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man - 16 Apr 2005 05:07 GMT i found this very cool website on diving in northern dominica...not an area many of us know about....i spent hours looking at all the video clips, and i must admit i'm pretty impressed with all the creatures and critters...
it also has literally thousands and photos of dominica, land and underwater...cool
check it out and dream of your next vacation
man - 16 Apr 2005 05:11 GMT > i found this very cool website on diving in northern dominica...not an > area many of us know about....i spent hours looking at all the video [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > check it out and dream of your next vacation whoops, i'm a fool !!!!!
the website was
http://www.liquidguru.com
that should help
Daniel Kessler - 16 Apr 2005 23:17 GMT is this some kind of scam. I've dived off Domenica -- yes... it is far better than the Dominican Republic but Dominica lies in that outer fringe of the Caribbean bordered by the Atlantic where the diving is weak.
> i found this very cool website on diving in northern dominica...not an area > many of us know about....i spent hours looking at all the video clips, and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > check it out and dream of your next vacation jack black - 18 Apr 2005 19:02 GMT hi,
i've been diving in dominica, and i found that the health of the reef there was unsupassed anywhere else in the caribbean....very very clean, the most abundant and colorful sponges i have ever seen anywhere
i was fortunate to see frogfish, seahorses, sand eels, flying gurnards, sting rays, eagle rays, turtles (both hawksbills and leatherbacks), octopus, plus many other critters (loads of puffers, eels and spotted drum)
granted there are not many big big schooling fish, but the macro stuff more than made up for it...
i checked out the liquidguru site and was amazed at everything they had on video and photos..
it made a very refreshing change to dive somewhere where polution and over-crowding do not exist, on an island filled with waterfalls, virgin rainforest and friendly people...i agrre with the first post that it realy was exotic diving in the caribbean
> is this some kind of scam. I've dived off Domenica -- yes... it is > far better than the Dominican Republic but Dominica lies in that outer [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> check it out and dream of your next vacation Daniel Kessler - 18 Apr 2005 19:28 GMT > hi, > > i've been diving in dominica, and i found that the health of the reef > there was unsupassed anywhere else in the caribbean. but your post does not indicate where else have you dived? So what are you comparing Dominca's reefs to? Have you been to Little Cayman, Belize, Bon Aire, etc.? When was the last time that you heard of any dive charters taking clients to explore Dominica's marvelous reefs, as you would have it. Eco-tourism is alive and well there with clients who might take an occasional dive to round out the trip. But Dominica is not a diving destination by any stretch.
the critters you mention are too small to make a meal and that's probably why they can still be found or can shimmy through the chicken wire enclosures that the locals have spread along the reef in so many locations in order to pillage the reef. Those locals have got to eat too!
Oh, you forget to note that the only reef they have is on the non-Atlantic side of the island, which means that 1/2 of the island is not diveable because of the prevailing strong surf and surges on the rough Atlantic side.
Kaj Maney - 25 Apr 2005 18:27 GMT My word, what alot of posotive and negative stuff.
i'm the owner of liquidguru, and i've spent four years diving in roatan and utila, i've also been diving in st lucia, antigua, thailand, st thomas, exmouth, galapogos, el salvdor, the med etc etc etc...
yes, dominica has it's problems with fish traps....at least it doesn't dynamite it's reefs or use cyanid....i chose to teach diving here becuase, for the caribbean, it has the healthiest reef i have seen (i mean reef, as in hard corals and sponges)...where i dive in the north (and we do dive in the atlantic, admittedly when weather permits) is pristine...we have had, for the last eight years, a group of scientist from the University of B.C. who come diving here looking for sponges for research into cancer, and they come here becuase the reef is so diverse and healthy...they say that a dive site called Toucari Caves has the most bio-diversity of any dive site they have been to in the world (and they dive everywhere) with the exception of PNG.
Now i understand that everyones idea of what a dive destination should offer varies. in my experience of diving with divers in dominica, the overwhelming majority of them found that diving here was a unique experience, in a good way...most experienced divers saw things they had never seen before in other destinations and they all enjoyed never seeing another group of divers in the water....
