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Cheryl Mire - 15 Aug 2004 17:52 GMT
I have posted a trip report and photos at
http://www.rummelraiders.com/webbies/cmire/cayman05/cindex.htm

TRIP REPORT TEXT:
In the summer of 1999, we made our first dive trip to the Cayman
Islands, visiting the sister island Cayman Brac.  That trip report was
entitled, "It was the best of times; it was the worst of times."  This
summer, we made a return visit, this time to Grand Cayman, and I think
the title of that first trip report may actually be a theme for all of
our Cayman experiences.

Our travel experience this year was pleasantly less stressful than
most of our other adventures.  All arrangements were handled by
Caribbean Dive Shop, and we once again had the pleasure of traveling
with our certifying dive masters, Dave and Sunday Delger.  Airport
security, both in New Orleans and in Miami, seems to be handled more
professionally and courteously these days.  Only on the return flight
check-in at Grand Cayman did we stumble on an inspector determined to
peruse every single compartment of our check luggage, from smelly
wetsuits to a week of dirty laundry.  He was polite -- and maybe even
downright heroic considering his task.  American Airlines and the
Miami airport are well known to us although not preferred.  As with
most carriers these days, American offers no food and not much in the
way of beverages.  Luckily, we do know about the great Cuban food in
the Miami airport, so we were able to have two delightful meals during
our layovers.

The arrangements from New Orleans to the Caymans placed us at the
resort for early afternoon, an unusual treat since we are used to
arriving late and struggling to make dinner before the resort
restaurant closes.  Cobalt Coast Resort is located on the less visited
Northwest corner of the island. Our group of 28 guests took over most
of the property and the two dive boats for the entire week.  The rooms
are primarily upper level ocean view, but a few rooms are ground level
on the parking lot side (they call these garden view).  On both
corners of the resort main building, the upper and lower level
accommodations are actually suites.  We had been told that we signed
on to the trip too late to get ocean view rooms, so we were very
pleased to see that our room was one of the lower level ocean view
suites.  Our friends, Pat and Suzanne McKinney were envious because
they had been placed in a room with only one double bed, clearly
accommodations suitable for a single guest rather than two.  A quick
switch was made with one of our single travelers and our friends,
although not as fortunate as we were, did end up in a more suitable
room.

My husband Ory and the McKinneys headed out for a quick shore dive,
mostly so that Pat, who had not been diving in a couple of years,
could check out his weights and review some skills before our first
boat dive.  Since I never really feel I've arrived until every piece
of luggage is unpacked and stowed, I chose to remain behind in our
magnificent room.  As I worked, I began to sweat, but I know Caribbean
hotel rooms are notoriously hot the first day until the
air-conditioning really kicks in.  Then I really began to sweat, and
the air-conditioning had no controls or visible thermostat.  At that
point, I had the first of many conversations with Arie, a lovely man
who manages the resort and truly tries to please everyone.  He told me
that the compressor had been replaced the day before and that the
installer had just made a few adjustment which should make the room
cool off by morning.  I was willing to give him the benefit of the
doubt.  When Ory and the McKinneys returned from a rather difficult
shore dive, expecting to relax in our living room before dinner, they
noticed immediately that we had virtually no air-conditioning except
in the bedroom, and even that was minimal.  So, I spoke with Arie
again and assured him that the room was not getting any cooler, and he
had the installer come back to the resort to set the thermostat even
lower.

After about thirty minutes in my tropical bedroom, my evil twin took
over and I tracked down poor Arie once again and voiced my
frustration.  He showed me another room which we could sleep in for
the night, assuring me that he would have a real solution in the
morning.  Exhaustion was setting in, so I chose instead to return to
my own room for the night, and I did manage to get some sleep.  In the
morning, Arie offered to have our belongings moved to another full
suite on the opposite side of the property, where he knew the
air-conditioning was functioning at full force.  We accepted the offer
and, for the remainder of our stay, enjoyed the most comfortable
accommodations we have ever had on a dive trip.

In fact, Cobalt Coast resort was truly a highlight of our Scuba trip.
Arie and Dora as well as their entire staff were anxious to fill our
every request.  Since our package was an all-inclusive one, we ate all
of our meals at the resort.  Breakfast was a buffet of scrambled eggs
with a variety of meat and/or bread accompaniments.  Some days
pancakes or French toast added further choices to the morning fare.
Fresh fruit and juice were always present.  The buffet was served
promptly at 7 a.m. with coffee available usually by 6:30.  The room
also provided a fully equipped coffee maker.  The buffet arrangement
or eating a quick continental breakfast was the only way to make the
first dive feasible.

Lunch alternated between buffet style or menu orders.  This variation
expanded the somewhat limited menu items.  Nevertheless, the Caesar
salad with chicken was so good I could have ordered it every day.  On
days when we ordered from the menu for lunch, the evening meal was
served buffet style, usually with a hot soup, salad, plentiful entries
and side dishes with dessert.  The last night we even had fine steaks
grilled to order included with the buffet meal.  When we had a buffet
style lunch, ordering from the dinner menu afforded a choice of
appetizer/soup or salad with an entree and dessert.  The chocolate
pecan cheesecake was a favorite of the guys.  All of the fish
selections were excellent.  We should have passed on the cold apple
soup, which sounded intriguing but which tasted dreadful.

