

Where the hell did a Whale Shark get a mask and snorkle big enough ?

Did you get to dive under Seaventures Rig ???????

When i have been on the Rig there are allways boats from Kapalai and Mabul
moored up underneath.
The area under the Rig is the most prolific area for little critters that
i have found out there, much more so than either Mabul or Kapalai.

Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK
Take out the "goes diving" bit....
Trip photos on line at www.morg.co.uk
chilly - 09 Sep 2005 12:54 GMT
> > But we did see a whaleshark snorkeling
>
> Where the hell did a Whale Shark get a mask and snorkle big enough ?

LOL

> Did you get to dive under Seaventures Rig ???????
>
> When i have been on the Rig there are allways boats from Kapalai and Mabul
> moored up underneath.
> The area under the Rig is the most prolific area for little critters that
> i have found out there, much more so than either Mabul or Kapalai.

Hmm, from my perspective, diving under the rig was a major part of diving
"Mabul".

I was sorry to hear that Vic didn't see any Mandarin Fish.  If Kapalai is
building more units, then obviously, they are going to be destroying
habitat.  That said, it may mean that the only place to see the Mandarin
Fish will be just off of Mabul.
morgand@cix.compulink.co.uk - 09 Sep 2005 13:28 GMT
> Hmm, from my perspective, diving under the rig was a major part of
> diving
> "Mabul".

Yea, i can understand that, but there is such a lot of crap and junk
under there from the Rig, old steel, tyres, metal cages etc etc....that a
lot of what is down there is quite specific to that crap.
But your right, it is Mabul from anywhere other than the Rig.

> I was sorry to hear that Vic didn't see any Mandarin Fish.  If Kapalai
> is
> building more units, then obviously, they are going to be destroying
> habitat.  That said, it may mean that the only place to see the Mandarin
> Fish will be just off of Mabul.

I'm sure i heard "blasting" work on Kapalai while we were there in
June/July..........

While waiting to see the Mandarins at Paradise, in front of the old pier
on Mabul, a group of divers descended on the coral forcing us to give up
our wait, my wife went and found another stretch of coral that also had
Mandarins, That was at Christmas.........sadly they were not there either
when we went in July.

Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK
Take out the "goes diving" bit....
Trip photos on line at www.morg.co.uk
chilly - 09 Sep 2005 13:23 GMT
> On the same assumption, I planned my trip to LL at the end of April, a
> couple of years ago... no signs of HHs whatsoever. According to the
> divemasters, it was too late, too warm, wrong tides and all the like.
> But we did see a whaleshark snorkeling on our very last day.

I'm surprised.  I dove the end of April, first part of May at Sipadan and we
saw schooling hammerheads and smaller groups.  Everything I've ever read in
this regard suggests that May is one of the best times to see hammerheads at
Layang Layang.

> BTW, I am just back from Kapalai, my third time to the Sipadan-Mabul
> region. Resorts on Sipadan are closed down, supposedly on
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> closer. Rumors are they are setting up a larger naval base, due to the
> disputes with Indonesia and piracy from Philippines;

That doesn't sound too positive.  Regardless, I can't help but believe that
a small naval operation will still be less of an impact that 5 dive resorts.

> others mentioned
> possible findings of oil beneath Sipadan waters (I was living in
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> three years ago and things might have changed); they preferred Mabul
> divemasters, although I like the way diving at Kapalai is organized.

My accommodations on Mabul were *very* nice.  Where did your friends stay?

(snip)> dive time at 45min. Do not expect DMs to be looking closely after
you
> (the kind of DM that I like the most), unless you ask them in advance
> and stay close to them.

Why do you prefer a DM that stays close and looking closely after you?

> Hope this helps,
> Vic
chilly - 09 Sep 2005 16:41 GMT
> > Nice shots.  Where's the hammerheads?  :^)
>
> Sadly i have never seen hammerheads..........we were going to Layang
> Layang at Christmas but it did'nt come off......supposedly hundreds of
> them there.

You have never seen hammerheads at Sipadan???

> > I see Jan has a lot of yellow on her suit.  Attracting sharks, is she?
>
> That suit has gone in the bin now, she likes to get real close to them,
> she worries me at times, she has no fear.......
> I have seen her grabbing their tails. She gets a wagging finger from me.

Playing with fire.  Better keep an eye on her.  She must be up to some other
foolish behaviors.

> Hopefully i will have all the fotos from our June/July trip posted
> shortly, i have some (what i think are) seriously good fotos from that
> trip.