Dominica is one of the poorest countries anywhere. No commercialisation, big companies...what this means is that the population is very very poor, hence the fish traps....if more divers came, then more money would be spent and marine management could be enforced
i have no idea why dive charters do not come here. There are more than enough divesites up and down the caribbean side to satisfy any dive live- aboard boat for two weeks......
i do not know where you dived in Dominica, Daniel, and you obviously did not have a good time...that can happen anywhere in the world at any destination. I really beleive that Dominica offers very interesing diving....i do not own a diveshop here, i am just a very poorly paid instructor...i love living here because the island is so unique and because the diving keeps me excited, day in day out, which for me is the most important thing
oh yes, rodales regularily lists dominica as one of the top dive destinations in the world, in survey's which are based on divers votes.
Dan Bracuk - 25 Apr 2005 22:26 GMT "Kaj Maney via ScubaMonster.com" <forum@ScubaMonster.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:yes, dominica has it's problems with fish traps.... What sort of problems?
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Kaj Maney - 26 Apr 2005 02:21 GMT fish traps are the chicken wire enclosures that danial talks about.
basically the fish swim in and they can't swim out. the fishermen have a set of rules about the size of chicken wire used (which they usally stick to), the ammount of time they are allowed to leave the trap in the water, the position of the trap (it shouldn't rest on the reef) and the fact it should be marked...the last three points are rarely adhered to. it is always upsetting to me to run across fish traps on the reef..i wish there was more management, so that there were designated fishing ares, nursery areas and diving areas which would keep everyone happy, but due to both lack of money (therefore no way to enforce rules) and lack of comittment from the relevant authorities, this is unlikey to happen in the near future. this is a problem all over dominica, even in the official marine reserve in the south...i mean, how can you have a marine reserve and have fish traps in it??
the fish caught in the fish trap are usaully small, and typically consist of tang, puffers, snapper, eels (they go through the holes, eat a fish, then can't get out again), spotted drum, flounder, octopi....because the fish are so small they boil everything into a soup and called it 'fish water'...
again, the population is poor, and i cannot blame the locals for wanting to eat...however, proper marine managment would go a long way to encourage bigger fish back on to the reef, and therefore bigger catches in allowed fishing areas....i can but hope....
there is still a large amount of fish all over (or under) dominica..fish traps have been around for decades, and the fish populations haven't changed in the last ten years or so....but you will not see many big grouper in dominica, though you do get quite a few big snapper on the deeper dive sites
Daniel Kessler - 26 Apr 2005 15:17 GMT > the fish caught in the fish trap are usaully small, and typically consist > of tang, puffers, snapper, eels (they go through the holes, eat a fish, > then can't get out again), spotted drum, flounder, octopi....because the > fish are so small they boil everything into a soup and called it 'fish > water'... I got so angry that I took my diving knife and wrecked a few of these chicken wire enclosures. I just couldn't bear to see "my friends" inside there -- the small reef fish that wouldn't make a decent meal.
Kaj Maney - 26 Apr 2005 21:53 GMT the only trouble with wrecking the local's fish traps (and i would love to wreck them all) is that the locals will go upto our boats at night and wreck our boat engines !!!! no matter how much i love "my friends", they are not worth US$6,000 for a new outboard !!! education is the way forward
if we were really concerned for the oceans we would try and limit the big commerical fisheries. It is not the few local fishermen who are ruining things, it is the massive commercial operations that are raping the seas...to read about big fish stocks being down over 90% over the last 15 years, cod facing extinction in the north seas, trawlers destroying every square foot of the ocean beds....
