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Russian Destroyer in Cayman Brac

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Thomas Wong - 11 Feb 2004 22:56 GMT
Just wondering if anybody on this group has dove the Russian Destroyer that
was sunk in Cayman Brac? I wanted to know what the dive was like, can you go
inside the wreck, or is it a dive that you only get to look at the hull from
the outside? I know the wreck isn't that deep at 110' fsw, any  problems
with current or vis?

Tom
Nitespark - 12 Feb 2004 00:18 GMT
> Just wondering if anybody on this group has dove the Russian Destroyer that
> was sunk in Cayman Brac? I wanted to know what the dive was like, can you go
> inside the wreck, or is it a dive that you only get to look at the hull from
> the outside? I know the wreck isn't that deep at 110' fsw, any  problems
> with current or vis?

I dove the M.V. Tibbets last year.  It is sitting on somewhat of a slope
but it upright in the sand.  I think the maximum depth was about a
little over 100fsw.   Viz was great and I really enjoyed the dive.  I
have a picture of the wreck if you would like to see it.  I will email
it to you.

Andy
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Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 12 Feb 2004 01:12 GMT
"Thomas Wong" <Z2quick@pacbell.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:Just wondering if anybody on this group has dove the Russian Destroyer that
:was sunk in Cayman Brac? I wanted to know what the dive was like, can you go
:inside the wreck, or is it a dive that you only get to look at the hull from
:the outside? I know the wreck isn't that deep at 110' fsw, any  problems
:with current or vis?

I have.  The dive was quite nice.  You can go inside the wreck, but
that's not my thing, so I didn't.

The vis was good and the current depends on the tides and winds.

A trip report of the whole week at Cayman Brac is available at
http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/Trips/CaymanBrac.htm

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
bullshark - 12 Feb 2004 05:17 GMT
>Just wondering if anybody on this group has dove the Russian Destroyer that
>was sunk in Cayman Brac? I wanted to know what the dive was like, can you go
>inside the wreck, or is it a dive that you only get to look at the hull from
>the outside? I know the wreck isn't that deep at 110' fsw, any  problems
>with current or vis?

I've dived on it 4 times, a couple dozen if you count the free-dives (I don't).
It pretty much sucks. It's like all other artificial junkyards. Junk. Wet. Not
much growth. You can make limited excursions inside, but why? You're not going
to find an enigma machine or a dead KGB agent. It was scoured before sinking.

The reefs around it are spectacular. They're a long swim and deep. The top
of the wall is about 120.

I've never seen or heard of any current there.

safe diving,

bullshark
gjw - 12 Feb 2004 06:09 GMT
 Hi Dan

 The Enigma ciphering machine was designed & used by the Germans in WWII .
Has nothing to do with the Russians. The British did manage to brake the
code using some of the fist "computers" at Bletchley Park.

 ;-> gjw
bullshark - 12 Feb 2004 17:41 GMT
>  Hi Dan
>
>  The Enigma ciphering machine was designed & used by the Germans in WWII .

No sh.t? Really? I bet you watch the History channel all the time.

>Has nothing to do with the Russians.

Which is precisely why you won't find one on the tibbets.
It was hyperbole; specifically to point out how useless an
exploration of the interior of the ship is.

>The British did manage to brake the
>code using some of the fist "computers" at Bletchley Park.

...And they stole an enigma machine...and it's "Break" not brake.

safe diving,

bullshark
Reef Fish - 16 Feb 2004 21:49 GMT
> >Just wondering if anybody on this group has dove the Russian Destroyer that
> >was sunk in Cayman Brac?


> I've dived on it 4 times,

I think one of those times on the same Cayman Aggressor I was on.
Dived it every year beginning 1996, whens it was sunk there.  I have
a video of Jean Michelle documenting that 6 hour event of sinking it.

> It pretty much sucks.

That's my take too, even before it was split and broad-sided by two
different hurricanes within the first three years.

> It's like all other artificial junkyards. Junk. Wet. Not
> much growth. You can make limited excursions inside, but why?
> You're not going to find an enigma machine or a dead KGB agent.
> It was scoured before sinking.

All too true.  But you can always find the same scorpianfish at the
top of the stern;  and the most memorable dive on that wreck was the
year when a wild dolphin came and played with divers.


> The reefs around it are spectacular.

Negative.  Okay, but nothing spectacular.

> They're a long swim and deep.  The top of the wall is about 120.

Doubly negative.  Less than a minute swim from the bow (bottom at
about 90 fsw) sloping down to the coral head with a swim through,
ledge of the wall at about 110-120 fsw.  Did that every year because
that dive would be extremely boring otherwise.

> I've never seen or heard of any current there.

That's because you've not been there often enough.  I've encountered
VERY stiff currents a couple of times.  But that's rare.  You've
heard it now.  :-)

> bullshark

da Feeesh.
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 16 Feb 2004 22:45 GMT
Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com (Reef Fish) pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:All too true.  But you can always find the same scorpianfish at the
:top of the stern;  and the most memorable dive on that wreck was the
:year when a wild dolphin came and played with divers.

Spot?

Is he still around?

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
bullshark - 17 Feb 2004 12:00 GMT
>Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com (Reef Fish) pounded away at his
>
>Spot?
>
>Is he still around?

Nope; at least he wasn't there in Oct when we last checked.
Nobody had seen him in a long time.

safe diving,

bullshark
Reef Fish - 17 Feb 2004 23:26 GMT
> Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com (Reef Fish) pounded away at his
> keyboard resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Spot?

