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LaserSully - 10 Oct 2004 02:08 GMT
Anyone stayed at the Pan Pacific recently ?? How is their on site dive shop
(Splash) ??
Barry - 10 Oct 2004 15:01 GMT
THE dive operations in Palau is Sam's Dive Tours....

> Anyone stayed at the Pan Pacific recently ?? How is their on site dive shop
> (Splash) ??
Greg Mossman - 10 Oct 2004 17:04 GMT
> THE dive operations in Palau is Sam's Dive Tours....

http://www.seapalau.com/

>> Anyone stayed at the Pan Pacific recently ?? How is their on site dive
>> shop
>> (Splash) ??

Splash seems to cater to the Japanese.  If your Japanese is good, I suppose
it's worth a shot.
Reef Fish - 10 Oct 2004 17:42 GMT
> Anyone stayed at the Pan Pacific recently ?? How is their on site dive shop
> (Splash) ??

Not bad for renting a tank and do a shore dive!  Very inexpensive, time
saving, and I saw more giant Pacific clsms there than on several Sun
Dancer liveaboard trips.  Large and small Pacific fishes too.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2F352E79

From: Nigel Kelleher (seadeuce@iol.ie)
Subject: Palau diving
Date: 1996/09/01

wrote in this thread (in groups.google.com):

> I visited Palau in May, diving from the Ocean Hunter.

> I would NOT go on that liveaboard again.  They operated in
> a very restricted area; we did not visit Peleliu, and did German
> Channel FIVE times!

That probably has changed since 1996.  The German Channel is a
bore of sorts.  But I saw a crocodilefish there.  :-)   On my three
Sun Dancer liveaboard trips there (1997, 1999, and 2001), we did the
German Channel less than 5 times, total.

The Peliliu is a must, even if you get blown away 2 miles by the
changing tide.

> Maybe I hit it the wrong week, but the weather was okay.

I did it once in July and caught the monsoon.  12-14 foot swell made
the Blue Corner and other good open water sites inaccessible.  We
did one dive on the CALMEST Cove we could find one day.  Thta was
the only dive I've ever done in my life where none of the divers
(including the DM) saw bottom, shore, or fish anything during the
entire 10-15 minute dive.  :-)  Everyone was scrambling for dear
life in the 10-ft swell to get back on the boat.  Quite an experience.
Beware of the monsoon season there!

> I maintain that
> coldwater divers suffer when with a few warm water cousins.
> The sites are picked to suit those who are used to flat calm seas.

Compared to the 50 foot swell of the North Sea, I supppose 10 ft
seas are flat and calm.  :-)  

> What is rough to them is a gentle swell to us. BTW, there were
> three coldwater divers in our group, and all hold the same opinion.

That's what you call stereotypical error for those who likes to
stereotype everything.  

What Nigel didn't know is that 8 foot swells are about the TOP limit
for the tenders (with about 1 foot bottom clearance to negotiate the
shallow parts of the best known Palau sites to get to the dive sites
such as the Blue Corner.

So far, Brotha' lasersully (Nigel Kelleher) were wrong about
liveaboard diving in Palau and warm water divers.

> I have yet to see the best that Palau has to offer, so I would go
> back; not with the Ocean Hunter though!
> Cheers,
> Nigel Kelleher.

I hope he tried the Palau Aggressor or the Peter Hughes Sun Dancer.

-- Bob.
LaserSully - 11 Oct 2004 04:45 GMT
Thanks for the info....any word on where to stay ashore ?? Pan Pacific sounds
nice but pricey...
Tack - 11 Oct 2004 08:37 GMT
> Thanks for the info....any word on where to stay ashore ?? Pan Pacific
> sounds
> nice but pricey...
Laser,
see my review of Palau diving and the Carolines resort.
http://divingtheblue.com/palau.htm
May be what you want
Good luck
Tim

www.DivingTheBlue.com
Nigel - 11 Oct 2004 21:13 GMT
> > I have yet to see the best that Palau has to offer, so I would go
> > back; not with the Ocean Hunter though!
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>
> -- Bob.