Our dive arrangements included two boat dives in the morning with the
opportunity for shore dives at virtually any hour day or night.  We
took advantage of a special Nitrox package on our boat dives, and
after a first day of short filled tanks, we were fairly satisfied with
the Nitrox arrangement.  It should be mentioned that one day, the boat
had 4 Nitrox tanks very underfilled and not enough tanks were on board
for everyone to get a second dive with Nitrox.  They did credit us for
the loss of one tank on our bill.  The McKinneys have their own Nitrox
gauge for testing, so it did not bother us when the boat gauge pooped
out for lack of a fresh battery.  The attention to details such as
this at Dive Tech ran the gamut from simple inconvenience to very
troublesome.  One day, only one container of water was on board, and
we ran out of drinking water shortly after the first dive.  The crew
tried to blame the situation on the number of divers who brought
bottles on board for refill rather than drinking from the tiny paper
cups provided.  Our group is composed of experienced divers, many of
whom began diving in their late 40's or 50's.  Hydration isn't just
something we read about in an instruction manual.  We depend on it to
continue diving.  It is not uncommon for me to drink two full liters
of water during a morning of diving.  And, yes, I know what
dehydration feels like.

For me, the most annoying day diving with Dive Tech was that first
day.  Besides the Nitrox problems, the boat was smoking badly,
obviously needing engine service.  Before I realized it, I had inhaled
so many fumes I became nauseous and had to sit out the second dive.
Five other divers also donated breakfast to the fish and began popping
dramamine.  The slightly rough surf and truly lousy ladder into the
boat did nothing to help the situation.  Later in the week, the engine
finally overheated so much that they were forced to take the boat into
drydock for repairs.  The day that happened, alarms went off and a mad
scramble ensued as the "camera table" had to be removed to provide
access to the badly overheated engine.  We lucked out in more ways
than one that time because we got to use another dive operation's
boats.  They had two excellent ladders, plenty of water and a gracious
crewman on board who actually helped us get out of the water.

Which brings me to the staff of Dive Tech... Now, I love the Brits as
much as anyone, but I have never been to a British influenced
Caribbean location without encountering the undeniable ATTITUDE.  I
think our boat was even called the Attitude!  At one point, our dive
master pointed out that the only time the Americans were friends with
the English was when we needed them to fight a war.  I guess he forgot
about that little skirmish in the 1940's when we rescued their bloody
Royal a.ses.  Why do I feel this way about the staff at Dive Tech?
I'll work at being brief.

Although I hate being dependent on anyone, I have been forced in
recent years to take special care not to strain the vertebrae in my
neck, so I take my gear off in the water.  I told the dive staff in
advance that I would need assistance, and I am accustomed to tipping
for the extra service.  Other dive resorts have led me to believe this
is a perfectly acceptable request as long as the staff is notified by
the diver in advance of the dive.  When the DiveTech staff did
retrieve my BC and tank from the water, they dumped it on the end of
the boat and barked at me to move it out of the way once I was on
board.  Duh!!  There's a reason I had them lift it into the boat, and
that certainly precludes me hauling it to the other end of the boat.  
On more than one occasion, other divers on the boat ended up providing
more service than the crew.

You macho types out there are probably reading this thinking Dive Tech
would be fine for you.  Be prepared to limit your dives to 40 minutes;
that's right 40 minutes on the first dive and 50 on the second.
Actually, nearly every dive was less than 45 minutes, and I was
returning to the boat with 1500 psi or more.  The shallow dives
offered virtually no areas shallower than 65 feet, so although you had
plenty of air and energy, you had loaded up on so much nitrogen on the
first dive of the day that your second dive was self-limiting.  We
figure the shortened dive time was by design because you were spending
so much time on the morning dives that the crew struggled to get you
back in time for lunch at 1:00 or 1:30.  What took so long?  Well,
first there's the bus ride to the boat dock.  That nice long dock off
the resort is useless.  It's a shallow area and the sea can be quite
choppy on that end of the island, so every morning at 7:50 (remember
my comments about the need for a buffet style breakfast) you had to
bag up your own gear and load it in a pickup.  Then you boarded a van
and trucked over to the real boat dock about 10 minutes away.  Then
you hauled your own gear from the truck to the boat.  That process
repeated itself at the end of the dive -- every day.  Needless to say,
we slept quite well at the end of our dive day.  And that doesn't even
take into account the day the van broke down before we could leave the
dock to return for lunch.  Our ever so gracious dive master told us to
get out and wait for the other van to return.  Meanwhile, he got a
push down the road and sat in the van under a shade tree.  As for the
other facilities provided by Dive Tech, particular mention should be
made of the rinse tanks.  Goodness, did I use a plural there?  I
should have said TANK because there was one very tiny tank of dirty
water for all the divers at the resort to rinse their gear morning and
afternoon.  A large trash can of water was their idea of a camera
rinse tank.  Luckily, our room had a tub, which of course became our
personal rinse tank as the week wore on and our wetsuits became more
aromatic.

So how was the diving?  Well, I was not overly impressed with Cayman
diving on my first trip, but I would have to say that Little Cayman
and even Cayman Brac are superior to Grand Cayman.  As I've already
said, the diving tends to be deep and deeper, which isn't necessarily
the best environment for photography.  We did see more Eagle Rays at
Gail's Pinnacle this trip than in our previous seven years of diving.
They swam close enough for photos, and we were suitably thrilled.  On
one dive Ory and Pat stumbled on a Nurse Shark in a bit of a feeding
frenzy, competing with a Grouper for his share of another large fish.
The guys shot a barely distinguishable picture of the event and then
got the hell out of Dodge.   Suzanne and I ventured out on our own on
one dive and spent far too much time watching a giant lobster scratch
his back on the coral -- that was way cool even if we did have to make
a long swim back to the boat only to be welcomed by our glaring dive
masters.  My favorite Brit jumped into the water to rescue me when I
was about 10 yards from the boat.  When he reached me, I told him I
was fine and I still had 1800 PSI of air, but if he wanted to feel
useful, he could haul my camera back to the boat.  It was the most
assistance I got from him the entire trip.  The rest of the fish life
was pretty standard fare, lots of Angelfish and the required number of
turtles.  Turtle Reef and the reef outside the resort offered some of
the most lush coral vegetation and plentiful fishlife.  We saw tarpon
and very large grouper at Turtle Reef, which should not be missed
although it is ridiculously crowded and proves to be a challenging
entry.  We explored the reef outside the resort a few times, and were
never disappointed.  Hauling the gear down the long dock took its toll
on my back, but I got my best pictures on those dives.  My strobe
malfunctioned for most of the trip, so I was reduced to ambient light
on most shots.  Luckily, my three companions were all shooting away
with their own digital cameras.  We left some fairly bug-eyed fish on
those reefs.

