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Scuba Forum / General / March 2004Jaw/Head pain while/after diving
Have any of you experienced jaw pain while diving, or immediately afterwards, or been diagnosed with temporal mandibular dysfunction? It's also referred to as divers mouth syndrome. I'm doing research for a magazine article. Thanks, H > Have any of you experienced jaw pain while diving, or immediately > afterwards, or been diagnosed with temporal mandibular dysfunction? It's > also referred to as divers mouth syndrome. I'm doing research for a magazine > article. > Thanks, > H Really? What magazine, and when did researchers start asking for anecdotal evidence in internet news groups?  Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Have any of you experienced jaw pain while diving, or immediately > afterwards, or been diagnosed with temporal mandibular dysfunction? It's > also referred to as divers mouth syndrome. I'm doing research for a magazine > article. > Thanks, > H You omitted "joint" TMJ temporal mandibular joint dysfunction This is not a problem limited to people who dive. I've never heard it referred to as "divers mouth syndrome".... Contact an oral surgeon near you. Forest Aten > > Have any of you experienced jaw pain while diving, or immediately > > afterwards, or been diagnosed with temporal mandibular dysfunction? It's [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Forest Aten I never heard of it either, but I did find one referenced article on a medline search. Several other articles popped up for TMJ Syndrome: N Y State Dent J 1982-10-1 48(8) 523-5, Goldstein GR, Katz W, Divers mouth syndrome. Buck "War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over." -William Tecumseh Sherman "Hannah Hoag" <hoag@nasw.org> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Have any of you experienced jaw pain while diving, or immediately :afterwards, or been diagnosed with temporal mandibular dysfunction? It's :also referred to as divers mouth syndrome. I'm doing research for a magazine :article. Not me. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > Have any of you experienced jaw pain while diving, or immediately > afterwards, or been diagnosed with temporal mandibular dysfunction? > It's also referred to as divers mouth syndrome. I'm doing research > for a magazine article. Sure. Jaw pain is pretty common for newer divers and, sometimes, experienced divers who have not been in the water for a while. Generally speaking it results from gripping the moutpiece too tightly for an extended period of time. Most often this is a result of anxiety, which is why it tends to effect newer divers and those who have been out of the water more. It can also result from a poor configuration, hoses that pull or twist the mouthpiece because they are too short, not flexible enough or are poorly routed. The cure is easy. You can either quite diving or dive often enough to relax in the water and you can adjust your equipment configuration until it allows you to retain the second stage without gripping it tightly. BTW, since I wrote this, you can't copy it and sell it. Sorry. Lee > BTW, since I wrote this, you can't copy it and sell it. Sorry. But he may be able to liberally quote you under a fair use exception. Otherwise you could sue me merely for doing the above. And that raises an interesting question. Does the quoting of a post in its entirety, something the fair use exceptions rarely allow, violate copyright laws? It has always been considered bad netiquette to not edit a quoted post but is it also illegal? From the Copyright and Fair Use website, Stanford University Libraries: "If you are commenting upon or critiquing a copyrighted work--for instance, writing a book review -- fair use principles allow you to reproduce some of the work to achieve your purposes." "Some" is the key word there. The question might also hinge on whether or not a newsgroup posting is a copyrightable work. Perhaps the act of posting to a public newsgroup somehow implies that the author dedicated the post to the public domain. I don't know whether or not that's ever been tested. Perhaps I might, though. If someone pisses me off one day by copying a very long post of mine just to add a two or three word sentence reply at the end, I'll sue them in federal court and see how they like messing with netiquette then. Now if I could only figure out a way to sue someone for top-posting . . . > > BTW, since I wrote this, you can't copy it and sell it. Sorry. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Now if I could only figure out a way to sue someone for top-posting . . . How many is "some"? >The question might also hinge on whether or not a newsgroup posting is a >copyrightable work. Perhaps the act of posting to a public newsgroup [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Now if I could only figure out a way to sue someone for top-posting . . . If a dysfunctional poster child for ultra-liberalism can figure out a way to sue a city because a cat in a library scratched his "assistance" dog, I'm sure you could figure out something (of course, suing is the easy part. Winning is the hard part). http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/sat/metro/news_1mi31cat.html Alan > If a dysfunctional poster child for ultra-liberalism can figure out a way to > sue a city because a cat in a library scratched his "assistance" dog, I'm sure > you could figure out something (of course, suing is the easy part. Winning is > the hard part). > > http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/sat/metro/news_1mi31cat.html Interesting case. The city never should have kept a cat in the library, nor should they have allowed the plaintiff to bring his "assistive" dog in the library if he didn't obviously need it. Animals are a liability. They do animal-like acts and the owners get blamed. >> If a dysfunctional poster child for ultra-liberalism can figure out a way >to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >library if he didn't obviously need it. Animals are a liability. They do >animal-like acts and the owners get blamed. You're right about the cat, but unfortunately it appears that the dog is allowed. "Assistance animals" apparently now include any animal that assists you, not just seeing eye dogs. This guy claims he can't function in life without his doggy with him, and can take it into any place a seeing eye dog would be allowed. The most telling part of this case is that no attorney would take it on. Even the most liberal, hungry and/or unethical attorneys in Southern California felt he had no case. > The most telling part of this case is that no attorney would take it > on. Even the most liberal, hungry and/or unethical attorneys in > Southern California felt he had no case. Which says only that the attorneys felt there was no money to be won. He could still get an attorney to represent him if HE were willing to pay the legal bill. Am I right, Greg? -- Don't like the looks of nudists? Complain to the manufacturer. > Which says only that the attorneys felt there was no money to be won. He could > still get an attorney to represent him if HE were willing to pay the legal bill. > Am I right, Greg? No, Bert, you are wrong. Most if not all states may impose sanctions against an attorney for filing a case that has no legal and/or factual merit. It's up to the attorney to investigate the law and facts prior to filing. In the past, judges rarely awarded sanctions and opposing attorneys rarely asked for them. That has radically changed with clogged courts and the introduction of "fast tracking". Attorneys are sanctioned all the time now for infractions as minor as late discovery responses or missing a BS status conference hearing (the latter cost me $50 once). In one case I was involved in at my previous firm, we pursued and the judge granted a $10,000 sanction against another attorney for including our clients as codefendants in a fraud case without sufficient factual basis to do so. California Code of Civil Procedure sec. 128.5 further provides "(a) Every trial court may order a party, the party's attorney, or both to pay any reasonable expenses, including attorney' s fees, incurred by another party as a result of bad-faith actions or tactics that are frivolous or solely intended to cause unnecessary delay. This section also applies to judicial arbitration proceedings under Chapter 2.5 (commencing with Section 1141.10) of Title 3 of Part 3." > > Which says only that the attorneys felt there was no money to be won. He > could [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > of Title 3 of > Part 3." I stand corrected. My experience in the past has been different than this. -- Don't like the looks of nudists? Complain to the manufacturer. > You're right about the cat, but unfortunately it appears that the dog > is allowed. "Assistance animals" apparently now include any animal that > assists you, not just seeing eye dogs. This guy claims he can't > function in life without his doggy with him, and can take it into any > place a seeing eye dog would be allowed. I found this on a website advising North Dakota landlords of their legal rights - whether it's correct, I have no idea: "State and federal laws guarantee the right of service animals to accompany their disabled partners any place open to the public. Therapy or assistive animals are not entitled to this benefit." The difference being that service animals actually work for the disabled owner while assistive/therapy dogs are merely there for companionship. Whether anyone makes a distinction, though, is questionable. For instance, Qualcomm Stadium states: "SERVICE ANIMALS: Persons with disabilities are permitted to bring service animals into the stadium. No certification of the animal or documentation of a person's medical condition or disability is required." If they don't require any documentation of a disability then I can say anything I want to bring my therapy doggie in to watch a Chargers game. > The most telling part of this case is that no attorney would take it > on. Even the most liberal, hungry and/or unethical attorneys in > Southern California felt he had no case. He should have called me. > > The most telling part of this case is that no attorney would take it > > on. Even the most liberal, hungry and/or unethical attorneys in > > Southern California felt he had no case. > > He should have called me. Are you saying that you are even more liberal, more hungry, and more unethical than the rest of the lawyers in SoCal? > > He should have called me. > Are you saying that you are even more liberal, more hungry, and more > unethical than the rest of the lawyers in SoCal? Almost 2 weeks after the initial post. Shame on you again. > > > He should have called me. > > > Are you saying that you are even more liberal, more hungry, and more > > unethical than the rest of the lawyers in SoCal? > > Almost 2 weeks after the initial post. Shame on you again. That's exactly why he did it. He's been pulling these funnies ever since the issue first arose. He's a brat. ;^) > > "Grumman-581" <grumman581-YYYY-MM@cox.net> wrote in message > news:<7NS4c.4450$Cf3.3121@lakeread01>... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That's exactly why he did it. He's been pulling these funnies ever since > the issue first arose. He's a brat. ;^) Yea, I know. I find him to be a cute brat though. He has such a warped sense of humor... one on par to my own. I like him... what can I say ?? :) > Yea, I know. I find him to be a cute brat though. He has such a warped > sense of humor... one on par to my own. I like him... what can I say > ?? :) I'm an equal opportunity offender... > That's exactly why he did it. He's been pulling these funnies ever since > the issue first arose. He's a brat. ;^) Brat? Nawh... a.shole, perhaps, but never a brat... <snicker> > Almost 2 weeks after the initial post. Shame on you again. Hey, I looked to see if anyone had made a similar comment... Since no one else had made such a comment, I couldn't just let an opportunity to razz Greg pass by... <evil-grin> Anyway, it's a slow network connection over here... <grin> What's wrong with top posting? "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Now if I could only figure out a way to sue someone for top-posting . . . Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ There are thousands of newsgroups. I follow 25 of them myself, only a few discourage top posting. > What's wrong with top posting? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- > There are thousands of newsgroups. I follow 25 of them myself, only a few > discourage top posting. SignatureA: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? >There are thousands of newsgroups. I follow 25 of them myself, only a few >discourage top posting. And how many of the are populated by WebTV users? Alan Street <alan@nonono_irsi.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :And how many of the are populated by WebTV users? The significance being? Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ >Alan Street <alan@nonono_irsi.com> pounded away at his keyboard >resulting in: >:And how many of the are populated by WebTV users? > >The significance being? WebTV'ers generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette. > ?Alan Street <alan@nonono_irsi.com> pounded away at his keyboard > ?resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > WebTV'ers generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette. Not to worry, Dan is just being his typically obtuse self. Gotta admit, it wouldn't be the same here without his jabs. >> ?Alan Street <alan@nonono_irsi.com> pounded away at his keyboard >> ?resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Gotta admit, it wouldn't be the same here without his jabs. Absolutely. And the fact that he's actually right once in a great while keeps people on their toes. Alan, Newsgroups generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette (sorry, I'm a top poster unless point by point rebuttal is required. My thinking is that this way you don't have to scroll down through everything you've previously read) Paul > ?Alan Street <alan@nonono_irsi.com> pounded away at his keyboard > ?resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > WebTV'ers generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette. >Alan, >Newsgroups generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette >(sorry, I'm a top poster unless point by point rebuttal is required. My >thinking is that this way you don't have to scroll down through everything >you've previously read) >Paul Actually, many newsgroups do. Top posting is OK when it's a short reply to a single message. It's not OK when there are multiple messages (retained for context) or when the original post needs to be longer than a page. Remember that you're not the only one reading and responding to a post, and that another reader might be seeing the post/thread for the first time (with previous posts since deleted from their news server). >> ?Alan Street <alan@nonono_irsi.com> pounded away at his keyboard >> ?resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> WebTV'ers generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette. Paul, You just make too much sense for this newsgroup ;-) Good to see ya back. SignatureKristyna The decisions you make in an instant are the ones that define your true character. > Alan, > Newsgroups generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > WebTV'ers generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette. Kristyna, Hi to you too. :-) Haven't done much diving lately, nothing but work. I'm saving up for a boat this spring. Next dive will probably be in April for the annual trip to Florida. Splashdown here we come. Paul > Paul, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > > > WebTV'ers generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette. Alan Street <alan@nonono_irsi.