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Scuba Forum / Scuba Locations / December 2004Costa Rica Dive Boat Recommendations wanted
I will be in Peninsula Papagayo Guanacaste, Costa Rica in May, any recommendations for dive boats and dive shops? Is there any shore diving? > I will be in Peninsula Papagayo Guanacaste, Costa Rica in May, any > recommendations for dive boats and dive shops? Is there any shore diving? There is no real shore diving. All is from boats to my knowledge. We dove out Playa del Cocco. I would NOT reccomend Rich Coast Diving. See my previous post about them last week. If an business tries to change you extra to use your credit card tell them to stuff it and either accept it you will file a complaint. This is what Rich Coast did to us. Besides offer us a "Package" that was not that. I would reccomend staying a Hotel Villa Flores in Cocca. Great place. Cheers, Allen >> I will be in Peninsula Papagayo Guanacaste, Costa Rica in May, any >> recommendations for dive boats and dive shops? Is there any shore >diving? > >There is no real shore diving. All is from boats to my knowledge. We >dove out Playa del Cocco. <snip>. If an business tries to change >you extra to use your credit card tell them to stuff it and either >accept it you will file a complaint. <snip> In the US, businesses are not allowed to charge extra to use a credit card because that it their agreement with the credit card companies. It costs them more, but they have to absorb the extra cost to take the cards. Increased volume of business makes up for the cost. You used to sometimes see instead a discount for using cash especially at gas stations, but I don't see that so much anymore. Outside of the US there is no such agreement and merchants do not see why they should not pass on this cost to the customer who wants to use the card. They don't have credit card sales from their local customers so they can't make the cost up in volume. Most of the time I have been warned in advance that there would be an extra charge for the credit card. In some cases the merchant will take a personal check for no charge, but not a credit card. In any case, filing a complaint would have no effect, since they are perfectly free to charge what they want. Your attitude leads me to want to take the side of any business that you have dealt with. >I would reccomend staying a Hotel Villa Flores in Cocca. Great place. >Cheers, > >Allen grandma Rosalie > <snip>. If an business tries to change > >you extra to use your credit card tell them to stuff it and either > >accept it you will file a complaint. <snip> First of all, they usually DON'T tell customers about the "surcharge". Second, you won't have the opportunity to tell anyone to stuff it except to yourself when you complain to you credit company after you received your bill. Gramma explained (partly) why: > In the US, businesses are not allowed to charge extra to use a credit > card because that it their agreement with the credit card companies. > Outside of the US there is no such agreement and merchants do not see > why they should not pass on this cost to the customer who wants to use > the card. Actually, the cost is the SAME to the business establishment. It has to charge the amount (hotel bill, e.g.) in LOCAL currency (which is guaranteed by the hotel. The SURCHARGE is imposed by YOUR CREDIT CARD company (Chase VISA, e.g.). It's a FIXED precent (2% I think) when foreign exchange is involved. If the "extra charge" was left to the merchant, you can bet your life it would exceed 2% most, if not all, of the time. The practice varies a great deal by the CREDIT CARD COMPANIES. Some don't have surcharges on foreign purchases. Read the CONTRACT between the credit card company and yourself. > Most of the time > I have been warned in advance that there would be an extra charge for > the credit card. By the credit card company, in the fineprints of your CONTRACT. I have never been warned by any merchant about the surcharge. Of course, after a time or two of the surcharge, I always pay my foreign purchases in cash, unless the cost of money exchange exceeded the cost of the surcharge. > In some cases the merchant will take a personal > check for no charge, but not a credit card. Yeah, but at what exchange rate? In Cozumel, it's common for the merchants to charge $1 USD for an item that costs 10 pesos, when the onging exchange rate (at banks or exchange booths) is 11 pesos to a dollar. So, by accepting your US personal check, the merchant may be effectively charging you 10% EXTRA. > In any case, filing a complaint would have no effect, since they are > perfectly free to charge what they want. Your attitude leads me to > want to take the side of any business that you have dealt with. Likewise. That's how Americans get their label "Ugly Americans". If you are travelling to foreign countries, first learn the RULES. Then heed the adage, Caviat Emptor (Let the Buyer Beware). > grandma Rosalie -- Bob. >> Outside of the US there is no such agreement and merchants do not see >> why they should not pass on this cost to the customer who wants to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >If the "extra charge" was left to the merchant, you can bet your life >it would exceed 2% most, if not all, of the time. oh, boy, Bob. The merchant charge has nothing to do with the 1-2% exchange rate surcharge when a customer uses their credit card in a foreign country. It is the fee they pay to the bank for the service. A high volume site like a grocery store might pay as little as 1%, but most pay 2-3%. Amex charges as high as 5%. It wouldn't suprise me to hear that small hotels in central America get hit that badly too. That's why you can get miles for using your credit card, or a 1% dividend, or some other rewards program. That's also why department stores would prefer you use their charge card instead of visa or MC. The member banks make money on high chargers, even if they pay the balance in full every month.  SignatureJason O'Rourke www.jor.com > >> Outside of the US there is no such agreement and merchants do not see > >> why they should not pass on this cost to the customer who wants to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > wouldn't suprise me to hear that small hotels in central America get hit that > badly too. Bob spends too much time on liveaboards and cruises to know what may happen when you try to use a credit card at a restaurant in Central America. (snip) > > >> Outside of the US there is no such agreement and merchants do not see > > >> why they should not pass on this cost to the customer who wants to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > that > > badly too. I have just finished my follow-up on Jason. > Bob spends too much time on liveaboards and cruises to know what may happen > when you try to use a credit card at a restaurant in Central America. > > (snip) Bob flies at least 50,000 miles a year to countries all over the world that are NOT part of any liveaboard or cruises, and another 50,000 miles a year to locations that are FOREIGN. Central America (or Belize in particular) is NOT the world, chilly, as you seem to think. chilly once compared the cost of DIVING in Bora Bora to the third world diving cost, without the least idea that it cost about $130 USD for a two-tank dive in Bora Bora, and the folks there are not exactly third-world. ;-) I am in Raiatea now, where the cost of a two tank dive is about $120 USD, and the cost of a canned coke is $1.50, a pringle-potato chip is $4, etc., all about three times the cost in the "first world" USA! :-))) Get a life, chilly. -- Bob. -- Bob. (sni)> > Bob spends too much time on liveaboards and cruises to know what may > happen > > when you try to use a credit card at a restaurant in Central America. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that are NOT part of any liveaboard or cruises, and another 50,000 > miles a year to locations that are FOREIGN. Um, hmm, to get on a liveaboard. > Central America (or Belize in particular) is NOT the world, chilly, > as you seem to think. Hardly. > chilly once compared the cost of DIVING in Bora Bora to the third > world diving cost, without the least idea that it cost about $130 USD > for a two-tank dive in Bora Bora, and the folks there are not exactly > third-world. ;-) I believe you've made an error. Cite. > I am in Raiatea now, where the cost of a two tank dive is about $120 > USD, and the cost of a canned coke is $1.50, a pringle-potato chip > is $4, etc., all about three times the cost in the "first world" > USA! :-))) Quite right. Have fun. > Get a life, chilly. Don't worry about me. I'm off for yet another dive trip, only 3 weeks this time though. And it's not to Belize. Also, I won't be paying anywhere near $120-130 for two tanks though, since there's no need. > >> Outside of the US there is no such agreement and merchants do not see > >> why they should not pass on this cost to the customer who wants to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The merchant charge has nothing to do with the 1-2% exchange rate surcharge > when a customer uses their credit card in a foreign country. That's what I was speaking of, the surcharge -- see SUBJECT. You over-simplified the matter in the NON-surcharge amount. > It is the fee > they pay to the bank for the service. A high volume site like a grocery store > might pay as little as 1%, but most pay 2-3%. True, but they are NOT supposed to charge this amount to the customer! It's what the merchants pay for the CONVENIENCE of being able to let the customers use credit cards, for THEIR OWN benefit, because they may lose the sale if they don't take credit cards. I know this for a FACT. One of my brother-in-laws owns a car-dealership. It cost him between 1-2% to allow customers to charge on VISA, Mastercard, and AMEX. He EATS that cost himself. > Amex charges as high as 5%. That's because the Amex re-bate card rebates up to 5% on charged purchases. But when I use THAT card for domestic or foreign charges, THEY pay whatever Amex charges them, which does NOT depend on the % rebate the Amex customer gets. > That's why you can get miles for using your credit card, or a 1% dividend, or > some other rewards program. Actually it works out to MORE than 2% dividend in many cases of my air-travel in which my CO Chase VISA pays me 1 FFM for each $ charged. For that part, it does come to 2% because if I pay $1000 for a rdtrip ticket to Hong Kong (as I'll do in a week or so), I get 1000 FFM from Chase, which has a nominal $-equivalent of $20 USD -- so that comes to TWO percent already. But that's only the tip of the iceberg of FFMs. For the 18,000 rdtrip flight, I get 18,000 FFM plus 125% bonus for being a Platinum member of CO. That makes it 40,500 FFMs. I get another 1000 bonus miles for booking on the CO webpage. I get more bonus (for the SAME flight) for staying at a Hilton or Conrad. :-) The 41,500+ FFM is worth the equivalent of $830+ USD already. Now add the $20 from Chase VISA, my Hong Kong roundtrip flight costs less than $150, in net USD amount. I have taken long-distant flights in which the costs of the ticket were LESS than the worth of the FFMs! I documented one of those cases in rec.travel.air -- a roundtrip from ATL to Honolulu was $306 on CO. The FFMs came to more than $400 USD in value. The economics of banks or anyone else giving Frequent Flyer Miles is for them to promote their OWN business. They cannot (as in CO airlines) or in my foreign stays in Hiltons pass their own cost of promotion of their own business back to the customer (myself). That's the REALITY of credit card charges and FFM incentives. > That's also why department stores would prefer you use > their charge card instead of visa or MC. Precisely. The REAL cost is less to the department stores to have customers use their own store charge cards than they would have to pay VISA or MC. > The member banks make money on high > chargers, even if they pay the balance in full every month. That depends on the bank, the card, and what they actually charge. There are no universal standards in this matter, foreign or domestic. For some banks/cards, the customers who pay the balances in full every month effectively gets their "free loan" over the days of the charge, are considered "non-profitable" customers in SOME (not all) VISA and MC cards -- I know this for a fact because one of my former Chicago Business School MBA students did a statistical study, based on real data (he worked in the credit department of a large credit-card bank) on how best to use the credit-card application information to perform a "discriminant analysis" in allocating the PROFITABLE customers, UNPROFITABLE ones, and the LOSING (likely delinquent) customers. But here we are beginning to get from Credit Card 101 to Credit Card 601 or 801. ;) -- Bob. >> It is the fee >> they pay to the bank for the service. A high volume site like a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >the customers use credit cards, for THEIR OWN benefit, because they >may lose the sale if they don't take credit cards. as Rosalie wrote, this is the story within the US, but I don't believe it is the case elsewhere. Doesn't really matter anyhow - there's no shortage of vendors in the US that also want that 3% - Visa/MC don't effectively prevent it from happening. SignatureJason O'Rourke www.jor.com > >> It is the fee > >> they pay to the bank for the service. A high volume site like a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > of vendors in the US that also want that 3% - Visa/MC don't effectively > prevent it from happening. Why didn't you point out to Bob, that once he's eaten his meal in the restaurant and attempts to pay with his credit card, it's a bit too late for any "sale" to be "lost". >> >> It is the fee >> >> they pay to the bank for the service. A high volume site like a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >restaurant and attempts to pay with his credit card, it's a bit too late for >any "sale" to be "lost". We always look before we attempt to do something with a credit card to see if they take them. And carry sufficient cash to pay if we decide to go there anyway. But most of the problems come with non-restaurant venues where you are actually buying something, in which case the sale may be lost or not. Or with a hotel or rental car where the payment is negotiated in advance. In the case of the car, we may pay with a credit card even with the extra fee because we get the insurance that way for less than if we paid cash and paid for the insurance. (Also because car rental costs a larger amount of money) And we often pay in advance for the large ticket items on trips, in US$$ and/or with a credit card. grandma Rosalie > > >> It is the fee > > >> they pay to the bank for the service. A high volume site like a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > restaurant and attempts to pay with his credit card, it's a bit too late for > any "sale" to be "lost". Because Jason is not as dumb as some sheltered Canadian who knows nothing but her experience in Ambergris in Belize, and thinks that's the center of the universe and how all things work. Jason knows that most of us DON'T eat a car, a piano, a washer, a dryer, our overcoats, our shirts, and a MILLION other things on which credit cards are used, and that EACH of those potential sales may be lost if the customer cannot charge it. -- Bob. > Because Jason is not as dumb as some sheltered Canadian who knows > nothing but her experience in Ambergris in Belize, and thinks that's > the center of the universe and how all things work. Right. I thought you knew so much about my travels. LOL. > Jason knows that most of us DON'T eat a car, a piano, a washer, a > dryer, our overcoats, our shirts, and a MILLION other things on > which credit cards are used, and that EACH of those potential sales > may be lost if the customer cannot charge it. That's right, but from your ivory tower, what you apparently have no experience with, is eating at a restaurant on land, intending to pay with your credit card, then finding out that you will be charged the surcharge. I've seen it many times and in the process, I've seen some perfectly lovely evenings begin to deteriorate for some of those involved. This has not ever happened at my table, however, because I am aware. > air-travel in which my CO Chase VISA pays me 1 FFM for each $ charged. . . . > of CO. That makes it 40,500 FFMs. I get another 1000 bonus miles for > booking on the CO webpage. I get more bonus (for the SAME flight) Actually, for CO tickets, you get 2 FFMs for each $ charged on your CO Chase VISA. > > air-travel in which my CO Chase VISA pays me 1 FFM for each $ charged. > . . . [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Actually, for CO tickets, you get 2 FFMs for each $ charged on your CO Chase > VISA. Greg, you're mistaken about this. I've checked my CO Account monthly statements -- and it's always 1 FFM for each $ charged on my CO Chase -- regardless