We had fun in town on the last day, and yes we did buy duty-free J E W
E L R Y.  We also got to hang out at the resort on our travel day and
have a leisurely breakfast before heading to the airport at
mid-morning.  Our usual return arrangements involve a before dawn exit
with barely a cup of coffee and a crust of bread, so this was truly a
treat.  Arie came out to tell us all farewell and invite us to pay a
return visit.  Although I loved the resort and appreciated all of
Arie's efforts, I have decided that the Cayman Islands are a good
place for people to shelter their financial resources but not a good
place for me to see fish.  The Caymans have joined the Bahamas on my
list of places where the attitude of personnel is too discouraging to
merit a return visit.  Bonaire and Honduras are far more pleasant
venues and they will get a piece of my financial resources on future
dive trips.
Greg Mossman - 15 Aug 2004 19:28 GMT
> The Caymans have joined the Bahamas on my
> list of places where the attitude of personnel is too discouraging to
> merit a return visit.  Bonaire and Honduras are far more pleasant
> venues and they will get a piece of my financial resources on future
> dive trips.

Interesting.  I've been to Grand Cayman twice in the past couple years and
can't say that I noticed much of an attitude from anyone except for a few of
the folks at DiveTech but I even managed to warm a few of their cold hearts
after talking a bit, all except for the cute blonde at their Turtle Farm
shop.  But I just stopped in for tank/weight rentals and they provided that
service just fine.  For a shore diver, the cooler of ice water with the
little paper cups, the showers, and the rinse tanks, even if they weren't
entirely pure, are a nice amenity to go with the expensive tank and
weight-by-the-pound rentals.  They even left tanks out for us to do a night
dive after the shop had closed, which we followed up with a few drinks at
the Cracked Conch's outdoor bar, where a cockatoo made its way over to me,
climbed up to my shoulder, and danced.  I'll be back.
Cheryl Mire - 16 Aug 2004 00:39 GMT
That little rinse tank you consider a convenience was the only rinse
tank for a resort of 40 divers being taken out on 4 boat dives a day.

> > The Caymans have joined the Bahamas on my
> > list of places where the attitude of personnel is too discouraging to
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> the Cracked Conch's outdoor bar, where a cockatoo made its way over to me,
> climbed up to my shoulder, and danced.  I'll be back.
Luca Rossetti - 16 Aug 2004 18:32 GMT
> That little rinse tank you consider a convenience was the only rinse
> tank for a resort of 40 divers being taken out on 4 boat dives a day.

You don't need to rinse your gear after every dive. On the liveaboards you
have dived from how often have you rinsed you gear between dives? Probably
about as much as most of us...which is never. The gear is no worse for wear
or damaged if left unrinsed between daily dives.

If 40 divers making 4 dives per day are rinsing their gear every time the
boat returns to the dock then it is they who are wrong, not the dive shop.
It appears to me that one rinse tank is enough capacity for divers rinsing
their gear for the return trip home.
Tim - 16 Aug 2004 18:56 GMT
Luca,

The QUALITY divers that I dive with, on Little Cayman, rinse all their gear,
except fins, after EACH dive day, but certainly not after each dive.

I would worry a bit about the equipment reliability of a diver who didn't
rinse each day. I don't mean a 10 minute scrubbing though, a quick dunk and
swish is fine for most gear.

The wet suit is a different story. Wet suits get VERY gross if not rinsed
each day. It is simply common curtsy to rise the suit. The process ought to
be something like, let them sit in the water for a minute or so, squeeze and
swish around a bit, lift out and put back in for a few seconds, then take to
hang up.

A single rinse tank is alright for dozens of divers, if dumped and refilled
sometimes during the day. Cheryl, do you mean 40 divers hit the tank at the
SAME MOMENT? That would be too much, but I'm guessing you mean 40 divers
over the course of a couple of hours. -- Should work.

Tim

> > That little rinse tank you consider a convenience was the only rinse
> > tank for a resort of 40 divers being taken out on 4 boat dives a day.
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> It appears to me that one rinse tank is enough capacity for divers rinsing
> their gear for the return trip home.
Dan Bracuk - 16 Aug 2004 22:58 GMT
"Tim" <tim@check.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:I would worry a bit about the equipment reliability of a diver who didn't
:rinse each day. I don't mean a 10 minute scrubbing though, a quick dunk and
:swish is fine for most gear.

Ever been on a liveaboard?  If so, how often did you rinse your gear?

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Luca Rossetti - 16 Aug 2004 23:18 GMT
> Luca,
>
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>
> Tim

To be perfectly blunt, I think it is stupid to believe a dunk and swish will
have any effect on the reliability of your gear during a diving trip or
vacation in which daily dives are the norm. What will have some effect on
the reliability of your gear is how you clean, rinse and dry it before short
or long term storage. But, feel free to dunk and swish if it makes you feel
good, cause that means I'll get to the warm cookie tray before you do :^)

And now I await all the complaints from divers that Aggressors, Dancers,
Nektons, Balls, Telita, Ocean Rover, Lammer Law....(well you get the idea)
don't have rinse tanks for daily "dunk and swish". And we know from your
implication above, that absent that complaint they must be like me...an
UNQUALITY diver :^)
Tim - 17 Aug 2004 04:31 GMT
WRONG!!!

