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none - 18 Aug 2004 15:24 GMT
I am thinking of vacationing in Belize and would like recommendations for a
dive lesson package. Ideally I would like to find one source to coordinate
lodging, lessons, equipment, etc. Cost is important. I am willing to live
and eat like a local, but do not want to sacrifice safety. Your
recommendations will be very much appreciated!
chilly - 18 Aug 2004 17:20 GMT
> I am thinking of vacationing in Belize and would like recommendations for a
> dive lesson package. Ideally I would like to find one source to coordinate
> lodging, lessons, equipment, etc. Cost is important. I am willing to live
> and eat like a local, but do not want to sacrifice safety. Your
> recommendations will be very much appreciated!

It would make it easier for me to help you with a plan if you could tell us
what your budget is?

But in absence of that, I'll suggest you stay at  Lilly's, Ruby's or the
Coral Beach and dive with Amigos del Mar.

How much of a budget are you looking for?  You could stay in nicer digs for
perhaps not much more if you got a dive package vacation with Mayan
Princess.

But why not just start with contacting Amigo's del Mar and tell them what
you want to do and see what lodging and/or package they recommend?
Jason O'Rourke - 18 Aug 2004 20:24 GMT
>I am thinking of vacationing in Belize and would like recommendations for a
>dive lesson package. Ideally I would like to find one source to coordinate
>lodging, lessons, equipment, etc. Cost is important. I am willing to live
>and eat like a local, but do not want to sacrifice safety. Your
>recommendations will be very much appreciated!

If cost is a concern, you would probably be better off going to Cozumel.
Most goods are fairly expensive in Belize, and there are fewer dive operators
competing for your dollar.  

All inclusives in Roatan are very well priced - I stayed for a week of diving
for $599 in an offseason, and friends with me were able to finish OW and do
AOW/Nitrox in the time we were there.  

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chilly - 18 Aug 2004 21:07 GMT
> >I am thinking of vacationing in Belize and would like recommendations for a
> >dive lesson package. Ideally I would like to find one source to coordinate
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> for $599 in an offseason, and friends with me were able to finish OW and do
> AOW/Nitrox in the time we were there.

Good suggestion Jason, vis a vis Roatan.  But let's go one further and
suggest Utila.
None - 19 Aug 2004 02:46 GMT
Thanks for the Cozumel tip. I have considered it. I would like to go to
Belize because I am also scouting it out as a possible place to live for a
while on the cheap.

> > >I am thinking of vacationing in Belize and would like recommendations for
> a
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> Good suggestion Jason, vis a vis Roatan.  But let's go one further and
> suggest Utila.
nospam@all.please.net - 19 Aug 2004 04:46 GMT
> Thanks for the Cozumel tip. I have considered it. I would like to go to
> Belize because I am also scouting it out as a possible place to live for a
> while on the cheap.

Utila.
Joe English - 19 Aug 2004 13:53 GMT
> I am thinking of vacationing in Belize and would like recommendations for a
> dive lesson package. Ideally I would like to find one source to coordinate
> lodging, lessons, equipment, etc. Cost is important. I am willing to live
> and eat like a local, but do not want to sacrifice safety. Your
> recommendations will be very much appreciated!

get certified before you go
None - 19 Aug 2004 23:39 GMT
Can you explain the reasons for getting certified before going?
Is it mainly for time efficiency?

I understand I will be able to spend more time diving, but I think that
learning how will be a fun part of a vacation. I also think learning there
will be cheaper and more fun than learning in a swimming pool and muddy
river near where I live.

> > I am thinking of vacationing in Belize and would like recommendations for a
> > dive lesson package. Ideally I would like to find one source to coordinate
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>
> get certified before you go
Dan Bracuk - 20 Aug 2004 00:17 GMT
"None" <non@non.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Can you explain the reasons for getting certified before going?
:Is it mainly for time efficiency?

There are those that think that doing crappy cold water low vis dives
should be a pre-requisite for doing nice warm water high vis dives.

But it's probably less expensive, if that matters.

Dan Bracuk
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DrYak - 20 Aug 2004 01:30 GMT
The usual suggestion is to do the book and pool work at home and do the
open water dives some where more interesting.  If you're planning to
spend more than a week or so in Belize, you might as well do the whole
thing there.  As someone else suggested, check out Amigos del Mar.