of the purchase, whether it was CO ticket or any other charged purchases. As indicated in the two lines clipped above, I get all kinds of CO FFMs from OTHER sources related to the ticket purchase. Actually, my CO Chase keeps track of the TOTAL number of FFMs I've earned by using my CO VISA card, and it has always been 1 FFM for each $, over the past 5 years at least. -- Bob. > I've checked my CO Account monthly statements -- and it's always 1 FFM > for each $ charged on my CO Chase -- regardless of the purchase, > whether > it was CO ticket or any other charged purchases. Then you're getting screwed: Earn OnePass? Miles: 10,000 miles the first time you pay your annual fee One (1) OnePass mile for every dollar you spend on the card Double (2) OnePass miles when you use your card to make purchases from: Continental Airlines CVS/pharmacy? AT&T Macy's Bed Bath and Beyond? KB Toys Best Buy Office Depot? http://creditcardsatchase.com/portal/index.jsp?pgTitle=pg_card_benefits&card=con tworld&subsection=earn_rewards > > I've checked my CO Account monthly statements -- and it's always 1 FFM > > for each $ charged on my CO Chase -- regardless of the purchase, > > whether > > it was CO ticket or any other charged purchases. > > Then you're getting screwed: Nah! First of all, I was talking about my Chase VISA card, not the MasterCard you referenced below. Second, some of the items you listed are ONE-TIME promotional things, such as the 10,000 miles the FIRST time ... and then there are OTHER promotional extra FFM, given by Continental and its affiliate PROGRAMS, not by the Chase VISA (or CO MasterCard for that matter, I am pretty sure -- e.g., the bit about getting TEN times the bill in eating at certain restaurants -- that's part of the IDINE Program). > Earn OnePass® Miles: > 10,000 miles the first time you pay your annual fee [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Best Buy > Office Depot® http://creditcardsatchase.com/portal/index.jsp?pgTitle=pg_card_benefits&card=con tworld&subsectionêrn_rewards I get EXTRA FFMs from all of the above, under THEIR (the merchants) reward programs, not under the my CO Chase VISA (Signature card which has NO maximum charge limits :-)). As I had already mentioned in my original post where you followed-up on, when I fly to Hong Kong (4 days from now; already had my FREE First Class upgrade from ATL/EWR confirmed by CO), I get 1000 FF miles for the $1000 (approx.) from CO Chase VISA. 1000 FF miles for booking the ticket on the CO webpage 18,000 FFM for the flying miles themselves, from CO 22,500 FFM for the 125% bonus as CO's Platinum Elite, from CO More FFM for staying at the Conrad in Hong Kong, from Hilton Honestly, I can't remember all the ADDITIONAL CO FFMs I get on each and every trip. Ok, so I get AT LEAST 42,500 CO FFMs on that $1000 ticket. Greg says he gets 2000 FFM on his charge to the MasterCard. Greg, I guess I AM screwed compared to your FFM return. :-) -- Bob. P.S. I have over 1,000.000 not-yet-used CO FF miles NOW. Is that the fun of "getting screwed"? :-) Greg Mossman wrote: > > I've checked my CO Account monthly statements -- and it's always 1 FFM > > for each $ charged on my CO Chase -- regardless of the purchase, > > whether > > it was CO ticket or any other charged purchases. > > Then you're getting screwed: > Nah! First of all, I was talking about my Chase VISA card, not > the MasterCard you referenced below. I don't know about that Bob. I have the CO Chase VISA, not MasterCard, and I get 2 miles per dollar spent buying Continental tickets or associated expenses, as well as 2 miles when purchasing at any partner businesses. I get 1 mile per dollar for every other purchase. I happen to find Membership Miles a better program anyway though. I just got a couple Biz Class tickets to Bali (we are off to Wakatobi) on AmEx miles and the Malaysia Air rate was 95,000 miles per passenger. CO wanted 120,000 miles and could only offer a screwed itinerary. Heck, I think the flight went LA, ANC,HNL,GUM, DPS...something crazy like that. AmEx miles, thru Delta code share, got me on MA with the standard one stop (KUL). Continental has seldom offered us a decent itinerary, even when traveling to South America where they have a very good presence. If I leave Denver...I've got to hit Houston, and then generally Panama as well (which as we all know make you get off the plane, pass thru security, and then get back on the same plane to continue travel), before heading on to the final destination. From here, ever since CO moved their hub out, flying Continental isn't as good as other options anymore...hence the miles aren't as valuable even if they are 2'fers. > Greg Mossman wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > expenses, as well as 2 miles when purchasing at any partner businesses. I > get 1 mile per dollar for every other purchase. That's interesting. I phoned the VIP number and learned that it is indeed the case. On closer examination of my Chase VISA statements, my LATEST statement did show that I charged $20,000+, but I earned 24,000+ FFMs, and I had purchased several airline tickets in that monthly cycle. So, I'll next check to see if I had been credited DOUBLE miles for those charges to account for the discrepency. I just don't pay attention to a few thousand FFMs. :-) Most the months, the $ charge and number of FFMs are the same. But that ONE statement alone sufficed to show that I wasn't screwed by CO Chase VISA, because I got 24K+ miles for $20k+ charged. > I happen to find Membership Miles a better program anyway though. I just got > a couple Biz Class tickets to Bali (we are off to Wakatobi) on AmEx miles > and the Malaysia Air rate was 95,000 miles per passenger. CO wanted 120,000 > miles and could only offer a screwed itinerary. Heck, I think the flight > went LA, ANC,HNL,GUM, DPS...something crazy like that. AmEx miles, thru > Delta code share, got me on MA with the standard one stop (KUL). I had a roundtrip to Bali in April. My CO connection was ATL-LAX- NRT(Tokyo) on CO, and NW (CO partner) to SIN. (The DPS <Bali> portion was on Singapore Air). I don't see why the portion from LA in the 120,000 FFM freebie couldn't have been LAX-NRT-SIN. There are some direct non-CO routing from O'Hare (ORD) to SIN or PDS directly. But that is a different question altogether, > Continental has seldom offered us a decent itinerary, even when traveling to > South America where they have a very good presence. How do you fly to Palau (KOR)? I don't fly to South America often. But when I did to Rio, I had a DIRECT flight from EWR (Newark). > If I leave Denver...I've got to hit Houston, That's still another completely separate issue. If you fly CO, then no matter WHERE you start, you have to go through one of their three hubs, IAH (Houston), EWR (Neward), or CLE (Cleveland). No big deal. I have flown throw IAH hundreds of times, from ATL to LAX. Delta has a direct flight ATL-LAX, and CHEAPER, but I never used it because (a) I dislike DELTA flights and (b) I don't get FREE First Class on DELTA when for 5 years I ALWAYS had free First Class upgrade with 48 States. Only this year did I failed to make some upgrades on "popular" routes, such as LAX to EWR. > and then generally Panama as well (which as we all know > make you get off the plane, pass thru security, and then get back on the > same plane to continue travel), before heading on to the final destination. > From here, ever since CO moved their hub out, flying Continental isn't as > good as other options anymore...hence the miles aren't as valuable even if > they are 2'fers. Our experiences obviously differ. ATL (from which I fly at least 75K miles on CO every year since 1999 <the start of their Platinum Program>, the benefits of the FF Program far outweight the nuisance of having always to go through their hubs. ATL is a DELTA and AMERICAN hub. Their FF Programs stink, so I almost never use them except on certain routes where CO don't fly (PLS Provindenciales) or where DELTA has a direct and cheaper connection (to Grand Cayman). -- Bob. P.S. I am happy and confident about my unused 1,000,000+ CO FFMs. I would get rid of those miles ASAP if they were Delta or AA. :-) > > Greg Mossman wrote: ( snipped ) > > > Then you're getting screwed: > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > screwed by CO Chase VISA, because I got 24K+ miles for $20k+ > charged. Now my figures are in from the accountant (Reef Fish). :-) The DIFFERENCE between the 24K+ FFM and 20K+ $ charged came to 4290, which is exactly