If you can't rinse, you can't, but if you CAN, and DON'T, well ...

Have another cookie, Porky!

> To be perfectly blunt, I think it is stupid to believe a dunk and swish will
> have any effect on the reliability of your gear during a diving trip or
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> implication above, that absent that complaint they must be like me...an
> UNQUALITY diver :^)
Cheryl Mire - 17 Aug 2004 00:35 GMT
Two boats went out for two morning dives.  For us that represented
about 26 divers.  Then one or two boats went out for a morning dive
and that number varied.  Meanwhile various people were doing shore
dives throughout the day.  The rinse tank was about 5ft x 3ft.  So
after the morning boat dives, all 26 of us had that tank to dunk the
BC,Reg and Wet suits.  At least 17 of us had camera rigs and there was
one garbage can for that.  When I did shore dives in the afternoon,
the water in the tank was absolutely putrid.

I rinse my stuff at the end of the dive day and I usually take my
wetsuit back to the room at least once during the dive week for a good
rinse in the shower.

I've been to CocoView, Laguna Beach (Utila), Divi in Bonaire and
Cayman Brac -- in Honduras we had one rinse tank per boat and the
water was refilled at mid-day.  At the Divi, they dunk your gear and
you have rinse tanks for the suits.
All of those places have full tubs for camera rinsing as well.

The fumes on the boat, the broken down engine, the head on the boat
which should have worked but they just hadn't gotten around to
repairing it, the lack of adequate drinking water on the boat paint a
consistent picture of an operation that just isn't up to snuff.  It is
in stark contrast to the resort itself which is immaculate and
courteous.

And then there are those lovely 40 minute dives where practically the
whole boat is diving Nitrox and coming back with 1500 PSI (guys with
less of course <g>)

> Luca,
>
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> > It appears to me that one rinse tank is enough capacity for divers rinsing
> > their gear for the return trip home.
Dan Bracuk - 17 Aug 2004 01:02 GMT
cmire@bellsouth.net (Cheryl Mire) pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:Two boats went out for two morning dives.  For us that represented
:about 26 divers.  

I find it remarkable that 26 divers, or is that 28?, were all able to
get time off work at the same time.

Have you ever considered Nekton Cruises?  They can accomodate a group
your size and you can still gets lotsa diving in.

Then you can rinse your gear out at the end of the week.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Cheryl Mire - 18 Aug 2004 00:24 GMT
Well, actually we had 28, but two didn't dive.  The previous summer
the dive shop brought 34 to Bonaire.  At Mardi Gras, they often bring
25+

> cmire@bellsouth.net (Cheryl Mire) pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
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> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
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Ed - 17 Aug 2004 16:26 GMT
   I have used dive Tech on at least 10 different trips (somewhere
around 150 dives) and NEVER had a dive limited by time.  Additionally, I
have never talked to anyone that has been limited by time.  Did your
group need to be back at Cobalt Coast by a certain time for lunch?

Ed

>Two boats went out for two morning dives.  For us that represented
>about 26 divers.  Then one or two boats went out for a morning dive
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Cheryl Mire - 18 Aug 2004 00:28 GMT
NOPE.  Even with the 40 minutes limit, it was usually 1:00 or 1:30
before we got back to the resort.  Lots of time in the van and riding
in the boat.

> I have used dive Tech on at least 10 different trips (somewhere
> around 150 dives) and NEVER had a dive limited by time.  Additionally, I
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Cheryl Mire - 17 Aug 2004 00:38 GMT
A picture of the rinse tank is posted at
http://www.rummelraiders.com/webbies/cmire/cayman05/topside/pages/top_11.htm
There's a lawn chair next to it and the garbage can which served as
camera rinse.  Size does matter, guys.  (Couldn't resist that one.)

> Luca,
>
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> > It appears to me that one rinse tank is enough capacity for divers rinsing
> > their gear for the return trip home.
lance smith - 17 Aug 2004 18:40 GMT
> most of our other adventures.  All arrangements were handled by
> Caribbean Dive Shop, and we once again had the pleasure of traveling
> with our certifying dive masters, Dave and Sunday Delger.  Airport

Did you google rec.scuba.locations before you went? I do so before all
my trips to get the low-down on locals. It doesn't work for organized
tours of course.... but traveling in small self-organized groups gives
you flexibilty (and some stress : )

> Northwest corner of the island. Our group of 28 guests took over most
> of the property and the two dive boats for the entire week.  The rooms
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> much as anyone, but I have never been to a British influenced
> Caribbean location without encountering the undeniable ATTITUDE.  I

Perhaps this is a source of some attitude? I've never encountered any
sort of people issues on my trips. But I am low maintainance do not
-expect- great air conditioners in the tropics.


> Be prepared to limit your dives to 40 minutes;
> that's right 40 minutes on the first dive and 50 on the second.
> Actually, nearly every dive was less than 45 minutes, and I was
> returning to the boat with 1500 psi or more.  

Good to know.

> place for me to see fish.  The Caymans have joined the Bahamas on my
> list of places where the attitude of personnel is too discouraging to
> merit a return visit.  Bonaire and Honduras are far more pleasant
> venues and they will get a piece of my financial resources on future
> dive trips.

