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Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 14 Jun 2009 00:08 GMT Obama's issues crumbling By Dick Morris Posted: 06/09/09 04:51 PM [ET] At last, there is convincing evidence that Obama's poll numbers may be descending to earth. While his approval remains high - and his personal favorability is even higher - the underlying numbers suggest that a decline may be in the offing. Even as he stands on his pedestal, the numbers under his feet are crumbling.
According to a Rasmussen poll, more voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats to handle the economy, by a margin of 45-39. Scott Rasmussen notes that "this is the first time in over two years of polling that the GOP has held the advantage on this issue." Last month, he had the Democrats holding a one-point lead, but they lost it in June's polling.
And the Democratic leads over Republicans on their core issues are also dropping. Particularly interesting is the Democratic decline over healthcare, from an 18-point lead in May to only 10 points now.
A Gallup poll also confirms that the president's personal ratings are high, but the underlying data less so. While 67 percent of voters give Obama personal favorable ratings and 61 percent approve of his job performance (Rasmussen has his job approval lower, at 55 percent), they give him much lower ratings on specific issues.
Gallup shows Obama getting only 55 percent approval on his handling of the economy (down from 59 percent in February) and finds that only 45 percent approve of his handling of federal spending while 46 percent approve of his treatment of the budget deficit.
As it becomes clearer that the deficit caused by spending has landed us in a new economic crisis, entirely of Obama's own making, his popularity and job performance are likely to drop as well.
The old recession - that the public says was caused by Bush - shows signs of winding down. But the new recession and/or inflation - triggered by Obama's massive deficits - is just now coming upon us.
If Obama refuses to cut back on his spending/stimulus plans (despite convincing evidence that Americans are not spending the money), he has three options:
a) He can raise taxes, which will trigger a deeper recession;
b) He can print money, which will trigger huge inflation;
c) He can pay more interest to borrow money, which will send the economy diving down again.
The blame for these outcomes will fall squarely on Obama's deficit and spending policies. The fact that Americans are aware of these issues, and already disapprove of Obama's performance on them, indicates that they will be increasingly receptive to blaming him for the "new" recession.
Interestingly, Obama's polling is now the exact opposite of President Clinton's in the days after Monica Lewinsky. Back then, the president's approval for handling specific issues was his forte, while his job approval remained high but his personal favorability lagged 20 points behind. Ultimately, it is a politician's performance on specific issues that determines his electability. Personal favorability withers in the face of issue differences. Obama is about to find out that you cannot rely on image to bolster your presidency when the underlying issues are crumbling.
All this data suggests that Obama might run out of steam just as he gets to his healthcare agenda. As unemployment mounts, month after month, and Obama's claims of job creation (or savings) ring hollow, it is possible that he will not have the heft to pass his radical restructuring of the healthcare system. The automaton Democratic majority may pass it anyway, but it will be a one-way ticket to oblivion if they do.
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Greg Mossman - 14 Jun 2009 20:10 GMT On Jun 13, 4:08 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> Obama's issues crumbling http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/opinion/14rich.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1245 006383-x7k4o4UzZokIHLFN/c8tYg
The Obama Haters’ Silent Enablers By FRANK RICH Published: June 13, 2009
WHEN a Fox News anchor, reacting to his own network’s surging e-mail traffic, warns urgently on-camera of a rise in hate-filled, “amped up” Americans who are “taking the extra step and getting the gun out,” maybe we should listen. He has better sources in that underground than most.
The anchor was Shepard Smith, speaking after Wednesday’s mayhem at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. Unlike the bloviators at his network and elsewhere on cable, Smith is famous for his highly caffeinated news-reading, not any political agenda. But very occasionally — notably during Hurricane Katrina — he hits the Howard Beale mad-as-hell wall. Joining those at Fox who routinely disregard the network’s “We report, you decide” mantra, he both reported and decided, loudly.
What he reported was this: his e-mail from viewers had “become more and more frightening” in recent months, dating back to the election season. From Wednesday alone, he “could read a hundred” messages spewing “hate that’s not based in fact,” much of it about Barack Obama and some of it sharing the museum gunman’s canard that the president was not a naturally born citizen. These are Americans “out there in a scary place,” Smith said.