the total amount I paid for 8 CO tickets that month. So, I DID get double miles from CO Chase VISA on the CO tickets charged. But the REST of the charges, about 20K's worth, I got 1 CO FFM for every $ charged because I didn't use any of the other listed venders except Office Depot. And for my Office Depot charges, Office Depot gives me a 10% cash rebate, which is far better than any CO double FFMs are worth (and it did not give double miles on my VISA -- because that is already well over double the amount charged, in cash rebate. That brings the mystery of "screwed or not screwed" in Chase CO VISA/Mastercard FFMs to a census verified conclusion. :-) -- Bob. > > I don't know about that Bob. > > That's interesting. I phoned the VIP number and learned that it is > indeed the case. That's good that you have been getting credited correctly. > > I happen to find Membership Miles a better program anyway though. I > just got [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > portion was on Singapore Air). I don't see why the portion from LA > in the 120,000 FFM freebie couldn't have been LAX-NRT-SIN. Which is my general problem with CO. On my last trip to PNG you should have seen the itinerary! I think they had me stopping in every major Australian city before htting Cairns and then on to Pt Moresby. Ultimately I ended up buying on Quantas rather than flying miles on Quantas. LA, Sydney, Cairns, Pt Morseby, Rabaul....that's already enough screwing around without visiting 2 or 3 other cities in Australia :^) > I don't fly to South America often. But when I did to Rio, I had a > DIRECT flight from EWR (Newark). Yeah, it seems if you leave one of their hubs your overall itinerary is better. When CO had a hub here our flights were much much better. One of my Galapagos miles itineraries had me going to Newark and then south to Ecuador. I never accepted that initerary again. > > If I leave Denver...I've got to hit Houston, > > That's still another completely separate issue. If you fly CO, then > no matter WHERE you start, you have to go through one of their three > hubs, IAH (Houston), EWR (Neward), or CLE (Cleveland). Right I fly United often and fly right over their hubs and sub-hubs. They don't make you stop at one just because you are close. It's not that I dislike Continental, in fact their upfront service is one of the best of our domestic airlines, but that from Denver their schedules just aren't as good as others. We lost a whole lot when Continental shut down hub operations here in Denver. > No big deal. I have flown throw IAH hundreds of times, from ATL to > LAX. Delta has a direct flight ATL-LAX, and CHEAPER, but I never > used it But I dislike stops because of the potential for delay as well as baggage issues. In DIR-speak they would be called "failure points". > Our experiences obviously differ. ATL (from which I fly at least 75K > miles on CO every year since 1999 <the start of their Platinum [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > certain routes where CO don't fly (PLS Provindenciales) or where > DELTA has a direct and cheaper connection (to Grand Cayman). Oh, I understand. Much of the service we get from airlines depends on our primary location. It's difficult from Denver to certain parts of the country......but at least I can get nonstop to LGW or FRA and pass right on by Newark, JFK and Laguardia. > -- Bob. > > P.S. I am happy and confident about my unused 1,000,000+ CO FFMs. > I would get rid of those miles ASAP if they were Delta or AA. :-) Being an old Continental hub I know just how fast that can change. Which is another reason I like my miles with AmEx. I think they'll be around a lot longer than any airline we can mention :^) > > > I don't know about that Bob. > > > > That's interesting. I phoned the VIP number and learned that it is > > indeed the case. > > That's good that you have been getting credited correctly. So much for the Chase CO credit card FFM perk saga. Now we are onto airline HUBS and Ramone's complaints about CO. :) < complaint about Bali connection snipped > > > I had a roundtrip to Bali in April. My CO connection was ATL-LAX- > > NRT(Tokyo) on CO, and NW (CO partner) to SIN. (The DPS <Bali> > > portion was on Singapore Air). I don't see why the portion from LA > > in the 120,000 FFM freebie couldn't have been LAX-NRT-SIN. > > Which is my general problem with CO. May be not CO, but your lousy agent or CO booking agent who doesn't know the routing well. > On my last trip to PNG you should have > seen the itinerary! I think they had me stopping in every major Australian > city before htting Cairns This more or less confirmed my preceding statement. CO (actually CO Micronesia or Air Mike) has the monopoly on the flights from LAX to Guam. Then it's just a ONE STEP HOP from Guam to Caines. Been there. Done that. You could have gone from LAX to HNL to GUM to CNS. There are no non-stop connection for that route. The planes can't hold enough FUEL. The longest CO orute is the one I am taking to HKG (16 hours nonstop). It takes many more hours FLIGHT time from LAX to Caines. > and then on to Pt Moresby. Ultimately I ended up > buying on Quantas rather than flying miles on Quantas. LA, Sydney, Cairns, > Pt Morseby, Rabaul....that's already enough screwing around without visiting > 2 or 3 other cities in Australia :^) Qantas STINKS. The luggage allowance was hardly enough for my dive gears. :-) So, when I flew Qantas from Caines to Sydney, I left 140 lbs of luggage in Caines, to pick up on my return. > > I don't fly to South America often. But when I did to Rio, I had a > > DIRECT flight from EWR (Newark). > > Yeah, it seems if you leave one of their hubs your overall itinerary is > better. When CO had a hub here our flights were much much better. You don't get it, Ramone. CO flies ONLY through its hubs. I am almost 1000 miles from any of its three hubs. So, I always have a one-top connection to either IAH, EWR, or CLE. What's the big deal about a one-stop change? Again, there is NO plane in any commercial airline that CAN hold enough fuel to fly from ATL to Hong Kong. So, I fly 2 hours from ATL to EWR, and then 16 hour non-stop from EWR to HKG. IAH also has a non-stop connection to HKG. So, if you're near Houston, then you fly there and then direct to HKG. > > > If I leave Denver...I've got to hit Houston, So? What connection can YOU get, on ANY airline, from Denver to Hong Kong that takes LESS than one stop? NONE! Ramone, your complaint here is completely ill-founded. > > That's still another completely separate issue. If you fly CO, then > > no matter WHERE you start, you have to go through one of their three > > hubs, IAH (Houston), EWR (Neward), or CLE (Cleveland). See, I had written that already. You were replying even before you read through my post. > Right I fly United often and fly right over their hubs and sub-hubs. Does United have a nonstop flight from Denver to Hong Kong? You know why United is going bankrupt? :-) > They > don't make you stop at one just because you are close. It's not that I > dislike Continental, I can believe that. It's your INEXPERIENCE about airline routing, and how airlines hubs work. > in fact their upfront service is one of the best of our > domestic airlines, but that from Denver their schedules just aren't as good > as others. We lost a whole lot when Continental shut down hub operations > here in Denver. Last century? I've been a OnePass member since 1983. Denver has NEVER been a CO or pre-CO hub for that airline. > But I dislike stops because of the potential for delay as well as baggage > issues. In DIR-speak they would be called "failure points". You haven't considered the FACT that the longest commercial airline flight (up to this year) WAS Continental's EWR-HKG 16 hour flight to Hong Kong. The planes can't hold enough FUEL to fly much farther. > Oh, I understand. Much of the service we get from airlines depends on our > primary location. No. That's your fixation about hubs. > It's difficult from Denver to certain parts of the country...... Just like it's difficult to get from Podunk, Ky to other parts of the country ... :-) If Denver is IMPORTANT for anything other than skiing, you would have had better airline connections. > but at least I can get nonstop to LGW or FRA and pass right on > by Newark, JFK and Laguardia. And I can get from ATL to Cozumel via IAH by NOON when I start from Tennessee to ATL the same morning, while the Denver divers always whined about how hard it is for them to get to Cozumel. BTW, Ron Lee