I found the Caymanians to be very nice people (stop by the post office
in Gun Bay and you'll see what I mean!). I wouldn't say the diving is
the best but it is good and I'd recommend the island to others.

-lance smith
Greg Mossman - 17 Aug 2004 19:33 GMT
> Perhaps this is a source of some attitude? I've never encountered any
> sort of people issues on my trips. But I am low maintainance do not
> -expect- great air conditioners in the tropics.

But that's precisely when they're most needed.
Chris Guynn - 17 Aug 2004 20:46 GMT
> > Perhaps this is a source of some attitude? I've never encountered any
> > sort of people issues on my trips. But I am low maintainance do not
> > -expect- great air conditioners in the tropics.
>
> But that's precisely when they're most needed.

Isn't that why they installed beaches and a breeze?
Greg Mossman - 18 Aug 2004 00:49 GMT
> Isn't that why they installed beaches and a breeze?

Sometimes that can be enough.  However, sometimes the best diving is in the
"off" season, when the sun bakes and the wind stops blowing.

I fondly recall one night in Palau.  We were sitting around the pool at
close to midnight, drinking the ice-cold VB our Australian friends had the
foresight to stash in a cooler behind the bar for after closing time.
Though it was in the upper 90s, the breeze was enough to keep us cool even
though the canned beer would acclimate to 'room temperature' within two
minutes after removal from the ice.  Then the wind suddenly stopped.  The
beads of sweat started dripping down my forehead even though the only
motions I made were to put can to mouth and can to table and back again.  It
was midnight and it was exceedingly uncomfortable.  The party was over and
we all went to bed in our air-conditioned rooms.

(I only recall this "fondly" because we dove Blue Corner the next day.  The
death of the wind meant that the off-season typhoon that had nicked us was
finally over and we could leave the confines of the reef and dive the
"really good sh.t".  Thanks to the lack of A/C out by the pool we were
forced to adjourn early so I could appreciate the incredible dive site the
next morning without too severe a hangover.  Had the rooms lacked A/C I
surely would have committed suicide before sunup.)
Chris Guynn - 18 Aug 2004 16:07 GMT
> > Isn't that why they installed beaches and a breeze?
>
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> was midnight and it was exceedingly uncomfortable.  The party was over and
> we all went to bed in our air-conditioned rooms.

hopefully, someday, I can have fun stories like that of my adventures in
"paradise"
Greg Mossman - 18 Aug 2004 18:11 GMT
> > I fondly recall one night in Palau.  We were sitting around the pool at
> > close to midnight, drinking the ice-cold VB our Australian friends had the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> hopefully, someday, I can have fun stories like that of my adventures in
> "paradise"

Who needs paradise?  You live in Texas where it's just as hot and humid.
Chris Guynn - 18 Aug 2004 19:14 GMT
> > > I fondly recall one night in Palau.  We were sitting around the pool at
> > > close to midnight, drinking the ice-cold VB our Australian friends had
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Who needs paradise?  You live in Texas where it's just as hot and humid.

Actually, the part of Texas I live in is nowhere near as humid (generally
around 20-30%).  Besides, I don't get to get up after a night of drinking
and do an awesome dive.  I'm stuck with muddy lakes and a shallow (25' max)
pool.
Greg Mossman - 18 Aug 2004 21:33 GMT
> Actually, the part of Texas I live in is nowhere near as humid (generally
> around 20-30%).  Besides, I don't get to get up after a night of drinking
> and do an awesome dive.  I'm stuck with muddy lakes and a shallow (25' max)
> pool.

Trust me, if you're hungover enough it's all the same.  Actually, some of
the really bad lake dives (out here we have beautiful Lake Perris) are much
better when severely hungover if you're hallucinating properly.  I've seen
some weird sh.t down there, too shallow to be narced.

And before we did the awesome dive, we had to be in class at 7 a.m. for two
hours learning how to sell Palau to, say, people who live in non-humid parts
of Texas.  It was a 'fam' trip and that was our penance for getting an
incredible cost on the package.  Then we had to take a van to the dive shop,
lugging our gear all the way in the heat, then an hour-long boat ride to the
dive site (though, admittedly, there are worse boat rides than those that
course through the rock islands).  And then after the tease of one
incredible dive, we were told we had to leave to snorkel with dolphins
rather than do a second dive there.  Life isn't always easy.  Did you know
that those dolphins crap on you while you're in the water with them?
Dan Bracuk - 19 Aug 2004 00:41 GMT
"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
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: Did you know
:that those dolphins crap on you while you're in the water with them?

Not on all of us.

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Greg Mossman - 19 Aug 2004 01:10 GMT
> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> : Did you know
> :that those dolphins crap on you while you're in the water with them?
>
> Not on all of us.

You probably experienced starving oppressed dolphins.  Mine were very well
fed.
Chris Guynn - 19 Aug 2004 21:29 GMT
> > Actually, the part of Texas I live in is nowhere near as humid (generally
> > around 20-30%).  Besides, I don't get to get up after a night of drinking
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Trust me, if you're hungover enough it's all the same.  Actually, some of
> the really bad lake dives (out here we have beautiful Lake Perris)

Any idea how it compares to Lake Travis?

> are much
> better when severely hungover if you're hallucinating properly.

I can't say that I've ever been hung over enough to hallucinate... I gotta
try harder.

> And before we did the awesome dive, we had to be in class at 7 a.m. for two
> hours learning how to sell Palau to, say, people who live in non-humid parts
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> rather than do a second dive there.  Life isn't always easy.  Did you know
> that those dolphins crap on you while you're in the water with them?

Who's the whiner now Mr. Tough Guy Who Can't Deal With a Little Dolphin Poo?
Greg Mossman - 19 Aug 2004 22:22 GMT
> Any idea how it compares to Lake Travis?