> Can you explain the reasons for getting certified before going?
> Is it mainly for time efficiency?
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>>
>>get certified before you go
Steve - 20 Aug 2004 05:00 GMT
> Can you explain the reasons for getting certified before going?
> Is it mainly for time efficiency?

That and finances.

> I understand I will be able to spend more time diving, but I think that
> learning how will be a fun part of a vacation.

I certainly enjoyed my OW class, but I think it makes more sense to enjoy it at home
(which is where I did mine). The setting may be nicer on vacation, but the class
won't be inherently more fun as a result. You may also meet future dive buddies by
taking the class at home.

 I also think learning there
> will be cheaper and more fun than learning in a swimming pool and muddy
> river near where I live.

You can definitely find places that will get you certified cheaply, but are you sure
you'd want to take the class at those places? Most destination resorts charge more
(sometimes much more) than the local dive shops in most places in the US.
Additionally you'll be paying just to be there. If you use 2 days of a 7 day vacation
to take a class (and you may well have 4 days for the class, meaning about the only
dives of the vacation will be the checkout dives) then the class costs the up front
charge plus the difference between a 5 and 7 night stay. If you're at all worried
about the budget I think it makes much more sense to spend your vacation budget on
the vacation instead of on a chance to sit in a class room (or at a picnic table) in
an exotic location. If you do the class at home and get a referral for the checkout
dives you'll probably pay a little bit more than taking the entire class at a resort,
but you'll only use the mornings of your first and second vacation days, and then you
can spend the entire second afternoon doing recreational dives (assuming you finish
the class and are still ambitious enough to do more diving that day). If you think
you may want to dive whatever waters are available at home sometime in the
not-too-distant future there's a lot to be said for doing the checkout dives at home
even if they aren't quite as much fun. Either way you'll be doing exercises, so you
may as well consider them working dives.

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Rosalie B. - 20 Aug 2004 05:25 GMT
>Can you explain the reasons for getting certified before going?
>Is it mainly for time efficiency?
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>will be cheaper and more fun than learning in a swimming pool and muddy
>river near where I live.

You will have to do some work in a pool or in shallow water in any
case.  That's part of the training.  It is easier to do in a pool, and
if you do it outdoors (either at a pool or beach) you run the risk of
getting sunburned, because of course you can't wear a hat with scuba
equipment very well.  My husband got significant sunburn on his head
when he took his OW course in Cozumel.

So most folks will recommend that you do the pool work at home.  The
reason that my husband did not do that was because he wouldn't take
the time off to do the pool work unless he was far enough away from
the house/boat so as to be free to do something else other than
house/boat/car maintenance.  OTOH, I took the pool work at home and
did the checkout dives in the Virgin Islands.

Some people have other things they want to do with their vacation
other than taking a class.  I'm not sure if I would want to do a class
on vacation.  There is a lot of class work with an OW course.


grandma Rosalie
Chris Guynn - 20 Aug 2004 16:46 GMT
> >Can you explain the reasons for getting certified before going?
> >Is it mainly for time efficiency?
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> equipment very well.  My husband got significant sunburn on his head
> when he took his OW course in Cozumel.

He should have had one of these... http://tinyurl.com/6s6wg :-)
Rosalie B. - 20 Aug 2004 20:53 GMT
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>> You will have to do some work in a pool or in shallow water in any
>> case.  That's part of the training.  It is easier to do in a pool, and
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>
>He should have had one of these... http://tinyurl.com/6s6wg :-)

That won't do him any good if he is standing in the water listening to
the instructor and then has to do a skill underwater.  There's no
place to put a hat when you are in chest deep water off the beach, and
I don't think it will stay on underwater.

grandma Rosalie
chilly - 21 Aug 2004 09:26 GMT
> <snip>
> >>
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> place to put a hat when you are in chest deep water off the beach, and
> I don't think it will stay on underwater.

I have a neoprene ball cap that I wear while diving.  It almost always stays
on under water.  I say almost always because I did lose one in Sipadan but
that was as much because I hadn't put it on properly in the first place.  So
I'd taken it of and was holding it, but I completely forgot about it when I
saw something awesome.  I noticed within a minute or two, but that's all it
took for some manta ray or hammerhead to acquire my hat.  I hope they wore
it with a jaunty air as opposed to eating it and getting bad gas.
Dan Bracuk - 21 Aug 2004 14:16 GMT
"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:
:I have a neoprene ball cap that I wear while diving.  It almost always stays
:on under water.

