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Belize Liveaboard - Sea Dancer II -11/05

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sqadmin@gmail.com - 13 May 2005 04:10 GMT
Looking for a getaway? National Geographic Portal Trip or any number of
specialties offered by Rich (PADI M-10927) the instructor on the trip.
So why not travel to Belize, aboard the Peter Hughes, Sun Dancer II. A
138 feet long and 26 feet wide, it serves 20 guests with a crew of
seven. From BWI (Baltimore, MD) this trip comes in around $2595
http://www.divestsc.com/news.html#belize
RBest@DiveSTSC.com
Greg Mossman - 13 May 2005 05:58 GMT
<spadmin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1115953843.736179.165900@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Looking for a getaway? National Geographic Porkal Trip or any number of
> specialties offered by Rich (PADI M-10927) the instructor on the trip.
> So why not travel to Belize, aboard the Peter Hughes, Spam Dancer II. A

A trip to Belize on a Peter Hughes boat in the middle of hurricane season.
Sounds like a deal to me.
chilly - 13 May 2005 06:17 GMT
> <spadmin@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1115953843.736179.165900@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> A trip to Belize on a Peter Hughes boat in the middle of hurricane season.
> Sounds like a deal to me.

You'd think they'd be offering a bigger discount.
sqadmin@gmail.com - 13 May 2005 15:21 GMT
Hurricane season from June until mid-November. However, historically,
most hurricanes occur between August and October in Belize. So actualy
its the tail end of hurricane season
Daniel Arrepas - 13 May 2005 15:52 GMT
> Hurricane season from June until mid-November. However, historically,
> most hurricanes occur between August and October in Belize.

Iris didn't......which should be enough to cause anyone a moment of serious
reflection when considering a Belize liveaboard trip during hurricane
season. There is a reason October and November are considered part of
hurricane season.
Greg Mossman - 13 May 2005 16:13 GMT
> Hurricane season from June until mid-November. However, historically,
> most hurricanes occur between August and October in Belize. So actualy
> its the tail end of hurricane season

So why would anyone travel with a spammer during hurricane season when they
could, for $200 more, safely travel outside of hurricane season?

Plus you have to add in the expense of travel insurance which anyone taking
a Peter Hughes boat during hurricane season would be a fool not to have.  I
didn't see any disclaimer and warning to purchase such insurance on your
spam.  Does this mean that you're personally taking on the risk that Hughes
might cancel the charter and refuse refunds like he did the last time?

And where did you get the idea that it was OK to advertise your trip here,
where commercial advertising is forbidden?  Not only is it a waste of time
since no one here is stupid enough to take the bait and we all boycott
spammers, but there's a good chance it will backfire as everyone who reads
this group will tell all their friends to boycott your hurricane trip as
well.  Obviously you need to be in a different line of work if you can't
afford to advertise on your own.
sqadmin@gmail.com - 13 May 2005 19:05 GMT
actualy i just though you guys might be intrested its not my trip i am
not tring to advertise i saw it on scubascuba.com and just though i
would share no need to go off the deep end..
Greg Mossman - 13 May 2005 19:12 GMT
<spamadmin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1116007544.048301.75920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> actualy i just though you guys might be intrested its not my trip i am
> not tring to advertise i saw it on scubascuba.com and just though i
> would share no need to go off the deep end..

Yeah, right.  That's one of the worst covers for spam I've heard to date.

Even more reason to boycott the trip.
chilly - 13 May 2005 20:25 GMT
> actualy i just though you guys might be intrested its not my trip i am
> not tring to advertise i saw it on scubascuba.com and just though i
> would share no need to go off the deep end..

We aren't going off the deep end and we aren't going on a Peter Hughes
liveaboard to Belize during hurricane season, either.
Dan Bracuk - 14 May 2005 01:17 GMT
"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:Does this mean that you're personally taking on the risk that Hughes
:might cancel the charter and refuse refunds like he did the last time?

What last time?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
chilly - 14 May 2005 10:18 GMT
> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> :Does this mean that you're personally taking on the risk that Hughes
> :might cancel the charter and refuse refunds like he did the last time?
>
> What last time?

Yeah, what Dan said.  Last time, Peter didn't cancel.  That was why so many
people died.
Greg Mossman - 14 May 2005 17:02 GMT
>> What last time?
>
> Yeah, what Dan said.  Last time, Peter didn't cancel.  That was why so
> many
> people died.

I thought he canceled the subsequent charters until he brought in the boat
from Palau.  Those who were canceled had few options available.
chilly - 14 May 2005 18:42 GMT
> >> What last time?
> >
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> I thought he canceled the subsequent charters until he brought in the boat
> from Palau.  Those who were canceled had few options available.

Ah.
Greg Mossman - 14 May 2005 19:30 GMT
>> > Yeah, what Dan said.  Last time, Peter didn't cancel.  That was why so
>> > many
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Ah.