It's a pond in comparison.  Lake Travis is big.

> I can't say that I've ever been hung over enough to hallucinate... I gotta
> try harder.

I suppose so.

> Who's the whiner now Mr. Tough Guy Who Can't Deal With a Little Dolphin Poo?

I've never minded seeing parrotfish crap all over the place.  But dolphins
are large animals.  Just because you Texans walk around in manure all day
and all the septic tanks in Florida are overflowing doesn't mean the rest of
the U.S. appreciates it.
Steve - 20 Aug 2004 05:12 GMT
> And before we did the awesome dive, we had to be in class at 7 a.m. for two
> hours learning how to sell Palau to, say, people who live in non-humid parts
> of Texas.

How incredibly uncivilized. The 7 AM part, that is. Other than the crowds and the
full airplanes there's nothing uncivilized about learning to sell trips to people
from Texas.

> Then we had to take a van to the dive shop,

How barbaric. I thought you went out with Sam's, but I'm assuming they wouldn't have
made you take a van.

> then an hour-long boat ride to the
> dive site (though, admittedly, there are worse boat rides than those that
> course through the rock islands).

For at least the first 5 days the boat ride is almost as good as the diving, though
the ride back is far better. Of course I wasn't foolish enough to have a hangover for
the boat ride. Any chance you did Devilfish City? That's an hour north, and the ride
isn't nearly as scenic.

> Did you know
> that those dolphins crap on you while you're in the water with them?

Spot, the dolphin we dove with in Cayman Brac, got a hard on while we were 3 feet
apart. I didn't get anything on me, but I've heard stories <shudder>, and it was a
traumatic emotional experience.

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Greg Mossman - 20 Aug 2004 05:43 GMT
> How incredibly uncivilized. The 7 AM part, that is. Other than the crowds and the
> full airplanes there's nothing uncivilized about learning to sell trips to people
> from Texas.

At least the classroom (a meeting room at the PPR) was very air-conditioned.
And we got free water and chocolate candies.

> > Then we had to take a van to the dive shop,
>
> How barbaric. I thought you went out with Sam's, but I'm assuming they wouldn't have
> made you take a van.

Nope.  We used Neco Marine and it was actually more of a bus.  We did visit
Sam's, the one day it was raining the hardest I've ever seen it rain in my
life (and I lived in Seattle over 5 years).  The bus driver tried to fit the
bus under the overhead and almost made it as we ran out in the drenching
storm.  But we dove with Neco and the day before we got to go out of the
lagoon to Blue Corner, watched a couple of Sam's boats make it through the
cut without flipping.  Our Neco guides were too cautious, however, so we
stayed inside.  Had the Sam's boats actually dumped their boats, I would be
filled with a little less remorse, but instead we jealously watched them
enjoying a 5-star dive site while we did a 3-star inside, and then had to
cut our dive day short the next day to see fecal-engorged dolphins when the
weather finally calmed enough for Neco to chance their boats outside the
reef.

> For at least the first 5 days the boat ride is almost as good as the diving, though
> the ride back is far better. Of course I wasn't foolish enough to have a hangover for
> the boat ride. Any chance you did Devilfish City? That's an hour north, and the ride
> isn't nearly as scenic.

Nope.  We stayed in the lagoon for the first three typhoon-ruined days,
doing German Channel, Turtle Cove, Ngemelis Wall, the Helmut wreck, Big Drop
Off, Short Drop Off, New Drop Off, Chandelier Cave, a snorkel in
Mandarinfish Lake (where I did a quick solo dive down to 70' to
unsuccessfully try to find my snorkel which had fallen off my mask), a
snorkel in Jellyfish Lake, and finally on the fourth day, a dive at Blue
Corner, after which we had lunch and snorkeled a bit over the Blue Holes,
and then hit the dolphin experience for a tour, feeding, and snorkel.  In
between (and a lot on the fifth day) we managed to visit several hotels, a
couple liveaboards, a couple other dive ops, restaurants, museums, and have
dinner with the president.  All in 6 days total.  But since it was
practically free, who's counting?

Next time, which I'm hoping will be in 2006, I'll be a bit more relaxed and
hopefully typhoon-free.  I might not get to eat with the prez again, though,
and it will certainly eat a bigger chunk out of my pocketbook.

> Spot, the dolphin we dove with in Cayman Brac, got a hard on while we were 3 feet
> apart. I didn't get anything on me, but I've heard stories <shudder>, and it was a
> traumatic emotional experience.

I feel for you man.  Somehow these creatures have to be stopped.
Steve - 20 Aug 2004 19:37 GMT
> At least the classroom (a meeting room at the PPR) was very air-conditioned.
> And we got free water and chocolate candies.

Free water! Now there's a perk. Were the chocolates the same ones they put on your
pillow? It's a nice touch, but I've had much better stuff in a wrapper that says
Hershey or Nestle.

> Nope.  We used Neco Marine and it was actually more of a bus.

One of the conveniences of the PPR/Sam's pairing is just walking down to the dock in
the morning and getting a boat ride over to the shop. We sometimes rode a van back at
the end of the day, but it wasn't inconvenient.

  We did visit
> Sam's, the one day it was raining the hardest I've ever seen it rain in my
> life (and I lived in Seattle over 5 years).  The bus driver tried to fit the
> bus under the overhead and almost made it as we ran out in the drenching
> storm.

We didn't have any stormy weather, but we did have some very impressive rain a couple
of days. Fortunately, torrential rain doesn't really bother me much when I'm wearing
a polartec diveskin.

