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Scuba Forum / General / March 2004Pelican Cases
I saw a guy at FEDEX today with a load of Pelican cases who said he swears by them. I need a good gear box for dive trips and need something better than an old suitcase. What Pelican case is best suited for loading ALL my scuba gear yet stay under the 70 pound limit (is 70 pounds still good or has that been reduced?) I have just the standard gear. If light enough, I may be able to add my weights? I'm sure this all comes with a cost...who has the best prices...eBay is above retail now! >:-( I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? Thanks, Army George > I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better > cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? What is it about hard cases that attracts newbies? Keep your hard cases off boats. They make you look self centered, inexperienced, and inconsiderate, which is actually a pretty good description of people who use them. Space is always at a premium on boats, regardless of the size of the boat. Always. Carry your gear in a bag, and once your gear is set up, fold the bag up and put it somewhere out of the way. Don't get in the way of other divers. Everything is magnified on a boat. Hard cases are for strokes and photographers, and attract thieves when they go through airports.  Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > ? I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better > ? cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Hard cases are for strokes and photographers, and attract thieves when > they go through airports. What is it about DIR that attracts self centred, inconsiderate, presumptuous zealots? The guy asked a simple question. Instead of saying "You have to do it THIS way" ala DIR, why not try saying "You shouldn't do it because of this, this & this". fair comment about boat space though.. >> ? I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better >> ? cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >fair comment about boat space though.. You didn't even read it. He said EXACTLY why you shouldn't use a hard case. "attract thieves when they go through airports." "Space is always at a premium on boats" --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ > What is it about DIR that attracts self centred, inconsiderate, presumptuous > zealots? Why don't you tell us? Signature"Let's roll!" -Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > ? What is it about DIR that attracts self centred, inconsiderate, presumptuous > ? zealots? > > Why don't you tell us? I have no more information than what is already in this thread. My point was that there are better ways of approaching things than just saying: "Hey buddy! You're a fuckwit!" (crap on for a few paragraphs about how right you are) "oh, and the case has a better chance of getting stolen too!" > I have no more information than what is already in this thread. We know. But we see that that's not stopping you from posting. > My point was that there are better ways of approaching things than > just saying: > > "Hey buddy! You're a fuckwit!" Wait a minute. You don't have any information, but you know there are better ways? Well, fuckwit, here's a clue. You don't, there aren't, and we don't care. Now, have a seat, and shut the f.ck up. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Wait a minute. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Now, have a seat, and shut the f.ck up. Im obviously dealing with a dyslexic retard, so I wont bother explaining it any further. > Im obviously dealing with a dyslexic retard, so I wont bother explaining it > any further. That's too good to be true, so you must be lying. We have another babbler who made the same claim. He's a jesus freak, and he was lying, too. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 <snip> > What is it about DIR that attracts self centred, inconsiderate, presumptuous > zealots? > > The guy asked a simple question. Instead of saying "You have to do it THIS > way" ala DIR, why not try saying "You shouldn't do it because of this, this > & this". He did. Dennis > fair comment about boat space though.. >> I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better >> cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? > >What is it about hard cases that attracts newbies? > >Keep your hard cases off boats. THIS IS FOR THE AIRPLANE, NOT THE BOAT..... > >? I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better > >? cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > THIS IS FOR THE AIRPLANE, NOT THE BOAT..... Sure fine . . .what's your plan for once you arrive at your South Pacific destination? Army, what's so delicate about your gear (not including camera) that requires a Pelican? I've been on multiple flights here and there including SE Asia and the South Pacific where a Pelican or any hard case would have been a much worse travel experience. Sometimes less TRULY IS more. So tell us this, once you arrive at your destination (sans camera) what do you do with your Pelican case(s)? > > >? I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better > > >? cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > So tell us this, once you arrive at your destination (sans camera) what do > you do with your Pelican case(s)? Leave it in the hotel room? (for non-liveaboard dive trips) Leave it in the ship's office? (for liveaboard trips).? Leave it in the checked luggage area of the hotel? On my trip to Australia, for the 3-day liveaboard we checed out of the hotel and left the stuff we didn't need on the boat at the hotel. When we got back, we picked up the rest of the stuff and continued the trip. Dennis "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Leave it in the ship's office? (for liveaboard trips).? Not sure what a ship's office actually is but, on liveaboard trips, if it won't fit under the bed, there is usually a hold somewhere you can store it for the week. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> pounded away at his > keyboard resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it won't fit under the bed, there is usually a hold somewhere you can > store it for the week. The land office for the company which runs the boat. Dennis > Dan Bracuk > If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :The land office for the company which runs the boat. won't be located with the boat, which would make that idea a bit impractical. The land staff are also very busy on turnaround days which increases the liklihood that they will remember to bring you your bag. Lotsa places to put it on the boat, even cozy boats like the Solmar V. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > On my trip to Australia, for the 3-day liveaboard we checed out of the hotel > and left the stuff we didn't need on the boat at the hotel. When we got > back, we picked up the rest of the stuff and continued the trip. Sounds good to me. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Sure fine . . .what's your plan for once you arrive at your South Pacific > destination? Assuming, of course, that valuable dive gear advertising it's value in a hard case, makes it to the South Pacific... Signature"A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg. Some of us didn't come back. If you weren't there, you'll never understand." -Unknown Infantryman > ? I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better > ? cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? > > What is it about hard cases that attracts newbies? uhhh. to protect gear from baggage handlers? > Keep your hard cases off boats. They make you look self centered, > inexperienced, and inconsiderate, which is actually a pretty good > description of people who use them. i use the hard case for travelling, but carry my gear aboard in a mesh duffle bag. > Space is always at a premium on boats, regardless of the size of the > boat. Always. > > Carry your gear in a bag, and once your gear is set up, fold the bag up > and put it somewhere out of the way. great idea! thanks man for the tip. > Don't get in the way of other divers. Everything is magnified on a boat. > > Hard cases are for strokes and photographers, and attract thieves when > they go through airports. and soft dive bags don't attract thieves? >and soft dive bags don't attract thieves? Of course they do. That's why a $40 Wal-Mart suitcase is superior to a $200 Pelican or a $150 Akona. --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ >Keep your hard cases off boats. They make you look self centered, >inexperienced, and inconsiderate, which is actually a pretty good >description of people who use them. Everybody on the boat in Cozumel appreciated having a dry box to put their clothing in when it started raining. This was on a Panga with 8 people on board. We tied the case to the bow ahead of the console. My buddy joked with the rest of the divers that it was gonna' cost 'em $5 each to get their stuff back :) --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ > >Keep your hard cases off boats. They make you look self centered, > >inexperienced, and inconsiderate, which is actually a pretty good [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > My buddy joked with the rest of the divers that it was gonna' cost 'em > $5 each to get their stuff back :) Ever heard of a dry bag? Doesn't take any room at all if it is not needed and hardly any after that, if needed. >> My buddy joked with the rest of the divers that it was gonna' cost 'em >> $5 each to get their stuff back :) > >Ever heard of a dry bag? Doesn't take any room at all if it is not needed >and hardly any after that, if needed. But not big enough for 8 people, and $40 buys a lot of beer if you know where to go in Cozumel. :) --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ > Everybody on the boat in Cozumel appreciated having a dry box to put > their clothing in when it started raining. That's what a dry bag is for. > This was on a Panga with 8 people on board. We tied the case to the > bow ahead of the console. Pangas are great for remote areas when you have to hire a fisherman to take you out. On Cozumel, why not treat yourself to a real boat, with shade from the cancerous sun? >Pangas are great for remote areas when you have to hire a fisherman to take >you out. On Cozumel, why not treat yourself to a real boat, with shade from >the cancerous sun? Why? I'm out there to dive, not to bask on deck. The Panga got us from Fiesta Americana to Punta Sur in about 20 minutes, and we dove with people that actually knew how to dive... or... at least... there were no instructors on the boat and no hand-holding. We weren't out of the water long enough to worry