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Scuba Forum / General / February 2004For our resident lawyers and pool owners
Because of a bad windstorm, I had to replace the gate to our pool. The original gate was enormous: 4x8 ft. I figured that was part of the problem. I replaced it with a much smaller gate. It's only 4 1/2 feet high. The wife is worried about liability. I figure that any kid who can physically climb over the gate is mentally capable of knowing that they aren't supposed to. Where does my responsibility end...? suds P.S. Booked a three tank trip to "Rabbit Island" next week. >Because of a bad windstorm, I had to replace the gate to our pool. The >original gate was enormous: 4x8 ft. I figured that was part of the problem. >I replaced it with a much smaller gate. It's only 4 1/2 feet high. The >wife is worried about liability. I figure that any kid who can physically >climb over the gate is mentally capable of knowing that they aren't supposed >to. Where does my responsibility end...? Dunno. US litigation's an indoor sport. Try sticking a big sign on the gate, then. Words like "Danger of Drowning" or just "Danger". No, that'll attract 'em. As you were...  Signatureferret Best before: see end > Where does my responsibility end...? After you've followed the local laws. If your local laws call for a 6 foot fence and you only put up a 4.5 foot fence you're leaving yourself wide open to be sued ( and lose) if anything happens. > > Where does my responsibility end...? > > > After you've followed the local laws. If your local laws call for a 6 > foot fence and you only put up a 4.5 foot fence you're leaving > yourself wide open to be sued ( and lose) if anything happens. IF they find the body... <evil-grin> > Because of a bad windstorm, I had to replace the gate to our pool. > The original gate was enormous: 4x8 ft. I figured that was part of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > knowing that they aren't supposed to. Where does my responsibility > end...? Check with your local building code enforcement people or any fence company in your area. In my part of my state, the code requires higher fences are required around pools that are not screened in. Your 4.5 foot fence would not comply. While your logic may be fine, if somebody, particularly a child, were to be injured in your pool and you were found to be out of compliance with the codes, you could, in fact, find youself in very hot water. Lee >Because of a bad windstorm, I had to replace the gate to our pool. The >original gate was enormous: 4x8 ft. I figured that was part of the problem. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >P.S. Booked a three tank trip to "Rabbit Island" next week. There is a local bylaw requiring a minimum 5' high unscalable enclosure (read not easily climbed) for swimming pools in my town. Check your own municipality's ordinances. JF "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826) >Because of a bad windstorm, I had to replace the gate to our pool. The >original gate was enormous: 4x8 ft. I figured that was part of the problem. >I replaced it with a much smaller gate. It's only 4 1/2 feet high. The >wife is worried about liability. I figure that any kid who can physically >climb over the gate is mentally capable of knowing that they aren't supposed >to. Where does my responsibility end...? As other have said, comply with local laws/regulations. A call to your local building department should get you a quick answer regarding local requirements. In general, you can exceed these requirements if you wish, but if you do not at least meet them, it is not legal. This could cause you problems in and of itself. Beyond that, you failure to comply with the law could increase your liablity and might even be a reason for your insurance not to cover you. This is especially true now that you know, from these postings, that you need to check on and follow local requirements. BTW, this is one of the reasons I do NOT have a pool. SignatureCharlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying) All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. > >Because of a bad windstorm, I had to replace the gate to our pool. The > >original gate was enormous: 4x8 ft. I figured that was part of the problem. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > BTW, this is one of the reasons I do NOT have a pool. I'm under the opinion that a pool is a wonderful thing... for a friend to have. > BTW, this is one of the reasons I do NOT have a pool. I didn't want the pool either. It came with the house. It is nice, though. Especially after spending all day working on the house. suds >I didn't want the pool either. It came with the house. It is nice, though. >Especially after spending all day working on the house. My wife and I are considering a build-in hot-tub/spa. When we have a few thousand dollars that desperately needs to be spent. (Yeah, right.) SignatureCharlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying) All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. > My wife and I are considering