Then he brought up another recent gunman: “If you’re one who believes that abortion is murder, at what point do you go out and kill someone who’s performing abortions?” An answer, he said, was provided by Dr. George Tiller’s killer. He went on: “If you are one who believes these sorts of things about the president of the United States ...” He left the rest of that chilling sentence unsaid.
These are extraordinary words to hear on Fox. The network’s highest- rated star, Bill O’Reilly, had assailed Tiller, calling him “Tiller the baby killer” and likening him to the Nazis, on 29 of his shows before the doctor was murdered at his church in Kansas. O’Reilly was unrepentant, stating that only “pro-abortion zealots and Fox News haters” would link him to the crime. But now another Fox star, while stopping short of blaming O’Reilly, was breaching his network’s brand of political correctness: he tied the far-right loners who had gotten their guns out in Wichita and Washington to the mounting fury of Obama haters.
What is this fury about? In his scant 145 days in office, the new president has not remotely matched the Bush record in deficit creation. Nor has he repealed the right to bear arms or exacerbated the wars he inherited. He has tried more than his predecessor ever did to reach across the aisle. But none of that seems to matter. A sizable minority of Americans is irrationally fearful of the fast-moving generational, cultural and racial turnover Obama embodies — indeed, of the 21st century itself. That minority is now getting angrier in inverse relationship to his popularity with the vast majority of the country. Change can be frightening and traumatic, especially if it’s not change you can believe in.
We don’t know whether the tiny subset of domestic terrorists in this crowd is egged on by political or media demagogues — though we do tend to assume that foreign jihadists respond like Pavlov’s dogs to the words of their most fanatical leaders and polemicists. But well before the latest murderers struck — well before another “antigovernment” Obama hater went on a cop-killing rampage in Pittsburgh in April — there have been indications that this rage could spiral out of control.
This was evident during the campaign, when hotheads greeted Obama’s name with “Treason!” and “Terrorist!” at G.O.P. rallies. At first the McCain-Palin campaign fed the anger with accusations that Obama was “palling around with terrorists.” But later John McCain thought better of it and defended his opponent’s honor to a town-hall participant who vented her fears of the Democrats’ “Arab” candidate. Although two neo- Nazi skinheads were arrested in an assassination plot against Obama two weeks before Election Day, the fever broke after McCain exercised leadership.
That honeymoon, if it was one, is over. Conservatives have legitimate ideological beefs with Obama, rightly expressed in sharp language. But the invective in some quarters has unmistakably amped up. The writer Camille Paglia, a political independent and confessed talk-radio fan, detected a shift toward paranoia in the air waves by mid-May. When “the tone darkens toward a rhetoric of purgation and annihilation,” she observed in Salon, “there is reason for alarm.” She cited a “joke” repeated by a Rush Limbaugh fill-in host, a talk-radio jock from Dallas of all places, about how “any U.S. soldier” who found himself with only two bullets in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden would use both shots to assassinate Pelosi and then strangle Reid and bin Laden.
This homicide-saturated vituperation is endemic among mini-Limbaughs. Glenn Beck has dipped into O’Reilly’s Holocaust analogies to liken Obama’s policy on stem-cell research to the eugenics that led to “the final solution” and the quest for “a master race.” After James von Brunn’s rampage at the Holocaust museum, Beck rushed onto Fox News to describe the Obama-hating killer as a “lone gunman nutjob.” Yet in the same show Beck also said von Brunn was a symptom that “the pot in America is boiling,” as if Beck himself were not the boiling pot cheering the kettle on.
But hyperbole from the usual suspects in the entertainment arena of TV and radio is not the whole story. What’s startling is the spillover of this poison into the conservative political establishment. Saul Anuzis, a former Michigan G.O.P. chairman who ran for the party’s national chairmanship this year, seriously suggested in April that Republicans should stop calling Obama a socialist because “it no longer has the negative connotation it had 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago.” Anuzis pushed “fascism” instead, because “everybody still thinks that’s a bad thing.” He didn’t seem to grasp that “fascism” is nonsensical as a description of the Obama administration or that there might be a risk in slurring a president with a word that most find “bad” because it evokes a mass-murderer like Hitler.