about cancer except once we got back to the hotel. --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ > ? I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better > ? cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Hard cases are for strokes and photographers, and attract thieves when > they go through airports. Hey, guess what? I'm not a newbie, probably predating your diving experiences by years, and I ALWAYS use a hard case. Love them. Once I unload my gear on deck and my suitcases in the stateroom, I put the folded soft side suit cases inside the hard case, then store it below decks. Out of site, out of mind, and out of the way. Never had a theft, never had a stroke, never had any gear damaged, never had anything but good things happen. One again you spread bovine scatology, old strokemeister.....:-) Buck "Randy Buckner" <Randybuckner@att.net> posted: > Hey, guess what? I'm not a newbie, probably predating your diving > experiences by years, and I ALWAYS use a hard case. Love them. But its not actually a Pelican, is it? :-) > Once I unload my gear on deck and my suitcases in the stateroom, I put > the folded soft side suit cases inside the hard case, then store it > below decks. Out of site, out of mind, and out of the way. Plus you've used a mix of hard & soft so that they'll "Russian Doll" into a smaller storage package. Do you allow your T-shirts in the softsided because they're more rugged than your wetsuit? :-) > Never...had anything but good things happen. I've never had horrible things happen with a softsided. Some of it is statistics, but a lot of the serious damage I've seen was really purposefully done (attempted theft), and not really due to what the item was packaged in, with the exception that locks get broken more often on hards than on softs. FWIW, I happened to see an oversized Steel/Aluminum "Trade Show" style travel box a few years ago that had gotten trashed as part of an attempted airport baggage theft. The degree to which this case was armored-up required the thieves to have serious tools to breach it, and because it was breached, this was IMO proof that the badguys can get into any bag they want. I've used a Pelican on a trip...once, for some of my camera gear. The fact that they're very unforgiving dimensionally is a double-edged sword, as its overall packaging efficiency can suffer as a result. I went back to a softsided for my camera, although it does go carry-on (camera tools go checked). When the Airlines dropped the checked baggage weight limit, I went from a rolling Pullman type suitcase to an ultra-lightweight rolling duffel...the new one weighs only 7-8lbs empty, which saved around 15lbs. If its lightweight construction means that wears out in 5 years, "SO WHAT"...it will have had paid for itself on the first incorrectly calibrated weight scale I hit...BTW, I stay 5lbs under, because of variations in scale calibrations. Overall,there's plenty of soft dive stuff that can cocoon the few fragiles that we pack...its pretty hard to break a 1st stage, so the only real "fragiles" are hose bend radii, dive computers/consoles, 2nd stages and your dive mask. The hose bend radius has to be managed regardless of what kind of bag you use, and while you might be concerned about crushing your 2nd stage's mouthpiece, you should be carrying an emergency spare in your drybox anyway. The computer/console isn't going to get crushed - - its more vulnerable to shock and hard hit impulses, such as if you pack it a 1/4 from the 2lb brass of your 1st stage so that transportation vibration can hammer it ... once again, that's a packing issue and not what the items are packed within. This leaves your dive mask. Carry it checked. About the biggest mistake you can make is to pack loosly so that things can move around, and to include something significantly more dense than the rest of the other items, such as the aforementioned 1st stage and any lead weights. I did see that Amy was talking about bringing her own weights. Generally, the only people that I ever see that do this are always carrying soft weights. Personally, I find that wearing any amount of thermal protection provides more than enough padding for "comfort" issues on weightbelts, and I want to wear some amount of suit no matter how hot the water is. A 2mm shorty would save the weight :-). About the only weight I would even bother to pack and carry with me are trim weights (eg ankle weights). Its probably also a good idea to research how many dollars people are getting nailed for on overweight baggage today...some airlines have a flat fee that you're required to pay, even if you are but one pound over. Overweight payments of $100 per bag are not completely unheard of. -hh > "Randy Buckner" <Randybuckner@att.net> posted: > > > > Hey, guess what? I'm not a newbie, probably predating your diving > > experiences by years, and I ALWAYS use a hard case. Love them. > > But its not actually a Pelican, is it? :-) Yup, it is. Don't remember the model number, being that I bought it several years ago, but it is the big honker with wheels to drag it around. Loaded down with gear for two divers it weighs 72 pounds. Paying overage is a given for me. I also have a pelican camera case that I carry on, along with a soft-sided bag for my harness and mask (prescription) and one change of clothes so that when I'm it Fiji and my bags are in PNG, I can get by. :-) Buck In article <4UX_b.40537$aH3.1273180@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Randy Buckner <Randybuckner@att.net> wrote: > Hey, guess what? I'm not a newbie, probably predating your diving > experiences by years, and I ALWAYS use a hard case. Hey, guess what? Yes, you are. You're also inexperienced, incapable of taking care of yourself, inconsiderate, and self centered. Thirty days. Vanish, wee one. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > In article > <4UX_b.40537$aH3.1273180@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Randy [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Vanish, wee one. Watch it, he packs a gun, and isn't afraid to pull it if you threaten his wine. > In article > <4UX_b.40537$aH3.1273180@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Randy [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Vanish, wee one. I'll give you about a 6.1 on the troll factor scale. Keep trying, bovine boy. > I'll give you about a 6.1 on the troll factor scale. Keep trying, bovine > boy. "bovine boy"? Is that really your best shot? Kneel before your Master, wee one. >I saw a guy at FEDEX today with a load of Pelican cases who said he >swears by them. I need a good gear box for dive trips and need [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better >cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? The 70 has been reduced, in most cases, to 50. I bought the big Pelican and used it for a Cozumel trip. It was great. I now use a basic Wal-Mart suitcase, as the Pelican alone is 30 pounds. Using the suitcase with some careful arrangement of items, I can keep it down to two 45-pound checked bags for a week of fun. --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ > The 70 has been reduced, in most cases, to 50. > I bought the big Pelican and used it for a Cozumel trip. It was > great. > I now use a basic Wal-Mart suitcase, as the Pelican alone is 30 > pounds. Using the suitcase with some careful arrangement of items, I > can keep it down to two 45-pound checked bags for a week of fun. You could still bring it to Cozumel. I believe most airlines will still give you the entire 70 lbs x 2 for international flights. You're only screwed if you not only have to change planes, but change airlines as well. Continental flew me to Grand Cayman and didn't raise an eye at my 65 lb bag on the Ontario-Houston leg since I was checked all the way through. They didn't even raise an eye when the same bag was 71.5 lbs on the way back and refused my offer to move the Humann books to a lighter suitcase. And Southwest gives each passenger three 70 lb bags, so you could always fly them to Florida if you ever want to visit the east coast rec.scubans and bring two Pelican cases. > I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better > cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? I have used a large Pelican case (model 1650)for cave diving trips to Mexico, and never had a problem, but no one was paying much attention to weight then. I had nightmares with it flying between Charleston and NYC, where they will ding you if you're an ounce over (a $10 bribe always worked there to avoid the extra weight charge). I did not have a problem in Charleston or Charlotte, only in NY. I haven't tried yet out of Philly. As someone else said, the box weighs something like 30 lbs, and we don't have that kind of weight to squander anymore. #I saw a guy at FEDEX today with a load of Pelican cases who said he #swears by them. I need a good gear box for dive trips and need #something better than an old suitcase. # #What Pelican case is best suited for loading ALL my scuba gear yet #stay under the 70 pound limit (is 70 pounds still good or has that #been reduced?) I have just the standard gear. If light enough, I may #be able to add my weights? # #I'm sure this all comes with a cost...who has the best prices...eBay #is above retail now! >:-( # #I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better #cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? # Nothing says, "steal me" like a Pelican case (except maybe an Anvil case). Also, any case large enough to hold all your gear is ~30 lbs, which is ~half of your weight allowance for checked baggage (the allowance varies depending on airline and the attitude of the person checking your bags). As others have mentioned, camera equipment is about the only thing that's delicate enough and expensive enough to warrant using a Pelican case, and even then many professional photgraphers use ice chest or coolers to transport their gear. My travel bag is a wheeled duffel with no external pockets or distinctive markings that identify it as a dive bag. Everything except my cameras goes into it (yes, even regulators) and I've never had any problems with it in over 150K miles of Asian travel (I live in San Diego). I always pack a mesh bag along with my dive gear, which is what actually carries the gear onto the boat. Others here use variations on the same theme, such as a suit case, travelpro or something similar. Alan > I saw a guy at FEDEX today with a load of Pelican cases who said he > swears by them. I need a good gear box for dive trips and need [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > been reduced?) I have just the standard gear. If light enough, I may > be able to add my weights? i doubt you can