  But we dove with Neco and the day before we got to go out of the
> lagoon to Blue Corner, watched a couple of Sam's boats make it through the
> cut without flipping.  Our Neco guides were too cautious, however, so we
> stayed inside.

I think I'd be content with that strategy. It would suck to go to Palau and not dive
Blue Corner, especially on a first trip, but I could have done Big Dropoff every day
and been pretty happy. During bad weather it's probably rougher, but I'd have been
glad to go back to Ulong Channel again. Blue Corner was a great spot, of course, but
I wouldn't list any of the dives there as a singular highlight of the trip. The 20
seconds of being overflown by at least 20 Devil Rays was a special moment, though.

  Had the Sam's boats actually dumped their boats, I would be
> filled with a little less remorse,

Without having been there I can't say how I'd really feel, but I'm usually willing to
trust the boat driver. OTOH, there were two boatingmishaps that we know of
immediately before and during our trip. Both involved boats being driven right into
one of the Rock Islands. Now, I'll concede that there *are* an awful lot of Rock
Islands. I mean they're all over the place. Still, they're pretty easy to see, mostly
stay right where they are, and virtually never suddenly jump sideways or pop up out
of the water. I'm a bit puzzled how two people managed to just drive right into the
in a short preriod of time. Only one of them was a dive boat, BTW. At least the guy
who was by himself had the excuse that while he was distracted there wasn't another
set of eyes to watch the islands. How a boat can have 6 or 8 divers in addition to
the driver and nobody see's it coming is a bit of a mystery.

> Nope.  We stayed in the lagoon for the first three typhoon-ruined days,

Your timing obviously sucked. You'll certainly want to plan your next trip a bit
differently. I highly recommewnd a trip to Devilfish City, but that's because we had
a very good dive there. Our first dive was a bit ho-hum, and if the second had been a
repeat, I'd probably be saying not to waste your time. As a reef dive there are much
better choices, but for us it was a much better place for mantas than our dive at
German Channel. We saw 4 at German Channel, but only for a short time, and mostly
from 20 to 30 feet away. On our second dive at devilfish City we saw 4 mantas and 1
devil ray, and 3 of the mantas were only a couple of yards away. The first and
biggest (about 12 feet acros) put one wing about 2 feet over my head when it moved
off.  During our SI a fishing boat came over and told us about all of the mantas that
were feeding about a mile away, so the boat relocated and almost everybody got to see
mantas 3 at a time, doing loops, etc. Devilfish City turned out to be the manta
experience that we didn't get while we were in Yap. I guess that on a trip with 5
diving days I'd stick to the certainty of the usual spots, but with a few more days
available I'd gamble on another tip to Devilfish City.

<snip account of long list of activities>

Sounds like a very busy time.

> Next time, which I'm hoping will be in 2006, I'll be a bit more relaxed and
> hopefully typhoon-free.  I might not get to eat with the prez again, though,
> and it will certainly eat a bigger chunk out of my pocketbook.

Yeah, but it will be filled with the fun stuff that you decide to do, and perhaps
you'll have more time. Your travel will be about 6 hours shorter each way than mine,
but it's still a long enough trip that it makes a lot of sense to stay as long as
possible. I gather that the wholesale cost of our airfare was about $1800, so even
with a 3 week trip, almost $100/day of our vacation budget was spent just on getting
there.

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Greg Mossman - 20 Aug 2004 21:05 GMT
> Free water! Now there's a perk. Were the chocolates the same ones they put on your
> pillow? It's a nice touch, but I've had much better stuff in a wrapper that says
> Hershey or Nestle.

They put chocolates on the pillow?  No wonder my roommate was always in a
hurry to get back to the room before me.

> One of the conveniences of the PPR/Sam's pairing is just walking down to the dock in
> the morning and getting a boat ride over to the shop. We sometimes rode a van back at
> the end of the day, but it wasn't inconvenient.

We were supposed to be picked up by boat as well, but the weather wasn't
cooperating the first three days.  This was during Typhoon Hagibis, after
all.  On the fourth day, they said boat and we waited at the dock until
someone found out that the bus was waiting for us in the parking lot.  Go
figure.

> We didn't have any stormy weather, but we did have some very impressive rain a couple
> of days. Fortunately, torrential rain doesn't really bother me much when I'm wearing
> a polartec diveskin.

Yeah, well the day we went to Sam's was our land-touring day.  My polartec
was hanging on the line on the patio, drying out in the pouring rain.
Actually, when the sun finally did start shining, it dried up everything
real quick and I made sure to get my stuff back inside before the next
torrent.

When we were flying in, the plane had to circle for 10 minutes because it
was raining too hard to land.  By the time we had touched down and were
heading down the stairs, the tarmac was bone dry, like a hot summer day
without the sun.

> I think I'd be content with that strategy. It would suck to go to Palau and not dive
> Blue Corner, especially on a first trip, but I could have done Big Dropoff every day
> and been pretty happy. During bad weather it's probably rougher, but I'd have been
> glad to go back to Ulong Channel again. Blue Corner was a great spot, of course, but
> I wouldn't list any of the dives there as a singular highlight of the trip. The 20
> seconds of being overflown by at least 20 Devil Rays was a special moment, though.

I still got my money's worth.  Next time I'll be on a liveaboard, there
won't be a typhoon, and I'll get in plenty of dives.

> Without having been there I can't say how I'd really feel, but I'm usually willing to
> trust the boat driver. OTOH, there were two boatingmishaps that we know of
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> set of eyes to watch the islands. How a boat can have 6 or 8 divers in addition to
> the driver and nobody see's it coming is a bit of a mystery.