As I said, never saw the best Palau had to offer. The Captain had only
one thing on his mind - Rainbow Hunter, a flying boat no less, due for
start up in '97. Doubt if it was a long-term success. Probably went
the same way as Sea & Sea (Carl Roessler's dive travel company), Carl
was a partner in the R. Hunter.

Got to see Truk (sorry, Chuuk) on the Odyssey last October. Now THAT
was some trip!!!! We were taken everywhere.

Cheers,

Nigel - still diving after all those years .....
Reef Fish - 12 Oct 2004 06:47 GMT
> > > I have yet to see the best that Palau has to offer, so I would go
> > > back; not with the Ocean Hunter though!
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> the same way as Sea & Sea (Carl Roessler's dive travel company), Carl
> was a partner in the R. Hunter.

As I said, I hoped your tried the Palau Aggressor or the Peter
Hughes Sun Dancer.  Appareently you never did, and is still whining
about the Rainbow Hunter (which is ok), but wtill whining about Palau
liveaboard diving -- of which you seemed to know NOTHING -- other
than that one trip on the Rainbow Hunter, which is not what one
expects of an informed diver.

> Got to see Truk (sorry, Chuuk) on the Odyssey last October. Now THAT
> was some trip!!!! We were taken everywhere.

What has THAT got to do with Palau?  

Also if you review the postings about Truk (Chuuk) liveaboard diving,
you'll find other liveaboards in Chuuk besides the Odyssey.  The
Thorfinn, e.g., has had numerous fans and raving reviews.

> Cheers,
>
> Nigel - still diving after all those years .....

Likewise.

-- Bob.
Greg Mossman - 12 Oct 2004 16:16 GMT
> Also if you review the postings about Truk (Chuuk) liveaboard diving,
> you'll find other liveaboards in Chuuk besides the Odyssey.  The
> Thorfinn, e.g., has had numerous fans and raving reviews.

The Thorfinn only counts its fans and raving reviews from those who haven't
been on the Odyssey.
Dan Bracuk - 12 Oct 2004 22:27 GMT
"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:The Thorfinn only counts its fans and raving reviews from those who haven't
:been on the Odyssey.

Chances are, there are very few people who have been on both boats.

Dan Bracuk
Is it my imagination, or do Buffalo Wings taste like chicken?
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Reef Fish - 13 Oct 2004 04:22 GMT
> > Also if you review the postings about Truk (Chuuk) liveaboard diving,
> > you'll find other liveaboards in Chuuk besides the Odyssey.  The
> > Thorfinn, e.g., has had numerous fans and raving reviews.
>
> The Thorfinn only counts its fans and raving reviews from those who haven't
> been on the Odyssey.

Have you or Nigel been on both?

This was all Nigel raved about the Odyssay -- they were taken "everywhere". :-)

Nigel>   Now THAT was some trip!!!! We were taken everywhere.

Did the Odyssay dive ALL the wrecks dived by passengers on the Thorfinn?
Unlikely.  Then where is "everywhere"?  How many wrecks can you possibly
dive in Chuuk in a week without turning yourself into a prezel if you
dive a good number of the 180 wrecks visited by the Thorfinn?

My liking of Chuuk/Truk is evidenced by the statement I've made many
times to my experienced diving friends -- If someone gives me a free
berth on a liveaboard to dive the wrecks in Truk, I wouldn't do it.  :-)

That's how much I like wreck diving and Chuuk.

You think the Odyssay is the cat's meow (I know, I know;  you favor
cats because you share your cat's food) because it goes "everywhere"
like Nigel says too?

Did it go to Palau (from Chuuk)?  Palau has more wrecks than the
Truk Lagoon, ya know?  ;^)

-- Bob.

-- Bob.
Greg Mossman - 13 Oct 2004 16:53 GMT
> You think the Odyssay is the cat's meow (I know, I know;  you favor
> cats because you share your cat's food) because it goes "everywhere"
> like Nigel says too?