a build-in hot-tub/spa. > When we have a few thousand dollars that desperately needs to be spent. > (Yeah, right.) Actually, one of my first jobs on this house was to be installing a 5 woman-1 man hot tub beside the pool. But first I had to get the lava rock waterfall out of the way. I was about half way through with that job when that storm struck about three weeks ago. I'm still cleaning up after it. I've got one more skylight to install (It's 16'x3'. I'll need some help.) and one more gate to replace. Then it's back to the rock pile. Which I'm looking forward to because it gives me a reason to make my neighbor remove his derelict vehicle from my front yard. suds > > My wife and I are considering a build-in hot-tub/spa. > > When we have a few thousand dollars that desperately needs to be spent. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > suds Derelict vehicles, trees impeding the view, why'd you buy the house again? :-) > Derelict vehicles, trees impeding the view, why'd you buy the house again? > :-) Welcome to Oahu. There are very few neighborhoods on this Island that aren't "mixed." Mine is no exception. Next to $1M homes you'll have shotgun shacks where three generations of impoverished live. The house behind me (with the trees) is a rental. There's about 10 twenty-somethings living there. The house is fast approaching becoming a "scrape off." Perhaps that is what the owner wants because he obviously won't put any money into it. The roof is covered with tarps to stop the leaking from all the rain we've been getting. A tarp will get you through a storm but will only make the problem worse if used as a long-term fix. Across the street from me is where the derelict vehicles live. There's three generations (of people) living in one small house. At some point, the Grandfather made enough money to buy a house. Now his kids make a subsistence living by fishing. If you're out this way and would like a fresh crab dinner, I'll hook you up. These guys bring home some beauties. But they are still living with Mom and now so are their kids. Their yard is filled with cars, boats, bikes, toys and other stuff. One of them has taken to parking his car on my front yard because he can use the rocks from my waterfall to chock his tires to prevent the car from rolling downhill. I don't say anything because I don't want to offended them for two reasons: One, they are friendly and there is always someone over there. That means that I don't have to worry about my kids or my house. There is always someone around who will look out for them. Two, they are Native Hawaiian. If you don't understand that second point, then you need to get out in the world a bit more. suds > > Derelict vehicles, trees impeding the view, why'd you buy the house again? > > :-) [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > suds I'm assuming it's kind of like native North Carolinian, only more tan... :-) Now that you mention it, I do need to get out in the world a but more. Maybe I'll come visit sometime. C Guynn .. ... it gives me a reason to make my neighbor remove >his derelict vehicle from my front yard. You need a reason to do that???? SignatureCharlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying) All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. Charlie, I don't have a pool either but wouldn't mind having one. What I wouldn't have is a trampoline, now that looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Although lately I've seen them screen enclosed, that might make it a bit safer. Paul snipped > BTW, this is one of the reasons I do NOT have a pool. > Charlie, > I don't have a pool either but wouldn't mind having one. Your first house with a pool with cure you of that desire... > > Charlie, > > I don't have a pool either but wouldn't mind having one. > > Your first house with a pool with cure you of that desire... Lots of people said that a pool is " a lot of work" but I haven't found that to be true. It's like ten minutes a day and a half-hour on saturday morning. The benifits, though... Once I'm done flipping through rec.scuba, I plan on grabbing a beer and jumping in the pool for a quick cool down before bed. suds > I'm done flipping through rec.scuba, > I plan on grabbing a beer and jumping > in the pool for a quick cool down > before bed. So, rec.scuba gets you so "hot and bothered" that you need to cool down before going to bed? <snicker> I never quite perfected the chemical balance part of my pool maintenance and thus my pool oscillated between a toxic waste dump (from too many chemicals) to a biological hazard (from the things growing it it)... Back when I had a DE filter, it was a lot more trouble since it seemed to be breaking a filter element every couple of weeks... Once I switched to a sand filter it was a lot better in that maintenance on the equipment was cut down quite a bit... > > I'm done flipping through rec.scuba, > > I plan on grabbing a beer and jumping [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So, rec.scuba gets you so "hot and bothered" that you need to cool down > before