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Off topic--Buying Property in Cozumel

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Mark Lindsey - 23 May 2005 04:12 GMT
I think we are ready to take the plunge and buy a place in CAM.  We are
leaning towards a condo simply as we are not quite ready to retire and live
a life of leisure.  We also don't want the hassles of having to have a
caretaker

We have a few questions. A few (OK, a lot) questions.  I realize that some
of
you may not want to post on-line, so if you would like, please contact us
direct at:   MSLF500@Verizon(remove).net  If you like, you can leave me your
phone number and I'll call you back.

We are looking in the $400-600,000 price range.  Our plan is to stay there
3-5 times per year and rent it out the rest of the year.

Asking price- how much flexibility is in the asking price?  I always like to
find out where the bottom line is.  We looked at a couple and the price came
down 7% w/o asking.  I was thinking 20% less would be a good starting point
and hope for a 15% discount.  We are looking at a new building that is not
completed at this time.  Comments?

Has anyone found a bank in the US that will finance a property?

How much should I pay a year for the trust account?   I heard as low as $250
and as high as $550/year

If you rented your place out, who would you recommend to handle leasing?
What commissions did you pay for them providing the renter?  How about if
you provided the renter?

Do you have a property manager?  What's the monthly fee for that?  What does
it cover?

How often do you have the unit cleaned when occupied?  Daily? Every 3 days?

Do you supply the towels and sheets or is there a linen service that
provides it as part of the maid service?  If you supply the towels and
sheets, how do you determine the quantity of overstock?

Do you pay the utilities direct or have the property manager do it for you?

On average, what percentage of the year is your condo rented?

A lot of questions, but my guess is there are probably a few people out
there who know the ropes.

Thanks.

Mark Lindsey
Dr Yak - 24 May 2005 02:06 GMT
Mark,
I don't know a whole lot, but I do know that non-Mexicans cannot buy
land within something like 60 miles of the ocean.  Condos work because
you don't own the land.  Also, the Mexican government owns the immediate
sea short, but I'm not sure how far above high tide that goes.

Why would a US bank finance property in Mexico?  That's what Mexican
banks are for.  But ask your US bank.  If they can't answer the
question, maybe there's a reason.

What sort of an interest rate can you get?  Fixed or floating? What
about inflation and exchange rate risk?  What restrictions are there on
moving your money between the US and Mexico.  What if the law changes?
Elections are coming soon.  Don't forget that anything over $10,000 gets
reported to the IRS in the US.

What sort of permits do you need from Mexico for the real estate and for
longer stays?  What sort of insurance do you need?

Do you have a lawyer in Mexico to do some estate planning under Mexican
laws?  Property is always probated under local laws.  You will need a US
lawyer to coordinate things back here also.  If you get into a dispute
over some detail of the purchase, mortgage, local taxes, etc. do you
have someone who will represent you?  Is that person well connected?

We've all had dreams about owning a place in Cozumel, but the details
can make if very risky.  I like to stay at what used to be Costa Club.
It's changed hands just about every year.  Reading between the lines,
they have almost always sold individual rooms as condos to finance the
operation.  Then they go bankrupt and the condo owners lose their
investment.  Sorry, they are Hotel Cozumel.  They used to be Magic
Sunset and Hotel Brisas.

"Invest locally, travel gobally."

Dr. yak

> I think we are ready to take the plunge and buy a place in CAM.  We are
> leaning towards a condo simply as we are not quite ready to retire and live
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>
> Mark Lindsey
Lawrence - 02 Jun 2005 23:20 GMT
Tred lightly - you are in a foreign country and they play by their
rules. You have no say in what goes, especially since you are not a
citizen.

Lawrence
Greg Mossman - 02 Jun 2005 23:32 GMT
> Tred lightly - you are in a foreign country and they play by their
> rules. You have no say in what goes, especially since you are not a
> citizen.

That's a defeatist attitude to take.  When I travel, I act like I own the
place and thereby gain respect.  If that doesn't work, try shouting.
Alan Street - 03 Jun 2005 01:18 GMT
> > Tred lightly - you are in a foreign country and they play by their
> > rules. You have no say in what goes, especially since you are not a
> > citizen.
>
> That's a defeatist attitude to take.  When I travel, I act like I own the
> place and thereby gain respect.  If that doesn't work, try shouting.