No, I liked the Odyssey because the spacious accomodations, good food, and
free booze.  It was kept immaculate.  Reports from the Thorfinn have been
less than glamorous, while the Odyssey draws few complaints.  Perhaps few
people have been on both, but when you hear complaints on one side versus
nothing but praise on the other, it doesn't take a doctor of statistics to
draw a conclusion.
Reef Fish - 14 Oct 2004 00:58 GMT
> > You think the Odyssay is the cat's meow (I know, I know;  you favor
> > cats because you share your cat's food) because it goes "everywhere"
> > like Nigel says too?
>
> No, I liked the Odyssey because the spacious accomodations, good food, and
> free booze.  It was kept immaculate.  

All good reasons.  The Odyssay is a much newer vessel than the Thorfinn
which must be nearly as old as me, so the differences in some of these
respects are to be expected.

There ain't no such thing as a "free lunch", nor "free booze", but AFAIK
the are "free" on the Aggressor and Peter Hughes Fleets.  Since I don't
drink, your "free booze" was subsized by me.

> Reports from the Thorfinn have been
> less than glamorous, while the Odyssey draws few complaints.  

New vs old.  

> Perhaps few
> people have been on both, but when you hear complaints on one side versus
> nothing but praise on the other, it doesn't take a doctor of statistics to
> draw a conclusion.

True.  But what about DIVING?

From what I heard from those who dived the Thorfinn, they dived the
"best" wrecks in Chuuk, and cover an extensive collection of the wrecks.

Neither Nigel nor you said anything about the QUALITY of the wrecks
and the diving, other than Nigel saying "the Odyssay goes everywhere".

Some avid divers would go for the quality of the DIVES and are willing
to forego some luxury living and boozing.  That's why I questioned
Nigel's extravagent claims with little or no information to back
himself up.

You provided some of the valid reasons, but still lacking in the
part that most folks care the most about when they go on a liveaboard
to dive -- the DIVING.

As such, only those who have been on BOTH vessels can give credible
and informative comparison of the diving aspects of them.

-- Bob.
Greg Mossman - 14 Oct 2004 17:20 GMT
> There ain't no such thing as a "free lunch", nor "free booze", but AFAIK
> the are "free" on the Aggressor and Peter Hughes Fleets.  Since I don't
> drink, your "free booze" was subsized by me.

If that's your way of getting out of buying me a drink, I don't accept.  LAX
on Saturday afternoon work for you?  I'm on the way to Kona to test drive
the new Sheraton.

> New vs old.

>> Perhaps few
>> people have been on both, but when you hear complaints on one side versus
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> From what I heard from those who dived the Thorfinn, they dived the
> "best" wrecks in Chuuk, and cover an extensive collection of the wrecks.

> Neither Nigel nor you said anything about the QUALITY of the wrecks
> and the diving, other than Nigel saying "the Odyssay goes everywhere".

According to thorfinn.net, the Thorfinn does 30 wrecks in a week.  At five
dives a day times six diving days (which I doubt they actually do), that's
exactly one dive per wreck.  Some of these wrecks are 500' long with
multiple decks and cargo holds to explore.  And they are deep, so bottom
time is limited even for amphibians like you.  On the Odyssey, we did up to
four dives on the more interesting wrecks (2 divers per was the average).
However, the wreck selection was ultimately left up to the divers - Lenny
and Cara made it clear from the initial briefing that they would be
responsive to requests, and many times the boat is chartered by tech divers
concentrating on the even deeper stuff like the San Francisco Maru.

> Some avid divers would go for the quality of the DIVES and are willing
> to forego some luxury living and boozing.  That's why I questioned
> Nigel's extravagent claims with little or no information to back
> himself up.

I don't see how the dives could be any better off the Thorfinn vs. the
Odyssey except for the Thorfinn's claim that they only put 6 divers on each
wreck at a time.  Yes, that might make the wrecks less crowded than the 15
max per wreck that we 'endured', but again, these are really big wrecks.
There were barely a handful of incidents where I might have preferred fewer
people, mainly because of silt, but the creature comforts of the Odyssey
more than made up for them.

> As such, only those who have been on BOTH vessels can give credible
> and informative comparison of the diving aspects of them.