Yeah, I think that's what the one-eyed dolphin was called.

> Is he still around?

Not that I know of.

> Dan Bracuk

-- Bob.
H. Huntzinger - 19 Feb 2004 12:28 GMT
> ...the most memorable dive on that wreck was the
> :year when a wild dolphin came and played with divers.
>
> Spot?
>
> Is he still around?

No, Spot's been long gone.  Like other "dive magazine cover" big critter
attractions (eg, Molly the Manta), Spot was only around for ~2 years in
the 1999-2000 period before disappearing.

Spot was also known to hang out pre-dawn near Radar Reef and have a
early morning "chat" with Squeezer, and was known to take "days off"
from playing with the divers to go out for a long swim with Braccer day
fishermen who would leave from here at Stake Bay and go halfway to Cuba.  
I personally suspect that he ended up going out with them one morning,
and just didn't bother to come back.  If you have to ask where he went
from here, the nearest landmark would have been Cuba's south coast, and
there are some Caymanian families living over in this area.

 
-hh
Thomas Wong - 12 Feb 2004 05:44 GMT
Thanks for the info,

   Tom

> Just wondering if anybody on this group has dove the Russian Destroyer that
> was sunk in Cayman Brac? I wanted to know what the dive was like, can you go
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Tom
H. Huntzinger - 16 Feb 2004 02:49 GMT
> Just wondering if anybody on this group has dove the Russian Destroyer that
> was sunk in Cayman Brac?

Every year since it was sunk in 1996...8 years, probably 20 dives or so,
although I don't generally spend much time on the wreck anymore.  
There's a nice archway nearby that often has a turtle sleeping niche
nearby, plus there's a nice, although deep, wall.


> I wanted to know what the dive was like, can you go inside the
> wreck, or is it a dive that you only get to look at the hull from
> the outside?

Yes, you can go inside.  It has become a lot more of a "real wreck"
since a 'NorWester ripped the front third of the ship nearly off.

When it was originally sunk, it was nice and upright and the entire
front end of the ship was cantilevered above the bottom.  Here's a 1996
photo...you can see that the keel is a good 10-15ft above the sand:

http://www.webspan.net/~hummer/pic/356under.jpg

Between the 'NorWester, saltwater corrosion and some light-but-insistant
prevailing longitudinal current, a structural failure occured around
1/3rd of the way back, and the ship fell down onto its port rail.  
Here's a head-on shot looking at the bow, which shows that its now
firmly on the bottom, and leaned over more than 45 degrees:

http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2000/356y2k.jpg

The result is that the center corridors which used to be perfectly
upright and easy to navigate now are pretty hairy for a lot of divers
(vertigo, etc), and the "T" at the back is now a mess.  

There's also a couple of "up is NOT out" dead-end traps that have been
exasperated by a section of the top deck that lost its plating, but the
remaining support isn't generally big enough for a diver to squeeze
through...not the place for novices, or first-time-in-an-overhead'ers.

In general, if you like a jumbled mess with some tight squeezes, you'll
have some opportunities...but if you're looking for an easy, safe wreck,
the forward section in particular no longer qualifies.  

If you're looking for something kind of halfway in-between, ask for
instructions for the rear engine room:  if they don't describe both
entrance/exits, don't trust the instructions.  And bring a light.

> I know the wreck isn't that deep at 110' fsw, any  problems
> with current or vis?

There's often a light current (East-->West) that's just enough to blow
sand around the bow, which can trash W/A photography, such as this shot:

http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2000/356pita.jpg

(BTW, the diver is a vacationing Grand Cayman Dive Op. Staffmember :-)

The stern area is in the ~50ft range.  The radar dome
(http://www.webspan.net/~hummer/pic/356radar.jpg) used to be a perfect
place for doing your 10-15ft safety stop, but its now a bit deeper...it
is still useful as a safety stop landmark reference point.

-hh
rick_simms@sharks.eat.spammers.bellsouth.net) (Rick Simms - 16 Feb 2004 04:24 GMT
>http://www.webspan.net/~hummer/pic/356under.jpg

>http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2000/356y2k.jpg

>http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2000/356pita.jpg

>The stern area is in the ~50ft range.  The radar dome
>(http://www.webspan.net/~hummer/pic/356radar.jpg) used to be a perfect
>place for doing your 10-15ft safety stop, but its now a bit deeper...it
>is still useful as a safety stop landmark reference point.
>
>-hh

Excellent Pic's Hugh.

Thanks for sharing.

Rick Simms
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"Isn't it interesting that the same people who laugh at science fiction
listen to weather forecasts and economists?"
H. Huntzinger - 16 Feb 2004 19:41 GMT
For both Rick & Popeye:

http://www.webspan.net/~hummer/pic/356in2b.jpg

http://www.webspan.net/~hummer/photo356.html

FWIW, both of these were taken "before the fall", so today, the images
would look very different...not really able to duplicate.

-hh
Crownfield - 17 Feb 2004 03:00 GMT
> For both Rick & Popeye:
>
> http://www.webspan.net/~hummer/pic/356in2b.jpg

H.

that shot deserves a large print on your wall.
mystic will make a great print 20x30
for less than $20 last time I checked.

I love it.

> http://www.webspan.net/~hummer/photo356.html
>
> FWIW, both of these were taken "before the fall", so today, the images
> would look very different...not really able to duplicate.
>
> -hh
 
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