Daniel Kessler - 26 Apr 2005 15:12 GMT > i do not know where you dived in Dominica, Daniel, and you obviously did > not have a good time... I had my own dive charter escorted by an experienced operator of the Cadaquez, a dive charter boat which came down from Guadelope, and the skipper was a Frenchman who name was "Danny" -- he knew these reefs and sites that he kept fairly garded, that was his reputation at the time --- we stopped at the "Saints" (small islands in between Dominica and Guadelope) and then dived all the way down the west coast -- starting at the Northern tip of Dominica. I recall one dive where the reef started at a fairly shallow depth that descended in an arc like a large arena into the depths. The site would have been wonderful if it had any fish life of consequence or any large creatures, rays, turtles or sharks patrolling about -- but there were none. It is not normally the custom in the Caribbean to find a reef like that which begins in such a shallow depth. Usually, the reef wall begins at about 40 - 60 feet. I mean, Little Cayman is famous for a reef wall that begins in about 6 meters and plunges vertically thousands of feet into the depths and is "undercut in places" in a dramatic way with huge sponges festooning the wall. Such sites are rare in the Caribbean. Palau has that in spades along with incredible u/w fauna that puts the Caribbean to shame.
> that can happen anywhere in the world at any > destination. I really beleive that Dominica offers very interesing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > oh yes, rodales regularily lists dominica as one of the top dive > destinations in the world, in survey's which are based on divers votes. Kaj Maney - 26 Apr 2005 22:01 GMT you are right, it would be lovely to have bigger fish on all the reefs...
all i can say is that, from talking to sail boats who have been diving up and down the eastern caribbean, they all say that their favourtie diving was in dominica...i have had many divers who have dived all over the owrld who also say the same thing...now, we are all different people, and enjoy different things in life, so i think it's safe to say that dominica suits some and not others...
i spent four years diving in roatan, in the western caribbean, and that island is surrounded by reef, starting from the surface and going way way down....the reef was full of overhangs, underhangs, canyons, caves, swim- thrus....not quite as a healthy reef as here, but very very beautiful...if you enjoyed little cayman, i would highly recommend roatan, not only is it very good diving, it is also probably the best value diving in the world (10 dives for US$150)...chances to see whale sharks and dolphins, no crowds, especially if you aviod the big resorts (AKR) and stay in the West End, where you can get fantastic accomodation for around US$40 a night...
Daniel Kessler - 27 Apr 2005 14:32 GMT I've already dived Roatan. But the best of the Caribbean diving for me is Little Cayman and Belize.
But speaking of those comm'l fishing nets that stretch for miles -- it was on last night's BBC World that the Albatross is nearing extinction thanks to these nets. When they see all of those fish flopping about on the nets caught in the sea, they dive into the nets to have a meal and are caught in the nets and drowned by the thousands. I recall on my Galapagos trip being just a couple of feet away from a nesting Albatross -- what a lovely bird. It really breaks my heart to think of thousands of them being destroyed. Also, these nets are killing of so much of the fish life that the albatrosses have nothing to eat.
> you are right, it would be lovely to have bigger fish on all the reefs... > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.scubamonster.com Dan Bracuk - 27 Apr 2005 23:01 GMT Daniel Kessler <dkessler@pop.cybernex.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:I've already dived Roatan. But the best of the Caribbean diving for me is :Little Cayman and Belize. I am contemplating a trip to Little Cayman later this year. Where have you stayed? What did you like and dislike about these places?
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Reef Fish - 28 Apr 2005 01:32 GMT > Daniel Kessler <dkessler@pop.cybernex.net> pounded away at his > keyboard resulting in: > :I've already dived Roatan. But the best of the Caribbean diving for me is > :Little Cayman and Belize. I tend to agree, as far as Aggressor or Peter Hughes liveaboard Caribbean locations are concerned, and I would insert Turks&Caicos in the middle and Bay Islands (Roatan) at the far low end.
