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Fla Keys Diving-Trip Report

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Nitespark - 03 Feb 2004 22:50 GMT
After having had 4 dive trips cancelled in a row for weather or other
reasons, I was ready to get wet.  I ended up carrying over too many
vacation days from last year and the powers that be at work were
"encouraging" me to take them "as soon as possible"....so, after
exchanging a few emails with Capt Jim of Reef Divers, a trip to the Fla
Keys was planned.  I have seen Reef Divers website and had exchanged a
few emails with Capt. Jim, but aside from that, the only thing I knew
about Reef Divers were the positive comments I had heard from others.
My Non-Diving Spousal Unit (NDSU) accompanied me on this trip which was
1100 miles.  We stayed on Key West and Reef Divers is located on Cudjoe
Key, about 21 miles north (about a 25 minute drive).  I will go into
accomodations and other activities in the second part of my trip report
and deal with the diving and dive operations in the first part.  Capt
Jim runs a small operation, but he is obviously quite busy.  His boat is
a "6 pack" with an outboard 225hp motor.  Capt Jim puts diver safety and
comfort above all else which was apparent from the outset.  The first
day I arrived at his shop, his first question for me was "Can I see your
C-cards".  I have been on boats before where no one checked my c-card
and that does little to inspire confidence in the operation.  I had made
advance arrangements with Capt Jim to dive nitrox on my dives so he
verified my nitrox c-card also.  After analyzing the gas, loading the
equipment on the boat, and a quick pre-trip briefing on the boat, 4
other divers and myself were off to some relatively shallow reefs.
Visibility was about 40-50 ft and the water temperature was around 73-75
degrees.  We spotted a Goliath grouper about 20 ft away, but he/she seem
unsociable and departed the area.  Lots of coral and sponge life as well
as the usual variety of angels and typical Caribbean marine life.  I had
received a new underwater digital camera as a Christmas gift and was
anxious to try it out.  What I didn't realize until I returned home was
I had the strobe setting wrong.  Oh well, new equipment, still on a
steep learning curve.  After the first dive, we moved to another shallow
reef and it was on to the second dive.  The second dive was not
extraordinary and it was more of the warm water coral and fish life we
had seen earlier.

As we returned to shore, Capt Jim said I could leave my dive gear at his
shop instead of having to haul it back and forth each day which was
greatly appreciated.  The next day, it turned out, I was the only diver
but Capt Jim generously said we could go out anyway.  He asked how I
would like to dive the "Adolphus Busche", a skuttled wreck in about
108ft of water.  My eyes lit up like a Christmas tree so the two of us
headed out to the wreck.  Capt Jim, fixed me up with some "slightly"
different tanks this time.  Instead of the Al 80's which were quite
adequate on the shallow reef, I was now diving LP steel 120's with 32%
nitrox.  Now we're talking about some serious bottom time.  We
encountered a pretty significant current when we moored into the wreck
so Jim ran a line from the front of his diveboat to the mooring ball.
From there, it was an easy decent to the wreck.  The Busche is a large
wreck with LOTS of swim through's and easy penatration.  It would
certainly be a great site to do a shipwreck certification dive on.  Two
goliath groupers hovered off the starboard side of the Busche as we made
our way around the deck and went into the spacious hold area.  A
beautiful green moray was poking his head out of a small compartment on
the deck.

As I mentioned, my NDSU was with me and rather than require her to
become a "dive widow" and sit around the hotel, the next day, I set
aside so we could tour a bit on Key West.  The day following that, was
too windy for Capt Jim to venture out, so the NDSU and myself did a bit
more looking around on Key West.

My first day in the Keys brought a scare into my dive plans.  My chest
and sinuses started getting congested so a quick trip to a nearby
Walgreens and I got some cold medicine that kept me diving.

I had planned on returning from Key West and spending a day in Key
Largo, 100 miles north with hopes of diving the Speigel Grove.  My
timing didn't work out for the Speigel Grove but I did manage to get two
relatively shallow reef dives in.  Capt Jim recommended an outfit called
"Scuba-Do" in Key Largo.  They didn't have anything going out that day
but referred me to Ocean Divers.  Ocean Divers had a 1pm trip going out
and were quick to put me on the passenger manifest.  After checking my
c-cards, analyzing the gas, I loaded my gear onto their dive boat.  The
boat, the "Santana" is a relatively new craft, that can accomodate 24
divers and 6 snorklers ( I think those are the numbers).  We headed out
about 5-6 miles from shore.  As we stopped, I looked out across the
ocean and the mooring balls floating on the surface made it look like we
were downrange from an oversized golf driving range.  The boat captain
was giving us a pre-dive briefing on the site.  Nearby was a glass
bottom boat that was taking a tour on the reefs.  Our captain was
telling us to follow the mooring line down, take a 300deg heading and
then follow the wall.  He cautioned us about other boats in the area.
He mentioned, if you get under a boat and there are 200 faces looking
down at you, you are obviously under the glass bottom boat.  One of the
sites we visited had a large winch on the sand.  The captain told us
that some years back, a sailboat got hung up on the reef, so they
decided to use the winch to pull the sailboat off the reef.  The only
thing they succeeded in doing was pulling the sailboat down to the bottom.