going to bed? <snicker> It's the pictures of you in a wetsuit that do it... C|;^{) suds > > I'm done flipping through rec.scuba, > > I plan on grabbing a beer and jumping [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > element every couple of weeks... Once I switched to a sand filter it was a > lot better in that maintenance on the equipment was cut down quite a bit... it is a lot harder to break sand... :) > it is a lot harder to break sand... :) As I found out... So very true... Actually, my water looked better with the sand filter than it did with the DE filter... Probably because the DE filter was always breaking an element and leaking... .. >Lots of people said that a pool is " a lot of work" but I haven't found that >to be true. It's like ten minutes a day and a half-hour on saturday >morning. Add it up -- every day, every week, including vacation and holidays and... Well, SOME people would consider that "a lot of work"! And don't for get fall pool closing and spring pool opening -- depending where you are located. > The benifits, though... Once I'm done flipping through rec.scuba, >I plan on grabbing a beer and jumping in the pool for a quick cool down >before bed. Kinda the way I feel about having a hot-tub / spa some day. If you really do this frequently, then for you the work may be worth it. Most people find that they don't use a pool that often. I live in a comunity where there are two comunity pools, both within waling distance (2-3 blocks). One of them is even heated. For reasons that I do not comprehend, many homes in our comunity also have private pools. Go figure. SignatureCharlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying) All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. > I live in a comunity where there are two comunity pools, both within > waling distance (2-3 blocks). One of them is even heated. > For reasons that I do not comprehend, many homes in our comunity also > have private pools. Go figure. Even stranger, if you go off to a beautiful tropical resort you will not only typically find a pool just 60 seconds walk from a perfectly good ocean, but you will find people using it even though the ocean isn't the least bit crowded. As a dive-related side note, on our last trip to Grand Cayman we stayed in a pool view unit, the patio of which was 25 feet from one of the showers. This turned out to be enormously convenient for gear maintenance. SignatureSteve The above can be construed as personal opinion in the absence of a reasonable belief that it was intended as a statement of fact. If you want a reply to reach me, remove the SPAMTRAP from the address. >Even stranger, if you go off to a beautiful tropical resort you will not only >typically find a pool just 60 seconds walk from a perfectly good ocean, but you will >find people using it even though the ocean isn't the least bit crowded. Unfortunately, the ocean seldom has a swim-up bar. SignatureCharlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying) All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. > Unfortunately, the ocean seldom has a swim-up bar. > > -- You have a chioce tho... in the ocean you have incontinent fishes pissing in the water... in the pool you have incontinent babies pissing in the water... which would you rather have ? There may be hygiene rules saying no pissy babies in the water... But I've found mums rarely pay any attention to those rules... rhys Steve <SPAMTRAPglawackus@hvc.rr.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Even stranger, if you go off to a beautiful tropical resort you will not only :typically find a pool just 60 seconds walk from a perfectly good ocean, but you will :find people using it even though the ocean isn't the least bit crowded. No sand on your feet after using the pool. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > Add it up -- every day, every week, including vacation and holidays and... > Well, SOME people would consider that "a lot of work"! That's what the pool man is for. My work consists of writing a check every couple months. > And don't for get fall pool closing and spring pool opening -- depending > where you are located. Southern California. > I live in a comunity where there are two comunity pools, both within > waling distance (2-3 blocks). One of them is even heated. > For reasons that I do not comprehend, many homes in our comunity also > have private pools. Go figure. 1) I can swim naked. 2) I can swim alone. 3) I can swim late at night or the wee hours of the morning. 4) I can allow alcoholic beverages to be served, music, a nearby BBQ. Go figure. > > > Charlie, > > > I don't have a pool either but wouldn't mind having one. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I plan on grabbing a beer and jumping in the pool for a quick cool down > before bed. I enjoyed having a pool and didn't mind the chemistry part (go figure). What I *didn't* like was the electrical bill, especially two summers ago when electricity costs in California skyrocketed. $1,000/month to run a pool motor gets old really quick (fortunately, it was only that bad once, and dropped back below $500 after a few months). > I enjoyed having a pool and didn't mind the chemistry part (go figure). > What I *didn't* like was the electrical bill, especially two summers > ago when electricity costs in California skyrocketed. $1,000/month to > run a pool motor gets old really quick (fortunately, it was only that > bad once, and dropped back below $500 after a few months). Were you running the pump 24/7? I've been running our pump 12h/d because the pool was such a mess when we moved in and our entire electric bill (lights, washer/dryer, fridge, water heater..) has been about $300/mo. That's in Hawaii where all electricity is generated from fuel oil so it's expensive stuff to use. I just backed the time I run the filter each day off to 10 hours to save money. Sadie, our Black Labrador Retriever and the original "suds", has just arrived from my brother's house on the mainland and she loves the pool. We'll have to see what that does to the chemistry and filtering. suds > > I enjoyed having a pool and didn't mind the chemistry part (go figure). > > What I *didn't* like was the electrical bill, especially two summers [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > suds Most people I know with pools, (We dont have one ourselves... witht he whaf and harbour just down the road and harbour frontage both sides of the farm... why bother...) run their filter pumps on a timer. usually something like half an hour every three or four hours. Their pools seem to be clean enough. rhys > Most people I know with pools, (We dont have one ourselves... witht he whaf > and harbour just down the road and harbour frontage both sides of the > farm... why bother...) run their filter pumps on a timer. usually something > like half an hour every three or four hours. Their pools seem to be clean > enough. The literature I have says a "minimum of 10 continuous hours a day. Preferably during daylight." suds > > Most people I know with pools, (We dont have one ourselves... witht he > whaf [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The literature I have says a "minimum of 10 continuous hours a day. > Preferably during daylight." I don't have any literature. Mine runs 6 hours a day, between 12 a.m. and 6 a.m. The neighbors probably hate the noise but it doesn't bother me. > > The literature I have says a "minimum of 10 continuous hours a day. > > Preferably during daylight." > > I don't have any literature. Mine runs 6 hours a day, between 12 a.m. and 6 > a.m. The neighbors probably hate the noise but it doesn't bother me. Hmm. And no problems? I just had to "super shock" mine. One day I noticed a little algae growing in a corner. I brushed it away and added some more chlorine and ... a week later the water looked like pea soup. "Super Shocking" involves dumping a large quantity of chemicals into the water and raising the chlorine level up to ~250ppm. Two days later, the water is back to a beautiful, crystal-clear, blue. It'll be a few days before the chlorine level returns back to the accepted 3-5ppm which kind of sucks because I'm back to pounding on that rock pile and a cool dip in the pool would be a nice reward after a couple hours of that hell. Oh well, the joys of home ownership. Hope to be out on a three tanker this weekend, Greg. Any diving for you? suds > I just had to "super shock" mine. One day I noticed a little algae growing > in a corner. I brushed it away and added some more chlorine and ... a week > later the water looked like pea soup. That's the part about being a biological hazard of which I previously spoke... > "Super Shocking" involves dumping a > large quantity of chemicals into the water and raising the chlorine level up > to ~250ppm. Two days later, the water is back to a beautiful, > crystal-clear, blue. That's the part about being a toxic waste dump... Mine alternated between the two before I hired the pool service... > Hmm. And no problems? Nope. The neighbors are pretty old. Perhaps they just don't hear it. > I just had to "super shock" mine. One day I noticed a little algae growing > in a corner. I brushed it away and added some more chlorine and ... a week [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > on that rock pile and a cool dip in the pool would be a nice reward after a > couple hours of that hell. Oh well, the joys of home ownership. No problems at all in the winter. It's cold here in California. Last summer though, I had the same experience as yours - an instant swamp. That's when I decided to hire a poolman since I'm way too lazy to diligently prevent that from happening again. > Hope to be out on a three tanker this weekend, Greg. Any diving for you? Other than the four dives in the Channel Islands (2 at San Clemente, 2 at Catalina) I did over the weekend to finish my Draeger certification, no more diving for me until Thursday as my plane doesn't land in Grand Cayman until late tomorrow afternoon. I'm not lugging the Draeger since I only have 3 diving days there, but I hope to get in at least 3-4 dives each of those days depending