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Scuba Forum / General / February 2004undersuits
Maybe i am missing something here. Why can you not use the wetsuit in the wardrobe as an undersuit for dry diving? Yes i apreciate a wet suit works in a different way---but as an insulating piece of clothing i can not see the difference. I am aware that specifically designed undersuits draw moisture away---big deal----run up to the shops in a wetsuit and see how warm you get/stay. The logic from various manufacturers does not add up---has anyone done this? if not why not? open house > Maybe i am missing something here. > Why can you not use the wetsuit in the wardrobe as an undersuit for dry [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > open house One word...... SWEAT . >Maybe i am missing something here. >Why can you not use the wetsuit in the wardrobe as an undersuit for dry [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >open house Because it would be like wearing a Hefty steel sack for underwear. Sure, you'd be hot...but wet and really uncomfortable. bj > Maybe i am missing something here. Why can you not use the wetsuit in the wardrobe as an undersuit for dry diving? Yes i apreciate a wet suit works in a > different way---but as an insulating piece of clothing i can not see the difference. I am aware that specifically designed undersuits draw moisture away---big > deal----run up to the shops in a wetsuit and see how warm you get/stay. The logic from various manufacturers does not add up---has anyone done this? > if not why not? I suspect that you could find the right wetsuit for a specific temperature. Problem is, what do you do if it gets just a bit colder or warmer. Few, if any, divers want to buy a whole series of wetsuits for the range of water they dive in. With traditional undergarments, you can layer as much or as little as necessary for a much smaller price. Lee > I suspect that you could find the right wetsuit for a specific temperature. > Problem is, what do you do if it gets just a bit colder or warmer. Few, if [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Lee Well actually, I have a whole range of thermal gear for different water temps. MInd you ... I'm an addict :-) [\]Robert Wood The St. Lawrence River - fresh, warm, visible diving. mailto:rgwood@magma.ca Money well spent > > I suspect that you could find the right wetsuit for a specific temperature. > > Problem is, what do you do if it gets just a bit colder or warmer. Few, if [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Well actually, I have a whole range of thermal gear for different > water temps. MInd you ... I'm an addict :-) I'm sure you do, but do you think you could find a combination of layers of wetsuits in your entire inventory, that would work as undergarments for every temperature you're likely to encounter? Me neither. Lee "Budweiser" wrote : Maybe i am missing something here. Why can you not use the wetsuit in the :wardrobe as an undersuit for dry diving? You can. I used to do this out of necessity. My drysuit is a thin shell with legs that taper down to wetsuit style booties. I also have large thighs and what I found was that a wetsuit was the only thing that would actually fit around my calves and be sufficiently warm. Specifically, I wore a pair of warm socks and a t-shirt. Then I put on the wetsuit (1/4 inch farmer john) and two sweatshirts. The drysuit went on over this. This kept me warm and cozy in water down to 34 F. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :I suspect that you could find the right wetsuit for a specific temperature. :Problem is, what do you do if it gets just a bit colder or warmer. My experience in actually doing this tells me that your suspicions are unfounded. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My experience in actually doing this tells me that your suspicions are > unfounded. So, immediately after saying that you could use a wetsuit under a drysuit, you determine my suspicion that you could wear a wetsuit under a drysuit is unfounded, right? Lee "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :So, immediately after saying that you could use a wetsuit under a drysuit, :you determine my suspicion that you could wear a wetsuit under a drysuit is :unfounded, right? wrong. The part I disagreed with was where you said that you would need different suits for different water temperatures. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The part I disagreed with was where you said that you would need > different suits for different water temperatures. Then you put your comments in the wrong place and included the wrong words. So, you think one wetsuit would do the trick under a drysuit in any temperature, that it would never be too hot or too cold. How thick a wetsuit did you have in mind for, say, 72 degree to 32 degree water? Lee "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :So, you think one wetsuit would do the trick under a drysuit in any :temperature, that it would never be too hot or too cold. How thick a :wetsuit did you have in mind for, say, 72 degree to 32 degree water? That's exactly what I think. A 3 mm farmer john worked for me in water 34 F to about 60 F. I have only dove wet in water either colder or warmer than that. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > That's exactly what I think. A 3 mm farmer john worked for me in > water 34 F to about 60 F. I have only dove wet in water either colder > or warmer than that. You dove *wet* in water colder than 34F? Damn, didn't you find it uncomfortable having your 'nads drawn up all the way to your throat? <brrrrr> > > That's exactly what I think. A 3 mm farmer john worked for me in > > water 34 F to about 60 F. I have only dove wet in water either colder [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > <brrrrr> Even by neer freezing temps, underwater I've never been less comfortable in a wet suit than in a dry suit. Nothing to it. Actually diving wet, at least for me means less weight to carry and more freedom of movement. But it's getting dressed in the drizzling rain, and getting undressed afterwards when the wind has picked up, that is the real problem. So yes, I confess I dive dry this time of year. HES van Schoonhoven harrier@zonnet.nl pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Even by neer freezing temps, underwater I've never been less :comfortable in a wet suit than in a dry suit. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :But it's getting dressed in the drizzling rain, and getting undressed :afterwards when the wind has picked up, that is the real problem. That's similar to my experiences. The difference is that I required the same amount of weight wet as dry. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ "Grumman-581" <grumman581-YYYY-MM@cox.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :You dove *wet* in water colder than 34F? Yup. What's the big deal? Wetsuits are intended to keep you warm, and they do. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > water 34 F to about 60 F. I have only dove wet in water either colder > or warmer than that. Here in Florida, the water most often associated with dry suits is from 68 to 72 degrees. You've left 8 to 12 degrees of temperature out. Care to correct that? Lee "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Here in Florida, the water most often associated with dry suits is from 68 :to 72 degrees. You've left 8 to 12 degrees of temperature out. Care to :correct that? This might be comparing apples and oranges because what I have actually done, and what the tendancy is in Florida, have nothing to do with each other. I can only speculate on drysuit diving in water warmer than 60 F of colder than 34 F because I have only worn wetsuits in those temperature ranges. Or lycra suits, or bathing suits. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ 5 and 7 mm wetsuits are A LOT more buoyant than undergarments, especially if they are made out thinsulate. You would need a lot more lead to be neutral at the surface. > Maybe i am missing something here. > Why can you not use the wetsuit in the wardrobe as an undersuit for dry [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > open house > 5 and 7 mm wetsuits are A LOT more buoyant than undergarments, especially if > they are made out thinsulate. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > open house So to sum up I may or may not sweat ---you would do the same in a weezle or similar---ok i see the way that both items differ in the way that they deal with body heat and sweat,but not enough to make a real difference. I am more bouyant and require more lead----bouyancy is not good---but i doubt there is a real difference between a weezle and a wetsuit worn under a drysuit Interesting > So to sum up > I may or may not sweat ---you would do the same in a weezle or similar---ok > i see the way that both items differ in the way that they deal with body > heat and sweat,but not enough to make a real difference. Yes enough to make a real difference. The difference between staying dry (that's the idea, isn't it?) and slowly braising in a stew of your own juices. But why don't you try it and report back? > > So to sum up > > I may or may not sweat ---you would do the same in a weezle or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > (that's the idea, isn't it?) and slowly braising in a stew of your own > juices. But why don't you try it and report back? Greg--i intend to try the variations The idea of "braising" myself is not that appealing!! Someone must have done an objective study into this?? Anyone else want to play guinea pig? > Greg--i intend to try the variations > The idea of "braising" myself is not that appealing!! > Someone must have done an objective study into this?? > Anyone else want to play guinea pig? No because you're obviously the only one stupid enough to think that it's a good idea. Now think, with all the millions of divers out there doing millions of dives over decades of diving, do you seriously believe that your idea is original and that nobody has ever thought of it before, tried it and found out it's a stupid f.cking idea and have since discarded it? If you answer "yes" to the above then we need not go further. We know where to put any further input from you. It will be filed under "Newbie: disregard". Same place that we put postings from Guynn, Bradlee and anyone named Painter. And the guy who says that the ability to swim is necessary for diving. If you answer "No, I'm sorry. I'm a stupid newbie who should just shut up because I don't know sh.t about diving" then you should see the light above your newbie head go on. The one that says " I will not post again until I know what the f.ck I'm talking about". Brian Sherwood Park, Alberta >> Greg--i intend to try the variations >> The idea of "braising" myself is not that appealing!! [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Brian >Sherwood Park, Alberta f.cking classic. > Now think, with all the millions of divers out there doing millions of > dives over decades of diving, do you seriously believe that your idea is > original and that nobody has ever thought of it before, tried it and > found out it's a stupid f.cking idea and have since discarded it? No so fast, Brian. I seriously believe that all thos millions of divers, with all their millions of dives over decades of diving, are doing nummourous