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Brian Nadwidny - 07 Feb 2004 04:24 GMT
I'm kicking around the idea of getting my own compressor. Some
parameters are it has to be somewhat portable, easily switched from gas
to electric and back and output of around 10CFM.I've been looking around
and found one called an ALKIN made by these guys-www.airetex.com. I've
never heard of these before and some of the features look interesting.
Supposedly they offer the same performance as other compressors but at a
lower RPM. Anybody know anything about these?

I've also looked into Coltri Sub compressors. Any opinions on those? Any
other tips on what to look for?

Thanks
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
www.mossmanscubaventures.com
Nitespark - 07 Feb 2004 05:17 GMT
> I'm kicking around the idea of getting my own compressor. Some
> parameters are it has to be somewhat portable, easily switched from gas
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I've also looked into Coltri Sub compressors. Any opinions on those? Any
> other tips on what to look for?

Brian,
A number of years back, I was spec'ing an air compressor for the Fire
Department.  The general rule of thumb then was 1hp for every 1cfm.  If
that ballpark figure still holds true, then for it to be used electric,
you would need a 10hp electric motor.  If that is the case I would not
consider it to be "somewhat portable".  I am not sure where the
breakover point would be, but I am betting a 10hp would require
220volts.  My guess is, you would have to have something with that
capacity on a trailer.

As for the brands you cited, I have not heard of them.  I ended up
getting a Mako although I have, in the distant past had a little
experience with Bauer and Eagle.

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Brian Nadwidny - 07 Feb 2004 06:10 GMT
> Brian,
> A number of years back, I was spec'ing an air compressor for the Fire
> Department.  The general rule of thumb then was 1hp for every 1cfm.  If
> that ballpark figure still holds true, then for it to be used electric,
> you would need a 10hp electric motor.  

That sounds about right. The quotes I'm getting from dealers are for 8
or 9 cfm compressors and they are using 7.5hp electrics and 9hp gas
motors.

>If that is the case I would not
> consider it to be "somewhat portable".
> I am not sure where the
> breakover point would be, but I am betting a 10hp would require
> 220volts.  

Yes. All the ones I have quotes on are 220.

>My guess is, you would have to have something with that
> capacity on a trailer.

Weights on the ones I looked at vary from 250 lbs to 350lbs. I'm not
looking so much at being able to carry it around myself but it needs to
be easily shippable. The marine versions of what the manufacturers offer
seem to be what I'm looking for.

> As for the brands you cited, I have not heard of them.  I ended up
> getting a Mako although I have, in the distant past had a little
> experience with Bauer and Eagle.

Thanks!
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
www.mossmanscubaventures.com
Nitespark - 07 Feb 2004 10:59 GMT
> Weights on the ones I looked at vary from 250 lbs to 350lbs. I'm not
> looking so much at being able to carry it around myself but it needs to
> be easily shippable. The marine versions of what the manufacturers offer
> seem to be what I'm looking for.

350lbs seems kinda light for a 10cfm compressor, especially one with gas
and electric capability.  But maybe some of the newer technology can cut
some weight and bulk.  Also, the 16cfm unit we got is enclosed in a huge
heavy gauge metal framework and box, with gauges showing the
intermediate pressure(s), oil pressure, a running hour meter, and an
indicator light.

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Morten Reistad - 31 Mar 2004 07:22 GMT
>> I'm kicking around the idea of getting my own compressor. Some
>> parameters are it has to be somewhat portable, easily switched from gas
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> I've also looked into Coltri Sub compressors. Any opinions on those? Any
>> other tips on what to look for?

I have a little Coltri 6xxx; it has been rebuilt with extra filters,
and I have both the single phase 220V and the little Honda engine.
It passes ANDI's SafaAir standards easily with the new filters.
The condensate trap ("filter" before the filters) is very good at
removing condensate (oil+air). There is relatively little condensate
in the filters.

The poster below is correct in the energy needs. The little Honda
engine makes the Coltri run up to 115 liters per minute (4 cfm) up to
around 200 bar, and then it slows down to around 80 lpm (below 3 cfm).
You can hear the engine struggle; but they _are_ designed for 330
bar. (pressure test is to 550 bar). I also think it gets a little
hot from 260 bar onwards (until then it runs cool and fine).
Gasoline use is around 4 liters per hour.

When on electric it blows 10A fuses at 180 bar, 13A at 230 and
is marginal for 16A at 300 bar. This is on a 240V grid. If you want
to push 10 cfm to 220 bar you will ned a three phase 16A setup; or
a bigger engine. It then ceases to be "portable":

Other maintainers of Coltri tell me it is important that it is
oiled properly because it is an aluminium contruction. Also remember
to change the cylinder rings at proper service intervals.
Spare parts as this is reasonably cheap; but there is a bit of
work involved.

>Brian,
>A number of years back, I was spec'ing an air compressor for the Fire
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>getting a Mako although I have, in the distant past had a little
>experience with Bauer and Eagle.

Bauers are rock solid, but has a tried and true construction; which
make them a bit heavy and bulky. I cannot vouch for the others.

-- mrr
Randy F. Milak - 07 Feb 2004 13:31 GMT
> I'm kicking around the idea of getting my own compressor. Some
> parameters are it has to be somewhat portable, easily switched from gas
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I've also looked into Coltri Sub compressors. Any opinions on those? Any
> other tips on what to look for?