On the Odyssey, diving occurs directly off the stern of the boat.  There is
no need to transfer to a separate skiff.  Even on the Aggressors where the
boat is lowered into the water, it's still an extra step and additional time
spent getting ready to dive (or post dive).  On the Odyssey, I'd simply
follow the line back to the hang bar at the stern (complete with tank and
reg), climb the ladder after my stop, doff my gear and suit, shower, towel
off, and eat.  The Thorfinners would still be on their skiff riding back to
the mothership while I'd be in a dry T-shirt downloading my photos.  Again,
the Thorfinn might be able to offer fewer divers per wreck, but I can
imagine that just fine without having to actually spend a week on the junk
heap.
Dan Bracuk - 14 Oct 2004 22:32 GMT
"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
: Since I don't
: drink, your "free booze" was subsized by me.

Thank you very much indeed.

Dan Bracuk
Is it my imagination, or do Buffalo Wings taste like chicken?
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Reef Fish - 15 Oct 2004 02:38 GMT
> > There ain't no such thing as a "free lunch", nor "free booze", but AFAIK
> > the are "free" on the Aggressor and Peter Hughes Fleets.  Since I don't
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> on Saturday afternoon work for you?  I'm on the way to Kona to test drive
> the new Sheraton.

My offer to buy you a drink at the LAX Hilton is always on.  Trouble is,
you're never there when I am at LAX.  Looks like your next opportunity
will be Dec 2, when I'll be on my way to Papeete again, for the 3rd time
this year, doing the Moorea, Tuamotu, Nuku Iva, Raiatea, and Bora Bora,
the Marquesas bit for the 2nd time since March because all the dives
are soooooo good, especially the one at Nuku Iva!


> > New vs old.
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> multiple decks and cargo holds to explore.  And they are deep, so bottom
> time is limited even for amphibians like you.  

That sounds about right.  That's more dives, especially the DEEP dives
on deep wrecks, than I can handle, or want to handle.  But for wreck
junkies, I would say that's the winning ticket, as far as WRECK DIVING
goes.

> On the Odyssey, we did up to
> four dives on the more interesting wrecks (2 divers per was the average).
> However, the wreck selection was ultimately left up to the divers - Lenny
> and Cara made it clear from the initial briefing that they would be
> responsive to requests, and many times the boat is chartered by tech divers
> concentrating on the even deeper stuff like the San Francisco Maru.

But just from the dive schedule and WRECK DIVING itinerary, there ain't
no way the Odyssay can touch the Thorfinn.

> > Some avid divers would go for the quality of the DIVES and are willing
> > to forego some luxury living and boozing.  That's why I questioned
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> people, mainly because of silt, but the creature comforts of the Odyssey
> more than made up for them.

That's where the personal preference and choice comes into play.

Your INFO on both (even though you haven't dived the Thorfinn) is
most useful for this thread, for limited comparison purposes.  The
POTENTIAL for diving 30 wrecks (and choosing wrecks from that
menu) is something the Odyssay divers won't have the luxury to
choose from.  

As for WHICH of the wrecks are the "better" wrecks to dive, that's
where the personal choice of the "wreck diver" (which I ain't)
comes into play.

> > As such, only those who have been on BOTH vessels can give credible
> > and informative comparison of the diving aspects of them.

See my comments above, and your info below.

> On the Odyssey, diving occurs directly off the stern of the boat.  There is
> no need to transfer to a separate skiff.  Even on the Aggressors where the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> imagine that just fine without having to actually spend a week on the junk
> heap.

But wreck junkies might laugh at the "junk" wrecks you dive, while they
rave at the "classic" and well-preserved deep wrecks they go for on
the Thorfinn, foregoing the dry T-shirt and possibly better food
they could get even on days they are not diving.  :-)

Wots good for the goose ain't necessarily good for the gander.

One man's meat is another man's poison (or it is poisson? <G>)

But wreck diving is always poison for this poisson.

Da Feeesh et Le Poisson.
Dan Bracuk - 14 Oct 2004 01:48 GMT
Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com (Reef Fish) pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
: If someone gives me a free
:berth on a liveaboard to dive the wrecks in Truk, I wouldn't do it.  :-)

But you could give it to me.