> I am contemplating a trip to Little Cayman later this year. Where > have you stayed? What did you like and dislike about these places? > > Dan Bracuk Dan, since Patty dives, why consider anything other than the Cayman Aggressor? I've been on it (to include Little Cayman) every year since 1991, except 1995 (Little Cayman Divers II: disaster), through 2004. That's enough Little Cayman for me, but I would recommend the Cayman Aggressor to everyone. Those hen-pecked by non-diving wives can leave them at home, or let them be your dive-gear cooley. :-)
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Daniel Arrepas - 28 Apr 2005 02:13 GMT > Dan, since Patty dives, why consider anything other than the Cayman > Aggressor? I've been on it (to include Little Cayman) every year > since 1991, except 1995 (Little Cayman Divers II: disaster), through > 2004. That's enough Little Cayman for me, but I would recommend the > Cayman Aggressor to everyone. Those hen-pecked by non-diving wives > can leave them at home, or let them be your dive-gear cooley. :-) I would disagree. Dan, I think at least once you have to enjoy and bask in the ambiance and quintessential Caribbean experience of Southern Cross Club or Pirates Point. There are precious few Caribbean dive locations where that is still evident. I'm almost exclusively a liveaboard man, but I do recommend LC from a resort. I haven't been to the other 3 resorts on LC so I cannot comment on them.
SCC and PP are steeped in old Caribbean, from the days when fishermen visited the island....not divers.
Dan Bracuk - 29 Apr 2005 02:32 GMT "Daniel Arrepas" <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:I would disagree. Dan, I think at least once you have to enjoy and bask in :the ambiance and quintessential Caribbean experience of Southern Cross Club :or Pirates Point. Pirate's Point looks nice. Do they have a book exchange?
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Daniel Kessler - 29 Apr 2005 14:18 GMT someone once described "Pirate's Point" as like a Baptist camp with diving? Rather spartan, it was said.
> "Daniel Arrepas" <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> pounded away at > his keyboard resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Daniel Arrepas - 29 Apr 2005 21:29 GMT > someone once described "Pirate's Point" as like a Baptist camp with > diving? Rather > spartan, it was said. If you stayed at Gladys Howard's lodge you stayed at Pirates Point is it. Same, Galdys, same bungalos, same main house, same property, has been Pirates Point for as long as I can remember.
Don't you remember being there?
Daniel Kessler - 29 Apr 2005 21:42 GMT You're right...there was another resort on Little Cayman that was referred to as a Baptist Camp with divers...now which one was it? There are only a few.
> > someone once described "Pirate's Point" as like a Baptist camp with > > diving? Rather [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Don't you remember being there? Daniel Arrepas - 29 Apr 2005 21:57 GMT > You're right...there was another resort on Little Cayman that was referred > to > as a Baptist Camp with divers...now which one was it? There are only a > few. Sounds like Don's Habitat back in the 70's (*that* was spartan), but as far as Little Cayman goes I don't know. Pirates Point and Southern Cross Club are the only ones I've been to. In the old days there was a third, which was more a fishing lodge than diving resort, but I never stayed and don't recall the name. Now there is a bigger place called Beach Club or something as well as a couple condo resorts.
I think the family that owns Brac Reef owns Beach Club.
Steve - 29 Apr 2005 22:41 GMT > In the old days there was a third, which was > more a fishing lodge than diving resort, Sam McCoy's. It was still there as of a few years ago.
> Now there is a bigger place called Beach Club or something as well > as a couple condo resorts. > > I think the family that owns Brac Reef owns Beach Club. LC Beach Resort. That, Brac Reef and a bunch of other stuff are owned by the Tibbetts family. LCBR is a bit nicer than some of the other places, but perhaps with slightly less charm. OTOH, they run 3 boat dives a day, and that's what most people are here for.
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Daniel Arrepas - 29 Apr 2005 23:06 GMT >> In the old days there was a third, which was more a fishing lodge than >> diving resort, > > Sam McCoy's. There ya go, yeah. It's on the North side of the island. Pretty rustic if I remember correctly, but I just did a walk-thru....never stayed there.
I wonder if this was the place Dan K was talking about?