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :WebTV'ers generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette. What sort of netiquette do computer users practice that Web TV people don't? Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ >Alan Street <alan@nonono_irsi.com> pounded away at his keyboard >resulting in: >:WebTV'ers generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette. > >What sort of netiquette do computer users practice that Web TV people >don't? Computer users may or may not have learned some on-line manners. WebTV users almost never have. > Alan Street <alan@nonono_irsi.com> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: > :WebTV'ers generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette. > > What sort of netiquette do computer users practice that Web TV people > don't? Computer users don't try to adjust the antenna when their connection goes down. > Alan Street <alan@nonono_irsi.com> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: > :WebTV'ers generally don't bother with social niceties like netiquette. > > What sort of netiquette do computer users practice that Web TV people > don't? Ummm... to start with, they don't post from their tv... :-) > Dan Bracuk > If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- "Chris Guynn" <chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Ummm... to start with, they don't post from their tv... :-) In what way is posting from a television less polite than posting from a computer? Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > "Chris Guynn" <chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> pounded away at > his keyboard resulting in: > :Ummm... to start with, they don't post from their tv... :-) > > In what way is posting from a television less polite than posting from > a computer? it's a television... hello :-) > Dan Bracuk > If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- > What's wrong with top posting? SignatureA: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? "Kimber" <k@tekdivegirl.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? Those that brag then quit? Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ "Dan Bracuk, CTHD" <NOTbracuk@pathcom.com> wrote in message > Those that brag then quit? There was no bragging --- and we disagree on judging answers that are not already spelled out and answered via the last time you did this. *shrug* Of course your game - your rules - your judging - I choose not to play a game I don't feel is fair. Kimber SignatureVitality shows in not only the ability to persist but the ability to start over. - F. Scott Fitzgerald > But he may be able to liberally quote you under a fair use exception. > Otherwise you could sue me merely for doing the above. OK. If/when he/she does, I'll employ you to recover whatever money we can, 50/50 split OK? > Now if I could only figure out a way to sue someone for top-posting . I'm sure you can sue. I hope you wouild lose. Lee > OK. If/when he/she does, I'll employ you to recover whatever money we can, > 50/50 split OK? Hell yeah. After you advance all expenses, of course. > > Now if I could only figure out a way to sue someone for top-posting . > > I'm sure you can sue. I hope you wouild lose. I can't believe I'm hearing this. Top-posting is just another example of the moray decay in our country, like graffiti and "reality TV". If we don't put a stop to it soon we'll be no better than the Canadians. >> OK. If/when he/she does, I'll employ you to recover whatever money >> we can, 50/50 split OK? > > Hell yeah. After you advance all expenses, of course. My; mommy didn't raise any children that foolish . . . well, actually, she did, but she didn't raise any male children that foolish. >>> Now if I could only figure out a way to sue someone for top-posting >>> . >> >> I'm sure you can sue. I hope you wouild lose. > I can't believe I'm hearing this. Top-posting is just another > example of the moray decay in our country, like graffiti and "reality > TV". If we don't put a stop to it soon we'll be no better than the > Canadians. Hey, graffiti has evolved into a very interesting art form. The only thing wrong with good graffiti is that somebody else, invariably somebody not as good, comes along and defaces it. Those that watch reality TV get what they deserve. The real reality is better off with them out of circulation. Lee > Hey, graffiti has evolved into a very interesting art form. The only thing > wrong with good graffiti is that somebody else, invariably somebody not as > good, comes along and defaces it. I dunno Lee. You might feel quite a bit differently if it was on the side of your house or any other building that you might own. > Those that watch reality TV get what they deserve. The real reality is > better off with them out of circulation. I still like Survivor. And I'm getting a kick out of the one where Tammy Faye Baker is rooming with the porn star. > > Hey, graffiti has evolved into a very interesting art form. The only > > thing wrong with good graffiti is that somebody else, invariably somebody not as > > good, comes along and defaces it. > I dunno Lee. You might feel quite a