The diving in the Keys is great and Capt Jim Wyatt gave me the VIP
treatment, but then, I suspect he does that for all his customers.  I
look forward to diving with him again.

This is the second part of my report that has nothing to do with diving
but with other things to see and do in Key West.  Our accomodations were
 at the DoubleTree Hilton on KeyWest and were quite clean and
comfortable.  Room rates on Key West range from $140-$1000 per night.  A
quick check on internet prices through services such as Travelocity, etc
gave a little price-break.  I did a Google search and checked the
DoubleTree Hilton main site and they listed rooms for several hundred
dollars a night but when we went to the website for THAT particular DT
Hilton, we were pleasantly surprised to get a rate of $160 per night.
When we arrived, they were expecting us and there was NO hassle at all.
 A quick checkin and it was time to move the luggage.  The lobby of the
hotel features a HUGE cylindrical saltwater aquarium that towered 10-12
ft towards the ceiling with a variety of tropical fishlife.  There was
coral in there, but I suspect it was not real.  Key West is only about 2
miles by 4 miles in area but almost every square inch of that is either
built up or used.  Virtually no vacant lots that I saw.  There are the
usual variety of stores and a shopping center or two available.  If you
have a taste for standard American food, there are burger places, an
Outback steakhouse, etc.  The main place where the activity goes on is
Duvall Street.  Lots of bars, clubs, and activities.  One of the guys I
work with is a Jimmy Buffet fan, so we made a point to stop in the
Margaritaville bar and have....well..of course, a margarita.  Saw no
signs of Jimmy Buffet though.  Lunch was at "Sloppy Joes", which was a
favorite haunt of Ernest Hemmingway who's picture is prominently
displayed around the bar.  Dinner was at "Crabby Dicks" restaurant which
featured a great seafood selection.

If you visit Key West, be aware there is virtually NO WHERE to park in
the downtown Duval street area.  The easist way we found to tour the
area was to rent a small two person scooter.  This allowed us to see
much more and was a LOT more maneuverable than a full size car.  There
were plenty of places you could park a scooter so parking that was not
really an issue. The scooters would easily cruise at 35-40mph and since
the speed limit was at the highest 35, we had not trouble keeping up
with traffic. We toured the Mel Fisher museum that started with a brief
17 minute video of Mel Fisher and his search for the Atocha gold.  The
remaineder of the museum featured various artificats he had recovered
and there was one display where you could actually pick up and handle
one of the gold bars he had recovered from the Atocha.

We took a tour of the lighthouse facility and the Ernest Hemmingway
house and visited and had our picture taken at the marker designating
the southernmost point in the United States.

Since the NDSU had never seen any of the underwater things I have seen,
We took a ride on a glass bottom boat.  This was a large catamaran style
boat.  The seas were around 3-4 ft that day.  Each side of the catamaran
featured a large well with windows facing towards the sea bottom.  There
was quite a bit of "surge" that day and the NDSU started getting queasy
watching the boat and coral life rock back and forth through tha window
so she had to go topside.  Oh well.  She was the one with the iron
stomach and I was the one who always got seasick.  Maybe I am getting
more used to it now.

I am certain we only saw a fraction of the things to do in Key West and
I certainly would love to return some day to tour and dive again.

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Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 04 Feb 2004 00:35 GMT
Nitespark <nitespark@cox.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:
:The diving in the Keys is great and Capt Jim Wyatt gave me the VIP
:treatment, but then, I suspect he does that for all his customers.  I
:look forward to diving with him again.

Sounds like you had a fun time.  Try it again in June, the water will
be warmer and clearer, at least it was when I was there.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Nitespark - 04 Feb 2004 08:30 GMT
> Nitespark <nitespark@cox.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Sounds like you had a fun time.  Try it again in June, the water will
> be warmer and clearer, at least it was when I was there.

Excellent suggestion.