Daniel Kessler - 30 Apr 2005 02:15 GMT Yes, that's it, Sam McCoys. Sorry, but my last trip to Little Cayman was in 1988. I guess I'm getting a little "rusty" with my memory, except for Gladys at Pirate's Point who was larger than life. Hard to forget her! My first experience at diving Little Cayman was an earlier trip to Cayman Brac and the dive boat ventured over to Little Cayman one day and the crossing was fairly rough and I thought then, "next time I'll just book Little Cayman."
> >> In the old days there was a third, which was more a fishing lodge than > >> diving resort, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I wonder if this was the place Dan K was talking about? Daniel Arrepas - 01 May 2005 02:41 GMT > Yes, that's it, Sam McCoys. Sorry, but my last trip to Little Cayman was > in > 1988. I know how it gets. A friend over for dinner recently, asked how many times I had been to Galapagos and when I answered, my oldest daughter had to correct me because I had forgotten one trip.
By the way, a few weeks ago I did a week at Wakatobi again, and am still amazed at the critter ops there. It was gorgeous, maybe some of the best reef diving I have seen anywhere...though Raja Ampat under the overhangs is still the ultimate in my book.
Have you done Wakatobi before and if so, what did you think of it?
Daniel Kessler - 01 May 2005 14:07 GMT well, lucky you! I have yet to set foot on Wakatobi. When the Wakatobi resort first appeared on anyone's radar screen, it took three days to get there from Ujung Pandang (I've been there twice when transiting to Manado). But then, they shortened the journey of the many ferries by a small plane, I was told. But then something went wrong at Wakatobi for a time -- according to my dive travel agent -- ran out of food with guests stranded and had to eat any chocolates they had brought along to make it through. I hear the wall there is great and would love to see it. But has the resort management worked out all the kinks?
> > Yes, that's it, Sam McCoys. Sorry, but my last trip to Little Cayman was > > in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Have you done Wakatobi before and if so, what did you think of it? Chris Pflaum - 01 May 2005 18:28 GMT Wall diving at Wakatobi? I thought that it was all reef.
> well, lucky you! I have yet to set foot on Wakatobi. When the Wakatobi > resort [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> Have you done Wakatobi before and if so, what did you think of it? Daniel Arrepas - 01 May 2005 23:59 GMT > Wall diving at Wakatobi? I thought that it was all reef. Reef and criiters is the draw as well as the claim to fame, but there are some distant drop-offs they will visit on occasion. But the critters are a very compelling group of subjects and it is hard to pass on the reef diving. Kind of like the first time one ever shot anemonefish, you just can't stop going back and shooting them more.
Daniel Kessler - 02 May 2005 03:20 GMT as soon as the stock market turns around, I'll be thinking of heading off to Wakatobi -- but I'm not going to hold my breath.
> > Wall diving at Wakatobi? I thought that it was all reef. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Kind of like the first time one ever shot anemonefish, you just can't stop > going back and shooting them more. Daniel Arrepas - 02 May 2005 15:05 GMT > as soon as the stock market turns around, I'll be thinking of heading off > to > Wakatobi -- but I'm not going to hold my breath. As you know Wakatobi itself is about the cost of a week on a liveaboard. The flights to Bali are what get a bit much because I am too tall to travel that far in coach, but both Malaysia Air and Singapore Air offer BC for 120,000 miles. That's how I made Bali last time, and the stopover in Kuala Lumpur was an added gift (I like that city).
I'm of to PNG in a few months for a couple weeks on Star Dancer (the new itinerary along the south coast of New Britain in the Solomon Sea) and have copped miles seats on Singapore Air for the same amount. The connection city (for Air Nugini) is of course, Singapore, which is another city I enjoy when possible.
Considering that Continental wanted 200,000 miles LA/Guam/Cairns....and Quanta wants 200,000 miles LA/Sydney/Cairns.....that's a pretty good deal. And incredibly, Nugini charges are only a very slight increase from Singapore to Pt Moresby, over what they are Cairns to Pt Moresby. Strange, and you probably know this well, but anything in or thru Australia can be really extreme in cost from the US.
