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Scuba Forum / General / February 2004Rifle or shotgun?
OK...the discussion of guns has broken down... Time for a new dimension to it. I'm thinking that a shotgun is better than a rifle since the chance of making a mark between 2 boats with a rifle is pretty small. Assault weapons would probably make the best defense since they can spray and aim...but I can bring myself to purchase one. Which one is better, and why? > OK...the discussion of guns has broken down... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Which one is better, and why? both - you can start shooting @ >500yard with the rifle and if they keep coming than the shotgun. > > OK...the discussion of guns has broken down... > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > both - you can start shooting @ >500yard with the rifle and if they keep > coming than the shotgun. That's what I have at my home in Central America. I keep a M14 near the door so I can pick off the horde coming up the hill if things go sour. Then I have a sawed-off Browning 20-guage in the bedroom in case anyone makes it to the door. Around town I carry a 38 in the small of my back. BTW, don't be shy about letting the weapons be seen going on the boat. Marinas are where you get cased by the landside part of the gang. If they see you are prepared they will go for easier prey. If the owner of the boat objects - find a different boat. Afterall your protecting not only your life but his property. When you get to open water - practice. Shooting at a range is far different than from a moving boat deck. Sink floating cans if nothing else. Owning a gun does not make you a gun-nut.... it makes you prepared. > Assault weapons would probably make the best defense since > they can spray and aim...but I can bring myself to purchase one. And you were doing so well in this group until you said that... INCOMING !!! > OK...the discussion of guns has broken down... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Which one is better, and why? Get a Survival sport type gun... I've seen one with a side-by-side 12G on the top and a short semi auto 44.40 carbine slung underneath. Supposed to be able to bring down ducks/fowl or deer/pigs. personally I can't see the point since a 12G Over-under with both sabot and #4 shot cartidges paked does the same thing. If you have a long barrel rifled shotgun, you can bring down a running deer from 150M+ if you're a good shot and know the rifle with sabot. Use that on the boat and reload with buckshot when they close to 50M or so. Rhys > OK...the discussion of guns has broken down... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Which one is better, and why? I'm not a spray and pray kind of person. I would not carry a full automatic if I had one. I much prefer the controlled shot and, for me, the best way to get that is with a rifle. A shotgun is probably the second best choice. A pistol, which is what I carry on my boat, has the advantage of being convenient to carry and easier to keep handy. Sometimes the best tools is the one closest at hand. Also, you mentioned rental boats. If you're renting, you may also have to consider the opinions of the boat owner. A rifle or shotgun is more likely to be noticed as you carry it aboard than a pistol that's inside your bag or tackle box. No matter what I like best, the best weapon for you is the one that are best able to use effectively. Lee >From: "envision" info@envision.net >Date: 2/7/04 10:30 PM Eastern Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Which one is better, and why? First, recognize that you know nothing about firearms. Then get training. Lots. Then make your own decision. "Assault weapons would probably make the best defense since they can spray and aim" The only sense this sentance makes is that you have no business owning one. Popeye Have you noticed since everyone has a camcorder these days no one talks about seeing UFOs like they used to? > OK...the discussion of guns has broken down... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Which one is better, and why? How about a flame thrower? Anyone gets close enough and you torch them :-). Just kidding, although I am sure there are those that would think this a good idea. -Eric > How about a flame thrower? Anyone gets close enough and you torch them > :-). As one general once said when he first saw one, "Where do you put the bayonet?" > OK...the discussion of guns has broken down... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Which one is better, and why? Get a shotgun with a rifled barrel and sights. You can fire slugs very effectively up to 150 yards or so, and fire buckshot as well. Then if you can afford it, get a bit of proper training, or at least go out and shoot a lot. A couple hundred buck for training will be a very wise investment. Depending upon your local, I am sure someone here could make a recommendation for instruction. : OK...the discussion of guns has broken down... How awful. Dan & Pat Bracuk www.pathcom.com/~bracuk Last Updated Jan 2004 REMINGTON Mariner... Nickel plated, 7 shot, 3" mags. every third round, a slug, 00 or 000 for the others.... Comes with a built in trigger lock safety. BTW... hard to prove self defense if you shoot someone 1/2 mile away... rifled slug is plenty of distance for self defense. I have not heard of any pirate activity in the straits in 15 years except for a hijacked charter about 7 years ago. Much more prevelant in the 80s.... > : OK...the discussion of guns has broken down... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- Is the diving better in Cozumel or Cayman? Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ Dan, I thought Cayman Brac was a touch better than Cozumel but then I spent a week at Cayman Brac and only did a two tank dive at Cozumel (cruise). I'd dive either in a minute. The service at Divi was top notch, the food was good, the price was expensive. Cozumel on the other hand was a lot more reasonable. The airfare alone is expensive from Miami to Cayman Brac. Paul > Is the diving better in Cozumel or Cayman? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- > Is the diving better in Cozumel or Cayman? Yes 8^) I'm not sure I would attach a "better" label to either. They're similar, but different. Grand Cayman - I like the walls and I really like the shore diving, particularly at night. It's also nice to have plenty to do on non diving days. The west side, where most of the resorts are, has been impacted by all the visiting divers, but is still nice. The northwest end of the island is dramatic and my personal favorite for boat dives. Cayman Brac - The wall diving was better and the resort was quite and laid back. Very nice. The downside is, there's almost nothing else to do and, worse for me, there's very little shore diving available. We enjoyed ourselves, but, overall, probably not any more than we did on Grand Cayman. Little Cayuman - My only experience with Little Cayman was a one day trip taken from Cayman Brac. I was not impressed with the diving. What I saw there was not as nice as the best of Brac or Grand Cayman. Others have told me that it's better than that. Cozumel - Our trip to Cozumel was one of the best dive trips we've ever done. I've heard that the reefs have been impacted by all the divers. You could not prove it by me. The walls were pretty spectacular. Perhaps it's the shallower dives that have been impacted. I didn't see any of them I was impressed with. Cozumel is drift diving, sometimes express train drift diving. We covered more territory and saw more different things on each dive than we did in any of the Caymans. On the other hand, we didn't see anything close up, or for long. An interesting trade off. The swim throughs were impressive and one of the things I enjoyed most. They were not, however, something I'd recommend to a novice. Again, the downside is poor shore diving. The currents make it unwise to venture far from shore without a boat and I didn't find much that was interested close to shore. Then again, it may just be because I've been spoiled by Grand Cayman's excellent near shore diving. Lee |
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