on the hangover level and the weather. Funny, the latest issue of California Diving News (obligatory reading while on the dive boat) has an article about diving Waikiki and I of course thought about you while reading it. What it has to do with California, I have no idea, but it was Dale Sheckler's article and he coincidentally happens to be the editor so there it was. Here's a copy of the article, albeit with fewer pictures: http://www.saintbrendan.com/cdnjanfeb04/travel1.html So maybe I do have an excuse to stay on Oahu. Be seeing you soon. Get that pool done. <snipping a bit to clean things up> The San Pedro and YO-257 is a really good dive. You can easily blow a tank on each but because of the depth, no dive charter will let you. The Corsair is nice too but other than one small plane, there nothing else to see. That's ok since it's at 115', you don't really have a lot of time to kill anyway. There are plenty of other places where the tourists don't go. I'm told that Kane'ohe Bay (my front yard) has lots of great diving. I just need to stop working on the house, put the kayaks up on the Minivan, and head out. The pool is "open" again. It's the hot tub that is not finished. It's still buried below that rock pile. Send me an email when you are headed out this way. I'll see about hooking you up with some club dives. The price is right as long as you can get along with the military folks. suds That bad eh? My wife's parents had an in ground, they liked it except for the constant cleaning. Paul > > Charlie, > > I don't have a pool either but wouldn't mind having one. > > Your first house with a pool with cure you of that desire... > BTW, this is one of the reasons I do NOT have a pool. My current house has a pool and I've never worried about some kid falling into it... I guess if it did happen, I would sneak out late one night and dump the body in the community pool... <evil-grin> The potential liability is not a consideration in my reasoning that my NEXT house will NOT have a pool... It's too much work and expense for the amount of time that I actually have to spend in it, so I'll be damned if the next house that we buy after we finish selling this one will have a pool... .. > ... The potential liability >... [and] It's too much work and expense for the amount of time ... Are reasons why homes with pools are less marketable. (Or so I have been told by real estate agents.) I guess there are more people who do NOT want a home pool than there are who do. SignatureCharlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying) All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. > .. > > ... The potential liability > >... [and] It's too much work and expense for the amount of time ... > > Are reasons why homes with pools are less marketable. > (Or so I have been told by real estate agents.) That's highly dependant on the location. Pools are a financial burden to the homeowner, and tend to be a plus in expensive neighborhoods (as least in Southern California). I have no idea how they effect prices in other parts of the country and world (JF?). > I guess there are more people who do NOT want a home pool > than there are who do. > Are reasons why homes with pools are less marketable. > (Or so I have been told by real estate agents.) > > I guess there are more people who do NOT want a home pool > than there are who do. I suspect that it is either the new home buyers or perhaps the home buyers who have never owned a pool who think that they want a pool at their next house... Although it is nice to have at certain times, all in all, I do not think that I will buy a house with one again... Perhaps if I had more time to enjoy it, I might think differently, but as it was, I might have used it a dozen times throughout the entire year... Even then, it was too warm most of the time to be refreshing when you jumped into it... Around 85F is about the warmest that I want it... When it gets to 90F, it sucks... > I suspect that it is either the new home buyers or perhaps the home buyers > who have never owned a pool who think that they want a pool at their next [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of the time to be refreshing when you jumped into it... Around 85F is about > the warmest that I want it... When it gets to 90F, it sucks... Where the #$%^% do you live. I live in Hawaii. My pool is unheated. Right now its a very refreshing 75. suds > Where the #$%^% do you live. I live in Hawaii. My pool is unheated. Right > now its a very refreshing 75. My house (and swiming pool) is in Houston, although I'm in New Orleans most of the time these days... The pool doesn't have any sort of shade over it, so it absorbs quite a bit of solar energy during the summer... > > Where the #$%^% do you live. I live in Hawaii. My pool is unheated. > Right [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of the time these days... The pool doesn't have any sort of shade over it, > so it absorbs quite a bit of solar energy during the summer... My pool (or, at least the closest thing I've got to one) is located in the Davis Mountains Near Fort Davis, TX. It is spring fed and almost never gets above 76 (and never below 68). 