    I've owned a couple of MaxAir compressors for a number of years and am very
satisfied with their overall performance. Check out the specs and pricing on the
MAX-AIR 90 STANDARD, it sounds like it might meet your needs nicely.  Consider,
when you're happy with your compressor purchase, give Scott Koplin a call and see
if he'd make you a continuous blend unit for your machine.  Here's a bit more,
good luck and happy hunting...

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3C2ACD6C.BD439DCF%40yahoo.com

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monty - 09 Feb 2004 08:52 GMT
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> I've also looked into Coltri Sub compressors. Any opinions on those? Any
> other tips on what to look for?

I have looked into Coltri-sub and 4 of the 5 engineering shops around
here who service compressors said that they won't touch or work on
Coltri-sub.

Actually they used much stronger language, which I'd rather not
repeat. Apparently they don't deliver what they are supposed to ito
cfm, even when new !?

rgds
monty
bullshark - 09 Feb 2004 10:22 GMT
>I have looked into Coltri-sub and 4 of the 5 engineering shops around
>here who service compressors said that they won't touch or work on
>Coltri-sub.

Good sign.
Service shops typically hate anything they can't make money
off of. What I've seen of Coltri is dead simple. Anybody
could work on them. No engineering shops necessary.
monty - 10 Feb 2004 05:32 GMT
> >I have looked into Coltri-sub and 4 of the 5 engineering shops around
> >here who service compressors said that they won't touch or work on
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> off of. What I've seen of Coltri is dead simple. Anybody
> could work on them. No engineering shops necessary.

Maybe things are different in your neck of the woods.

Over here nobody in their right mind takes a compressor to a diveshop.
I agree dive shops are often greedy, but I don't give a pair of fetid
dingo's kidneys what my LDS thinks of Coltri-sub.

I do, however, care what several qualified mechanical engineers have
to say who all have 10 years+ experience installing, running and
servicing compressor installations.

Over here the generally accepted choices in order of preference is 1)
Bauer 2) Bristol 3) Ingersoll-Rand

rgds

monty
Karl Denninger - 11 Feb 2004 17:37 GMT
>I'm kicking around the idea of getting my own compressor. Some
>parameters are it has to be somewhat portable, easily switched from gas
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Edmonton, Alberta
>www.mossmanscubaventures.com

I have the 3.5cfm Alkin and like it plenty.

Bruce over at Airtex is a good guy as well; tell him I sent 'ya.

10cfm is a monster; are you sure you need that much capacity?

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Brian Nadwidny - 11 Feb 2004 22:24 GMT
> I have the 3.5cfm Alkin and like it plenty.
>
> Bruce over at Airtex is a good guy as well; tell him I sent 'ya.

I looked at those and was going to call Bruce as the Alkins are nice
looking units however I just ordered a rebuilt 9cfm Bauer today.

> 10cfm is a monster; are you sure you need that much capacity?

I'm not a patient person.:-)

Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
www.mossmanscubaventures.com
roger - 15 Feb 2004 15:21 GMT
Ok. I am in the compressor trade over in the uk. Max air which if they
are based on a coltri sub will be crap.  We have alot of the little
coltri sub units over here, and they just do not last.

Shops are being honest when they say they dont like them, really
because over the years they have had a bad reputaion especially with
the small ones.

However in saying that, they are less than $2200 us for a 3 cfm one
and will be perfectly adequate for a diver who wants to use one on
holiday or for weekend diving and if he only does a handful of fills
atthe weekend. Personally i dont dive very much and if i was on a
budget i would get one of these. It would last years for the little
amount of diving i do.

Realistically if you want to buy a decent compressor, the only choice
is a bauer. You can get the new mariner 320 which will do 10 cfm, and
with a gas or a electric motor will weigh less than 300 lbs. ( you
wont find a 10 cfm compressor that is lighter). These units have
exceptional build quality and last. see
http://www.bauer-kompressoren.de/en/aw/tauch/1-mobil/mariner320.html
however the down side is that you will get what you pay for and that
means paying alot more money for a bauer.

Note that companies such as Max air, Mako, Eagle etc just package
other peoples blocks.

Mako generally use a bauer block or a Compair Reavell block (Compairs
are made in the uk and are probably the next best after bauer.)

Eagle typically used to use Bristol blocks (these probably come 3rd in
line after Bauer & Compair).

I believe that there is also a machine made in the US called North
American Air. It looks like a good piece of kit but havent seen any up
close.

Ingersoll Rand are good units, however they are very industrial and
heavy. The main ones that they produced were the 223 ( a 3 stage
stationary electric machine) and the larger 10 t 2 and 15 t 4. These
are 15 cfm and 25 cfm machines. Again very industrial and very heavy.
Will run for ever though and can be picked up quite cheaply on the
second hand market.

There are other machines out there such as the ex MOD daveys which are
15 cfm. These are quite good machines and can be bought electric,
petrol and diesel. They are heavy and would need to be built on to a
trailer. They ned modifying after purchasing them from a ex mod
supplier however parts are cheap and they can be bought very cheaply.
They are a radial design similar to a bauer and come with a
pressurised oil system.

Oh and finally there is another unit worth recomending called L & W.
These are high quality, built from bauer lines in germany and they are
getting a good review. Most compressor companies have good websites,
and should all show technical specifications.

I think at the end of the day, remember that you do get what you pay
for.
 
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