Slowly, being sure to annunciate each syllable carefully and clearly ;-)
Dr Yak - 03 Jun 2005 02:11 GMT
> € "Lawrence" <coralsea5@citlink.net> wrote in message
> € news:1117750846.737807.92800@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Slowly, being sure to annunciate each syllable carefully and clearly ;-)

In Spanish.  Otherwise German.
Mark Lindsey - 03 Jun 2005 03:52 GMT
So far our attempt has been sketchy......

While we where there, they discounted the asking price by 7.5%.  I was told
they were discounting the price because the project wasn't finished yet, but
was schedule to be finished on 6/15.  That was two weeks ago.  I've stayed
in touch with the realtor and worked with my bank to secure financing.  I
finally got a bank commitment yesterday and, sent via email a contract to
purchase this AM with a 15% discount as the unit we selected had a
restricted view from one of the rooms.  It was rejected with a counter from
them of 4% less than asking.  Of course, now the completion date is 6/30
instead of 6/15.

I don't know if this is a typical Mexican negotiating ploy or if the owner
just reneged on the deal that was offered off the cuff.  Anyone with any
experience on negotiating down there that has had this happen to them?  For
an order of magnitude, this is a $500,000 USD purchase.

>> € "Lawrence" <coralsea5@citlink.net> wrote in message €
>> news:1117750846.737807.92800@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> In Spanish.  Otherwise German.
Ross Garrett - 03 Jun 2005 14:50 GMT
> So far our attempt has been sketchy......
>
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> I don't know if this is a typical Mexican negotiating ploy or if the owner
> just reneged on the deal that was offered off the cuff.

They offered you a 7.5% discount and you effectively turned it down when you
countered with a 15% discount. I don't think they should be held to their
original offer after that, nor do I think they have "reneged" on anything.
The only way he could have "reneged" is if you would have accepted the 7.5%
discount and then he refused to honor it.

It is the same way right here in the states. Based upon standard realtor
contracts, once you counter an offer, that offer is gone unless the
seller/buyer chooses to put it back on the table. But they are not bound buy
law or by any standard of behavior to do so.
Reef Fish - 03 Jun 2005 18:36 GMT
> > So far our attempt has been sketchy......
> >
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> seller/buyer chooses to put it back on the table. But they are not bound buy
> law or by any standard of behavior to do so.

Ross, you're quickly establishing yourself in this newsgroup as one
who has both knowledge and commonsense -- which is NOT always a good
nor useful trait to have in SCUBA newsgroups.  :-)

They prefer:  one-or-two worder;  one-liner;  a comedic remark;
roughly in that order -- the content of the remarks could be
immaterial.

-- Bob.
Dillon Pyron - 04 Jun 2005 02:20 GMT
>> > So far our attempt has been sketchy......
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>roughly in that order -- the content of the remarks could be
>immaterial.

You idiot, it also has to be insulting.

>-- Bob.

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Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

Dan Bracuk - 04 Jun 2005 03:49 GMT
"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:

:Ross, you're quickly establishing yourself in this newsgroup as one
:who has both knowledge and commonsense -- which is NOT always a good
:nor useful trait to have in SCUBA newsgroups.  :-)

Why not?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Reef Fish - 04 Jun 2005 06:19 GMT
> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his
> keyboard resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Why not?

Because few readers have the attention span to read more than 3 lines,
as I had explained in lines 4, 5, and 6 of my post:

RF> They prefer:  one-or-two worder;  one-liner;  a comedic remark;
RF> roughly in that order -- the content of the remarks could be
RF> immaterial.

Ross writes a coherent PARAGRAPHS <gasp>, many of which are 6 lines
or more in each, citing knowledge and commonsense reasons!

In THIS and the other <worse:  rec.scuba> ng, anything more than 3
lines are labelled as "Rants".  Those who post "Rants" are usually
followed by "gnats" most which are members of the "Dysfunctional
Gang".

