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Scuba Forum / Scuba Locations / May 2005Bali and Lombok Trip from UK
For those interested in Bali & Lombok check this out 'www.scubadivingtours.co.uk' (http://www.scubadivingtours.co.uk)  Signaturejason Padi divemaster > For those interested in Bali & Lombok check this out > > 'www.spamdivingtours.co.suk' (http://www.spamdivingtours.co.suk) No one wants to travel with a cheap lousy spammer. Why is putting an add about a trip that I am trying to put together Spam? I started this thread in the rec.scuba.locations area where info about places to dive should be put, I have also said quite clearly that it is for those interested in Bali and Lombok, if you are not then don't look. I have spent alot of time and effort in researching the costs, negociating with operators and hotels and not least in putting a web site together so that those interested can get more information on the trip. The price £950 is for 2 weeks and includes flights, accommodation and 20 dives, is suitable for all levels of diver and caters for non-divers.Courses are also available at prices that you will not beat, all this in a great part of the world that is still recovering from the Bali bomb and needs tourists to survive. So once again, for those interested in Bali and Lombok check this out 'www.scubadivingtours.co.uk' (http://www.scubadivingtours.co.uk) Many thanks to all those that have looked, I hope the info is useful. I have travelled to this part of the world many time so if you have any questions about Bali or lombok I am more than willing to help wether you are interested in this trip or not. Signaturejason Padi divemaster > I have spent alot of time and effort That's your choice and doesn't force any requirement on anyone else or any other forum....particularly this newsgroup. Here's why: http://scifi.squawk.com/scuba.html Please note the comment "Commercial advertisements are not appropriate. " It probably is Greg's fault that relative to "Spam" he doesn't understand the difference between content and consent, but he was, under any other condition, correct and your were wrong. And I might add...compared to other responses I have seen here to callous disregard for the rules against advertising...Greg was sweet as sugar with a kiss on the cheek and a cherry on top. You should feel blessed :^) "Daniel Arrepas" <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :That's your choice and doesn't force any requirement on anyone else or any :other forum....particularly this newsgroup. Here's why: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] :disregard for the rules against advertising...Greg was sweet as sugar with a :kiss on the cheek and a cherry on top. You should feel blessed :^) There are no rules on this newsgroup. The reference is a faq, not a set of rules. Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > There are no rules on this newsgroup. The reference is a faq, not a > set of rules. Uh huh. Whatever. Please also note: ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/rec/rec.scuba.locations From zimmmt@aur.alcatel.com Fri Aug 11 14:41:43 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Mike Zimmerman <zimmmt@aur.alcatel.com> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.scuba,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.europe,rec.travel.misc,rec.travel.cruises Subject: RFD: rec.scuba reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Aug 1995 18:41:38 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 67 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <40g892$jdc@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.scuba.locations Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7312 news.groups:163867 rec.scuba:69022 rec.travel.latin-america:649 rec.travel.asia:13054 rec.travel.europe:34743 rec.travel.misc:18157 rec.travel.cruises:11577 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.scuba.locations unmoderated group rec.scuba to rec.scuba.misc (renames rec.scuba) Summary: Split of rec.scuba to create a scuba travel-specific group. Proponent: Mike Zimmerman <zimmmt@aur.alcatel.com> Mentor: Ilana Stern <ilana@niwot.scd.ucar.edu> This is a formal request for discussion on the split of the unmoderated newsgroup rec.scuba to create a scuba travel/location-specific group. This is not a call for votes. Please don't vote now. RATIONALE: The rec.scuba newsgroup has reached a high level of daily traffic. Statistics from the Usenet Info Center show rec.scuba with a monthly volume of 4470 messages, or approximately 149/day. It has been noted that close to 50% of these messages (75/day) are related to divers' questions about the logistics of arranging a dive vacation or the diving conditions in an area to which they might move. Thus by creating rec.scuba.locations, the traffic on rec.scuba could be split in half, with the remaining (non-location specific) discussions taking place in rec.scuba.misc. CHARTER: rec.scuba.locations The purpose of this group will be for divers to exchange information about dive sites, dive locations, dive operations at these locations, and how to get themselves and their gear there. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. CHARTER: rec.scuba.misc This group is for discussion of all topics related to scuba diving which do not fall into any other defined category. (Note: this sentence is intended to be vague such that this charter need not change when the rec.scuba.* hierarchy further expands). Infrequent advertisements from private individuals are acceptable but commercial advertising is not. PROCEDURE: This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. Discussion will take place in news.groups only. Please post follow-ups to news.groups only. This is NOT a ballot for a vote. This posting is to initiate a discussion, to occur in the news.groups newsgroup, about the proposal. This discussion will last about a month, and not less than 21 days. If a consensus can be reached in the discussion, the proponent will send the revised proposal to the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers who will then post the official ballot giving the procedure for voting. This vote will then last about a month, details to be in the offical Call For Vote ballot posting. When voting time comes, you will be advised as to how, where and how long the vote would be taken. If the proposal receives 100 more YES votes than NO and (at least) twice as many YES as NO votes, the group will be created. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD is being posted to the following relevant newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.scuba, rec.travel.latin-america, rec.travel.asia, rec.travel.europe, rec.travel.misc, rec.travel.cruises From zimmmt@aur.alcatel.com Fri Sep 29 17:08:46 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: zimmmt@aur.alcatel.com (Mike Zimmerman) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.scuba,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.europe,rec.travel.misc,rec.travel.cruises,bit.listserv.scuba-l Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.scuba.{locations,equipment,misc} Followup-To: news.groups Date: 29 Sep 1995 21:08:43 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 93 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <44hn8r$r8@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.scuba.locations Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7629 news.groups:168988 rec.scuba:75902 rec.travel.latin-america:1971 rec.travel.asia:15560 rec.travel.europe:39807 rec.travel.misc:20684 rec.travel.cruises:13658 bit.listserv.scuba-l:24565 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.scuba.locations unmoderated group rec.scuba.equipment unmoderated group rec.scuba.misc (renames rec.scuba) Summary: Split of rec.scuba to create a scuba equipment and a scuba travel-specific group Proponent: Mike Zimmerman <zimmmt@aur.alcatel.com> Mentor: Ilana Stern <ilana@niwot.scd.ucar.EDU> This is a second request for discussion on the split of the unmoderated newsgroup rec.scuba to create a scuba equipment and a scuba travel/location-specific group. CHANGES since the first RFD: The group rec.scuba.equipment was added as a result of a straw poll. The wording of the .locations charter was slightly changed to include liveaboards and to convey the intent that information exchange be from first-hand experience at dicussed locations. This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. This RFD is being posted to the following relevant newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.scuba, rec.travel.latin-america, rec.travel.asia, rec.travel.europe, rec.travel.misc, rec.travel.cruises, bit.listserv.scuba-l Discussion will take place in news.groups only. Please post follow-ups to news.groups only. This is not a call for votes. Please don't vote now. RATIONALE: all groups The rec.scuba newsgroup has reached a high level of daily traffic. Statistics from the Usenet Info Center show rec.scuba with a monthly volume of 4470 messages, or approximately 149/day. It has been noted that close to 50% of these messages (75/day) are related to divers' questions about the logistics of arranging a dive vacation or the diving conditions in an area to which they might move. Another 20-25% are related to the purchase and discussion of scuba gear. Thus by creating rec.scuba.equipment and rec.scuba.locations, the traffic on rec.scuba could be broken into smaller pieces with the remaining discussions taking place in rec.scuba.misc. CHARTER: rec.scuba.locations The purpose of this group will be to exchange information (preferably first-hand) about dive sites, dive locations (including live-aboards), dive operations at these locations, how to get yourself and your gear there, and where to stay/ eat/play once you do. Commercial advertisements are not appropriate. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.scuba.equipment This group is for discussion of all topics related to scuba diving equipment: its purchase, its use, and for the sharing of experiences that others have had with it. Infrequent advertisements from private individuals are acceptable but commercial advertising is not. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.scuba.misc This group is for discussion of all topics related to scuba diving which do not fall into any other defined category. (Note: this sentence is intended to be vague such that this charter need not change if the rec.scuba.* hierarchy ever expands). Infrequent advertisements from private individuals are acceptable but commercial advertising is not. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is NOT a ballot for a vote. This posting is to initiate a discussion, to occur in the news.groups newsgroup, about this second proposal. This second discussion will last about two weeks. If a consensus can be reached in the discussion, the proponent will send the revised proposal to the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers who will then post the official ballot giving the procedure for voting. This vote will then last about a month, details to be in the offical Call For Vote ballot posting. When voting time comes, you will be advised as to how, where and how long the vote would be taken. If the proposal receives 100 more YES votes than NO and (at least) twice as many YES as NO votes, the group will be created. From votetaker@f10.facts.uky.edu Fri Oct 20 18:02:35 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Kenneth Herron <votetaker@f10.facts.uky.edu> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,bit.listserv.scuba-l,rec.scuba,rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.cruises,rec.travel.europe,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.misc Subject: CFV: rec.scuba.{equipment,locations,misc} Followup-To: poster Date: 20 Oct 1995 22:02:30 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 130 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 11 Nov 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <46969m$ed7@rodan.UU.NET> Reply-To: <voting@f10.facts.uky.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.scuba.locations Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7727 news.groups:170904 bit.listserv.scuba-l:25363 rec.scuba:78549 rec.travel.asia:16572 rec.travel.cruises:14426 rec.travel.europe:41380 rec.travel.latin-america:2496 rec.travel.misc:21736 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.scuba.equipment unmoderated group rec.scuba.locations unmoderated group rec.scuba.misc (renames rec.scuba) Newsgroups lines: rec.scuba.equipment Scuba equipment, purchase, pros/cons, use. rec.scuba.locations Scuba travel, location questions. rec.scuba.misc Scuba topics not covered in other groups. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Nov 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Mike Zimmerman <zimmmt@aur.alcatel.com> Votetaker: Kenneth Herron <votetaker@f10.facts.uky.edu> RATIONALE: rec.scuba.equipment Approximately 20-25% of rec.scuba traffic is related to discussions about dive gear. This is the second most easily define-able subgroup. CHARTER: rec.scuba.equipment This group is for discussion of all topics related to scuba diving equipment: its purchase, its use, and for the sharing of experiences that others have had with it. Infrequent advertisements from private individuals are acceptable but commercial advertising is not. END CHARTER. RATIONALE: rec.scuba.locations Currently approximately 50% of rec.scuba traffic is related to dive travel, and questions about diving at certain locations. CHARTER: rec.scuba.locations The purpose of this group will be to exchange information (preferably first-hand) about dive sites, dive locations (including live-aboards), dive operations at these locations, how to get yourself and your gear there, and where to stay/ eat/play once you do. Commercial advertisements are not appropriate. END CHARTER. RATIONALE: rec.scuba.misc There are many other areas of discussion about scuba diving which do not have sufficient volume to break out into their own groups, or are not easily defined for the purpose of sub-division. These topics need a group. CHARTER: rec.scuba.misc This group is for discussion of all topics related to scuba diving which do not fall into any other defined newsgroup. (Note: this sentence is intended to be vague such that this charter need not change if the rec.scuba.* hierarchy ever expands). Commercial advertisements are not appropriate. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names. Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Then send via e-mail to: voting@f10.facts.uky.edu -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines -=-=-=-=-=- Rec.scuba reorganization Ballot <MLESR-01> (Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here-> If you do not give your real name, your vote may be voided after the close of voting. [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------- [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ ] CREATE rec.scuba.equipment [ ] CREATE rec.scuba.locations [ ] RENAME rec.scuba to rec.scuba.misc -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines -=-=-=-=-=- VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be posted separately to the following list: uw-photo@world.std.com From votetaker@f10.facts.uky.edu Mon Oct 30 08:31:08 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Kenneth Herron <votetaker@f10.facts.uky.edu> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,bit.listserv.scuba-l,rec.scuba,rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.cruises,rec.travel.europe Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.scuba.{equipment,locations,misc} Supersedes: <46969m$ed7@rodan.UU.NET> Followup-To: poster Date: 30 Oct 1995 13:31:03 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 132 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 11 Nov 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <472k2n$i1r@rodan.UU.NET> References: <46969m$ed7@rodan.UU.NET> Reply-To: <voting@f10.facts.uky.