Daniel Kessler - 03 May 2005 15:05 GMT I've always had a good time in K.L. -- on my way to dive somewhere or other. They have some nice restaurants there and the food is very tasty. They have the most beautiful trees lining the road in from the airport -- I wonder what they are? A taxi driver told me he thought that they were imported from the Philippines.
> > as soon as the stock market turns around, I'll be thinking of heading off > > to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > and you probably know this well, but anything in or thru Australia can be > really extreme in cost from the US. Daniel Arrepas - 03 May 2005 16:02 GMT > most beautiful trees lining the road in from the airport -- I wonder what > they > are? A taxi driver told me he thought that they were imported from the > Philippines. I didn't know that. I need to look into it. KLIA was built in the middle of one of the oldest virgin rain forests on the planet. I know that they transplanted some million or so trees/bushes/shrubs that were moved for construction, but all came from the same forest. It seems strange to me that they would transplant non-native trees into this forest or surrounding area.
But I can't imagine the taxi driver didn't know what he was talking about.
Daniel Kessler - 04 May 2005 14:28 GMT I guess I'm one of those people who likes to hug trees when he is not diving!
The matter of transporting trees from one region to another is not that unusual. Sir Stafford Raffles founded an exotic tree park in the city of Bogur (about an hour's drive from Jakarta on the only 4-lane freeway in Indonesia and once a 'summer capital' for the Dutch who wanted to get away from the heat).
At the time, Sir Stafford Raffles said "bring me trees from every part of the tropical world." You have trees from Colombia, South America, Madagascar, the Philippines, Sri Lanke and other parts of Indonesia and other parts of Southeast Asia, Australia and New Guinea.
If you ever wind up in Jakarta (as I have and waiting a flight out in a day or two) don't miss the Garden of trees in Bogur. I hired a car and driver for the day's outing. Every tree is marked with a plaque and since they were planted so long ago, some of them tower up to 200 feet or more in this fantastic garden. Beneath the 'forest' canopy, the snake-like trunks of some of them are immense! The tropical trees you see in this "paradise garden" are truly "jaw-dropping" in their magnificence and brought in from all over the world's tropical forests. Bogur, like so many cities in Indonesia is clamoring with traffic but once you go beyond the gates into this sanctuary - it is startling. You've entered into another, almost silent world!
> > most beautiful trees lining the road in from the airport -- I wonder what > > they [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > But I can't imagine the taxi driver didn't know what he was talking about. Daniel Arrepas - 01 May 2005 23:54 GMT > well, lucky you! I have yet to set foot on Wakatobi. When the Wakatobi > resort [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > they shortened the journey of the many ferries by a small plane, I was > told. Yes, that's right. My first trip was pre-airfield, so we were transported on the ferries and the final two legs were small boats. Now you go to Bali and meet a quite nice Fokker and are flown in. Roughly 3 hours from Bali. Obviously a much better way.
> But then something went wrong at Wakatobi for a time -- according to my > dive [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > all > the kinks? My take is this. They do as well as possible for the remote locale they are. For a dive resort it is plenty nice enough, and the bungalows are now air-conditioned since they have upgraded the "power grid" (generators). The ones on the beach are particularly nice. Food wasn't a problem, and now with weekly air service I doubt it ever will be again. But having made the trip on the ferries I can see where perishables could have been a problem a few years back.
I hadn't heard of the problem you talk about, but if the seas were not cooperating and the boats and ferries couldn't run, it isn't hard to see that stranded people and lessening stores could become a major problem. It is out there a bit.
The dive op is superb and really set up for photogs. The wide angle stuff was nice because of the beautiful backgrounds possible, but I thought the reef and critters were the real jewel. I plan on returning for another week sometime soon.
Daniel Arrepas - 29 Apr 2005 21:44 GMT > "Daniel Arrepas" <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> pounded away at > his keyboard resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Pirate's Point looks nice. Do they have a book exchange? When last there, yes. In fact there was a small one in my bungalow. I would say that Southern Cross Club is a bit nicer, neither being real spiffy, but I enjoy both properties and would have no problem at either. Be aware the bugalows have no phone or TV, if that matters, but there is both in the bar.