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John Francis CID - 04 Feb 2004 13:50 GMT
>> Nitespark <nitespark@cox.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
>> in:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Excellent suggestion.

In fact, what about May? The Kentucky Gentleman and I have recently
entered into preliminary planning stages for just such a trip.
Nothing's carved in stone, but it might just happen.

JF

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
Nitespark - 04 Feb 2004 18:25 GMT
>>>Nitespark <nitespark@cox.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
>>>in:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> entered into preliminary planning stages for just such a trip.
> Nothing's carved in stone, but it might just happen.
'

Hmmm, it would depend on which days.  I have activities planned in the
middle of May.

But then again, do you think Capt Jim could handle the 3 of us??? Or
warn the other dive operations of our arrival????

:)

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John Francis CID - 04 Feb 2004 22:53 GMT
>> In fact, what about May? The Kentucky Gentleman and I have recently
>> entered into preliminary planning stages for just such a trip.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>But then again, do you think Capt Jim could handle the 3 of us??? Or
>warn the other dive operations of our arrival????

I'm house-broken. I dunno about you. Rick just needs a good cigar and
some smooth squeezin's and he's fine.

JF

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
Nitespark - 04 Feb 2004 23:25 GMT
>>>In fact, what about May? The Kentucky Gentleman and I have recently
>>>entered into preliminary planning stages for just such a trip.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I'm house-broken. I dunno about you. Rick just needs a good cigar and
> some smooth squeezin's and he's fine.

Sounds good to me.  If the timing works out I may very well be interested.

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rick_simms@sharks.eat.spammers.bellsouth.net) (Rick Simms - 07 Feb 2004 02:12 GMT
¥On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 13:25:45 -0500, Nitespark <nitespark@cox.net>
¥wrote:

¥>
¥>But then again, do you think Capt Jim could handle the 3 of us??? Or

¥>warn the other dive operations of our arrival????

What for?

¥I'm house-broken. I dunno about you. Rick just needs a good cigar and
¥some smooth squeezin's and he's fine.
¥
¥JF

I quit smoking in December and my drinking has been significantly
curtailed of late.

Rick Simms
********************************  
I counted seven. Waddaya mean there's eight names on the manifest?
John Francis CID - 07 Feb 2004 03:01 GMT
>I quit smoking in December and my drinking has been significantly
>curtailed of late.

So we should be ready for a grumpy diver?

JF

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
rick_simms@sharks.eat.spammers.bellsouth.net) (Rick Simms - 07 Feb 2004 14:19 GMT
¥On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:12:49 GMT, Rick Simms
¥(rick_simms@sharks.eat.spammers.bellsouth.net) (Rick Simms) wrote:
¥
¥
¥>
¥>I quit smoking in December and my drinking has been significantly
¥>curtailed of late.
¥>
¥So we should be ready for a grumpy diver?
¥
¥JF
¥

Not at all. I feel better than I have in years.

Rick Simms

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
--Philip K. Dick
John Francis CID - 07 Feb 2004 14:40 GMT
>¥On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:12:49 GMT, Rick Simms
>¥(rick_simms@sharks.eat.spammers.bellsouth.net) (Rick Simms) wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Not at all. I feel better than I have in years.

Glad to hear it.

JF

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
Lee Bell - 05 Feb 2004 00:58 GMT
> In fact, what about May? The Kentucky Gentleman and I have recently
> entered into preliminary planning stages for just such a trip.
> Nothing's carved in stone, but it might just happen.

I've heard that one before.  I'll believe it when you knock on the door.

Lee
John Francis CID - 05 Feb 2004 01:32 GMT
>> In fact, what about May? The Kentucky Gentleman and I have recently
>> entered into preliminary planning stages for just such a trip.
>> Nothing's carved in stone, but it might just happen.
>
>I've heard that one before.  I'll believe it when you knock on the door.

I haven't done very well of late on making the Florida dive venues,
have I? It's not for lack of interest.

Besides, I'm very curious to know if the waitress at Mike's favourite
roadhouse still has the neon pen in her cleavage. Al's still talking
about that one. In fact he just emailed me to ask if I'd heard
anything about that pen lately.

JF

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
Lee Bell - 05 Feb 2004 12:55 GMT
>>> In fact, what about May? The Kentucky Gentleman and I have recently
>>> entered into preliminary planning stages for just such a trip.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I haven't done very well of late on making the Florida dive venues,
> have I? It's not for lack of interest.

Understood.   So change that, will you?  If you guys decide to visit Jim
Wyatt again, let me know.  The one time I made it down the visibility was
pretty bad.  I'd like to see the Busch at least once, on a nice day.