I have been dispensing my KNOWLEDGE, commonsense, as well as BEATING
a couple of idiots like those found here in sci.stat.math, in which
the AVERAGE length of my posts there is about three to four times
the average length of my posts in OTHER newsgroups, getting useful
discussions out of MOST of them, with the exception of TWO idiots.

One is Richard Ulrich who had been around that ng for more than 10
years advising others when he couldn't tell his a.s from a hole in
the ground as far as statistics go -- and I repeated told him so,
giving reasons WHY, when he tried to pick nits on my posts.  He
would argue angue, as Lee Bell did when Lee was caught being WRONG.

The other idiot was Luis A. Afonzo, a Portuguese who couldn't write
English (which was completely excusable), but his ignorance in
statistics and the nonsense he posted drew no follow-up from anyone
after a few flames from me, and he had disappeared after posting
about a dozen posts with no follow-ups.

In spite of those two idiots, it really is a different environment
for knowledge and sensible discussions in that newsgroup, rather
unlike any of the rec.* newsgroups or rec.scuba.* newsgroups.

ONE of my recent "worshippers", those who stalk my posts just to put
in their digs, must have wondered why I hadn't been posting here.
He found sci.stat.math and posted his one-liner insult THERE --
using the posting name "mudshimp".

Thanks to the new google feature of "find messages by this author",
I learned that he had a LIFE TIME posting history of FOUR POSTS,
two in rec.scuba.locations, one in rec.travel.cruises, and the one
in sci.stat.math, ALL flames targeted at me, two of which one-liners.

Did that answer adequately your

> Why not?

to my comment to Ross?   Or were you able to hold your attention
span this far?  :-)

> :Ross, you're quickly establishing yourself in this newsgroup as one
> :who has both knowledge and commonsense -- which is NOT always a good
> :nor useful trait to have in SCUBA newsgroups.  :-)

> Dan Bracuk
> If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
>
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In fairness, having said all of the above, and duly noting that Dan is
one of the one-liner posters in MOST of his posts, he is NOT a member
of
the Dysfunctional Gang, nor is he known not to have an attention spam
of
more than 3 lines or even 30 lines.

Dan is just an "oddball" amongs odd balls in rec.scuba.*

-- Bob.
Greg Mossman - 04 Jun 2005 06:39 GMT
> the Dysfunctional Gang, nor is he known not to have an attention spam

Alright.  July 1.  IAH.  6 a.m. - 9 a.m.  You pick which President's Club.
I'll buy the free drinks.  Be there or be statistically square.
Reef Fish - 04 Jun 2005 07:34 GMT
> > the Dysfunctional Gang, nor is he known not to have an attention spam

That was an unintentional typo you found there.  :-)

The full quote should have been:

RF> In fairness, having said all of the above, and duly noting that
RF> Dan <Bracuk> is one of the one-liner posters in MOST of his posts,
RF> he is NOT a member of the Dysfunctional Gang, nor is he known not
RF> to have an attention spam <sci for span> of more than 3 lines or
RF> even 30 lines.

> Alright.  July 1.  IAH.  6 a.m. - 9 a.m.  You pick which President's Club.
> I'll buy the free drinks.  Be there or be statistically square.

Such invitations are always appreciated <as I have reciprocated as
many if not more, and we've yet to meet in person>.

Unfortunately, for a man <me> who had FLOWN 140,000 miles last year,
and at least 100,000 miles each year since 1999, my total flying
miles before the end of September this year will be limited to the
2411 miles  :-)  roundtrip ATL to LAX early this year because we
have to stay close to home because of my wife's ongoing 6-month
chemotherapy treatments.

Because of the Homeland Security farce, we CANNOT meet in any of the
President Clubs anywhere in the USA unless we are BOTH flying through
the same airport at the same time.   In the old days, anyone could
go to the President's Club to meet someone or send someone off.  Now
you have to have a boarding pass for a FLIGHT before you can enter
the areas where President's Clubs are located in airports.

So, it appears extremely unlikely that we'll drink in any President's
Club anytime in the future.