I am considering a hood to increase protection from floaters.
However, I don't want to add too much heat, if I wanted to do that, I
would wear one of the hoods I own.

My intent is to look around sporting goods or ski shops.  If I see
some sort of hooded top, intended for competitive swimmers or
x-country skiiers, I might buy it.  Depending on fit, etc, I would
either wear it complete, or cut the hood off.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Greg Mossman - 21 Aug 2004 16:53 GMT
> My intent is to look around sporting goods or ski shops.  If I see
> some sort of hooded top, intended for competitive swimmers or
> x-country skiiers, I might buy it.  Depending on fit, etc, I would
> either wear it complete, or cut the hood off.

What about a shower cap?
DrYak - 21 Aug 2004 22:11 GMT
There are also some nylon hoods you can wear.  I find one nice when
diving for a week with water temps in the low 70s.

>>My intent is to look around sporting goods or ski shops.  If I see
>>some sort of hooded top, intended for competitive swimmers or
>>x-country skiiers, I might buy it.  Depending on fit, etc, I would
>>either wear it complete, or cut the hood off.
>
> What about a shower cap?
Dan Bracuk - 22 Aug 2004 00:44 GMT
"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:What about a shower cap?

I want something that goes under my chin.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
nospam@all.please.net - 22 Aug 2004 01:26 GMT
> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> :What about a shower cap?
>
> I want something that goes under my chin.

You want the DIR shower cap necklaced with surgical tubing.
Dillon Pyron - 22 Aug 2004 03:38 GMT
>"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
>in:
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>x-country skiiers, I might buy it.  Depending on fit, etc, I would
>either wear it complete, or cut the hood off.

I wear a spandex cap made by Speedo (the only Speedo my wife will let
me wear :-).  It's a purple "leopard" print and gets easily recognized
in the water.  Carol has a green one, as well as a more plain blue and
green striped cap (or beanie, as we sometimes call them).

I originally used it as a way to tame my pony tail, but those days are
long gone, along with much of the hair.

>Dan Bracuk
>If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
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Chris Guynn - 23 Aug 2004 17:18 GMT
> <snip>
> >>
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> place to put a hat when you are in chest deep water off the beach, and
> I don't think it will stay on underwater.

It will.  My instructor used one on my OW dives.  He had two classes
checking out over the same two days and spent a good amount of time in the
water.

> grandma Rosalie
Greg Mossman - 20 Aug 2004 17:24 GMT
> You will have to do some work in a pool or in shallow water in any
> case.  That's part of the training.  It is easier to do in a pool, and
> if you do it outdoors (either at a pool or beach) you run the risk of
> getting sunburned, because of course you can't wear a hat with scuba
> equipment very well.  My husband got significant sunburn on his head
> when he took his OW course in Cozumel.

Well, yes, you can.  They call them hoods.  Neoprene has been shown to be
just as effective as straw for blocking harmful UV rays.

Or he could try minoxidil.  I never wear a hat in the tropics or hiking all
day in the mountains, yet my head always seems to escape sunburn.

> So most folks will recommend that you do the pool work at home.  The

Yeah, they will.  But I've never heard them say that for the reason you
suggest.

> Some people have other things they want to do with their vacation
> other than taking a class.  I'm not sure if I would want to do a class
> on vacation.  There is a lot of class work with an OW course.

Different people learn in different ways.  The "class" portion of the OW
course can easily be absorbed, by many people at least, by a book, CD-ROM,
and/or video that can be read or watched on the plane trip over when you're
otherwise going to be watching a lousy movie with lots of advertisements or
listening to your fellow traveler, who's lucky enough to be able to sleep on
uncomfortable plane trips, snore happily away.

If one can get good private instruction (assuming cost is no object), and
he's done his homework, the rest of the course will mainly involve
closed-water work and open water dives and for those who enjoy learning and
doing the drills, just as fun a vacation to some as the boredom of sitting
on the beach all day just to get a tan is to others.  I was supposed to get
certified back when I was 12, with my dad in Hawaii.  We were visiting
relatives on the Big Island and had two weeks to kill, so time wasn't a
problem.  Cost was, and dad balked.  I never really forgave him.
Unfortunately, I didn't get the diving bug again until 1999, at the age of
31.  If I had been diving since age 12, I'd be some kind of dive god today
instead of just mere old me.  Naw, I'd probably be dead.  But my head still
wouldn't be sunburned.
chilly - 20 Aug 2004 18:01 GMT
> 31.  If I had been diving since age 12, I'd be some kind of dive god today
> instead of just mere old me.  Naw, I'd probably be dead.  But my head still
> wouldn't be sunburned.