is the worst diver in Cozumel. He is from Denver. :-))) > Being an old Continental hub I know just how fast that can change. Denver was NEVER a Continental hub. I have no problekm whatsoever being located 1000 miles from a CO hub. I think that's your mental block, Ramone. Do you always buy the cheapest coach ticket and get First Class upgrade (for FREE) on United or any other airline? That could be one reason I don't mind making a short stop at the CO hubs because of all the comfortable and FREE First Class flying. :-) -- Bob. <snip> a bunch of replies to points never made...except in your coconut head :^) > Qantas STINKS. The luggage allowance was hardly enough for my dive > gears. :-) So, when I flew Qantas from Caines to Sydney, I left > 140 lbs of luggage in Caines, to pick up on my return. They must not like you (can't imagine why). I probably travel with considerably more gear than you and have never had any problem whatsoever with Qantas and weight. If you're sitting up front they don't seem to mess with you. If you're sitting in back, unfortunately they do. Maybe if you are a raving egomaniacal fuckwit they make you leave luggage behind. > > > I don't fly to South America often. But when I did to Rio, I had > a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You don't get it, Ramone. CO flies ONLY through its hubs. Reefer....you're a trip my man! That is why I don't like them, because they stop at every hub! Just because they do, isn't a reason to overlook the hassle that sometimes creates :^) When they were hubbed here we never had to hit Houston, even though that was a hub also. I flew them then, I choose not to fly them now, when possible. > I am > almost 1000 miles from any of its three hubs. So, I always have a > one-top connection to either IAH, EWR, or CLE. What's the big > deal about a one-stop change? I said it already....I like to minimize stops because of potential delays and baggage issues. > Again, there is NO plane in any commercial airline that CAN hold > enough fuel to fly from ATL to Hong Kong. So, I fly 2 hours > from ATL to EWR, and then 16 hour non-stop from EWR to HKG. > IAH also has a non-stop connection to HKG. So, if you're near > Houston, then you fly there and then direct to HKG. I think it's up for grabs where you suddenly came up with this Hong Kong bullshit or what it has to do with me not wanting to have to hit Houston on the way to South America or the East Coast. > > > > If I leave Denver...I've got to hit Houston, > > So? What connection can YOU get, on ANY airline, from Denver to > Hong Kong that takes LESS than one stop? > > NONE! Ah ha ha ha....do you make up this reality just so you can win an argument. Where and when did I ever say anything about Houston bothering me when I go to Hong Kong??????? > Ramone, your complaint here is completely ill-founded. Reefer, what are you talking about? They stop at their hubs...I don't like that...my complaint is extremely well-founded. > > > That's still another completely separate issue. If you fly CO, > then [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > See, I had written that already. You were replying even before you > read through my post. You sure this doesn't have anything to do with Hong Kong? > > Right I fly United often and fly right over their hubs and sub-hubs. > > Does United have a nonstop flight from Denver to Hong Kong? Hong Kong...Hong Kong!!! What is going on with this Hong Kong sh.t? > > They > > don't make you stop at one just because you are close. It's not that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I can believe that. It's your INEXPERIENCE about airline routing, > and how airlines hubs work. You've got a real little dick...dontcha? I mean only a guy with a real little dick could possibly act the way you do. I mean you're a big dick, but only because you've got a little dick. > > in fact their upfront service is one of the best of our > > domestic airlines, but that from Denver their schedules just aren't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Last century? I've been a OnePass member since 1983. Denver has NEVER > been a CO or pre-CO hub for that airline. Denver and Stapleton Airport is where Continental's formative years were spent. Three years after it's organization in El Paso (it was called something else in El Paso...Varney Air?) it moved to Denver, and maintained a hub presence here until 1995. Denver was a company hub from 1937 until 1995. It was THE hub from 1937 until 1978 when Houston was added (remember Frank Lorenzo). Newark wasn't until 1983. Stapleton Airport in Denver was the company headquarters until 1968, it was also the conversion shop for all of Continental Airlines military contracts during WWII and for it's own equipment until 1995 when the Denver hub was finally shut down, which would be what....12 years after you became a OnePass member....and you don't know this? Yeah, sure, you're a real experienced Continental flyer....ah ha ha ha!!!! You've been caught, you lying dung. I don't think anyone in the flying public who flew Continental more than a few times before 1995 could have possible not known Denver was a hub, and for most of the time primary hub. You are just a liar. Now we know the lying lies a liar tells.....don't we? ***I fly 70,000 miles on Continental every year..... ***I've been a OnePass member since 1983....... ***Denver was NEVER a CO hub....... OK..this discussion is over. I can take you being an insecure lunatic, but I don't waste time with IDIOT liars. Oops...you resemble that....eh? I changed the SUBJECT, so as not to further \ pollute the discussion about credit cards or airlines. This is all about FW (f.ck Wit) Ramone Cila. :~) > <snip> > a bunch of replies to points never made...except in your coconut head :^) A reply to YOUR whining about CO routing, which had nothing to do with the credit card FFM discussion. But now we are beginning to see the true color of the whiner. :^) > > Qantas STINKS. The luggage allowance was hardly enough for my dive > > gears. :-) So, when I flew Qantas from Caines to Sydney, I left > > 140 lbs of luggage in Caines, to pick up on my return. > > Maybe if you are a raving egomaniacal fuckwit they make you leave luggage > behind. Nobody MADE me leave 140 lbs of luggage behind. I knew how to read the luggage restrictions. I can afford to pay the extra weight charges. But I wasn't DIVING in Sydney, so I chose to leave it in Cairn (after diving from a liveaboard there) when I went visit a good friend in Sydney, with no plans to dive there. Wassa matter, Ramone? Got exposed about your LACK of knowledge and experience about airline ROUTING and FUEL capacity restrictions that now you are flauting YOUR fuckwit? :-))) > > You don't get it, Ramone. CO flies ONLY through its hubs. > > Reefer....you're a trip my man! That is why I don't like them, because they > stop at every hub! May I call you FW for FuckWit for short? FW, CO does NOT stop at every hub. Of the million miles I've flown on CO, it has NEVER stopped at more than ONE hub each way. Get it, FW? That's only one of your problems in your blockhead. Not knowing what a HUB is, and what CO's hubs are. What have you been smoking, FW? > I said it already....I like to minimize stops because of potential delays > and baggage issues. But you were ignorant enough about flying to know that there are not many no-stop flights between cities! You WHINE very well, FW. Hey, that's a double acronym for you, Ramone: FW for FuckWit and also Fuckin' Whiner. There's your badge of honor. Don't say you haven't been honored by the Reef Fish in rec.scuba.locations. > > Again, there is NO plane in any commercial airline that CAN hold > > enough fuel to fly from ATL to Hong Kong. So, I fly 2 hours [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > bullshit or what it has to do with me not wanting to have to hit Houston on > the way to South America or the East Coast. Just an EXAMPLE (of hundreds of examples) that planes CANNOT hold enough fuel to fly from one city to another with no-stop. CO flies from Denver to HKG in ONE STOP. CO flies from ATL to HKG in ONE STOP. No airline flies, or can fly, between those two cities in less than 1 stop. Get it? FW? That's how it's relevant that your WHINING about CO having to make a stop at IAH or EWR (en route to HKG in this example case) a shining example of your own FW ignorance about FUEL capacity, stops, and your groundless complaints. That's why I said, > > Ramone, your complaint here is completely ill-founded. > Reefer, what