But I'll offer to buy you free drinks at the Sydney Hilton in early
February 2006.  :-)

-- Bob.
Reef Fish - 04 Jun 2005 08:07 GMT
> > > the Dysfunctional Gang, nor is he known not to have an attention spam
>
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> RF> he is NOT a member of the Dysfunctional Gang, nor is he known not
> RF> to have an attention spam <sci for span> of more than 3 lines or

That's an all-time FIRST -- misspelling "sic" in a "sic" correction.
:-)

Would 'spam <sci (sic) for span>  make it right?  :)

It's past midnight left-coast time;  so it's clearly past bed-time
on the right coast.

Buenas noches, bonne nuit, gute Nacht, and buona notte, y'all.

-- Bob.

> RF> even 30 lines.
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> -- Bob.
mslf500 - 03 Jun 2005 21:13 GMT
Nor am I obligated to buy it at the new price!

> > So far our attempt has been sketchy......
> >
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> seller/buyer chooses to put it back on the table. But they are not bound buy
> law or by any standard of behavior to do so.
Ross Garrett - 03 Jun 2005 22:19 GMT
> Nor am I obligated to buy it at the new price!

Yes, I think anybody reading this, knows that.

Offers not accepted leave no obligation on either party.
Reef Fish - 03 Jun 2005 18:31 GMT
> > > > Tred lightly - you are in a foreign country and they play by their
> > > > rules. You have no say in what goes, especially since you are not a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> In Spanish.  Otherwise German.

No.  Much better in Chinese!  And give them the Kung Fu Hustle.

-- Bob.
Alan Street - 03 Jun 2005 18:41 GMT
> > > > > Tred lightly - you are in a foreign country and they play by their
> > > > > rules. You have no say in what goes, especially since you are not a
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> No.  Much better in Chinese!

Mandarin, Cantonese or Hakka?
Reef Fish - 04 Jun 2005 07:11 GMT
> > > > > > Tred lightly - you are in a foreign country and they play by their
> > > > > > rules. You have no say in what goes, especially since you are not a
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Mandarin, Cantonese or Hakka?

The ADS, Dysfunctional kid snipped HALF of my one-liner!
It originally read,

RF>  No.  Much better in Chinese!  And give them the Kung Fu Hustle.

http://www.sonyclassics.com/kungfuhustle/splash/no1killers/
http://www.sonyclassics.com/kungfuhustle/splash/landlady/

Anyone who knew any of those dialects would have known that the
movie was entierly spoken in Cantonese, with English subtitles.

Kung Fu Hustle opened the same time as "Star War 3" and both got
"A-" review in most newspaper reviews.   Kung Fu Hustle was quite
subtlely FUNNY and had as much high=tech filming as Star Wars.

I watched "Star War 3" while I was waiting the "Cinderella Man"
movie to begin.

http://www.moviemansguide.com/special_features/2005summerpreview_june.php

Never watched any Star War movies before.  I was completely bored by
Star War 3 after the first 20 minutes, and had to sat through another
boring 15 minutes before the Cinderella Man movie started.

The Star War 3 movie theatre was near EMPTY.  When it opened (a
couple of weeks ago?) the hype was that someone camped out for three
days to buy the first ticket.  I think the movie AD agency paid him
a handsome sum for that publicity stunt.  The movie STUNK.  :-)

The Cinderella Man was a GREAT movie.

The Kung Fu Hustle was a very entertaining and "surprising" movie
(didn't know it was in Cantonese until the movie started) well worth
watching and catch some delay laughs after you get home.

-- Bob.
Alan Street - 04 Jun 2005 22:28 GMT
> > > > > > That's a defeatist attitude to take.  When I travel, I act like I
> > own
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> The ADS, Dysfunctional kid snipped HALF of my one-liner!

That's because only the first half was funny. Someone has to help out
you comedic special olympians.
Reef Fish - 05 Jun 2005 04:46 GMT
> > > > > > > That's a defeatist attitude to take.  When I travel, I act like I
> > > own
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> That's because only the first half was funny. Someone has to help out
> you comedic special olympians.