find a pelican case that will hold ALL your dive gear and still be under the (now its) 50 lbs limit. my #1620 pelican case weighs nearly 10 lbs empty, and it only holds my warm water dive gear. Signaturejim frei http://stormwatergroup.com >i doubt you can find a pelican case that will hold ALL your dive gear and >still be under the (now its) 50 lbs limit. my #1620 pelican case weighs >nearly 10 lbs empty, and it only holds my warm water dive gear. Right, looks like 50 pounds is the limit...the biggest thing I've found now is the 62in SIZE limitation and your 1620 is 59in. Looks like the 1620 is the case to get :-) > Right, looks like 50 pounds is the limit...the biggest thing I've > found now is the 62in SIZE limitation and your 1620 is 59in. Looks > like the 1620 is the case to get :-) Put a big dive flag sticker on it so we'll know it's yours. Signature"A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg. Some of us didn't come back. If you weren't there, you'll never understand." -Unknown Infantryman >> Right, looks like 50 pounds is the limit...the biggest thing I've >> found now is the 62in SIZE limitation and your 1620 is 59in. Looks >> like the 1620 is the case to get :-) > >Put a big dive flag sticker on it so we'll know it's yours. Running a dive team I have found it best to use boxes to hold the gear. The boxes we use are stackable and reduce used space in the vehicles. They cost around $15(throw away) and weight around 8lb. Our gear is getting moved every day into vans onto the slip into and out of boats, the boxes even mean we can disinfect the gear in them. I would not use bags because a dive cylinder sitting on top of it can break the gear.Now I know that should not happen but it does. -- Steve Barlow > Running a dive team I have found it best to use boxes to hold the > gear. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I would not use bags because a dive cylinder sitting on top of it can > break the gear.Now I know that should not happen but it does. Stroke alert. Signature"A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg. Some of us didn't come back. If you weren't there, you'll never understand." -Unknown Infantryman >> Running a dive team I have found it best to use boxes to hold the >> gear. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Stroke alert. And how much water time did you get last week Jammer? -- Steve Barlow > And how much water time did you get last week Jammer? Before or after the dive trip? Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 >> And how much water time did you get last week Jammer? > >Before or after the dive trip? None of your perversions here please, If using boxes to store the dive gear makes me a stroke - OK but I want my stuff intact. I have not heard of many Comms boxes kept in bags.. I have not seen many bags to keep umbilical reels in !! Horses for courses Jammer, but you knew that anyway :-) -- Steve Barlow > If using boxes to store the dive gear makes me a stroke - OK but I > want my stuff intact. Of course you do, and of course what you want is more important than anyone else or anything else aboard. Furthermore, you're not capable, as we are, of keeping your "stuff intact" without inconveniencing others. Which proves my point. Self centered, inconsiderate, inexperienced, unskilled, incapable of either hearing or learning, to be avoided. We would call you an unskilled, boorish puddle-f.ck, but you're not worth swearing at or about. We seriously doubt that even the Hog would bother with you, and he's dead. Ten days. You don't rate thirty days, and you'd never last sixty days. Be glad crucifixion in Our name is out of style. Vanish, wee one. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 >> If using boxes to store the dive gear makes me a stroke - OK but I >> want my stuff intact. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >as we are, of keeping your "stuff intact" without inconveniencing >others. You misunderstand Jammer, I run the boats I go on, Its a working environment not a play zone. I don't dive with amateurs unless they are friends, 95% of my dives are working, and I don't mean playing scuby. I say who dives , I run the job, anyone don't like it, tuff shite, they are sacked. I can't be doing with fuckwits and you seem to have scored on that one. Come back when can start thinking for yourself and not just accept a set of rules , As if you matter. -- Steve Barlow > >? If using boxes to store the dive gear makes me a stroke - OK but I > >? want my stuff intact. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > As if you matter. Steve, there is an old saying in this country "When you wrestle with a pig, you both get muddy, only the pig likes it." Case in point. There are a few people on this board that like to look for your button that says "Push Here." Due to their drunken indiscretions the night before, their hands are pretty shaky and they just keep pushing that button, push, push, push. Ignore the noise. Before long they realize that they have messed themselves and they will wander off to another thread where the cycle repeats. It is all mildly amusing when taken in the overall context. That said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Pelican cases. It is strictly personal preference, period. All the noise is just that, foolish noise. My old Pelican case probably has 200,000 miles on it, if