bit differently if it was on the side > of your house or any other building that you might own. Several businesses down here have bowed to the inevitable and actually invited grafitti artists in to do their thing. Some of the results are very good and, as a side benefit, the gangs that the artist comes from often protects the artwork from others and/or repairs it if damaged. Personally, I would not care for artwork, grafitti or otherwise, on the outside of my house, which brings me back to that discussion of what is acceptable force for preventing property crimes. > > Those that watch reality TV get what they deserve. The real reality is > > better off with them out of circulation. > I still like Survivor. And I'm getting a kick out of the one where Tammy > Faye Baker is rooming with the porn star. Huh? Maybe I've misjudged. Got a tape of it? Lee > > > Hey, graffiti has evolved into a very interesting art form. The only > > > thing wrong with good graffiti is that somebody else, invariably [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Several businesses down here have bowed to the inevitable and actually > invited grafitti artists in to do their thing. It's a compromise. I dunno why the business owners didn't just shoot the graffiti artists for trespassing, defacing property and just generally committing a crime. ;^) > Some of the results are very > good and, as a side benefit, the gangs that the artist comes from often > protects the artwork from others and/or repairs it if damaged. Personally, > I would not care for artwork, grafitti or otherwise, on the outside of my > house, which brings me back to that discussion of what is acceptable force > for preventing property crimes. You aren't willing to compromise then. > > > Those that watch reality TV get what they deserve. The real reality is > > > better off with them out of circulation. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Huh? Maybe I've misjudged. Got a tape of it? LOL, sorry. No. I was interested to learn that Ron Jeremy has a couple of degrees; one related to the film industry and the other in special ed. > LOL, sorry. No. I was interested to learn that Ron Jeremy has a couple of > degrees; one related to the film industry and the other in special ed. I saw Ron Jeremy at brunch on Christmas Day. Not your average L.A. celebrity sighting. > > LOL, sorry. No. I was interested to learn that Ron Jeremy has a couple > of > > degrees; one related to the film industry and the other in special ed. > > I saw Ron Jeremy at brunch on Christmas Day. Not your average L.A. > celebrity sighting. Um, I'm assuming everyone was dressed for brunch. > > > LOL, sorry. No. I was interested to learn that Ron Jeremy has a couple > > of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Um, I'm assuming everyone was dressed for brunch. Most people were dressed rather nice given the setting (St. Regis Hotel - Monarch Beach) and the occasion. Ron was in an old T-shirt, jeans, and sneakers but we were thankful he at least wore something. > > LOL, sorry. No. I was interested to learn that Ron Jeremy has a couple > of > > degrees; one related to the film industry and the other in special ed. > > I saw Ron Jeremy at brunch on Christmas Day. Not your average L.A. > celebrity sighting. He's actually a very funny guy. He drinks like a fish though. And he can't drive a golf cart worth a sh.t when tanked, either. -- Don't like the looks of nudists? Complain to the manufacturer. > It's a compromise. I dunno why the business owners didn't just shoot the > graffiti artists for trespassing, defacing property and just generally > committing a crime. ;^) You can in Texas... At least at night... Damn carpetbagger laws won't let us shoot them in daylight... Bummer... > Personally, I would not care for artwork, grafitti or otherwise, > on the outside of my house, which brings me back to that > discussion of what is acceptable force for preventing property > crimes. 12-gauge, but one should at least *try* to hit the spray paint can... Greg, LOL Paul > > OK. If/when he/she does, I'll employ you to recover whatever money we > can, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the moray decay in our country, like graffiti and "reality TV". If we don't > put a stop to it soon we'll be no better than the Canadians. > Greg, > LOL > Paul What's up Paul? I haven't seen you around in a long time. Welcome back. Greg, Thanks. Don't have access at work anymore due to being moved to a different area, plus they blocked posting to rec groups. I've been lurking on rec.boats as I plan to buy a used boat this spring. Good to see you're still around and kicking. Paul > > Greg, > > LOL > > Paul > > What's up Paul? I haven't seen you around in a long time. Welcome back. >> OK. If/when he/she does, I'll employ you to recover whatever money we >can, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >the moray decay in our country, like graffiti and "reality TV". If we don't >put a stop to it soon we'll be no better than the Canadians. Heaven forbid. JF "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826) > > OK. If/when he/she does, I'll employ you to recover whatever money we > can, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the moray decay in our country, like graffiti and "reality