cjtwantstok...@yahoo.com wrote:
> My wife, 6 year old son and I just returned from a one week stay at the
> Occidental Grand (Grand Cozumel) all inclusive resort. I wanted to
> write about our trip so that others can adjust their expectations so
> that their vacation could be a great one.
I'll chip in a few comments on certain aspects of your trip.
> Our trip started in Chicago boarding a United flight direct to Cozumel.
> Note that there is a 50 lb. Per bag weight limit on international
> flights. Overage will cost you $50. We were able to quickly remove a
> bag with some dive gear from a suitcase and get under the 50 lb. Limit.
> The flight was fine. United now sells lunches for $5 each on this
> flight. Beverages are still provided.
Not many are aware that Continental coach allows any Elite member to
have TWO pieces of checked luggage of 70 lb each, domestic or
international, in addition to generous carry-on allowance.
> Upon arrival at the airport and clearing immigration and customs, we
> were greeted by a man purporting himself to be a travel assistant. We
> quickly learned that he was promoting a time share village in Cancun.
> He did have some helpful tips about Cozumel though.
I refer to those "travel assistants" as "condo vultures".
> We read complaints about the smell of the water and they are true.
> Some days, the smell is worse than others. It is a sulfury smell and
> it can be very unpleasant.
"Don't Drink the Water" has been the operative phrase in Coz for years.
But I think you may be referring to the irrigation water.
> The drinks at the bar were very weak. We learned that the alcohol they
> served was half-strength. Yes, the brands they served (including
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> a few beers, Corona was on tap. Tipping the bartender didn't seem to
> help.
I find this surprising. i am not a drinker, but my impression is that
since cheap liquor <as the Vodkas you cited> are extra cheap in Mex,
bars and restaurants tend to make them stronger rather than weaker.
It could be just the "pool bar", to lessen the number of drowned
boozers.
> The meals seemed good at first because visually they are presented
> well. Taste, however, is another thing. One's opinion of the food
> will vary by your taste. If you like buffets then you will likely
> enjoy the food at the Grand. Overall, the food was similar to college
> cafeteria food that lacks flavor and quality. The Club Med resorts we
> visited were better than then Grand.
That's one of the penalties you pay for staying at any "All Inclusive".
> You'll either have to avoid or get used to the chipped dishes. I'm
> not sure what Occidental is thinking, but chipped dishes, cups and
> glasses were too common.
Mexican Chipped&Dale?
> Personally, our stay would of been fine had we only stayed 4 nights
> instead of 6. We will not return to this resort. There was
> insufficient value and the quality of the food and drinks was too poor.
Sounded like an understatement to me.
> There is no commercial business near the Grand. You'll have to take
> a taxi into town (for $17) or rent a car ($60 to $100 per day). There
> is a restaurant South along the beach - didn't look very
> promissing.
That's another reason for staying close to Down Town.
> My wife and I went diving one day with the Palancar Diving operation.
> We felt that they were a cattle car type operator. During my dive I
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> three (of the 12) people on the boat. He never asked for the names. I
> recommend finding another, smaller, operator.
"It's not the SIZE that counts." But you generally get better service
from 6-pak fast-boat operators.
> The dives were in very swift currents. My estimation is that the
> current ranged from 3 to 5 knots.
Probably 1-2 knots. :-) I can't imagine a cattle boat taking a large
group to a site with 3 knot current.
> While the visibility was good, the
> coral formations were dull and unimpressive. Marine life was sparse.
> My opinion is that you will be disappointed if you previously made
> dives in the South Pacific.
I've dived in the South Pacific. Cozumel hass reefs whose coral
formations and marine lives are just as exciting (ok, except for the
scarcity of large pelagics).
> During our trip home while waiting for our flight in the Cozumel
> airport, we found healthy competition among the merchants selling
> liquor and perfume. I recommend some price comparisons before making a
> purchase.
The best prices for liquor are those available at the Supermarkets.
For a litre of Khalua, the airport price may be $9-10 USD. At the
supermarket, I've seen it as low as $7 USD or less (Depending on
prevailing exchange rate).
> One other tip pertaining to taxis. Negotiate your fare before you or
> your luggage is in the cab since it can vary based upon the driver.
This is pretty much universal. Not limited to Cozumel. :-) The
Ft. Lauderdale cabbies are much worse about screwing passengers.
> I can recommend that you try some of the restaurants downtown- you'll
> find a significant difference in the flavor and quality of the food and
> drinks. Occidental needs to wake up.
Noe Schitt Sherlock!
-- Bob.
Jamie - 02 May 2005 21:35 GMT
ITA with Reef Fish - avoid all-inclusives and stay close to town. You'll
have a much more pleasant experience.
> cjtwantstok...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> My wife, 6 year old son and I just returned from a one week stay at
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>
> -- Bob.