not more, and it is still going strong. I have not yet had one boat captain complain about the case. I have had a couple ask me to store in below decks. Go with what you like. Buck <chop more snotty self aggrandizement> "It is a profitable thing, if one is wise, to seem foolish." --Aeschylus >If using boxes to store the dive gear makes me a stroke - OK >but I want my stuff intact. >I have not heard of many Comms boxes kept in bags.. >I have not seen many bags to keep umbilical reels in !! And what of your dive gear is as fragile as those items? Hmm... stainless steel backplate.... check. Hmm... neoprene wetsuit.... check. Hmm... neoprene hood.... check. Hmm... neoprene booties.... check. Hmm... rubber fins.... check. Hmm... nylon wing.... check. Hmm... delrin spools.... check. Hmm... wetnotes.... check. Hmm... nylon liftbag.... check. My regs, computer, and lights are all carry-on, and the regs are only carry-on as a theft concern. They aren't going to get hurt in a bag in the checked baggage. The spools MIGHT get broken... if someone drives a truck over the bag, but then, the Pelican wouldn't protect them either. --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ >>If using boxes to store the dive gear makes me a stroke - OK >>but I want my stuff intact. >>I have not heard of many Comms boxes kept in bags.. >>I have not seen many bags to keep umbilical reels in !! > >And what of your dive gear is as fragile as those items? Those are my dive gear, or some of it, I did not mention the Exo-36's two of them, which I always keep boxed , my sport diving gear is all boxed apart from the Kiss. I don't have a box big enough. >Hmm... stainless steel backplate.... check. >Hmm... neoprene wetsuit.... check. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Hmm... wetnotes.... check. >Hmm... nylon liftbag.... check. I understand your point Rich but the traveling I am doing is everyday and under extreme conditions, I was not referring to flying. After you loose a mask of two then you appreciate the protection of a box. and turning up on a job to find your gear has been f.cked by some twat has put some bottles on top of it is not good practice. Or because it fell off the pallet on the forklift while getting lowered onto the boat. If anyone is interested I will post a summary of my workday today so you can appreciate the problems. -- Steve Barlow >I understand your point Rich but the traveling I am doing is everyday >and under extreme conditions, I was not referring to flying. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >If anyone is interested I will post a summary of my workday today so >you can appreciate the problems. I think we're comparing apples and oranges with your diving, Steve. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're doing commercial projects in a professional setting. You're bringing lots of gear to a project site, and it's going to cost you regardless. Also, the cost of downtime from missing or damaged equipment far exceeds the small incremental cost of shipping in ATA approved cases, and I expect your gear is specifically insured during shipment The kind of diving Jammer, Army George and myself do is purely recreational, with perhaps some element of advanced or technical diving thrown in. For us, extra costs for overweight charges is a big deal, and the possibility of theft from airport baggage handlers is real (and the gear uninsured, except for possibly homeowners or DAN type insurance). For our kind of diving, a Pelican case is overkill, and the negatives of weight and theft attractiveness are a real problem. George hasn't realized this yet, and probably won't until he actually deals with the reality of checking a Pelican case and paying overweight charges a few times, as well as dealing with the first time he finds his regulator missing when he unpacks. As for boat storage, what I think Jammer is referring to are the inconsiderate divers, typically technical wannabe's/newbies, who bring their shiny new Pelicans on deck and leave them there as monuments to their self-perceived studliness. I'm sure that even you would find such behaviour annoying. And now that I've gone and killed the mouse that Jammer was playing with, I'm probably going to be forced to write some kind of limerick as penance. Alan > As for boat storage, what I think Jammer is referring to are the > inconsiderate divers, typically technical wannabe's/newbies, who bring > their shiny new Pelicans on deck and leave them there as monuments to > their self-perceived studliness. I'm sure that even you would find > such behaviour annoying. Well, you have to admit that the Pelican cases do make good liferafts after the boat sinks... <grin> > If anyone is interested I will post a summary of my workday today so > you can appreciate the problems. > > -- > Steve Barlow don't Signature"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" >onto the boat. >If anyone is interested I will post a summary of my workday today so >you can appreciate the problems. We, and the original poster, are not talking about commercial diving. We're discussing recreational diving and international airline travel. --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ >Right, looks like 50 pounds is the limit...the biggest thing I've >found now is the 62in SIZE limitation and your 1620 is 59in. Looks >like the 1620 is the case to get :-) What is it with you? What answer don't you get? If you didn't want to know, why did you ask? The 16-f.cking-20 weighs 26 pounds EMPTY. Please check below if you think that using 50% of your "50 lb" weight allowance for a freaking container is a good idea: Check here: [ ] I'm a moron. If you are further determined to pack and carry your dive weights: Check here: [ ] I'm not *even* a moron. The Pelican is totally bad idea. You've been told this even by people that own one, and if you're still determined all I can say is: Make sure that your HUB can fit inside with the lid closed. safe diving, bullshark > I saw a guy at FEDEX today with a load of Pelican cases who said he > swears by them. They are superb for what they are designed for: moderate to high impact protection, medium shock protection (depending on how you cut the foam), superior moisture/pressure protection. They are about in the middle as to net weight vs. benefits. I need a good gear box for dive trips and need > something better than an old suitcase. > > What Pelican case is best suited for loading ALL my scuba gear yet > stay under the 70 pound limit (is 70 pounds still good or has that > been reduced?) I have just the standard gear. What needs packaging in the protection a Pelican would afford? The only thing I can think of are cameras that are placed in checked luggage. Please- don't carry your Pelican into the cabin- pop it into a duffel bag (for camoflage) and check it in. Much lighter (and less bulletproof styles) are manufactured by Dockisil (sp?) which are available at most shooting supply shops and MalWart, KMart, etc. They are nice for masks and flashlights and pack well inside a larger duffel. Look at your local army surplus (or internet) at military left overs- I've bought a lot of Pelican-esque boxes at 1/4 the regular price. Excellent traveling bags are available as "Aircrewman's Bags". See also the premium dive travel bag (at 1/2 the LDS cost) from High Sierra. They have rollers and handle, etc. They are huge. (A.T. Gear 36" Drop Bottom) at www.ebags.com If light enough, I may > be able to add my weights? Why weights? Where ever you are traveling, they have weights. A simple e-mail to the resort/ship will tell you the type of weights available (size as well as soft/hard, etc). To a great extent it would be advised to tailor your traveling gear to accept hard weights. In some far flung environs weight integrated gear is not only a foreign but unwelcome concept (due to the boat crew having to lift gear packs up & over the gunnels. As recently as six months ago, after the first day of diving, a boatman dutifuly completely disassembled my OMS integrated set and hung my gear to dry- there was a 10 minute re-rig. > I'm sure this all comes with a cost...who has the best prices...eBay > is above retail now! >:-( EBay is always above retail, pretty much, but it never hurts to look. Try mis-spelling as pellican and see what pops up cheap. > I'm looking at multiple airplane trips (South Pacific) and need better > cases...what model Pelican affords me size and stays under weight? They are all fairly heavy. > Thanks, Army George The best/cheapest most disposable hard cases I have seen are Igloo brand coolers. Drill four 1" holes and magic mark with, "no ice inside" (airlines like that). At Walmart they also sell Contico brand, huge black plastic hinged cases in the auto section. Maybe $45. They are 90 quart + or -. Use lots of silver tape to strap them up, pack a fresh roll inside for the return. Most of these are lockable. BEWARE- many airlines consider certain objects as over sized and may surcharge or refuse. doc. Thanks for everyone's posts.... I made the decision to go with Pelican cases because I often fly Space-A on military aircraft and my stuff sometimes ends up on the bottom of a 463L pallet packed in the front of a C130/C140 that bounces around (vertically, not horizontally)...(ever been in a C130 when it drops 1000 feet?)...and then I have to fly commercial to get back home if I get bumped or the pilot deadlines the plane for an extra day. When flying commercial, I like to fly Continental...baggage acceptance for military customers on military orders is two bags, maximum 70 lbs and 115 linear inches per bag. Army George > When flying commercial, I like to fly Continental...baggage > acceptance for military customers on military orders is > two bags, maximum 70 lbs and 115 linear inches per bag. Do you have that policy in writing? (Website URL, etc) I'd like to get a copy of it. BTW, Continental is frequently not the 'Preferred Carrier' when booking TDY...I'd check out the other Contract Carriers for their policies too. -hh Continental.com :-) >> When flying commercial, I like to fly Continental...baggage >> acceptance for military customers on military orders is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >-hh > Continental.com :-) Unfortunately, I searched their entire website before I even asked the question. Did it again (+keyword searched); still can't find it. But I did find the new 2004 Gov't Contract City Pairs list :-) Can you copy/paste the relevant paragraph, please? Thanks, -hh > >> When flying commercial, I like to fly Continental...baggage > >> acceptance for military customers on military orders is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > >-hh |
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