are you talking about? They stop at their hubs...I don't like > that...my complaint is extremely well-founded. Only to a FW. See diagrammed explanation above. NO airline flies from Denver or ATL or many cities in the USA without making AT LEAST one stop, in the example cited, as well as hundreds of other examples not cited. So where's your well-founded WHINE about CO having to make ONE stop at IAH or EWR? And your completely ignorant statement that CO stops at EVERY ONE of it hubs? > > > They > > > don't make you stop at one just because you are close. It's not that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You've got a real little dick...dontcha? First it's exposing yourself as FW. Now you're exposing your fetish as a dick-sizer? > I mean only a guy with a real > little dick could possibly act the way you do. I mean you're a big dick, but > only because you've got a little dick. There is no need to show your SELF-PORTRAIT. > you're a real experienced Continental flyer....ah ha ha > ha!!!! > You've been caught, you lying dung. Ooooh, FW, you've gone too far this time. Really DUMB move on your part. Here comes FW's challenge of the FACTS I stated about my CO flying: > ***I fly 70,000 miles on Continental every year..... That would not even qualify one as Platinum on CO's Elite Program. I said fly at least 75,000 miles on CO since 1999. That didn't even count the FFM free flights. 75K PAID mailes every year since the present Elite Program started. > ***I've been a OnePass member since 1983....... That's what's on everyone of my CO Platinum OnePass Elite cards: 1999, 2000, 2001. 2002, 2003, and 2004: "Member since 83". :-))) > OK..this discussion is over. I can take you being an insecure lunatic, but I > don't waste time with IDIOT liars. Oops...you resemble that....eh? Here's a money-making offer for you f.ck Wit Ramone: If I CANNOT give definitive PROOF that: (a) I flew CO at least 75K miles every year since 1999 (the present Elite Program starting date), OR (b) on everyone of my CO Platinum OnePass Elite cards: 1999, 2000, 2001. 2002, 2003, and 2004: "Member since 83". you'll win my 1,000,000 CO FFM or its cash equivalent $20,000 USD. Howzat? On the other hand, if I CAN prove those, then you';; pay me $200 for your accusation that I had been lying about them. 100 to 1 odds in your favor. (I pity you; I usually only make 10 to 1 offers) PUBLIC OFFER. Witnessed by every reader. Greg Mossman probably witnessed this offer. He's a lawyer. He understands what the offer is, and what constitue "proof". Are you going to take the wager offer or just go away and implitly admit that you're a worthless, irresponsible CHICKEN sh.t, or are you going to come back and WHINE some more? Ramone, this is why YOU are such a clueless FW, to be here bluffing and slinging your little dick, because you haven't been around (or posted anything in this or any other ng) before September 7, 2004! :-)))) A real Clueless FW. -- Bob. > Ramone, this is why YOU are such a clueless FW, to be here > bluffing and slinging your little dick, Let me repeat your loudmouthed claim based upon supposed years of OnePass membership and supposed millions of flying miles on Continental Airlines: "Denver has NEVER been a CO or pre-CO hub for that airline." No matter which way one looks at it...... ***you lose***. Either you lied about Denver "NEVER" being a hub or have redefined "Clueless" for having been a OnePass member for close to 20 years, having flown 70,000 Continental miles per year, and never knowing where their hubs are or were. These are your words.....neither taken out of context or altered. Wouldn't an astute, experienced, sophisticated, dedicated Continental flyer, like you claim to be, know where the hubs are after millions of miles and 20 years of mileage membership? :^) So? Which one is it? Which one are you? Clueless or Liar? Ha ha ha....way to go. You're not even half a challenge. Fuckwit > > Ramone, this is why YOU are such a clueless FW, to be here > > bluffing and slinging your little dick, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > "Denver has NEVER been a CO or pre-CO hub for that airline." I was referring the the PRESENT Continental, and its immediate pre-Co, which was Eastern with whom I had my OnePass membership since 1983. Not your Varney Air of 1937! :-) I offered you a bet of $200 against my $20,000 for MY Continental mileage and 1983 OnePass Membership claims which you said were LIES. What's the matter? Can't afford to bet $200 in a bet you're so sure I was lying, against my $20,000? Below is an excerpt of what I posted in the post which you replied, and conveniently left out. ======= Beginning of excerpt f.ck Wit Ramone snipped ===== > you're a real experienced Continental flyer....ah ha ha > ha!!!! > You've been caught, you lying dung. Ooooh, FW, you've gone too far this time. Really DUMB move on your part. Here comes FW's challenge of the FACTS I stated about my CO flying: > ***I fly 70,000 miles on Continental every year..... That would not even qualify one as Platinum on CO's Elite Program. I said fly at least 75,000 miles on CO since 1999. That didn't even count the FFM free flights. 75K PAID mailes every year since the present Elite Program started. > ***I've been a OnePass member since 1983....... That's what's on everyone of my CO Platinum OnePass Elite cards: 1999, 2000, 2001. 2002, 2003, and 2004: "Member since 83". :-))) > OK..this discussion is over. I can take you being an insecure lunatic, but I > don't waste time with IDIOT liars. Oops...you resemble that....eh? Here's a money-making offer for you f.ck Wit Ramone: If I CANNOT give definitive PROOF that: (a) I flew CO at least 75K miles every year since 1999 (the present Elite Program starting date), OR (b) on everyone of my CO Platinum OnePass Elite cards: 1999, 2000, 2001. 2002, 2003, and 2004: "Member since 83". you'll win my 1,000,000 CO FFM or its cash equivalent $20,000 USD. Howzat? On the other hand, if I CAN prove those, then you';; pay me $200 for your accusation that I had been lying about them. 100 to 1 odds in your favor. (I pity you; I usually only make 10 to 1 offers) PUBLIC OFFER. Witnessed by every reader. Greg Mossman probably witnessed this offer. He's a lawyer. He understands what the offer is, and what constitue "proof". Are you going to take the wager offer or just go away and implitly admit that you're a worthless, irresponsible CHICKEN sh.t, or are you going to come back and WHINE some more? =============== end of excerpt f.ck Wit Ramone snipped ===== > Which one are you? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fuckwit Your laugh hasn't changed since your last post, FW Ramone. Why aren't you putting up YOUR $200 against my $20,000??? PUT UP or SHUT UP. -- Bob. > I was referring the the PRESENT Continental, and its immediate > pre-Co, which was Eastern with whom I had my OnePass membership > since 1983. Not your Varney Air of 1937! :-) This is just another of your..."Oh look what I pulled from my a.s today" comments. Continental has always been Continental, since 1937. There is no "PRESENT Continental", or "pre-CO" in terms you suggest. It was not an Eastern affiliated company nor is it a company that grew from Eastern's demise, nor is Eastern it's predecessor. There wasn't a Continental then and a different Continental now. You stop lying or I won't continue talking to you about this. I hate liars. It's gutless to be a liar. Now that we've got your pathetic diversion out of the way, let's get back to the real issue at hand: Let me repeat your loudmouthed claim based upon supposed years of OnePass membership and supposed millions of flying miles on Continental Airlines: "Denver has NEVER been a CO or pre-CO hub for that airline." and now added, the pathetically hilarious: "I was referring the the PRESENT Continental, and its immediate pre-Co, which was Eastern with whom I had my OnePass membership since 1983. Not your Varney Air of 1937! :-)" No matter which way one looks at it...... ***you lose***. Either you lied about Denver "NEVER" being a hub or have redefined "Clueless" for having been a OnePass member for close to 20 years, having flown 70,000 Continental miles per year, and never knowing where their hubs are or were. These are your words.....neither taken out of context or altered. Wouldn't an astute, experienced, sophisticated, dedicated Continental flyer, like you claim to be, know where the hubs are after millions of miles and 20 years of mileage membership? :^) So? Which one is