Lee
John Francis CID - 05 Feb 2004 14:04 GMT
>>> I've heard that one before.  I'll believe it when you knock on the
>>> door.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Wyatt again, let me know.  The one time I made it down the visibility was
>pretty bad.  I'd like to see the Busch at least once, on a nice day.

I'd never dive the SE without getting in touch with you guys. I always
learn something new. I'm still telling folks about your Armpit Bug
Snatch, the first truly humane lobster trap. Of course the coat hanger
up the yingyang kinda negates all the inherent goodness. And I'm
looking forward to seeing  ESG's latest DIY project in action. And it
wouldn't be a holiday without brews in a faux Irish pub followed by a
crosstown carchase, trying to keep up with Limey Dave. The only normal
person there is bullshark, but that may be simply because he always
has Lady Bullshark riding herd on him.

JF

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
Lee Bell - 05 Feb 2004 15:38 GMT
> I'd never dive the SE without getting in touch with you guys. I always
> learn something new. I'm still telling folks about your Armpit Bug
> Snatch, the first truly humane lobster trap. Of course the coat hanger
> up the yingyang kinda negates all the inherent goodness.

John, John, John, I never touched a lobster with a coat hanger.  You break
off an antennae and stick that up his fundamental orifice.  A coat hanger
would be humane in comparison.

> And I'm looking forward to seeing  ESG's latest DIY project in action. And
it
> wouldn't be a holiday without brews in a faux Irish pub followed by a
> crosstown carchase, trying to keep up with Limey Dave. The only normal
> person there is bullshark, but that may be simply because he always
> has Lady Bullshark riding herd on him.

Bullshark, normal?  Those words are rarely found in the same sentence.  We
have no normal friends.  We like it that way.

Lee
rick_simms@sharks.eat.spammers.bellsouth.net) (Rick Simms - 07 Feb 2004 02:17 GMT
¥John Francis CID wrote:

¥
¥Bullshark, normal?  Those words are rarely found in the same
sentence.  We
¥have no normal friends.  We like it that way.
¥
¥Lee

Bull's not normal?

Seemed normal enough to me.

Old Goat CID

Psychiatrists say that 1 of 4 people are mentally ill.
Check three friends. If they're ok, you're it.
Nitespark - 05 Feb 2004 17:14 GMT
>>>>In fact, what about May? The Kentucky Gentleman and I have recently
>>>>entered into preliminary planning stages for just such a trip.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Wyatt again, let me know.  The one time I made it down the visibility was
> pretty bad.  I'd like to see the Busch at least once, on a nice day.

Lee,
The viz was probably 40-50 ft when we dove it.  Only drawback was a
nasty current.  Seas were probably 1-2 ft, if that.  So, I guess you
can't have everything.  The Busch is a great wreck to dive as I
mentioned.  Sitting upright in the sand....not to shallow...not too deep.

Andy

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Lee Bell - 06 Feb 2004 07:14 GMT
> The viz was probably 40-50 ft when we dove it.  Only drawback was a
> nasty current.  Seas were probably 1-2 ft, if that.  So, I guess you
> can't have everything.  The Busch is a great wreck to dive as I
> mentioned.  Sitting upright in the sand....not to shallow...not too
> deep.

You surely can have everything, you just have to get lucky.  Our visibility
was a bit worse, but maybe not by much.  I've not done the Busch before, but
I've done Looe Key many times.  The visibility can be very good in that area
. . . or not.  Current, we deal with.  It's an occasional factor on all of
our deeper water.

I was there specifically to dive with Jim and other friends from this group.
They were a much begger attraction to me than the wreck.  We have no lack of
good wrecks here in Ft. Lauderdale and, truth be told, wrecks are not my
preference.  You've ween one, you've seen them all . . . except for the
Tenneco Towers, which are more reef than wreck these days, and the wreck of
any submarine, something I've never seen from underwater.

Lee
Nitespark - 06 Feb 2004 10:19 GMT
>>The viz was probably 40-50 ft when we dove it.  Only drawback was a
>>nasty current.  Seas were probably 1-2 ft, if that.  So, I guess you
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> .. . . or not.  Current, we deal with.  It's an occasional factor on all of
> our deeper water.

OK, perhaps I am greedy.

> I was there specifically to dive with Jim and other friends from this group.
> They were a much begger attraction to me than the wreck.  We have no lack of
> good wrecks here in Ft. Lauderdale and, truth be told, wrecks are not my
> preference.  You've ween one, you've seen them all . . . except for the
> Tenneco Towers, which are more reef than wreck these days, and the wreck of
> any submarine, something I've never seen from underwater.