The Anuzis “fascism” solution to the Obama problem has caught fire. The president’s nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court and his speech in Cairo have only exacerbated the ugliness. The venomous personal attacks on Sotomayor have little to do with the 3,000-plus cases she’s adjudicated in nearly 17 years on the bench or her thoughts about the judgment of “a wise Latina woman.” She has been tarred as a member of “the Latino KKK” (by the former Republican presidential candidate Tom Tancredo), as well as a racist and a David Duke (by Limbaugh), and portrayed, in a bizarre two-for-one ethnic caricature, as a slant-eyed Asian on the cover of National Review. Uniting all these insults is an aggrieved note of white victimization only a shade less explicit than that in von Brunn’s white supremacist screeds.
Obama’s Cairo address, meanwhile, prompted over-the-top accusations reminiscent of those campaign rally cries of “Treason!” It was a prominent former Reagan defense official, Frank Gaffney, not some fringe crackpot, who accused Obama in The Washington Times of engaging “in the most consequential bait-and-switch since Adolf Hitler duped Neville Chamberlain.” He claimed that the president — a lifelong Christian — “may still be” a Muslim and is aligned with “the dangerous global movement known as the Muslim Brotherhood.” Gaffney linked Obama by innuendo with Islamic “charities” that “have been convicted of providing material support for terrorism.”
If this isn’t a handy rationalization for another lone nutjob to take the law into his own hands against a supposed terrorism supporter, what is? Any such nutjob can easily grab a weapon. Gun enthusiasts have been on a shopping spree since the election, with some areas of our country reporting percentage sales increases in the mid-to-high double digits, recession be damned.
The question, Shepard Smith said on Fox last week, is “if there is really a way to put a hold on” those who might run amok. We’re not about to repeal the First or Second Amendments. Hard-core haters resolutely dismiss any “mainstream media” debunking of their conspiracy theories. The only voices that might penetrate their alternative reality — I emphasize might — belong to conservative leaders with the guts and clout to step up as McCain did last fall. Where are they? The genteel public debate in right-leaning intellectual circles about the conservative movement’s future will be buried by history if these insistent alarms are met with silence.
It’s typical of this dereliction of responsibility that when the Department of Homeland Security released a plausible (and, tragically, prescient) report about far-right domestic terrorism two months ago, the conservative response was to trash it as “the height of insult,” in the words of the G.O.P. chairman Michael Steele. But as Smith also said last week, Homeland Security was “warning us for a reason.”
No matter. Last week it was business as usual, as Republican leaders nattered ad infinitum over the juvenile rivalry of Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich at the party’s big Washington fund-raiser. Few if any mentioned, let alone questioned, the ominous script delivered by the actor Jon Voight with the G.O.P. imprimatur at that same event. Voight’s devout wish was to “bring an end to this false prophet Obama.”
This kind of rhetoric, with its pseudo-Scriptural call to action, is toxic. It is getting louder each day of the Obama presidency. No one, not even Fox News viewers, can say they weren’t warned.
Chris Guynn - 15 Jun 2009 04:58 GMT > On Jun 13, 4:08 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > By FRANK RICH > Published: June 13, 2009 <snip>
Ummm... Pot (Frank Rich) meet Kettle (Fox Reporters)
I'm not saying it didn't need to be said... I am criticizing *the way* it was said.
If I've ever read a "call to action" that was veiled as a news report, that was it.
Lee Bell - 15 Jun 2009 12:15 GMT The minority has always been the most angry, and violent segment of society.
Nothing has changed except that now, the minority is white, working, citizen, taxpayers.
Bob - 15 Jun 2009 14:33 GMT -:The minority has always been the most angry, and violent segment of society. -: -:Nothing has changed except that now, the minority is white, working, -:citizen, taxpayers.
very interesting...
Lee Bell - 15 Jun 2009 15:55 GMT > -:The minority has always been the most angry, and violent segment of > society. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > very interesting... I probably should have added that, in the past, the non white, non working, non citizen, or non taxpayers, all the groups that were not in control, were not, for the most part, violent. Then, like now, there were a few that were.
I have to wonder how long it will be before middle class black or Hispanic people are as afraid to come into white areas as middle class white people have been to go into black or Hispanic areas for years. Changes going on are interesting, but I'd be a lot happier if I were watching them happen to somebody else.
Lee
Cam in Toronto - 15 Jun 2009 16:58 GMT > I have to wonder how long it will be before middle class black or Hispanic > people are as afraid to come into white areas as middle class white people > have been to go into black or Hispanic areas for years. Wow.