Dan Bracuk - 03 May 2005 22:32 GMT
"Jamie" <jamstew@verizon.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:
:ITA with Reef Fish - avoid all-inclusives and stay close to town. You'll
:have a much more pleasant experience.
Not if you pick a good all-inclusive.
Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Reef Fish - 04 May 2005 11:27 GMT
> "Jamie" <jamstew@verizon.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
> :ITA with Reef Fish - avoid all-inclusives and stay close to town. You'll
> :have a much more pleasant experience.
>
> Not if you pick a good all-inclusive.
A "good all-inclusive" in Cozumel is an oxymoron.
Dan Bracuk - 04 May 2005 23:51 GMT
"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:A "good all-inclusive" in Cozumel is an oxymoron.
I've been to 3 different ones and enjoyed each of those vacations.
Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Reef Fish - 05 May 2005 00:02 GMT
> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his
> keyboard resulting in:
>
> :A "good all-inclusive" in Cozumel is an oxymoron.
>
> I've been to 3 different ones and enjoyed each of those vacations.
Would that make your a thrice oxydental<sic>-moron? :)
Dan Bracuk - 05 May 2005 00:28 GMT
"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:Would that make your a thrice oxydental<sic>-moron? :)
No, just a normal moron. Occidental was not one of the Cozumel All
Inclusives at which I stayed. I drove by it and read the trip report
that started this thread, and that's about it.
Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Reef Fish - 05 May 2005 13:41 GMT
> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his
> keyboard resulting in:
>
> :Would that make your a thrice oxydental<sic>-moron? :)
>
> No, just a normal moron.
No, you can only be a "normal deviate", a real oxymoron.
-- Bob.
Dan Bracuk - 06 May 2005 02:36 GMT
"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:No, you can only be a "normal deviate", a real oxymoron.
My statistical oxymoron is Standard Deviation. My favourite oxymorons
are here> http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/funny/oxymorons.htm
Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Reef Fish - 06 May 2005 18:19 GMT
> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his
> keyboard resulting in:
> :No, you can only be a "normal deviate", a real oxymoron.
>
> My statistical oxymoron is Standard Deviation. My favourite oxymorons
> are here> http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/funny/oxymorons.htm
Need update your oxymoron link. Missed many oldies including:
A 6-Ounce Pound Cake
Advanced BASIC
Airline Food
Baby Grand
Business Ethics
Cardinal Sin
Civil War
Classic Rock
Congressional Ethics
Death Benefits
Detailed Summary
Double Solitaire
Elementary Calculus
Federal Budget
Foreign National
Found Missing
Guest Host
Hell's Angels
Humble Opinion
Internet Security
Liquid Gas
Living Dead
Mandatory Elective
Microsoft Works
Mild Abrasive
Military Intelligence
Night Light
Old News
One-man band
Paid Volunteer
Perfect Idiot
Political Science
Postal Service
Reagan's Memoirs
Relaxation Exercise
Retired Worker
Student Teacher
Toll Free
Wireless Cable
la Poisson
Daniel Arrepas - 06 May 2005 20:22 GMT
> Need update your oxymoron link. Missed many oldies including:
> Microsoft Works
AH ha ha ha....love that!
nospam@all.please.net - 06 May 2005 23:37 GMT
> Classic Rock
The recent reunion of Cream was classic.
cjtwantstoknow@yahoo.com pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
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Thanks for sharing. Sorry your vacation didn't turn out as well as
you had hoped.
Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Mark Lindsey - 18 Jul 2005 02:34 GMT
Again, another one of the many reasons why I would never stay at an all
inclusive.
As one who has been there 10 times and was, until Hurricane Emily, supposed
to go back tomorrow, a couple of tongue and cheek observations:
USAir still allows 70 pounds and 62" of the L/W/D of the package.
I don't understand why you schlepped your gear to the street to save $23.
The vans are quick and efficient. The airport is a very long walk from
town. I am surprised you took the option of hoofing it.
Almost everyone that offers "travel assistance" or tourist information sells
timeshares or packages of things to do. When I meet them on the street, my
line is "vamos manana". I do it to the same person(s) every day until they
get the joke. After the 3rd or 4th day, they see me and tell me that I'm
vamoosing in the manana. They understand the humor.
There's just too many good places to eat and stay in CZM to stay at an all
inclusive. "Buffet", I am sure means in some language "take what we give
you". Ditto the all inclusive bars. It has to be paid for somehow. It
ain't free, but if it's all inclusive, you get what they give you.
A ground floor unit is never as quiet nor as dry as a an upper floor unit.
More people and the rules of being in the ground closer to the water
conspire to add to each problem.
The odd odor you were smelling was probably the wetlands area or what we all
use to call the swamp. It's occasionally full of brackish or stagnant
water, dead and live plants, fish, gators, and lizards. As it is the rainy
season, more of the water has no where to go.
More research before you went would have made your trip much more enjoyable.
Let's hope Cozumel makes it through Emily OK. Looks like they are due for a
near direct hit in a couple of hours.
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