But as I explained, the OTHER half (that you snipped) was the funny
part and the intended funny part, which obviously escaped you!

-- Bob.
Alan Street - 05 Jun 2005 15:00 GMT
> > > The ADS, Dysfunctional kid snipped HALF of my one-liner!
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> But as I explained, the OTHER half (that you snipped) was the funny
> part and the intended funny part, which obviously escaped you!

If you have to explain a joke, it isn't funny.

(except, perhaps, to stuffy ex-statistics professors. You know, the
kind who find themselves conspicuously avoided at parties as they
rattle on and on about mean, median and mode).
Reef Fish - 05 Jun 2005 15:33 GMT
> > > > The ADS, Dysfunctional kid snipped HALF of my one-liner!
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> If you have to explain a joke, it isn't funny.

1.  Jokes sometimes have to explained to members of the Dysfunctional
   Gang who have Attention Deficient Syndrone as well as being
   severely humor impaired.

2.  In this case, I only explained that the OTHER half was the funny
   part (which I didn't have to explain) that escaped YOU. <see 1>
   Do you understand ENGLISH -- I know you're fond of name dropping
   of "Mandarin", "Cantonese", and "Hakka" about which you know
   even less than you know mathematics or statistics.

There!  Sleep on those for awhile, Alan.

-- Bob.
Alan Street - 05 Jun 2005 15:50 GMT
> > > > > The ADS, Dysfunctional kid snipped HALF of my one-liner!
> > > >
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>  
> There!  Sleep on those for awhile, Alan.

You presume a lot, Mr. Feesh. Most of it incorrect.

But since we're on the subject of humor, I thought you might enjoy
these (let me know if you need any explained):

Top ten reasons to be a statistician

  1   Estimating parameters is easier than dealing with real life.
  2   Statisticians are significant
  3   I always wanted to learn the entire Greek alphabet.
  4   The probability a statistician major will get a job is > .9999.
  5   If I flunk out I can always transfer to Engineering.
  6   We do it with confidence, frequency, and variability.
  7   You never have to be right - only close.
  8   We're normal and everyone else is skewed.
  9   The regression line looks better than the unemployment line.
  10     No one knows what we do so we are always right.

You Might Be a Statistician if...

  €  no one wants your job.
  €  you are right 95% of the time.
  €  you feel complete and sufficient.
  €  you found accountancy too exciting.
  €  you never have to say you are certain.
  €  you may not be normal but you are transformable.
Reef Fish - 05 Jun 2005 17:46 GMT
> > > > > > The ADS, Dysfunctional kid snipped HALF of my one-liner!
> > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> You presume a lot, Mr. Feesh. Most of it incorrect.

And Alan thinks an obvious act of plagiarism on his part will remove
his ADS, Dysfunctional, and humor-impaired status.

> But since we're on the subject of humor, I thought you might enjoy
> these (let me know if you need any explained):

Alan, you only ADDED a proof of your mindless plagiarism.  Need I
explain what THAT means to you?

> Top ten reasons to be a statistician
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>    €  you never have to say you are certain.
>    €  you may not be normal but you are transformable.

Nice cut-and-pasting job!

Alan, any IDIOT, even an ADS, Dysfunctional, and severely
humor-impaired one, can plagiarize VERBATIM, from the web link:

http://www.workjoke.com/projoke48.htm

BOTH of YOUR jokes were taken VERBATIM from the same web page.

but it's highly doubtful if you knew WHY some of the lines are
jokes, such as the 3rd line of the 6-line joke you stole!

-- Bob.
Curtis - 05 Jun 2005 18:33 GMT
And Alan thinks an obvious act of plagiarism on his part will remove
his ADS, Dysfunctional, and humor-impaired status.

   Damn, he's much funnier than you Feesh, and has respect for those who
disagree with him, a virtue you appear to lack.

   Welcome to my killfile, the first non-anonymous in my new folder, even
beating duds.

Curtis
Reef Fish - 05 Jun 2005 21:25 GMT
> And Alan thinks an obvious act of plagiarism on his part will remove
> his ADS, Dysfunctional, and humor-impaired status.
>
>     Damn, he's much funnier than you Feesh, and has respect for those who
> disagree with him, a virtue you appear to lack.