Dan Bracuk
Is it my imagination, or do Buffalo Wings taste like chicken?
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Reef Fish - 14 Oct 2004 12:07 GMT
> Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com (Reef Fish) pounded away at his
> keyboard resulting in:
> : If someone gives me a free
> :berth on a liveaboard to dive the wrecks in Truk, I wouldn't do it.  :-)
>
> But you could give it to me.

If the offer is transferable.  Also, you're the 2nd or 3rd person
who requested the same.  :-)

-- Bob.
Nigel - 13 Oct 2004 00:31 GMT
> As I said, I hoped your tried the Palau Aggressor or the Peter
> Hughes Sun Dancer.  Appareently you never did, and is still whining
> about the Rainbow Hunter (which is ok), but wtill whining about Palau
> liveaboard diving -- of which you seemed to know NOTHING -- other
> than that one trip on the Rainbow Hunter, which is not what one
> expects of an informed diver.

No, have not tried Dancers or Aggressors. I like unrestricted diving.
Can't understand why you say I'm whining about Palau liveaboard diving
- I whined only that the OCEAN (not Rainbow) Hunter did not do a full
itinerary while I was on her. That, according to the skipper, was
because we had an OW on board. So much for their marketing their trips
as "experienced level".

> > Got to see Truk (sorry, Chuuk) on the Odyssey last October. Now THAT
> > was some trip!!!! We were taken everywhere.
>
> What has THAT got to do with Palau?

That has to do with comparison. A valid one too IMO.  

> Also if you review the postings about Truk (Chuuk) liveaboard diving,
> you'll find other liveaboards in Chuuk besides the Odyssey.  The
> Thorfinn, e.g., has had numerous fans and raving reviews.

I assure you I am very familiar with liveaboard ops. in Chuuk, and
worldwide for that matter. FYI the week I was in Chuuk there were six
on the Aggressor, ONE on the Thorfinn. We had ten on the Odyssey. The
choice of boat is a purely personal one, and I don't always get it
right, as my original post shows. That's bad luck, not lack of
research/knowledge.

> > Cheers,
> >
> > Nigel - still diving after all those years .....
>
> Likewise.

Then you should have no probloem understanding where I am coming from.
Adios

Nigel
Dan Bracuk - 13 Oct 2004 01:03 GMT
seadeuce@oceanfree.net (Nigel) pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:
:No, have not tried Dancers or Aggressors. I like unrestricted diving.

Then you might not like the Aggressors or Dancers in Palau.  The
diving is from skiffs, which is certainly not unrestricted.

Dan Bracuk
Is it my imagination, or do Buffalo Wings taste like chicken?
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Greg Mossman - 13 Oct 2004 02:42 GMT
> seadeuce@oceanfree.net (Nigel) pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
> :No, have not tried Dancers or Aggressors. I like unrestricted diving.
>
> Then you might not like the Aggressors or Dancers in Palau.  The
> diving is from skiffs, which is certainly not unrestricted.

Likewise the Thorfinn.
Reef Fish - 13 Oct 2004 13:48 GMT
> > As I said, I hoped your tried the Palau Aggressor or the Peter
> > Hughes Sun Dancer.  Appareently you never did, and is still whining
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> >
> No, have not tried Dancers or Aggressors.

Figures.

> I like unrestricted diving.

So do I.  If you are known to be experienced and capable, you generally
get to do what you lke to do on those fleets.  I recall diving the
vertical Ngemelis Wall to its ledge at 180 fsw.  It's in my 1998 trip
report on the Sun Dancer.

> Can't understand why you say I'm whining about Palau liveaboard diving
> - I whined only that the OCEAN (not Rainbow) Hunter did not do a full
> itinerary while I was on her.

I stand corrected.  You were whining about the OCEAN Hunter in your
original post.  But subsequently, you were whining and slaming the
Rainbow Hunter, even though you had never dived it:

Nigel>  As I said, never saw the best Palau had to offer. The Captain
Nigel>  had only one thing on his mind - Rainbow Hunter, a flying
Nigel>  boat no less, due for start up in '97. Doubt if it was a
Nigel>  long-term success.

> That, according to the skipper, was
> because we had an OW on board. So much for their marketing their trips
> as "experienced level".