Your head couldn't get sunburned through all that hair you got on there.
Perhaps G Rosalie's husband's pate is a bit sparse.
Greg Mossman - 20 Aug 2004 20:36 GMT
> Your head couldn't get sunburned through all that hair you got on there.
> Perhaps G Rosalie's husband's pate is a bit sparse.

So do you think it's the length or the thickness that makes me the superior
male?
Rosalie B. - 20 Aug 2004 23:21 GMT
>> Your head couldn't get sunburned through all that hair you got on there.
>> Perhaps G Rosalie's husband's pate is a bit sparse.
>
>So do you think it's the length or the thickness that makes me the superior
>male?

Not superior - just hairier on top.

grandma Rosalie
Greg Mossman - 20 Aug 2004 23:57 GMT
> >So do you think it's the length or the thickness that makes me the superior
> >male?
> >
> Not superior - just hairier on top.

Just on top?  I have a very (manly) hairy chest too.
Rosalie B. - 20 Aug 2004 21:39 GMT
>> You will have to do some work in a pool or in shallow water in any
>> case.  That's part of the training.  It is easier to do in a pool, and
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>Well, yes, you can.  They call them hoods.  Neoprene has been shown to be
>just as effective as straw for blocking harmful UV rays.

It was too hot for a hood.  I was diving with just a skin.

>Or he could try minoxidil.  I never wear a hat in the tropics or hiking all
>day in the mountains, yet my head always seems to escape sunburn.

He's partly bald so is more susceptible to sunburn, but enough hair to
make sunscreen or the like pretty messy. (I don't know what minoxidil
is)

>> So most folks will recommend that you do the pool work at home.  The
>
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>listening to your fellow traveler, who's lucky enough to be able to sleep on
>uncomfortable plane trips, snore happily away.

Yes but ---- my husband read my book before he went, and I think he
could have tested out of the knowledge part.  But the instructor
wanted to be thorough, so he had to go through everything again, and
watch the video tapes etc, and then of course do the skill work.

>If one can get good private instruction (assuming cost is no object), and
>he's done his homework, the rest of the course will mainly involve
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>instead of just mere old me.  Naw, I'd probably be dead.  But my head still
>wouldn't be sunburned.

I wasn't saying that was the reason not to take it at the beach - it
was just one consideration that maybe he hadn't thought about.  I
don't get my head sunburnt either.

I took my first course when I was 30, and then didn't dive again until
I was 58/59 (pool work when 58 and then OW work when 59)

grandma Rosalie
chilly - 20 Aug 2004 06:41 GMT
> Can you explain the reasons for getting certified before going?

First, there may be an economy (there may not be also, I'll explain further
down). Second, learning to dive in a more difficult environment will make
you even more prepared to enjoy the Caribbean waters.

> Is it mainly for time efficiency?

That too.  Who wants to waste any vacation time actually studying or sitting
inside taking a class?

> I understand I will be able to spend more time diving, but I think that
> learning how will be a fun part of a vacation.

It could be, but learning how to dive properly is important and something
that shouldn't be considered as a vacation experience, to my mind.

>I also think learning there
> will be cheaper and more fun than learning in a swimming pool and muddy
> river near where I live.

Potentially, but learning how to dive properly and over a more extended
period than a couple of days, actually instills the knowledge and skills
better than a 2 day course, whether you take that short time course at home
or away.

Now all that said, there are certain places that you can travel to, where if
you take the lessons and stay at the lodging of the operator's choice, you
can get one helluva deal.  The acco can work out to virtually nothing.  In
this regard, I refer to places like Utila and Koh Tao.

How long do you plan to be away?  If only a week or two, and you aren't
leaving right away, I'd take my training at home.  You won't regret that
decision.  If you are going for an extended vacation, then taking your
training in conjunction with getting a real deal on your acco, then, heck .
. why not?

> > > I am thinking of vacationing in Belize and would like recommendations
> for a
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> >
> > get certified before you go
 
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