I really like wrecks.  Can't really explain, but especially the ones
with some history behind them such as those sunk in war, but I still
enjoy diving the skuttled ships also.

I have dove the U352 off the coast of Morehead City NC several times.
For whatever reason, I really didn't like that one as much as some
others.  However, it has a very interesting history behind it.  Great
story in Gary Gentile's book covering that area.

> Lee

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Lee Bell - 06 Feb 2004 14:11 GMT
> I really like wrecks.  Can't really explain, but especially the ones
> with some history behind them such as those sunk in war, but I still
> enjoy diving the skuttled ships also.

I understand.  I really like reefs.  I can't explain either.  It's just a
matter of personal preference, I guess.  I might like real wrecks better
than the series of ships, boats, etc. that have been scattered over our
ocean bottom over the last 20 years or so, but the carefully prepared ones
don't hold a lot of attraction.  I kind of like the idea of finding some
really cool, perhaps historic artifact or, at least the appearance that I'm
diving on something that was not placed there to keep me amused.  I don't
get that from the carefully prepared and placed wrecks.

I like wall diving best.  Unfortunately, there aren't any real walls here in
S. Florida.  Fortunately, there is one in Bimini, which is only a couple
hours from here by boat, at least by my boat.

The Tenneco Towers I mentioned are old oil rigs that were sunk off the coast
of Ft. Lauderdale.  They're multilevel wonders of marine life.  Really very
nice.

Lee
Nitespark - 06 Feb 2004 17:14 GMT
>>I really like wrecks.  Can't really explain, but especially the ones
>>with some history behind them such as those sunk in war, but I still
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> diving on something that was not placed there to keep me amused.  I don't
> get that from the carefully prepared and placed wrecks.

I guess when I am exploring a wreck, be it skuttled or sunk in war, I
think about the people who used to walk the decks.  What has that ship
gone through before it winds up in its final resting place.  What kind
of stories would be told if the ship could talk.

It is interesting you should mention the artifact.  I have never found
any type of historical artifact, it is quite common on some of wrecks I
have dove.  One wreck, the "Shurz" off the coast of NC, was loaded with
war supplies and it is still not uncommon to recover small arms munitions.

In Dec 2002, I was on the diveboat Olympus, and Capt George had recently
recovered a sextant from the German submarine U-352.  There are some
wrecks off the coast of VA. Beach where you can still recover some of
the cargo.

> I like wall diving best.  Unfortunately, there aren't any real walls here in
> S. Florida.  Fortunately, there is one in Bimini, which is only a couple
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> of Ft. Lauderdale.  They're multilevel wonders of marine life.  Really very
> nice.

Have you ever been to the Salt Piers in Bonaire?  I hear they are
great...especially with a night dive.

Andy
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Lee Bell - 06 Feb 2004 19:57 GMT
> Have you ever been to the Salt Piers in Bonaire?  I hear they are
> great...especially with a night dive.

Never been there.  I'm not much of a world traveler.  When you grow up in S.
Florida, there's not a lot of incentive to travel elsewhere.  I've been to
all of theCaymans, to Cozuem and to a lot of the Bahamas, but that's about
it.

Lee
Nitespark - 06 Feb 2004 20:58 GMT
>>Have you ever been to the Salt Piers in Bonaire?  I hear they are
>>great...especially with a night dive.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> all of theCaymans, to Cozuem and to a lot of the Bahamas, but that's about
> it.

I have seen uw video of the Salt Piers and there is an abundance of
fishlife there.  As I remember you needed a permit from the HarborMaster
to dive there, or perhaps that was another pier in Bonaire, can't
remember, but the video was impressive.

As far as marine and coral life, there isn't that much difference that I
saw between Bonaire and Cayman Brac.  However, it seems to me, the coral
in Cayman Brac was "configured" differently.  In Cayman Brac, there were
lots of canyons, arches, swim-thrus and that sort of thing that I never
saw in Bonaire or Curacao.

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Grumman-581 - 07 Feb 2004 14:41 GMT
> Never been there.  I'm not much of a world traveler.  When you grow up in S.
> Florida, there's not a lot of incentive to travel elsewhere.