So, having been caught stealing from the statistical joke cookie jar,
with his willie caught in the chopping block, now Alan suddenly became
speechless and had to solicit some long-time weenie like Curtis to
babble the drivil below?

>     Welcome to my killfile, the first non-anonymous in my new folder, even
> beating duds.
>
> Curtis

Curtis, the only thing worse than some ostrich resorting to a killfile
is for the blink ostrich to have to announce as if it were some kind
of accomlishment on his part -- you must have learned that from Lee
Bell!

I thought you and some other mindless mental midgets and idiots had
already put me on your killfiles.  Watsa matter?   It broke
periodically like Lee's, or you just couldn't standing missing all
the head-clubbing exhibitions begged by Dysfunctional jerks like
Alan?

Adios!  Enjoy your residence in the hole where the sun don't shine.

-- Bob.
Greg Mossman - 05 Jun 2005 23:34 GMT
> Adios!  Enjoy your residence in the hole where the sun don't shine.

Curtis only dives in holes.  I don't think he lives in one.  (Though I
suppose he would resemble Shrek a bit if only he were green)
Reef Fish - 06 Jun 2005 02:38 GMT
> > Adios!  Enjoy your residence in the hole where the sun don't shine.
>
> Curtis only dives in holes.  I don't think he lives in one.  (Though I
> suppose he would resemble Shrek a bit if only he were green

Did Curtis used to call himself CPR86?   For some reason I have that
vague association when CPR86 surfaced without his old handle not
long ago.

-- Bob.
Curtis - 06 Jun 2005 03:02 GMT
> "Reef Fish" >> Adios!  Enjoy your residence in the hole where the sun
> don't shine.

> Curtis only dives in holes.  I don't think he lives in one.  (Though I
> suppose he would resemble Shrek a bit if only he were green)

   Sun may shine on an average day, enough to get me median well done, if
I'm not too mean to the trolls.

   Statistically speaking, I do live in one, since I refuse to die in one.

Curtis
Reef Fish - 06 Jun 2005 04:42 GMT
> > "Reef Fish" >> Adios!  Enjoy your residence in the hole where the sun
> > don't shine.
>
> > Curtis only dives in holes.  I don't think he lives in one.  (Though I
> > suppose he would resemble Shrek a bit if only he were green)

>     Statistically speaking, I do live in one, since I refuse to die in one.
>
> Curtis

Then you should have learned Denis Healey's First Law of Holes:
"When you find yourself in one, stop digging!"

-- Bob.
Alan Street - 06 Jun 2005 20:43 GMT
> > And Alan thinks an obvious act of plagiarism on his part will remove
> > his ADS, Dysfunctional, and humor-impaired status.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> speechless and had to solicit some long-time weenie like Curtis to
> babble the drivil below?

1 - I didn't steal anything. I did a quick google search on math jokes,
and posted what I found (especially since some of them describe you
perfectly). I never claimed, inferred, insinuated, suggested, etc.,
that I made them up. You, as usual, jumped to a conclusion and started
typing before you engaged your brain

2 - I don't need to solicit anyone to help me make you look like a
fool. You do an amazingly good job all by yourself. It's just that some
others like to join in on the fun and slap you around a little bit.

3 - In a face-to-face meeting, I don't think you'd have the courage to
call Curtis a "long-time weenie."
Greg Mossman - 06 Jun 2005 21:15 GMT
> 3 - In a face-to-face meeting, I don't think you'd have the courage to
> call Curtis a "long-time weenie."

I don't know about that last one.  I mean there are a lot of things I
wouldn't have the courage to call Curtis face-to-face, but "long-time
weenie" is a such a lame insult that it would probably fail to offend even
the most mean, huge, and scary-looking.
Reef Fish - 06 Jun 2005 22:21 GMT
> > > And Alan thinks an obvious act of plagiarism on his part will remove
> > > his ADS, Dysfunctional, and humor-impaired status.
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> and posted what I found (especially since some of them describe you
> perfectly).