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.scuba.locations Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7779 news.groups:171889 bit.listserv.scuba-l:25590 rec.scuba:79606 rec.travel.asia:16999 rec.travel.cruises:14753 rec.travel.europe:42083 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.scuba.equipment unmoderated group rec.scuba.locations unmoderated group rec.scuba.misc (renames rec.scuba) Newsgroups lines: rec.scuba.equipment Scuba equipment, purchase, pros/cons, use.rec.scuba.locations Scuba travel, location questions.rec.scuba.miscScubatopics not covered in other groups. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Nov 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Mike Zimmerman <zimmmt@aur.alcatel.com> Votetaker: Kenneth Herron <votetaker@f10.facts.uky.edu> RATIONALE: rec.scuba.equipment Approximately 20-25% of rec.scuba traffic is related to discussions about dive gear. This is the second most easily define-able subgroup. CHARTER: rec.scuba.equipment This group is for discussion of all topics related to scuba diving equipment: its purchase, its use, and for the sharing of experiences that others have had with it. Infrequent advertisements from private individuals are acceptable but commercial advertising is not. END CHARTER. RATIONALE: rec.scuba.locations Currently approximately 50% of rec.scuba traffic is related to dive travel, and questions about diving at certain locations. CHARTER: rec.scuba.locations The purpose of this group will be to exchange information (preferably first-hand) about dive sites, dive locations (including live-aboards), dive operations at these locations, how to get yourself and your gear there, and where to stay/ eat/play once you do. Commercial advertisements are not appropriate. END CHARTER. RATIONALE: rec.scuba.misc There are many other areas of discussion about scuba diving which do not have sufficient volume to break out into their own groups, or are not easily defined for the purpose of sub-division. These topics need a group. CHARTER: rec.scuba.misc This group is for discussion of all topics related to scuba diving which do not fall into any other defined newsgroup. (Note: this sentence is intended to be vague such that this charter need not change if the rec.scuba.* hierarchy ever expands). Commercial advertisements are not appropriate. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names. Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Then send via e-mail to: voting@f10.facts.uky.edu -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines -=-=-=-=-=- Rec.scuba reorganization Ballot <MLESR-02> (Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here-> If you do not give your real name, your vote may be voided after the close of voting. [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------- [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ ] CREATE rec.scuba.equipment [ ] CREATE rec.scuba.locations [ ] RENAME rec.scuba to rec.scuba.misc -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines -=-=-=-=-=- VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be posted separately to the following list: uw-photo@world.std.com Rec.scuba reorganization Acknowledgement Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- peters@peters.apricot.mee.com Peter Smith From votetaker@f10.facts.uky.edu Tue Nov 14 08:58:22 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Kenneth Herron <votetaker@f10.facts.uky.edu> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,bit.listserv.scuba-l,rec.scuba,rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.cruises,rec.travel.europe Subject: RESULT: rec.scuba.{equipment,locations,misc} mixed results Supersedes: <472k2n$i1r@rodan.UU.NET> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 14 Nov 1995 08:58:18 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 339 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <816357493.23282@uunet.uu.net> References: <46969m$ed7@rodan.UU.NET> <472k2n$i1r@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.scuba.locations Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7876 news.groups:173935 bit.listserv.scuba-l:25897 rec.scuba:81635 rec.travel.asia:17727 rec.travel.cruises:15361 rec.travel.europe:43331 RESULT unmoderated group rec.scuba.equipment passes 185:53 unmoderated group rec.scuba.locations passes 195:47 unmoderated group rec.scuba.misc (renames rec.scuba) fails 163:81 Rec.scuba reorganization results - 253 valid votes Yes No | 2/3 >100 | Pass | Group ---- ---- | --- ---- | ---- | ------------------------------------------- 185 53 | Yes Yes | Yes | rec.scuba.equipment 195 47 | Yes Yes | Yes | rec.scuba.locations 163 81 | Yes No | No | rec.scuba.misc 4 invalid votes A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the passing groups shortly thereafter. The failing group may not be voted on again for six months. Newsgroups lines: rec.scuba.equipment Scuba equipment, purchase, pros/cons, use. rec.scuba.locations Scuba travel, location questions. rec.scuba.misc Scuba topics not covered in other groups. Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Nov 1995. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Mike Zimmerman <zimmmt@aur.alcatel.com> Votetaker: Kenneth Herron <votetaker@f10.facts.uky.edu> CHARTER: rec.scuba.equipment This group is for discussion of all topics related to scuba diving equipment: its purchase, its use, and for the sharing of experiences that others have had with it. Infrequent advertisements from private individuals are acceptable but commercial advertising is not. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.scuba.locations The purpose of this group will be to exchange information (preferably first-hand) about dive sites, dive locations (including live-aboards), dive operations at these locations, how to get yourself and your gear there, and where to stay/ eat/play once you do. Commercial advertisements are not appropriate. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.scuba.misc This group is for discussion of all topics related to scuba diving which do not fall into any other defined newsgroup. (Note: this sentence is intended to be vague such that this charter need not change if the rec.scuba.* hierarchy ever expands). Commercial advertisements are not appropriate. END CHARTER. Rec.scuba reorganization Final Voter list rec.scuba.misc -----+ rec.scuba.locations ----+| rec.scuba.equipment ---+|| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bull@highland.com.au Geoff Bull YYY stuartg@wormald.com.au Stuart Gordon YY- PRETALLICK@hoasy5.isd4.tafensw.EDU.AU Peter Retallick YYY D.Frank@unsw.edu.au Dave Frank NNN bourguet@muelec.fpms.ac.be Jean-Marc Bourguet NYY jan.coekelberghs@ping.be Jan Coekelberghs -NN rross@langara.bc.ca Ron Ross YYY Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca Charlie Gibbs YYY Don_Randall@mindlink.bc.ca Don Randall YYY ac447@freenet.carleton.ca Bill Woolley YYY kmitchel@direct.ca Kevin Mitchell NNN magnus@freenet.mb.ca S Magnusson YYY bremner@muff.cs.mcgill.ca David Bremner YYY mark@blas.cis.mcmaster.ca Mark Hollamby-Lane YYN bryanc@darwin.mbb.sfu.ca Bryan Crawford NNN pj@unixg.ubc.ca Peter J Johnston NNN lot@gmsg.ch Gabriel Lottaz YYY t241@herkules.zkb.ch Manfredo Ilardi YYY OREILLYM@CCRTR3.ABBOTT.COM Mike O'Reilly YYY zimmmt@aur.alcatel.com Mike Zimmerman YYY devuns@alsys.com Olivier Devuns NNN jzp80@juts.ccc.amdahl.com Jane Pook YYY Dillon.Pyron@amd.com Dillon Pyron NNN vgreene@amo.com Vincent Greene YYY Jim S.@aol.com Jim Stennett YYY jimrooney@aol.com JimRooney YYY JLenoxRob@aol.com John L Roberts YYY Kswisher@aol.com Ken Swisher YYY TLeeMay@aol.com Mr. Terry L. 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No name given DISTRIBUTION: In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be posted separately to the following list: uw-photo@world.std.com >> There are no rules on this newsgroup. The reference is a faq, not a >> set of rules. > > Uh huh. Whatever. Looking at the voters I see that Reef Fish, Gordon Gunn, Jason O/Rourke and Jammer are listed. Perhaps Dan., who knows all this anyway, would explain to them why that wasn't a Charter and "rules" they were voting on. By the way, I notice Jammer voted NNN.....ever the antagonist I see :^) > There are no rules on this newsgroup. The reference is a faq, not a > set of rules. There is a charter for this newsgroup, as there is for rec.scuba.equipment, the charter is the "rules". It is cited and replicated in the FAQ. It says: "Commercial advertisements are not appropriate." Argue away all you want as to what that means, but I doubt there are many more than you who don't understand it's intent. The fact that rec.scuba doesn't have a charter, or your "rules", doesn't equate to the lesser groups of the hierachy not having them either. > Why is putting an add about a trip that I am trying to put together > Spam? Because it's an [sic] add, dummy. X-Comments: This message was posted through <A href X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com Q: How do I report abuse issues? A: You may report newsgroup and Usenet abuse issues to abuse@newsfeeds.com. Please include the name of the group and the article ID when reporting abuse. We will do our best to remove the offending posts as soon as possible. Here is a copy of my e-mail reporting your blatant abuse: To: abuse@newsfeeds.com Subject: Abusive commercial advertising Dear abuse: Please note that one of your subscribers, posting through an bulletin board system at www.deeperblue.net, has violated the rec.scuba.location charter on an least two separate locations, by posting commercial advertisements. The offending posts are: <jason.1og7dz@forums.deeperblue.net> and <jason.1ojz9n@forums.deeperblue.net> Rather than simply terminate the account of this one user, I would draw your attention to the fact that there simply are no posts of redeeming value coming from the broader Deeper Blue bulletin board system and it our sincere hope that all such feeds from such an indirect system be terminated as well, as their users have proven to be unrepentant and totally reprehensible. Thank you for your assistance with this matter. Greg Mossman mossman@qnet.com "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Please note that one of your subscribers, posting through an bulletin board :system at www.deeperblue.net, has violated the rec.scuba.location charter on :an least two separate locations, by posting commercial advertisements. What charter? Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > What charter? CHARTER: rec.scuba.locations The purpose of this group will be to exchange information (preferably first-hand) about dive sites, dive locations (including live-aboards), dive operations at these locations, how to get yourself and your gear there, and where to stay/ eat/play once you do. Commercial advertisements are not appropriate. http://scifi.squawk.com/scuba.html That charter. And I notice I forgot the s on rec.scuba.locations. Damn. Wow, didn't expect that there would be all this fuss, did not intend to offend anybody! and as the person who seems to be most offended or a least most vocal is Greg I would like to appologise wholeheartedly for any offence caused to you! I would however like to say a few things:- Thanks Greg I have used the deeperblue forums before and not realy understood that I was also using news groups at the same time, haven't infact used news groups for about 7-8 years. I have now sorted out my newsfeed and have read all the stuff you posted. I have read the FAQs and the charter that you hold so dear. I note that this charter was last voted on in 1995 is that correct? Alot of what you have said stems around your belief that what I am doing is a commercial add. If by that you mean that I am opening the trip up to anybody that is interested then yes that is the case. If however you mean that I am doing it for profit then you are very much mistaken and I am prepared to prove it to you personally. I am simply trying to get a group of like minded divers and thier partners if they want, to go on a great trip to an area that I have been to many times and think is great for diving! If you read the web site you will note that all the web site actually does is ask that people 'register thier interest' if they have one. I am trying to guage if thier is enough interest to do the trip in Jan/Feb 2006. I am trying to do this in the same way a club might ask it's members, but since this trip is quite different I am trying a broarder approach. There seems to me to be a couple of issues the first of which seems to be some rivalry between the different newsgroups and the fact that deeperblue link directly into some of these news groups. The fact that they do increases the traffic they get and frankly makes it easier to take part. The rivalry I shall ignore!!! But they do not make the 'rules' or 'charter' immediatly obvious to those using the news groups through deeperblue. You said in your abuse report, quote" Rather than simply terminate the account of this one user, I would draw your attention to the fact that there simply are no posts of redeeming value coming from the broader Deeper Blue bulletin board system and it our sincere hope that all such feeds from such an indirect system be terminated as well, as their users have proven to be unrepentant and totally reprehensible." end quote. I presume that the "our" is a royal our and that you actually mean that it is your sincere hope etc etc. I also understand your generalisation about the deeperblue users, but is it realy the case that they are all "unrepentant and totally reprehensible"? It seems that ads such as mine are not always correctly catogorised as 'commercial' or 'non commercial' by some people and that it would seem sencible to have a subsection in some of these newsgroups for ads! Thereby removing the chance of offending people. maybe the time is right for this where it clearly wasn't in 1995! After all the world has moved on a whole lot since then. I have no intention to rant in this post so if it seems that way sorry! All I realy want to do is say "I've got a great idea for a trip to Bali and Lombok, anybody interested?" This just seemed the logical way to do it. Signaturejason Padi divemaster > didn't expect that there would be all this fuss, did not intend to > offend anybody! and as the person who seems to be most offended or a > least most vocal is Greg I would like to appologise wholeheartedly for > any offence caused to you! I would however like to say a few things:- I'm not offended, I'm irritated. Your "wholehearted apology" appears to be a bunch of excuses and rationale. > Thanks Greg I have used the deeperblue forums before and not realy > understood that I was also using news groups at the same time, haven't > infact used news groups for about 7-8 years. I have now sorted out my > newsfeed and have read all the stuff you posted. I have read the FAQs > and the charter that you hold so dear. I note that this charter was > last voted on in 1995 is that correct? And the Magna Carta dates from 1215. What's your point? > Alot of what you have said stems around your belief that what I am > doing is a commercial add. If by that you mean that I am opening the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > want, to go on a great trip to an area that I have been to many times > and think is great for diving! If you're not doing it for profit then you're even dumber than you look. But that still doesn't excuse your commercial advertisement. Since undoubtedly someone will be getting a free trip and/or commissions, can I have it since you obviously aren't getting it? > If you read the web site you will note that all the web