125,000 (IIRC) gallons of summer delight. SignatureC Guynn "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents...." --James Madison > >Because of a bad windstorm, I had to replace the gate to our pool. The > >original gate was enormous: 4x8 ft. I figured that was part of the problem. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > not to cover you. This is especially true now that you know, from > these postings, that you need to check on and follow local requirements. Done! According to the local building department, the gate must be "at least 4.5' but not more than 6'. So we are all set there. Now there is that final skylight to replace and, of course, the waterfall to get rid of. Where are all my rec.scuba pals when I need them. I promise not to talk about sending Bush to the Haig... suds .. >Done! > >According to the local building department, the [pool] gate must be >"at least 4.5' but not more than 6'". Great. You lucked out. One wonders -- why "not more that 6'". Is that esthetics? Or is there a safety or other reason? SignatureCharlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying) All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. > .. > >Done! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > One wonders -- why "not more that 6'". > Is that esthetics? Or is there a safety or other reason? Esthetics. >>One wonders -- why "not more that 6'". >>Is that esthetics? Or is there a safety or other reason? > > Esthetics. So there's must be a rule that prohibits painting it in ugly colors, too? SignatureSteve The above can be construed as personal opinion in the absence of a reasonable belief that it was intended as a statement of fact. If you want a reply to reach me, remove the SPAMTRAP from the address. > So there's must be a rule that prohibits painting it in ugly colors, too? Why would you want to paint your fence an ugly color? > > >Because of a bad windstorm, I had to replace the gate to our pool. The > > >original gate was enormous: 4x8 ft. I figured that was part of the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > of course, the waterfall to get rid of. Where are all my rec.scuba pals > when I need them. I promise not to talk about sending Bush to the Haig... Unfortunately, my plane ticket hasn't arrived yet. Are you sure you sent it? ;-) > suds > > > >Because of a bad windstorm, I had to replace the gate to our pool. The > > > >original gate was enormous: 4x8 ft. I figured that was part of the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Unfortunately, my plane ticket hasn't arrived yet. Are you sure you sent > it? ;-) Neither has mine.. ;) rhys > Now there is that final skylight to replace and, > of course, the waterfall to get rid of. Where are all my rec.scuba pals > when I need them. I'll be landing in Honolulu in 8 days, 10 hours (notice how I'm not counting the minutes). Can you have me back at the airport by noon the next day? SignatureSteve The above can be construed as personal opinion in the absence of a reasonable belief that it was intended as a statement of fact. If you want a reply to reach me, remove the SPAMTRAP from the address. > Because of a bad windstorm, I had to replace the gate to our pool. The > original gate was enormous: 4x8 ft. I figured that was part of the problem. > I replaced it with a much smaller gate. It's only 4 1/2 feet high. The > wife is worried about liability. I figure that any kid who can physically > climb over the gate is mentally capable of knowing that they aren't supposed > to. Where does my responsibility end...? At disposing of the body? Or does your pool service provide that for you? <evil-grin> > Because of a bad windstorm, I had to replace the gate to our pool. The > original gate was enormous: 4x8 ft. I figured that was part of the problem. > I replaced it with a much smaller gate. It's only 4 1/2 feet high. The > wife is worried about liability. I figure that any kid who can physically > climb over the gate is mentally capable of knowing that they aren't supposed > to. Where does my responsibility end...? If someone drowns in your pool, there is a good chance you will get screwed, no matter what the circumstances are. Its the culture of America. Best thing you can do, short of getting rid of the pool, is to get the most homeowner's liability insurance you can afford. >Best thing you can do, short of getting rid of the pool, is to get the >most homeowner's liability insurance you can afford. Nope. The best thing is to get an umbrella liability policy, and then carry the minimum liability allowed by the umbrella on your homeowner's and auto policies. SignatureCharlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying) All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. Are you going with Matt from Hickam? >P.S. Booked a three tank trip to "Rabbit Island" next week. > >P.S. Booked a three tank trip to "Rabbit Island" next week. Yep. Will you be there? suds |
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