it? Which one are you? Clueless or Liar? or Clueless Liar? I think after this most recent claim about "PRESENT Continental" and "its immediate pre-Co, which was Eastern" the last choice is the most evident. You Fuckwit > > I was referring the the PRESENT Continental, and its immediate > > pre-Co, which was Eastern with whom I had my OnePass membership > > since 1983. Not your Varney Air of 1937! :-) > > This is just another of your..."Oh look what I pulled from my a.s today" > comments. What happened to the BET I offered to you, of your $200 against my $20,000?? Not a single comment about it while you were waving your little weasel dick at a statement I already clarified. You accused me of LYING about my flying miles on CO, and my OnePass Membership since 1983. Remember? That was the substance of the BET I offered you, Ramone. You worthless weasel, liar, and irresponsible Chicken sh.t! > You Fuckwit Learn to PUT UP or SHUT UP, FW Ramone Cila. -- Bob. > What happened to the BET I offered to you, of your $200 > against my $20,000?? Childish. I know you are a liar. Anyone else looking in knows as well. Denver, up until 1995 was a Continental hub....you said it wasn't, ever, and since you have all these Continental flying miles as well as 20 years of OnePass membership one can only assume you were lying when you said: "Denver has NEVER been a CO or pre-CO hub for that airline." and now added, the pathetically hilarious: "I was referring the the PRESENT Continental, and its immediate pre-Co, which was Eastern with whom I had my OnePass membership since 1983. Not your Varney Air of 1937! :-)" Both of these comments are complete and absolute lies. And you cannot prove otherwise....which is why you don't try. You are either a f.cking IDIOT for saying such things, or a gutless liar where your experience is concerned. I have offered you the opportunity to tell us which (Psssst...I suspect those most familiar with you, also already know the answer...I know I do). > Not a single comment about it while you were waving your little > weasel dick at a statement I already clarified. You can't clarify a lie with another lie. Denver was always a Continental hub and Continental was always Continental......not Pre-con, or Eastern, or CURRENT Continental. Not one of your lies is going to change those simple truths. Say it as many times as you want and it will still be lies from you. Getit...goofy? So...back to the issue at hand: Let me repeat your loudmouthed claim based upon supposed years of OnePass membership and supposed millions of flying miles on Continental Airlines: "Denver has NEVER been a CO or pre-CO hub for that airline." and now added, the pathetically hilarious: "I was referring the the PRESENT Continental, and its immediate pre-Co, which was Eastern with whom I had my OnePass membership since 1983. Not your Varney Air of 1937! :-)" No matter which way one looks at it...... ***you lose***. Either you lied about Denver "NEVER" being a hub, or you have redefined "Clueless" for having been a OnePass member for close to 20 years, having flown 70,000 Continental miles per year, and never knowing where their hubs are or were. These are your words.....neither taken out of context or altered. Wouldn't an astute, experienced, sophisticated, dedicated Continental flyer, like you claim to be, know where the hubs are after millions of miles and 20 years of mileage membership? :^) So? Which one is it? Which one are you? Clueless or Liar? or Clueless Liar? You lying, arrogant, loudmouthed. self-absorbed Fuckwit. You STILL here? FW Ramone. This should be short and sweet, for EVERYONE. > > What happened to the BET I offered to you, of your $200 > > against my $20,000?? > > Childish. I know you are a liar. Then take the bet! Your repeat mouth-dance gets you nowhere. Let's cut out all the bullshit and get to the BET. FW> You've been caught, you lying dung. ooo This is what you said were my lies: FW> ***I fly 70,000 miles on Continental every year..... ooo You even misquoted me. See (a) below. FW> ***I've been a OnePass member since 1983....... ooo So I offered to bet you my $20,000 against your $200 that: (s) I can give PROOF that I flew at least 75,000 PAID miles on CO in EACH of the year since the CO OnePass Elite Program started, in 1999. (b) I can give PROOF that I have been a OnePass member since 1983. That's two PROOFs in direct contradiction to what you said were my lies. Where's your MONEY? FW Ramone Cila? Can't afford $200 to back up what you said were my lies? -- Bob. > You STILL here? FW Ramone. This should be short and sweet, for > EVERYONE. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Then take the bet! A bet is your only way to move the conversation away from your stupid, inaccurate comments and lies. I'm not letting that happen, and as such you can't get on top of this argument....you f.cking loser :^) That facts are that a loudmouthed, arrogant, self-impressed braggart (that would be you) who parades around rs.locations as if he is the end all to travel experience, and who travels millions of miles on Continental and has been a OnePass member for close to 20 years said this: "Denver has NEVER been a CO or pre-CO hub for that airline." and now added, the pathetically hilarious: "I was referring the the PRESENT Continental, and its immediate pre-Co, which was Eastern with whom I had my OnePass membership since 1983. Not your Varney Air of 1937! :-)" Anyone with the experience you claim with Continental would almost certainly know that is bullshit (unless they were a complete CLUELESS dufus). I love the part about Eastern, by the way. Whooeee! You really know your way around the airline industry!. Particularly Continental Airlines, on whom you've flown millions of miles :^) So which are you... Liar or Clueless or Clueless Liar? Most folks here know you are a liar. Just look back at your attempts to ridicule chilly a few days ago. We all know she has traveled far beyond her interests in Belize. She has commented on it numerous tmes. And I have been to the places she talks about, and her experiences and memories are spot on...she's been there...she's done that. She's been to and dived the other side of the world...hell, she might even have caught that Continental one-stopper to HONG KONG!!!! Hah hahaha But none of that mattered to you because you were out to diminish her, and the means to that end was to lie about where she's been and what she's done. You can't escape it you piece of sh.t.......you are a liar. You prove that everyday without a f.cking bet. Now that we have clarified your penchant for lying, I think we ought to touch upon the cause. Anybody up for analyzing Fuckwit's insecurities? (and the audience emits a massive, heart-wrenching groan :^) Anybody up for analyzing Fuckwit's insecurities? NPD? > > "Denver has NEVER been a CO or pre-CO hub for that airline." > > I was referring the the PRESENT Continental, and its immediate > pre-Co, which was Eastern with whom I had my OnePass membership > since 1983. Not your Varney Air of 1937! :-) Since when do NEVER and PRESENT mean the same thing?? YOU WERE WRONG!! Suck up and admit it. If you weren't so interested in belittling another obviously well traveled person you wouldn't have made yourself look like such an a.s. I could see this coming from a million CO miles away. > I offered you a bet of $200 against my $20,000 for MY Continental > mileage and 1983 OnePass Membership claims which you said were > LIES. He said you were lying about Denver being a CO hub. Maybe you weren't lying, but you were absolutely WRONG. -Mud > > > "Denver has NEVER been a CO or pre-CO hub for that airline." > > > > I was referring the the PRESENT Continental, and its immediate > > pre-Co, which was Eastern with whom I had my OnePass membership > > since 1983. Not your Varney Air of 1937! :-) mudshrimp, For all I know, you may be FW Ramone himself, because your post was the only one in the history of ng since 1981 posted by the name "mudshrimp" or the posting address given. Doesn't matter. > He said you were lying about Denver being a CO hub. Maybe you weren't > lying, but you were absolutely WRONG. > > -Mud That's the CRUX of the issue. The word "lying". I don't mind being nitpicked about my use of "NEVER" as being WRONG, as the way I clarified its intended meaning. I don't even mind if one insists that Varney Air of 1937 is synomymous to CO, and that I was technically wrong. The entire topic of CO hub was Ramone's OT tangent (CO hub) in his OT tangent (CO-bashing), within the thread about CO Chase CREDIT CARDS! But NOBODY calls me a LIAR, in the history of the internet, and got away with it. Even a few who had flamed me for years, and especially those, KNOW that I don't LIE. The last person who accused me of "lying", after MONTHS of mouth- dancing (FW Ramone has done it only a few days), was BURIED by me, on September 12, 2003, in rec.travel.air: http://makeashorterlink.com/?J29924F0A There are many striking similarity between Vitaly Schmatikov's and Ramone Cila's accusations about my LYING: 1. It was about Continental Airlines, and my flying experience. 