site actually > does is ask that people 'register thier interest' if they have one. I > am trying to guage if thier is enough interest to do the trip in > Jan/Feb 2006. I am trying to do this in the same way a club might ask > it's members, but since this trip is quite different I am trying a > broarder approach. Sure. And some other joker used to see how much "interest" there would be in DIR-F classes. It was still spamming. This isn't a marketing test group for your own personal commercial gain. If you want to gauge interest, spend some money and do it the legitimate way. > There seems to me to be a couple of issues the first of which seems to > be some rivalry between the different newsgroups and the fact that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 'rules' or 'charter' immediatly obvious to those using the news groups > through deeperblue. I have no idea what deeper blue is. This is rec.scuba.locations. There's no rivalry between newsgroups as far as I know. And there's certainly no comparison between a newsgroup and deeper blue, whatever that is. > I presume that the "our" is a royal our and that you actually mean that > it is your sincere hope etc etc. I also understand your generalisation > about the deeperblue users, but is it realy the case that they are all > "unrepentant and totally reprehensible"? You're the Brit. We don't have royalty where we live. We means we. Me and the rest of the newsgroupers who share my views. > It seems that ads such as mine are not always correctly catogorised as > 'commercial' or 'non commercial' by some people and that it would seem > sencible to have a subsection in some of these newsgroups for ads! > Thereby removing the chance of offending people. maybe the time is > right for this where it clearly wasn't in 1995! After all the world has > moved on a whole lot since then. rec.scuba.locations.spam? I don't think so. Take your commercial crap off of this newsgroup. Period. > I have no intention to rant in this post so if it seems that way sorry! > All I realy want to do is say "I've got a great idea for a trip to Bali > and Lombok, anybody interested?" This just seemed the logical way to do > it. Logical for a nitwit. Are all Brits as dumb as you? > rec.scuba.locations.spam? I don't think so. Take your commercial crap off > of this newsgroup. Period. Wow, hell must of frozen over. I actually agree with you Greg. Great post :) LG >> rec.scuba.locations.spam? I don't think so. Take your commercial crap >> off >> of this newsgroup. Period. > > Wow, hell must of frozen over. I actually agree with you Greg. Great > post :) Spam is a bipartisan concern. > > There seems to me to be a couple of issues the first of which seems to > > be some rivalry between the different newsgroups and the fact that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > no rivalry between newsgroups as far as I know. And there's certainly no > comparison between a newsgroup and deeper blue, whatever that is. Deeperblue and Scubamonster are web forums that include usenet access. In other words, since they can't generate enough traffic on their own, they suck content from Usenet and post it to their web forum. > ? > ? I have no idea what deeper blue is. This is rec.scuba.locations. There's > ? no rivalry between newsgroups as far as I know. And there's certainly no > ? comparison between a newsgroup and deeper blue, whatever that is. > ? > > Deeperblue and Scubamonster are web forums that include usenet access. > In other words, since they can't generate enough traffic on their own, > they suck content from Usenet and post it to their web forum. When I'm at one of the downtown offices, if I decided to take a break and peak in at the shenanigans in rec.scuba and/or rec.scuba.locations, I do it from Deeper Blue. I don't ever post from there, but it's OK for reading. I've go no problem with those forums including the scuba ng's. > When I'm at one of the downtown offices, if I decided to take a break and > peak in at the shenanigans in rec.scuba and/or rec.scuba.locations, I do > it > from Deeper Blue. I don't ever post from there, but it's OK for reading. > > I've go no problem with those forums including the scuba ng's. So then how's about a compromise: let them read but not post to the newsgroups. All in favor, say aye. > > When I'm at one of the downtown offices, if I decided to take a break and > > peak in at the shenanigans in rec.scuba and/or rec.scuba.locations, I do [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So then how's about a compromise: let them read but not post to the > newsgroups. All in favor, say aye. You sure are a grumpy old fart lately. I can't see a problem. It isn't only Deeper Blue posters that have spammed here. > You sure are a grumpy old fart lately. Maybe I need a vacation. > I can't see a problem. It isn't only Deeper Blue posters that have > spammed > here. No, but it's a start. Who do you suggest we ban next? > > You sure are a grumpy old fart lately. > > Maybe I need a vacation. Yeah, I guess so. Those business trips don't seem to be good for you. > > I can't see a problem. It isn't only Deeper Blue posters that have > > spammed > > here. > > No, but it's a start. Who do you suggest we ban next? I have my ideas. |
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