What's an OW?  

> > > Got to see Truk (sorry, Chuuk) on the Odyssey last October. Now THAT
> > > was some trip!!!! We were taken everywhere.
> >
> > What has THAT got to do with Palau?
>
> That has to do with comparison. A valid one too IMO.  

Completely DIFFERENT locations, sites, dives.  IMNSHO.

> > Also if you review the postings about Truk (Chuuk) liveaboard diving,
> > you'll find other liveaboards in Chuuk besides the Odyssey.  The
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> worldwide for that matter. FYI the week I was in Chuuk there were six
> on the Aggressor, ONE on the Thorfinn. We had ten on the Odyssey.

What does THAT prove?  Absolutely nothing about quality of the diving
or anything else.

> The
> choice of boat is a purely personal one, and I don't always get it
> right, as my original post shows. That's bad luck, not lack of
> research/knowledge.

But you had planty of opportunity to chance your bad luck first
experience.  But you chose NOT to try any of the other liveaboards,
and whine about the first, and the other Hunter boat you had not
even seen or dived on.  

Some people are good at MAKING bad luck for themselves.

> > > Nigel - still diving after all those years .....
> >
> > Likewise.
>
> Then you should have no probloem understanding where I am coming from.
> Adios

Norway?  :-)   I do have trouble understanding your diving preference
and approach.

-- Bob.
Nigel - 14 Oct 2004 01:48 GMT
> > I like unrestricted diving.
>
> So do I.  If you are known to be experienced and capable, you generally
> get to do what you lke to do on those fleets.  I recall diving the
> vertical Ngemelis Wall to its ledge at 180 fsw.  It's in my 1998 trip
> report on the Sun Dancer.

You can't dive Peleliu if you are not brought to the site. That was
the whole point of my original post! The damn boat didn't go there
because of an OW (Open Water) grade diver aboard. Maybe the six Japs
who went missing not long before my trip had something to do with the
captain's decision, I don't know.

> I stand corrected.  You were whining about the OCEAN Hunter in your
> original post.  But subsequently, you were whining and slaming the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Nigel>  boat no less, due for start up in '97. Doubt if it was a
> Nigel>  long-term success.

I mentioned the R.H. because the captain never stopped talking about
it throughout the week we were there. To say he was pre-occupied would
be to understate the fact. I slammed the CAPTAIN, not the diving, not
the boat, not the R.H.
BTW Ngemelis was one of the best dives we did on that trip, Pyramids
everywhere.

> What's an OW?

Explained above.

> > > > Got to see Truk (sorry, Chuuk) on the Odyssey last October. Now THAT
> > > > was some trip!!!! We were taken everywhere.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Completely DIFFERENT locations, sites, dives.  IMNSHO.

But a captain that arranged diving to suit EVERYONE - that was my
comparison. Palau's wrecks are okay, but the Malakal vis is not up to
what I saw in Chuuk.

> > > Also if you review the postings about Truk (Chuuk) liveaboard diving,
> > > you'll find other liveaboards in Chuuk besides the Odyssey.  The
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> What does THAT prove?  Absolutely nothing about quality of the diving
> or anything else.
It is evidence of popularity among divers, aka market share. "Raves"
are often printed to try to recover market share, but don't always
tell the whole truth about their subject. The proof is in the eating.

> > The
> > choice of boat is a purely personal one, and I don't always get it
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> and whine about the first, and the other Hunter boat you had not
> even seen or dived on.

Again, I whined about the captain only. The other Hunter boat flew
BTW.

> Some people are good at MAKING bad luck for themselves.

I guess I am human, and responsible for my choice. Overall I can say
my choices have been more good than bad. That's why I keep going.

> > > > Nigel - still diving after all those years .....
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Norway?  :-)   I do have trouble understanding your diving preference
> and approach.

Have had good diving in Norway too, on two occasions. Sorry we have
different understandings and approaches. Let's just accept that as a
fact, because by trying to justify one's preferences it can become
contentious. Enjoy your diving Bob, and I will sure as hell try to
enjoy mine.
Matter of fact, I have a day's diving tomorrow. Lovely cold water,
only 80ft or so, but better than a day at the office.