TV". If we don't > put a stop to it soon we'll be no better than the Canadians. Hey!! 1) You have more morays down there than we do up here. 2) you have more graffiti down there than we do up here 3) you have more "reality TV" coming out of the US than we do up here You guys are already in a class amongst itself. And I'll say no more about that. > > I can't believe I'm hearing this. Top-posting is just another example of > > the moray decay in our country, like graffiti and "reality TV". If we [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 1) You have more morays down there than we do up here. Yeah, but we don't have as many wolf eels. > 2) you have more graffiti down there than we do up here Only because everything up there is iced over 2/3 of the year. > 3) you have more "reality TV" coming out of the US than we do up here Don't rub it in. > You guys are already in a class amongst itself. And I'll say no more about that. We know. We're proud of it. Lee > > > I can't believe I'm hearing this. Top-posting is just another example > of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Yeah, but we don't have as many wolf eels. I dunno about that. Jammer? Scott? What say you in this regard? > > 2) you have more graffiti down there than we do up here > > Only because everything up there is iced over 2/3 of the year. Certainly true for the past few weeks. > > 3) you have more "reality TV" coming out of the US than we do up here > > Don't rub it in. :^) (snip) > > > > I can't believe I'm hearing this. Top-posting is just another example > > of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I dunno about that. Jammer? Scott? What say you in this regard? I only saw a few reefs in Florida, and the morays didn't seem as prevalent as wolfies are here. Both are good at avoiding detection, if they want to be. > I dunno about that. Jammer? Scott? What say you in this regard? We say that lee belongs in your killfile. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > > I can't believe I'm hearing this. Top-posting is just another example of > > the moray decay in our country, like graffiti and "reality TV". If we [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > 1) You have more morays down there than we do up here. Did I say moray? Must have been a Hogarthian slip. And yes we do. In fact, Southern California morays are bigger and meaner than any eel in Florida, so it's not only our lobsters and sharks that kick butt on the east coasters. >>> I can't believe I'm hearing this. Top-posting is just another >>> example of the moray decay in our country, like graffiti and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > eel in Florida, so it's not only our lobsters and sharks that kick > butt on the east coasters. Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble, but I doubt your morays are bigger than ours and your sharks just aren't doing their part for your state. Florida is the shark bite capital of the world. The Bull Shark, which is common here, is considered the most dangerous shark in the world and, if that's not enough, we've got Great Whites as well. There've been several caught near shore in the last few years. The only reason you don't hear about great white attackes is the Bulls, Tigers, Spinners and Hammerheads beat them to the punch. As I recall, your lobsters are pretty much the same as ours. You guys do, however, have abalone. I've not eaten any, but if they taste like they look, that's not a big deal. 8^) Lee > Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble, but I doubt your morays are bigger > than ours and your sharks just aren't doing their part for your state. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > about great white attackes is the Bulls, Tigers, Spinners and Hammerheads > beat them to the punch. Maybe not bigger, but better: "Ancient Romans bred moray eels in seaside ponds and supposedly fed them on live slaves. There are some 80 species and their flesh can be toxic. King Henry I of England (1068-1135) is supposed to have died from indigestion caused by eating moray eel." Yours are toxic, I believe. Ours aren't, though I haven't tried to eat one yet. > As I recall, your lobsters are pretty much the same as ours. Better. > You guys do, however, have abalone. I've not eaten any, but if they taste > like they look, that's not a big deal. 8^) We can't take them in Southern California. Those are a consolation prize for those crazy enough to freedive the frigid white-shark-infested waters of Northern California. But we have rock scallops, big fat and juicy. > > > I can't believe I'm hearing this. Top-posting is just another example > of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > fact, Southern California morays are bigger and meaner than any eel in > Florida, so > it's not only our lobsters and sharks > that kick butt on the east coasters. only someone who attacks and eats defenseless non maine lobsters could say that. maine lobsters can take care of themselves. > only someone who attacks and eats > defenseless non maine lobsters could say that. At least I don't cheat like those shifty Floridians who use all sorts of snares and tickle sticks and dynamite in order to catch their sluggish defenseless bugs. |
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