very stupid things, between the lot of them. Ask any of these DIR-addepts here in the forum and they'll give you a list of stupid things with no end. And on some, if not many of their points both of us -you/me- might even see eye to eye. Millions of people doing things, does not nearly guarantee that they're doing things right. Oh no! Hell, take your pick. Millions voted for George Bush. And for Bill Clinton before him! Come to think of it, of all those supposed millions ... do you actually know one that really tried it? Remember, it's those fools who think they can change the world, who may one day surprise you doing just that. HES van Schoonhoven <harrier@zonnet.nl> wrote... > Remember, it's those fools who think they can change the world, who > may one day surprise you doing just that. Perhaps you should change your newsgroup moniker to "Don Quixote"? Watch out for those windmills though... "Grumman-581" wrote > Perhaps you should change your newsgroup moniker to "Don Quixote"? Watch > out for those windmills though... Excellent idea, Grumman. Too many windmills over here in Holland. Wooden shoes, too! Thanks. HES van Schoonhoven > > > So to sum up > > > I may or may not sweat ---you would do the same in a weezle or [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Someone must have done an objective study into this?? > Anyone else want to play guinea pig? No. The rest of us have already done our experiment. Standing around a dive boat in a wetsuit, in air, even on a cold day, is enough to convince me that I don't want to swim around in a wetsuit, in air, either. Lee > 5 and 7 mm wetsuits are A LOT more buoyant than undergarments, especially if > they are made out thinsulate. > You would need a lot more lead to be neutral at the surface. Not when worn under a drysuit. The same space, occupied by undergarments, woud be less buoyant. The same space, occupied only by gas, would be considerably more buoyant. Lee > Not when worn under a drysuit. The same space, occupied by undergarments, > woud be less buoyant. The same space, occupied only by gas, would be > considerably more buoyant. Sure about that Lee? They way that I understand it is that if it's the same exact space, they would be equally buoyant since buoyancy is a function of the amount of water displaced and the weight of the object... I would assume that the wetsuit is slightly heavier than the drysuit undergarment of the same thickness, so in fact wouldn't it be slightly less buoyant? At depth, the drysuit undergarment would not be compressing whereas using a wetsuit, it would be... >> Not when worn under a drysuit. The same space, occupied by >> undergarments, woud be less buoyant. The same space, occupied only [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > it be slightly less buoyant? At depth, the drysuit undergarment > would not be compressing whereas using a wetsuit, it would be... You are correct. I meant to write "occupied by a wetsuit, would be less buoyant". I just washed my hands and could not do a thing with them. Lee > You are correct. I meant to write "occupied by a wetsuit, would be less > buoyant". I just washed my hands and could not do a thing with them. Sure you weren't in the French Quarter with all the rest of us drunks last night? <grin>  Signature(Replace YYYY with current 4 digit year and MM with current 2 digit month to reply via email) > > You are correct. I meant to write "occupied by a wetsuit, would be less > > buoyant". I just washed my hands and could not do a thing with them. > > Sure you weren't in the French Quarter with all the rest of us drunks last > night? <grin> Yes. Jayna watches me much too closely for something like that. Lee A 7 mm wetsuit when it is not compressed at the surface is full of air. That's what makes them so buoyant at the surface. At 90 ft they compress to about 2 mm loosing most of their buoyancy and insulation. > > 5 and 7 mm wetsuits are A LOT more buoyant than undergarments, especially > if [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Lee Although it would keep you warmer initially and you would probably be sweating not too soon afterwards, I think that another issue might me the compressibility of the neoprene... The neoprene will compress a certain amount under a given pressure, whether that pressure is due to water or the air in your dry suit... Thus, it would lose some of its insulating effects as you dove deeper... Then again, I could be wrong... I've never tested this and I just got home from the French Quarter and I'm rather drunk at this point... <burp> > Although it would keep you warmer initially and you would probably be > sweating not too soon afterwards, I think that another issue might me [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > home from the French Quarter and I'm rather drunk at this point... > <burp> I don't think you're wrong. In fact, I think you have to be right. Lee > Maybe i am missing something here. > Why can you not use the wetsuit in the wardrobe as an undersuit for dry [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > open house Mobility. Now go and do more than the 9 dives you have logged and you'll understand. Brian Edmonton, Alberta > > Maybe i am missing something here. > > Why can you not use the wetsuit in the wardrobe as an undersuit for dry [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Brian > Edmonton, Alberta I thank you for your construcyive coments Brian-----Some of us however do not need to use drysuits for the locations that are dived--Some of us actually dive in waters/countries that obviously are considerably warmer than where you are. A newbie to drysuits--yes---thus the question. |
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