It's real quiet there. A world away from Grand Cayman resorts and cacaphony. And the diving is a universe apart from the mess GC has become.
Unless you are expecting polished brass and hardwood doors I think you will find PP as charming as most people do, and the diving quite good and spectacular at times.
Reef Fish - 01 May 2005 05:03 GMT > > Dan, since Patty dives, why consider anything other than the Cayman > > Aggressor? I've been on it (to include Little Cayman) every year [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > or Pirates Point. There are precious few Caribbean dive locations where that > is still evident. In other posts, you were comparing Little Cayman with the cocophony of NOISE in Grand Cayman -- a rather pointless point to make when you're trying to tell me that you disagree with my recommendation of the Cayman Aggressor to everyone who likes to dive LITTLE Cayman.
My detailed logs of the 13 trips to Little Cayman recorded on average about 16 dives in LCM within the week EXcluding dives in Grand Cayman and Cayman Brac. The dive sites included just about every one of the sites on Bloody Bay Wall and Jackson Wall.
So what do you disagree? The CA (in my 13 trips after 1990) dived the BEST North Wall sites in GCM, the BEST sites in LCM, and Cayman Brac since 1996.
Tell us what dive SITES in LCM you have dived while land based that you think are better than the once dived by the Cayman Aggressor in Little Cayman.
> I'm almost exclusively a liveaboard man, In Indonesia? It's highly doubtful you dived many liveaboards in the Caribbean judging from what you said in this and other posts.
> but I do recommend LC from a resort. You have not substantiated or given reason (rather than your inappropriate comparison with Grand Cayman diving). You sound like someone too old and decrepid to dive more than 2 dives a day, which would make the Cayman Aggressor not as good a choice as your ambience resort in which you could booze all day and after a few boozes, everything looks "quintessential".
Just curious, WHICH of the sites in Bloody Bay Wall have you EVER dived? I mean NAME the cites, and I'll see what credibility you have about DIVING there.
-- Bob.
Dan Bracuk - 28 Apr 2005 03:01 GMT "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Dan, since Patty dives, why consider anything other than the Cayman :Aggressor? Not ruling that out at all. It's a matter of starting with many options and narrowing it down to one.
Furthermore, to be absolutely illogical, irrational, and irresponsible, all of which are quite delightful, I've been on the Agressor but have never been to Little Cayman.
Not everything has to make sense.
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Reef Fish - 28 Apr 2005 03:43 GMT > "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his > keyboard resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > irresponsible, all of which are quite delightful, I've been on the > Agressor but have never been to Little Cayman. That means you were on it during those Fall/Winter months when the CA typically skip the crossing because of rough seas.
> Not everything has to make sense. The ONLY year (out of 15) that I was on the Agressor that did NOT go to Little Cayman was my first, in 1990. I learned my lesson then and there, from Wayne Hasson himself who was one of the three captains that week in December. :-)
-- Bob.
Dan Bracuk - 29 Apr 2005 02:29 GMT "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:That means you were on it during those Fall/Winter months when :the CA typically skip the crossing because of rough seas. late March, 1990.
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Daniel Kessler - 28 Apr 2005 21:13 GMT I stayed with Gladys Howard's lodge. Is it still there? She tries or did try very hard to serve some nice meals around various themes. She had individual bungalos and a main house where meals were served. At that time she had a stupid rule and immediately told guests on arrival about certain depth limitations she would not allow her dive master escorting her diving guests. At first I was annoyed, but then her dive masters paid no attention to her rule and neither did I.
You know, with that Little Cayman wall starting in such shallow water, it would be easy to lose track of depths and maybe she had a point and some divers could get into trouble -- I suppose.. But I was a very experienced diver at the time and knew what not to do and did not get easily narked and watched my guage.
So at the end of the day, I did my usual diving profile and got in my u/w photography.
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