Which means the fools who book with the spammer not only risk certain death
if they get hit by a hurricane, but risk losing their investment if a trip
prior to theirs capsizes and kills everyone aboard.

Spam = Murder
Dan Bracuk - 15 May 2005 12:34 GMT
"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:I thought he canceled the subsequent charters until he brought in the boat
:from Palau.  Those who were canceled had few options available.

But they did get trip credits to take another Peter Hughes trip in the
future.  What they lost was their airfare, maybe.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Lee Bell - 15 May 2005 14:25 GMT
> :I thought he canceled the subsequent charters until he brought in the
> boat
> :from Palau.  Those who were canceled had few options available.
>
> But they did get trip credits to take another Peter Hughes trip in the
> future.  What they lost was their airfare, maybe.

You've overlooked the impact on vacation time.  For most people,
cancellation of vacation plans often means loss of the chance to take a
meaningful vacation.  For some people, that's more important than the
financial considerations.

Lee
Dillon Pyron - 15 May 2005 19:42 GMT
>> :I thought he canceled the subsequent charters until he brought in the
>> boat
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>meaningful vacation.  For some people, that's more important than the
>financial considerations.

Many companies now have use-or-lose vacation policies.  And
rescheduling a vacation like that usually involves at least six months
of planning.

>Lee

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Dan Bracuk - 15 May 2005 23:27 GMT
Dillon Pyron <dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:Many companies now have use-or-lose vacation policies.  And
:rescheduling a vacation like that usually involves at least six months
:of planning.

So?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Dan Bracuk - 15 May 2005 23:32 GMT
"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:You've overlooked the impact on vacation time.  For most people,
:cancellation of vacation plans often means loss of the chance to take a
:meaningful vacation.  For some people, that's more important than the
:financial considerations.

If that particular vacation was that precious, the people could have
bought another one somewhere else and taken the Peter Hughes trip at
another time.

Or, they could have taken another Peter Hughes trip if space was
available.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Greg Mossman - 15 May 2005 16:03 GMT
> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> But they did get trip credits to take another Peter Hughes trip in the
> future.  What they lost was their airfare, maybe.

But Belize is much more affordable in terms of money and time than other
Peter Hughes destinations which may take several days of travel to/from the
boat and much more money for air fare and the extra cost of the charter (I
believe Belize is Peter's cheapest boat trip).  A refund would have allowed
people to chose a comparable replacement trip elsewhere in the Caribbean.
Dan Bracuk - 15 May 2005 23:30 GMT
"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:But Belize is much more affordable in terms of money and time than other
:Peter Hughes destinations which may take several days of travel to/from the
:boat and much more money for air fare and the extra cost of the charter (I
:believe Belize is Peter's cheapest boat trip).  A refund would have allowed
:people to chose a comparable replacement trip elsewhere in the Caribbean.

They could have taken a Peter Hughes vacation in Turks and Caicos,
which has very nice diving, and it also in the Caribbean, well, sort
of.  In any event, Peter Hughes had a boat running out of
Provodenciales at the time, which has a get to cost about the same as
Belize for most of North America.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
chilly - 13 May 2005 17:02 GMT
> Hurricane season from June until mid-November. However, historically,
> most hurricanes occur between August and October in Belize. So actualy
> its the tail end of hurricane season

Mid-November?  Actually, it isn't officially over until the end of November.
Regardless, your spam trip is November 5 and so still in hurricane season.

Lessee, here's some November hurricanes, some of them later in November but
all of them too close to November 5 for comfort:

Storm 6
Storm 10
Storm 14 (1916)
Storm 2 (1925)
Kate
Michelle
Gordon
Greta
Lenny
Mitch
Dillon Pyron - 13 May 2005 20:20 GMT
><spadmin@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1115953843.736179.165900@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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>A trip to Belize on a Peter Hughes boat in the middle of hurricane season.
>Sounds like a deal to me.

It could be.  It depends on how much they're paying.

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chilly - 13 May 2005 20:25 GMT
> ><spadmin@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1115953843.736179.165900@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> >
> It could be.  It depends on how much they're paying.

$2595, it was in the first post.  Does that sound like a deal to you?
Dillon Pyron - 14 May 2005 23:00 GMT
>> ><spadmin@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1115953843.736179.165900@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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>
>$2595, it was in the first post.  Does that sound like a deal to you?

They're going to pay me $2600?  I think I could do that.  That should
cover repatriation of remains.

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me@yahoo.comet - 23 May 2005 06:44 GMT
>>> ><spadmin@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:1115953843.736179.165900@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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>They're going to pay me $2600?  I think I could do that.  That should
>cover repatriation of remains.

That's before the fuel surcharge.  You don't learn about that until
after you pay for the trip.
 
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