Slainte (that's Irish for "to your health")

Seadeuce
Reef Fish - 14 Oct 2004 13:10 GMT
> > > I like unrestricted diving.
> >
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> the whole point of my original post! The damn boat didn't go there
> because of an OW (Open Water) grade diver aboard.

I think you mean an inexperienced OW certified diver without any
higher level certification card. The practice is certainly not
true of the Aggressor or the Peter Hughes Fleet, and would indeed
be an indictment against the Ocean Hunter or the Hunter Fleet if
that's their policy.

> Maybe the six Japs
> who went missing not long before my trip had something to do with the
> captain's decision, I don't know.

It was two YEARS before your 1996 trip.  THey were not missing
anymore.  They were known dead, and the diary of one of the dead
divers adrift had been found, detailing his ordeal on the drift
that lasted more than 4 days.
 
The incident had NOTHING to do with any liveaboard or competent
day-trip operation.  It was the result of a day-boat operation
on a boat without a radio, no back up motor -- an accident
waiting to happen, and it did.

> > I stand corrected.  You were whining about the OCEAN Hunter in your
> > original post.  But subsequently, you were whining and slaming the
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> be to understate the fact. I slammed the CAPTAIN, not the diving, not
> the boat, not the R.H.

Okay.  Glad you clarified it.  But you were certainly slaming the
Hunter Fleet, if not directly, then it would be by implication, IMO.

> BTW Ngemelis was one of the best dives we did on that trip, Pyramids
> everywhere.

That would be a different Ngemelis dive.  You won't see any Pyramid
on the Ngemelis Wall dive.  It's nothing but a vertical WALL, which
starts at the surface of the Ngemelis island, with spectacular
undercuts, and drops down to 180 fsw before you see the first ledge.  :-)

> > > > > Got to see Truk (sorry, Chuuk) on the Odyssey last October. Now THAT
> > > > > was some trip!!!! We were taken everywhere.
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> comparison. Palau's wrecks are okay, but the Malakal vis is not up to
> what I saw in Chuuk.

That was your unfortunate one-time experience on the Ocean Hunter
in Palau.  It was neither indicative of liveaboard diving in Palau
nor comparable to diving in Chuuk.  That was my point.

> > > > Also if you review the postings about Truk (Chuuk) liveaboard diving,
> > > > you'll find other liveaboards in Chuuk besides the Odyssey.  The
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> are often printed to try to recover market share, but don't always
> tell the whole truth about their subject. The proof is in the eating.

You mean the proof is in the pudding?  :-)  But your "populatity"
data of your week is hardly typical.  The Thorfinn has been around
for years, and so has the Truk Aggressor.  They could not stay in
business that long with 1 or 6 divers per week.  :)

> > > The
> > > choice of boat is a purely personal one, and I don't always get it
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>  Again, I whined about the captain only. The other Hunter boat flew
> BTW.

We agree about the whine part anyway.  :-)


> > Some people are good at MAKING bad luck for themselves.
>
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> contentious. Enjoy your diving Bob, and I will sure as hell try to
> enjoy mine.

That's a good way to agree on our disagreement.

> Matter of fact, I have a day's diving tomorrow. Lovely cold water,
> only 80ft or so, but better than a day at the office.

I'll be dry till some diving in Nassau and the Caribbean in a couple
of weeks.  I am a confirmed Warm Water Wimp, and am pretty choosy
on where I dive, even in warm water -- as I mentioned in a
different thread, I'll skip the diving in Barbados even though
I'll have all my dive gears.  Reason?  Lousy warm water diving
there. :-)


> Slainte (that's Irish for "to your health")
>
> Seadeuce

Aloha, Shalom, ... bon bini, etc.

Da Feeesh et Le Poisson.
Nigel - 15 Oct 2004 02:00 GMT
> I'll be dry till some diving in Nassau and the Caribbean in a couple
> of weeks.  I am a confirmed Warm Water Wimp, and am pretty choosy
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>  
>Enjoy your trip.
I plan to go to Cuba next May. Gotta see the place before Fidel departs the scene.

Seadeuce
 
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