Don't you ever have a desire to go somewhere like Nebraska, Kansas, or Iowa,
just to get away from all the tourists? <grin>
Lee Bell - 07 Feb 2004 15:43 GMT
>> Never been there.  I'm not much of a world traveler.  When you grow
>> up in S. Florida, there's not a lot of incentive to travel elsewhere.
>
> Don't you ever have a desire to go somewhere like Nebraska, Kansas,
> or Iowa, just to get away from all the tourists? <grin>

I don't think I've ever been to Nebraska, but I spent a lot of time in
Kansas just last year.  Sometimes I like to get away from the tourists, but
that usually means another boat trip somewhere.  It doen't have to be far.
There are two or three anchorages within an hour of my dock where you don't
have to pay and you don't have to talk to anyone.

Lee
Jim Wyatt - 08 Feb 2004 02:05 GMT
> Don't you ever have a desire to go somewhere like Nebraska, Kansas, or
> Iowa, just to get away from all the tourists? <grin>


I do.

So on Wednesday the wife & I are headed to the mountains near Denver for
a week. I will be staying at a friends' lodge .. check it out at
www.southplatteoutfitters.com

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Jammer Six - 08 Feb 2004 04:56 GMT
> So on Wednesday the wife & I are headed to the mountains near Denver for
> a week.

Excellent!

A week of no wyatt boy!

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Grumman-581 - 08 Feb 2004 06:33 GMT
> So on Wednesday the wife & I are headed to the mountains near Denver for
> a week. I will be staying at a friends' lodge .. check it out at
> www.southplatteoutfitters.com

Pssst, Jim... Colorado has a lot of tourists during the winter... Something
about the snow, I think... <grin>
Lee Bell - 08 Feb 2004 13:38 GMT
"Jim Wyatt" wrote ...

> So on Wednesday the wife & I are headed to the mountains near Denver
> for a week. I will be staying at a friends' lodge .. check it out at
> www.southplatteoutfitters.com

There's something wrong with the camera.  The ground seems to be going up
and down all over the place.  It's not nearly flat enough . . . unless I'm
skiing, of course..

Lee
Nitespark - 08 Feb 2004 10:59 GMT
>>Don't you ever have a desire to go somewhere like Nebraska, Kansas, or
>>Iowa, just to get away from all the tourists? <grin>
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> a week. I will be staying at a friends' lodge .. check it out at
> www.southplatteoutfitters.com 

Looks kind of shallow but definitely a dry suit dive.

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David Gintz \(formerly newdiver2@aol.com\) - 08 Feb 2004 15:00 GMT
> So on Wednesday the wife & I are headed to the mountains near Denver for
> a week. I will be staying at a friends' lodge .. check it out at
> www.southplatteoutfitters.com

Hey Jim:

When I was diving with you in November, you said you NEVER go anywhere cold.
I guess you're not planning on doing any skiing or such?

- David (in NH)
Jim Wyatt - 08 Feb 2004 15:20 GMT
>> So on Wednesday the wife & I are headed to the mountains near Denver
>> for a week. I will be staying at a friends' lodge .. check it out at

> When I was diving with you in November, you said you NEVER go anywhere
> cold. I guess you're not planning on doing any skiing or such?

> - David (in NH)

David: I rarely do. we went there last year & braved the single digit
temps & 3-4 feet of snow. Skiing? no way.

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Scott - 08 Feb 2004 15:32 GMT
> David: I rarely do. we went there last year & braved the single digit
> temps & 3-4 feet of snow. Skiing? no way.

Denver itself is an armpit, but the mountains are glorious.

Have a ball.
Grumman-581 - 07 Feb 2004 14:31 GMT
> In Dec 2002, I was on the diveboat Olympus, and Capt George had recently
> recovered a sextant from the German submarine U-352.  There are some
> wrecks off the coast of VA. Beach where you can still recover some of
> the cargo.

Perhaps that's one reason that no one dives the "Fitz"... Recovering iron
ore is probably not all that glamorous of a souvineer... Then again, the
depth might have *something* to do with it...
Nitespark - 08 Feb 2004 00:27 GMT
>>In Dec 2002, I was on the diveboat Olympus, and Capt George had recently
>>recovered a sextant from the German submarine U-352.  There are some
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> ore is probably not all that glamorous of a souvineer... Then again, the
> depth might have *something* to do with it...

Oh heck, why not go down 500 and some odd feet to get an iron ore pellet.

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Grumman-581 - 08 Feb 2004 06:29 GMT
> Oh heck, why not go down 500 and some odd feet to get an iron ore pellet.