I'll look forward to them.

> Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK
> Take out the "goes diving" bit....
> Trip photos on line at www.morg.co.uk
morgand@cix.compulink.co.uk - 09 Sep 2005 17:50 GMT
> You have never seen hammerheads at Sipadan???

Nope.......

Done close to 150 dives around Sipadan, Mabul, Kapalai.......been there in
Nov/Dec/March/June/July/October.......gone early morn, lunchtimes,
afternoons.......nope, no hammerheads  ;^(

Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK
Take out the "goes diving" bit....
Trip photos on line at www.morg.co.uk
chilly - 09 Sep 2005 19:41 GMT
> > You have never seen hammerheads at Sipadan???
>
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> Nov/Dec/March/June/July/October.......gone early morn, lunchtimes,
> afternoons.......nope, no hammerheads  ;^(

Well, there's your problem.  April and May are supposed to be the best
months to see them.
morgand@cix.compulink.co.uk - 10 Sep 2005 08:39 GMT
> Well, there's your problem.  April and May are supposed to be the best
> months to see them.

I knew you'd say that..........;^)

Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK
Take out the "goes diving" bit....
Trip photos on line at www.morg.co.uk
G Winstanley - 12 Sep 2005 01:57 GMT
> Any good?

Here's some photos from between October-April 2004/05. Obviously the
vis. can change a bit over that time, but it should give you an idea. In
general there were only a few days when the vis was *really* bad, and at
it's worst on Sipadan it was a couple of metres vis. Usually better
though.

    http://www.snaq.net/PhotoAlbum/SMK

Stan
morgand@cix.compulink.co.uk - 12 Sep 2005 14:34 GMT
> Here's some photos

Good shot of the Dragonet, it looks like you took this shot at "Paradise"
between the two jetty's ? They are very well camouflaged and difficult to
photograph.
That sea grass has gone now as well..........

Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK
Take out the "goes diving" bit....
Trip photos on line at www.morg.co.uk
G Winstanley - 14 Sep 2005 14:36 GMT
> > Here's some photos
>
> Good shot of the Dragonet, it looks like you took this shot at "Paradise"
> between the two jetty's ? They are very well camouflaged and difficult to
> photograph.
> That sea grass has gone now as well..........

Thanks; they don't show up as often as I'd like, so it seems to be all
about making the most of each opportunity. Luckily I was there for
several months working, so I got plenty of opportunity to try out my
camera. Olympus C5050 back then...upgraded to a Nikon D70 in Nexus now,
and will never go back. Over in Townsville in Oz at the moment and had a
few chances to dive the Yongala and the reef out here, and have to say
I'm very pleased with the results so far, but I need more practice to
get the most out of it (http://www.snaq.net/PhotoAlbum/Australia).

Stan
morgand@cix.compulink.co.uk - 15 Sep 2005 12:37 GMT
> Thanks; they don't show up as often as I'd like, so it seems to be all
> about making the most of each opportunity.

Yes, I have some good shots of the "shy" Sea Robin, taken on a night dive
under the Seaventures "Rig", i used to try and creep up on them over at
Paradise but they would be off, staying low and close to the sand.

> Luckily I was there for
> several months working, so I got plenty of opportunity to try out my
> camera. Olympus C5050 back then...upgraded to a Nikon D70 in Nexus now,
> and will never go back.

I used to use a Sony P1 (point and shoot) and got reasonable results but
while in KK last Oct i bought a D70, Then in Dec i bought a 60mm nikor
macro and a Ikelite housing, in June 2005 i bought the Ikelite DS 125
strobe, so i did not get to use the Nikon till July this year, the shots
on the lnk below are either taken with the Sony P1 or were taken by
Marshall the Seaventures guide back in December 2004, i was not able to
dive on our Dec 04 trip.

> Over in Townsville in Oz at the moment and had a
> few chances to dive the Yongala and the reef out here, and have to say
> I'm very pleased with the results so far, but I need more practice to
> get the most out of it (http://www.snaq.net/PhotoAlbum/Australia).

We could'nt get a dive out of Townsville, we hung around for a weekend
waiting for the shops to open up but when they did open they were mostly
interested in doing courses, we just drove up to Cairns and got on a
Liveaboard out to the Coral Sea for 7 nights...

Dave Morgan @ Work in the UK
Take out the "goes diving" bit....
Trip photos on line at www.morg.co.uk
 
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