That's called "playarism" -- the forst form of "stealing".  In
academic circles, the perpetrator's career would be over and he
would have wished that his willie had been chopped off instead of
getting caught plagiarizing.

> I never claimed, inferred, insinuated, suggested, etc.,
> that I made them up. You, as usual, jumped to a conclusion and started
> typing before you engaged your brain

That only showed you completely lack of integrity.  Do you think
a student taking someone else's work on a webpage and turned
that in as homework, not be punished for plagiarism had the
student "never claimed, inferred, insinuated, suggested" that
he made them up?

You're even more naive than I thought in your lack of ethical
values.

There aren't that many original jokes.  I expected you to have
pulled a few from some joke files without acknowledging where
each of them come from, because some of the older jokes are not
even easily attributable.

But pulling TWO ENTIRE SETS (verbatim) from ONE source and not
acknowledge it?

You could have said, "these came from http://www. ..., but I
thought they applied to you perfectly" or something like that,
and it would have NOT been plagiarism, but proper attribution
of COPYRIGHTED source.

> 2 - I don't need to solicit anyone to help me make you look like a
> fool. You do an amazingly good job all by yourself. It's just that some
> others like to join in on the fun and slap you around a little bit.

Just like the "birds of the same feather" attitude of the Dysfunctional
Gang, I am sure.

> 3 - In a face-to-face meeting, I don't think you'd have the courage to
> call Curtis a "long-time weenie."

Speak for yourself, you ADS, Dysfunctional, humor-impaired, and
plagiarizing WEENIE!

-- Bob.
Crownfield - 07 Jun 2005 05:28 GMT
<>

> 1 - I didn't steal anything. I did a quick google search on math jokes,
> and posted what I found (especially since some of them describe you
> perfectly). I never claimed, inferred, insinuated, suggested, etc.,
> that I made them up. You, as usual, jumped to a conclusion and started
> typing before you engaged your brain

his brain seems mostly unused.

> 2 - I don't need to solicit anyone to help me make you look like a
> fool. You do an amazingly good job all by yourself. It's just that some
> others like to join in on the fun and slap you around a little bit.
>
> 3 - In a face-to-face meeting, I don't think you'd have the courage to
> call Curtis a "long-time weenie."
Reef Fish - 07 Jun 2005 06:29 GMT
He wrote something?

The parade of the Dysfunctional Gang is heeeeeeere once more!!

The never-diving ever-sticking-his-nose-in-some-Gang-member's
a.s Mental Midget extraordinaire is showing his stupidity again.

LOL
Reef Fish - 07 Jun 2005 12:08 GMT
On 6/7/05 1:29 AM, in article
1118122154.981635.282380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "Reef Fish"
<Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote:

> He wrote something?
>
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>
> LOL

Oops! that was autobiographical
Reef Fish - 08 Jun 2005 05:31 GMT
The Dysfunctional coward who faked the posting ID as

> On 6/7/05 1:29 AM, in article
> 1118122154.981635.282380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "Reef Fish"
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>
> Oops! that was autobiographical

So the parade of the Dysfunctional Gang has gone into FAKING IDs
now.  It's about time you are ashamed of yourselves.

Alan, it's time for you to plagiarize a few more jokes now.
This time on Dysfunctional Cowards.

-- Bob.
Alan Street - 08 Jun 2005 16:44 GMT
> > > The never-diving ever-sticking-his-nose-in-some-Gang-member's
> > > a.s Mental Midget extraordinaire is showing his stupidity again.
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> So the parade of the Dysfunctional Gang has gone into FAKING IDs
> now.  It's about time you are ashamed of yourselves.

I might be, except for two things:

1- although this poster uses a Macintosh (posted from Entourage) like
me, they're in Washington, D.C. (do a traceroute, if it's not beyond
your capabilities). I'm firmly entrenched in San Diego except when I
travel. Like you, I leave enough clues when I'm on the road that people
know when I'm travelling, and I'm not at the moment. Therefore, I'm not
in D.C., I couldn't have posted that message, and I have no reason to
be ashamed about my own conduct.