2. Accusation about LYING: === VS> Unfortunately, you are lying :( You could not have possibly 3. My PUBLIC challenge against Vitaly's "lying" accusation: RF> $10,000 offer I had made (still open for acceptance) against his RF> $1,000 about the existence of said flights with J Class boarding RF> passes, and his failure to claim it while refusing to SHUT UP. Didn't PUT UP, nor SHUT UP. Exactly what FW Ramone was doing. :-) I extended the bet to EVERYONE in rec.travel.air (which had many experts in the airline industry) to include CO employees about my assertion that DOMESTIC Business First existed on CO and that I had flown on it many times. I offered FW Ramone a much better odds of $20,000 vs his $200. One striking DIFFERENCE between Vitaly Schmatikov and Ramone Cila is that Vitaly was for years a regular poster in rec.travel.air, and was/is an experienced FLYER, and had even been an Elite member of the present CO OnePass Program. He just didn't know much about Continental as I did, and hadn't flown nearly as much on CO and other airlines as I did. Ramone Cily, OTOH, had never posted anything in rec.travel.air, a seldom flyer of Continental, and knows practically nothing about FLYING in general, and CO in particular. After only 3 months of lifetime newsgroup experience, Ramone Cila thought he was ready to bite ankles of adults in ngs. :-) Now mudshrimp, you can go back to your regular posting name and posting address and sling your mud elsewhere or on someone else. Just remember: Don't EVER accuse the Reef Fish of "lying" and expect to get away with "internet obfuscation tricks". Vitaly shmatikov tried EVERY trick known to ng (too bad I had seen them all before he used them :-)) during his YEARS of CO-bashing and mouth-dancing. I said of him in April 2002: RF> In short, this sub-thread generated by your CO-bashing RF> was nothing more than an exercise in irrationality on RF> your part. Vitaly Shmatikov has not attempted to joust with me since I buried him in rec.travel.air in 2003 in the post cited above. -- Bob. > Just remember: Don't EVER accuse the Reef Fish of "lying" > and expect to get away with "internet obfuscation tricks". You are a liar. A loudmouthed, self-impressed, braggart who lies when he gets caught with his pants down. I am not mudshrimp and I am not Vitaly. And you said this: "Denver has NEVER been a CO or pre-CO hub for that airline." and now added, the pathetically hilarious: "I was referring the the PRESENT Continental, and its immediate pre-Co, which was Eastern with whom I had my OnePass membership since 1983. Not your Varney Air of 1937! :-)" You were wrong then, remain wrong now, and will forever be wrong unless you own up to not knowing what you were talking about....in which case you will be wrong with an asterisk. Until then one must assume with your level of flying miles on Continental and your 20 years of OnePass membership the only reasonable explanation for making such ludicrous assertions is that you were lying to win talking points. Unfortunately for you I do know what Continental's history is. There ya go. You're a liar and a loser. Ya lied about Continental and you continue to lose the argument. Fuckwit. > > Just remember: Don't EVER accuse the Reef Fish of "lying" > > and expect to get away with "internet obfuscation tricks". > > You are a liar. A loudmouthed, self-impressed, braggart who lies when he > gets caught with his pants down. I thought you had already sung your song of defeat and left. > I am not mudshrimp and I am not Vitaly. Mudshrimp was a one-time poster nobody. I could have been you. You are not Vitaly -- that's for sure! Vitaly knew infinitely more about Continental Airlines than you do. > and now added, the pathetically hilarious: > > "I was referring the the PRESENT Continental, and its immediate > pre-Co, which was Eastern with whom I had my OnePass membership > since 1983. Not your Varney Air of 1937! :-)" You've repeated this CLARIFICATION of mine every post. It's getting very old. Even Mudshrimp said it was no LIE, and I didn't argue with his opinion that it was WRONG. You are such a compulsive LIAR that you can tell a lie from a right or a wrong. That's how pitiful you are. > You're a liar and a loser. Keep singing, and keep dancing. You really think you fool ANYONE who read this thread? > Fuckwit. If that's meant to be your sig, then that's only correct thing you've posted this time. Get lost, you shamely weawel! -- Bob. >But NOBODY calls me a LIAR, in the history of the internet, and >got away with it. Even a few who had flamed me for years, and >especially those, KNOW that I don't LIE. He does, however, share brain matter with the prior President. SignatureJason O'Rourke www.jor.com >> <snip>. If an business tries to change >> >you extra to use your credit card tell them to stuff it and either [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >except to yourself when you complain to you credit company after you >received your bill. I was told in Belize that there would be an additional amount on the bill if I paid by credit card. This is a different charge from the surcharge that the credit card puts on to switch from local currency to US $$s. The Belize $$ is pegged to the US $$ so it isn't so much an exchange rate that has to be calculated depending on the day - the two currencies stay the same in relation to each other. >Gramma explained (partly) why: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >CARD company (Chase VISA, e.g.). It's a FIXED precent (2% I think) >when foreign exchange is involved. Yes there is sometimes a surcharge put on by the credit card company. I've had them do that between Bahamian $$ and US $$ which are on a par. Not all credit card companies do this to the same extent. I charged hospital and doctor bills in the Bahamas to two different cards. One card did not put the extra surcharge on and the other one did. If there is a floating rate difference (like between the pound and the dollar or the peso and the dollar or even the Canadian dollar and the US $$) I expect to have a couple of percent extra charged. I just didn't expect it in the Bahamas. >If the "extra charge" was left to the merchant, you can bet your life >it would exceed 2% most, if not all, of the time. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >to a dollar. So, by accepting your US personal check, the >merchant may be effectively charging you 10% EXTRA. In the case I am speaking of, it was in the Bahamas, and it was an equal exchange rate - no extra charge. I was paying for the marina costs for the boat. He said to me - if you pay by credit card, it will be an extra (I don't remember how many percent) over the actual bill. And then he told me I could write a check for the exact amount. >> In any case, filing a complaint would have no effect, since they are >> perfectly free to charge what they want. Your attitude leads me to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >If you are travelling to foreign countries, first learn the RULES. >Then heed the adage, Caviat Emptor (Let the Buyer Beware). grandma Rosalie >> <snip>. If an business tries to change >> >you extra to use your credit card tell them to stuff it and either [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >to a dollar. So, by accepting your US personal check, the >merchant may be effectively charging you 10% EXTRA. Merchants were going 11:1 two weeks ago. BanMex was buying dollars for 10.80, selling for 10.85. Of course, most of the tourista merchants price in dollars and then convert to pesos. >> In any case, filing a complaint would have no effect, since they are >> perfectly free to charge what they want. Your attitude leads me to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >-- Bob. Signaturedillon "When the French are against it, you know we can't be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman |
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