Yeah, it would look so *nice* sitting on the mantle, right? <grin>

Now, if you brought up the screw or the anchor from the Fitz, I would be
more impressed... If you hat either of them sitting on your mantle, I might
even be more impressed (at the size of your living room mainly)... <grin>
Nitespark - 08 Feb 2004 11:01 GMT
>>Oh heck, why not go down 500 and some odd feet to get an iron ore pellet.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> more impressed... If you hat either of them sitting on your mantle, I might
> even be more impressed (at the size of your living room mainly)... <grin>

I was gonna do that on the next dive. :)

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rick_simms@sharks.eat.spammers.bellsouth.net) (Rick Simms - 07 Feb 2004 02:03 GMT
¥On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:30:29 -0500, Nitespark <nitespark@cox.net>
¥wrote:

¥
¥In fact, what about May? The Kentucky Gentleman and I have recently
¥entered into preliminary planning stages for just such a trip.
¥Nothing's carved in stone, but it might just happen.
¥
¥JF
¥
¥"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them."
¥- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)

Finalizing open dates now. I'll e-mail in a few days.

Rick Simms
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Despite how you may have personally felt about the
issue, there was a good logical reason for removing
the Ten Commandments monument from the Alabama Supreme
Court building.

You cannot post things like "Thou Shalt Not Steal,"
"Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery", and "Thou Shall Not Lie"
in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians.
It creates a hostile work environment.
John Francis CID - 07 Feb 2004 03:02 GMT
>Finalizing open dates now. I'll e-mail in a few days.

Good.

JF

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chilly - 04 Feb 2004 06:26 GMT
Thanks for sharing Nitespark.  Good report.

> After having had 4 dive trips cancelled in a row for weather or other
> reasons, I was ready to get wet.  I ended up carrying over too many
[quoted text clipped - 145 lines]
> I am certain we only saw a fraction of the things to do in Key West and
> I certainly would love to return some day to tour and dive again.
Niels Hejnfelt - 04 Feb 2004 21:39 GMT
Unfortunately, I hadn't started diving, when I took my family  there in
1999, but i am hoping to return again, and go diving with my now 18 yrs old
son.
It sounds like you were having a nice trip, and I enjoyed reading your
report.
BTW, we stayed at a B&B just nearby the Southernmost Point at $ 100,- (2
adults+2 kids).

Niels Hejnfelt,Denmark Europe
Salty - 05 Feb 2004 00:04 GMT
> After having had 4 dive trips cancelled in a row for weather or other
> reasons, I was ready to get wet.  
<snipping for space>

Nice report.  I'm glad you guys had a good time. :) Curious
though...does your NDSU usually take something for seasickness or does
she normally not need it ??
Nitespark - 05 Feb 2004 07:03 GMT
>>After having had 4 dive trips cancelled in a row for weather or other
>>reasons, I was ready to get wet.  
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> though...does your NDSU usually take something for seasickness or does
> she normally not need it ??

Thats the weird part.  When she gets on a boat, she normally has an iron
stomach. I am the one that normally gets seasick, so if I know I am
going out on a boat, I will take some Bonine or Triptone.  A few years
back, we were at Va. Beach and got on a whale watching boat.  The seas
were relatively calm, may 2-3 ft and this was a fairly good size boat.
I got kinda queezy but she did fine.  However, she can just look at an
airplane and get nauseated and I am ready to run up and down the isle
swiping everyone elses food tray. :)

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George Price - 05 Feb 2004 01:19 GMT
Nice report Andy.

George

> After having had 4 dive trips cancelled in a row for weather or other
> reasons, I was ready to get wet.  I ended up carrying over too many
[quoted text clipped - 145 lines]
> I am certain we only saw a fraction of the things to do in Key West and
> I certainly would love to return some day to tour and dive again.
Nitespark - 05 Feb 2004 07:05 GMT
Thanks George.

> Nice report Andy.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>reasons, I was ready to get wet.  I ended up carrying over too many
>>vacation days from last year and the powers that be at work were

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George Price - 07 Feb 2004 21:51 GMT
I forgot to ask you if you made it to Mallory Square for the sunset, and
menagerie of people and assorted creatures assembled thereon.

George

> Thanks George.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >>reasons, I was ready to get wet.  I ended up carrying over too many
> >>vacation days from last year and the powers that be at work were
Nitespark - 08 Feb 2004 00:54 GMT
We were going there one night but it got cloudy and we never made it to
Mallory Square for a sunset.  We heard it was the place to be.