2 - Even though anonymous, they've got you nailed :-)

> Alan, it's time for you to plagiarize a few more jokes now.
> This time on Dysfunctional Cowards.

Well, again, I never plagerize anything. Posting jokes from a website
onto Usenet isn't plagerizing. It's copying. No one on Usenet (except
you, for some delusional reason) assumes I was taking credit for
authoring the jokes. I was simply passing along some good humor I found
on the net.

Interestingly, I don't find any posted jokes about "dysfunctional
cowards." I find plenty about statisticians and dysfunctional
professors, however. I'd share them, but I don't think you'd appreciate
being the butt of yet another round of jokes.

> -- Bob.
Reef Fish - 09 Jun 2005 04:30 GMT
> > > > The never-diving ever-sticking-his-nose-in-some-Gang-member's
> > > > a.s Mental Midget extraordinaire is showing his stupidity again.
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> in D.C., I couldn't have posted that message, and I have no reason to
> be ashamed about my own conduct.

Alan, I know you have the ADS, a humor-impaired plagiarizer, and a
member of the Dysfunctional Gang, but do you suffer from paranoid
schizophrenia TOO?  You are not the only member of the Dysfunctional
Gang, are you?

And you flatter youself in imagining anyone would give a sh.t where
YOU are when you travel.  Dude, you are a schizoid with an illusion
of grandeur.

When you see the football players in a huddle, do you think they are
talking about you too?  Sure, Alan!

> > Alan, it's time for you to plagiarize a few more jokes now.
> > This time on Dysfunctional Cowards.
>
> Well, again, I never plagerize anything. Posting jokes from a website
> onto Usenet isn't plagerizing. It's copying.

Just like students copying other students' term papers and whole
sale copying of articles on webpages and get the credit for
themselves without acknowledging the sources.

> Interestingly, I don't find any posted jokes about "dysfunctional
> cowards."

Then there's a golden opportunity for you to make up a couple of
original ones instead of STEALING and PLAGIARIXING those of others.

LOL!  That's how untterly stooopid you are, to have missed the
intended point of my suggestion.  Not many posters in newsgroups
even know what Dysfunctional MEANS.  It's a special characteristics
of people like you in rec.scuba.   There ain't many of them creatures
in the world.

-- Bob.
Curtis - 10 Jun 2005 06:42 GMT
from "Alan Street"

> ? So the parade of the Dysfunctional Gang has gone into FAKING IDs
> ? now.  It's about time you are ashamed of yourselves.

  Damn, Feesh doing one of those thread name attacks?  Aw, gee, somebody
gve the poor man some Cialis.

Curtis
Curtis - 10 Jun 2005 06:41 GMT
> 2 - I don't need to solicit anyone to help me make you look like a
> fool. You do an amazingly good job all by yourself. It's just that some
> others like to join in on the fun and slap you around a little bit.

   Alan doesn't need my help to defend himself.

   Ding-a-Ling does quite well all by his lonesome, over a long perion of
time.  Just because I've never "engaged" him before doesn't mean I didn't
spot arrogance without substance.

> 3 - In a face-to-face meeting, I don't think you'd have the courage to
> call Curtis a "long-time weenie."

   Long time weenie?  Is that what he called me?

   Oh, I am so hurt, so shocked, so angry, it really hurts to not have his
respect......although, I did get him to hump my leg.   ;-)

Curtis
Dillon Pyron - 03 Jun 2005 03:48 GMT
>> > Tred lightly - you are in a foreign country and they play by their
>> > rules. You have no say in what goes, especially since you are not a
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>
>Slowly, being sure to annunciate each syllable carefully and clearly ;-)

It helps to use an accent and foreign sounding words.

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Dillon Pyron - 03 Jun 2005 03:48 GMT
>> Tred lightly - you are in a foreign country and they play by their
>> rules. You have no say in what goes, especially since you are not a
>> citizen.
>
>That's a defeatist attitude to take.  When I travel, I act like I own the
>place and thereby gain respect.  If that doesn't work, try shouting.

Throw dollar bills around.  American money is good anywhere.  It's
just not as good as it used to be in Europe.

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