On the last day, the drivers showed off a bit, weaving us at high speed
through the rock islands, crisscrossing each other's path, and narrowly
missing each other as we went through a tunnel.  They'd obviously
choreographed the show and we all cheered the entire way.  So we did trust
our boat driver's skill, but admittedly grumbled a bit when we sat right
inside the cut to judge the conditions and then turned back as the two Sam's
boats kept going through.  Of course we all secretly hoped that the Sam's
boats would capsize thereby justifying our driver's judgment.  Instead, we
all ended up lunching at the same spot and we had to listen to our
Australian friends from the PPR gloat about their dive.

> Your timing obviously sucked. You'll certainly want to plan your next trip a bit

My timing was May.  The peak month for typhoons is November, exactly halfway
around the calendar.  Obviously it was divine punishment.  Next time it will
be a week on the Aggressor and then a couple days after at the PPR to regain
our sea legs.  Mileage upgrade on Continental.  All I need is the time.  I
would love to go back to Yap again too, if only for half a week.  Perhaps
that's in the cards.

> Sounds like a very busy time.

Yeah.  It really was a "working trip", though I can't say it was all hard
work.  I'd really love to start a dive travel business if I thought I could
make enough money at it.
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Dan Bracuk - 19 Aug 2004 00:40 GMT
"Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> pounded away at
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:hopefully, someday, I can have fun stories like that of my adventures in
:"paradise"

Jamaica isn't paradise?

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Chris Guynn - 19 Aug 2004 21:31 GMT
> "Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> pounded away at
> his keyboard resulting in:
> :hopefully, someday, I can have fun stories like that of my adventures in
> :"paradise"
>
> Jamaica isn't paradise?

ummm... maybe... I'm not experienced enough to say yet.  I need to work on
fixing that.

Besides, the only funny stories I have about Jamaica didn't involve diving
so I'm sure no one here would be interested in hearing them.

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Dan Bracuk - 20 Aug 2004 00:11 GMT
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:ummm... maybe... I'm not experienced enough to say yet.  I need to work on
:fixing that.

I'm not experienced enough to know if I consider Jamaica a paradise.
That's because I've never been there.

What's your reason?

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Steve - 20 Aug 2004 05:17 GMT
> I'm not experienced enough to know if I consider Jamaica a paradise.
> That's because I've never been there.
>
> What's your reason?

I'll offer my reason. The diving isn't nearly as good as plenty of other places you
could go, and if you leave the fortified compound of the resort many of the locals
will pester you for your money. Experiencing the culture of a foreign country is one
thing, but Jamaica was something else. Of course it's entirely possible that if we'd
been in someplace far from a resort we might have found the experience much different.

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:I'll offer my reason. The diving isn't nearly as good as plenty of other places you
:could go, and if you leave the fortified compound of the resort many of the locals
:will pester you for your money. Experiencing the culture of a foreign country is one
:thing, but Jamaica was something else. Of course it's entirely possible that if we'd
:been in someplace far from a resort we might have found the experience much different.

Sounds like you are experienced enough to say that Jamaica is not a
paradise.

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Chris Guynn - 20 Aug 2004 16:38 GMT
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>
> What's your reason?

I've not got enough experience outside of Jamaica to be able to properly
judge it's paradiceness (paradicity?).

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Dan Bracuk - 20 Aug 2004 23:05 GMT
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:I've not got enough experience outside of Jamaica to be able to properly
:judge it's paradiceness (paradicity?).

How does it compare to Texas?

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Chris Guynn - 23 Aug 2004 17:33 GMT
> "Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> pounded away at
> his keyboard resulting in:
> :I've not got enough experience outside of Jamaica to be able to properly
> :judge it's paradiceness (paradicity?).
>
> How does it compare to Texas?

which part (of Texas)?

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:which part (of Texas)?

The nicest part.

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Greg Mossman - 23 Aug 2004 23:44 GMT
> "Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> pounded away at
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> :which part (of Texas)?
>
> The nicest part.

The airport?
Chris Guynn - 25 Aug 2004 21:38 GMT
> > "Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> pounded away at
> > his keyboard resulting in:
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>
> The airport?

The airport in Jamaica (MBJ) is nowhere near as nice as the airport in
Midland.  :-)  I can't comment on the airport in Kingston as I've never been
there.
Chris Guynn - 25 Aug 2004 21:36 GMT
> "Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> pounded away at
> his keyboard resulting in:
> :which part (of Texas)?
>
> The nicest part.

Tough call... I'm not sure I've been to the nicest part yet.  The beach was
a lot better, the people were about the same friendly wise, and the scenery
was different (not really better or worse).  Overall, I'd say probably
comparable.

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Luca Rossetti - 17 Aug 2004 20:47 GMT
> > Perhaps this is a source of some attitude? I've never encountered any
> > sort of people issues on my trips. But I am low maintainance do not
> > -expect- great air conditioners in the tropics.
>
> But that's precisely when they're most needed.

I have been to exactly one tropical location, Wakatobi, that claimed AC
wasn't needed ( in my view that means wouldn't make it a bit more
comfortable), and it turned out to be the case. Every time I read that claim
from some boat or resort lacking AC I know it's going to be bullshit during
some part of the day, month or year.

So wouldn't ya know it, last year Wakatobi started installing AC in the
bungalows. I return next April. Now I can be cold at night and I really
don't fuckin' need it :^)
lance smith - 18 Aug 2004 00:01 GMT
> > Perhaps this is a source of some attitude? I've never encountered any
> > sort of people issues on my trips. But I am low maintainance do not
> > -expect- great air conditioners in the tropics.
>
> But that's precisely when they're most needed.

heheh... i suppose so. I think I've gotten too used to the USD$3
hotels in South America. Of course when I travel w/ my gf and we pay a
hundred times more the AC works....

-lance smith
 
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