> I forgot to ask you if you made it to Mallory Square for the sunset, and
> menagerie of people and assorted creatures assembled thereon.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>>>reasons, I was ready to get wet.  I ended up carrying over too many
>>>>vacation days from last year and the powers that be at work were

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George Price - 09 Feb 2004 04:07 GMT
The times we were there in June/July, I thought it a bit ironic that the sun
set over an island, so you couldn't actually watch it hit the ocean and
watch for the "green flash", but it was entertaining just as well.  My
favorite was when this guy dressed in full Scottish regalia was playing his
bagpipe.  He stopped for a bit, and about ten feet away was a guy with the
typical flowered "island type" shirt on with his twin conga drums.  They got
together and talked for awhile, and then broke into a highland bagpipe/
island conga drum jam.  Damndest thing I have ever seen for an eclectic mix.
Only in Mallory Square.

We did Mel Fishers as well.......the gold bar is pretty cool, eh?

We went there for a dolphin encounter, and got rained out the first day;
went back to the Best Western Suites ($125 with full kitchen) and the kids
opted for Ripley's on Duvall St.  It was a good way to spend a few hours.
The next day we did the dolphin encounter, and had the catamaran to
ourselves.  We had two dolphin come up behind the boat, but we were two slow
to get our stuff on and get in, and they left.  The boat operators put us in
front of two more swimming groups (that were sleeping) and had them pass by.
When they are sleeping, they don't interact.  They still swim while they are
sleeping.  We learned a lot on this trip......it's more of an educational
thing than "swim with Flipper".  They pointed out that when one sees a group
of dolphins swimming in a side by side formation, they are sleeping...they
shut off one side of their brain while the other side sleeps, and they won't
stop and interact with you. It was a lot of fun for a full day at sea with
no one else on board.

> We were going there one night but it got cloudy and we never made it to
> Mallory Square for a sunset.  We heard it was the place to be.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> >>>>reasons, I was ready to get wet.  I ended up carrying over too many
> >>>>vacation days from last year and the powers that be at work were
Lee Bell - 10 Feb 2004 03:41 GMT
> The times we were there in June/July, I thought it a bit ironic that the sun
> set over an island, so you couldn't actually watch it hit the ocean and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> island conga drum jam.  Damndest thing I have ever seen for an eclectic mix.
> Only in Mallory Square.

I bought my didgerie doo in Mallory square.

Lee
John Francis CID - 10 Feb 2004 13:29 GMT
>> Only in Mallory Square.
>
>I bought my didgerie doo in Mallory square.

So we should expect ersatz whale music live entertainement next time
during SI on Splashdown?

JF

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Nitespark - 10 Feb 2004 14:07 GMT
>>>Only in Mallory Square.
>>
>>I bought my didgerie doo in Mallory square.
>
> So we should expect ersatz whale music live entertainement next time
> during SI on Splashdown?

Wouldn't we need to tie his Kangaroo down first???

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Lee Bell - 10 Feb 2004 23:42 GMT
> >>>Only in Mallory Square.
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Wouldn't we need to tie his Kangaroo down first???

No worries, mate.

Lee
Nitespark - 11 Feb 2004 00:35 GMT
>>>>>Only in Mallory Square.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> No worries, mate.

G'Day

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John Francis CID - 11 Feb 2004 02:33 GMT
>>>>Only in Mallory Square.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Wouldn't we need to tie his Kangaroo down first???

I'll leave handling his kangaroo to you then.

JF

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Nitespark - 11 Feb 2004 03:11 GMT
>>>>>Only in Mallory Square.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I'll leave handling his kangaroo to you then.

So we tanned his hide when he died Clyde and thats it hangin' on the shed.

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Lee Bell - 10 Feb 2004 23:41 GMT
> >> Only in Mallory Square.
> >
> >I bought my didgerie doo in Mallory square.
>
> So we should expect ersatz whale music live entertainement next time
> during SI on Splashdown?

I've taken on cruises on the Island Girl, but am unlikly to take it on a wet
boat, particularly a dive boat.  I wanted one for years, but the only souce
I know of was Australia and the real ones are really expensive.  Mine is
made of bamboo, not a bad substitute considering I didn't have to take out a
second mortgage to get it.  Besides, as solo instruments go, it's even less
interesting than, say a conch shell horn.  Were you there when I
demonstrated mine?  It's so uninteresting, that Jayna does not let me take
it on the boat any more.

Circular breathing, which you have to master before you can claim to be able
to play the damned thing, is a real bitch.  I can make it make at least some
of the right noises, but as far as making continuous noice by circular
breathing, no joy.

Lee
John Francis CID - 11 Feb 2004 02:35 GMT
>> >> Only in Mallory Square.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>of the right noises, but as far as making continuous noice by circular
>breathing, no joy.

Reminds me of a bagless set of bagpipes.

JF

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