Greg Mossman - 15 Jun 2009 17:34 GMT > > I have to wonder how long it will be before middle class black or Hispanic > > people are as afraid to come into white areas as middle class white people > > have been to go into black or Hispanic areas for years. > > Wow. Exactly. Lots of middle class white people visit black and Hispanic areas of my city. I even went to Little Havana when I visited Miami. Lee obviously shelters himself and deludes himself into thinking the rest of Americans do likewise.
Black people have been afraid to go into certain white neighborhoods for years. Does Lee conveniently forget all the lynchings and burning crosses and beatings and truck draggings and being pulled over merely for "driving while black"? Of course he does.
Lee Bell - 15 Jun 2009 18:35 GMT >> I have to wonder how long it will be before middle class black or >> Hispanic >> people are as afraid to come into white areas as middle class white >> people >> have been to go into black or Hispanic areas for years.
> Wow. Interesting thought, no?
Greg Mossman - 15 Jun 2009 19:33 GMT > >> I have to wonder how long it will be before middle class black or > >> Hispanic [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Interesting thought, no? No. Racist? Yes.
But that comes as no surprise to anyone here.
Greg Mossman - 15 Jun 2009 17:24 GMT > In article <40qZl.55135$qa.11...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, > pleeb...@bellsouth.net says... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > very interesting... And entirely incorrect. White people are still the majority in this country by a large margin.
Chris Guynn - 15 Jun 2009 20:18 GMT >> In article <40qZl.55135$qa.11...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, >> pleeb...@bellsouth.net says... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > And entirely incorrect. White people are still the majority in this > country by a large margin. White people are still the majority, but what about white, working, citizen taxpayers?
Butthead - 16 Jun 2009 03:50 GMT > > In article <40qZl.55135$qa.11...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, > > pleeb...@bellsouth.net says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > And entirely incorrect. White people are still the majority in this > country by a large margin. Who cares?
I recently asked a fellow citizen of Indian (the Asian sub- continent) descent what attracted you towards this country (The USA). Why did you want to come here?
"Freedom and opportunity" was his response. Furthermore, "You really don't know how good you've got it here."
Even in these tough economic times. -- SJM
Even in tough (economic) times
Lee Bell - 16 Jun 2009 11:19 GMT > > -:Nothing has changed except that now, the minority is white, working, > > -:citizen, taxpayers. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And entirely incorrect. White people are still the majority in this > country by a large margin. Not at all. Our concept of minority has never actually hinged on who there was more of. In my home, there are more Hispanic people, more black people and more Jewish people, than "white" people, yet each of those groups is viewed as a minority. For many years, now, there have been more women in the job market than men, yet they, too, are considered a minority.
It has always been the ability to control that defined who was, and was not, a minority in this country and, at present, it's not white, working, citizen taxpayers.
It's going to get interesting because, the white, working, citizen taxpayers are no longer able to work, or run out of money to pay taxes, there's nobody there to take their place and, if the system is to survive, somebody has to pay the bills. Who knows who will be in control next. Whoever you think it might be, Rosetta Stone probably sells a language program to help you get along.
ben bradlee - 16 Jun 2009 12:53 GMT >> > -:Nothing has changed except that now, the minority is white, working, >> > -:citizen, taxpayers. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Whoever you think it might be, Rosetta Stone probably sells a language > program to help you get along. Lee, you're full of sh.t as ever! You've even created your own language, bravo. Poor whitey - he's on his last leg. ;-( You're race is firmly in charge.
Lee Bell - 16 Jun 2009 13:21 GMT > You've even created your own language, bravo. Not me. I'm simply an observer.
> Poor whitey - he's on his last leg. ;-( You're race is firmly in charge. Funny, I could swear that the President is black, that the Secretary of State is a Woman, and that the Speaker of the House is . . ., well, I'm not entirely sure what she is.
Scott - 16 Jun 2009 13:35 GMT > Not me. I'm simply an observer.
>> Poor whitey - he's on his last leg. ;-( You're race is firmly in >> charge.
> Funny, I could swear that the President is black, that the Secretary of > State is a Woman, and that the Speaker of the House is . . ., well, I'm > not entirely sure what she is. The whole mess is going to come apart like a cheap suit.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=7847478&page=1
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526562,00.html
Greg Mossman - 16 Jun 2009 19:35 GMT > > You've even created your own language, bravo. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > State is a Woman, and that the Speaker of the House is . . ., well, I'm not > entirely sure what she is. Yeah, that female race. Almost as bad as the blacks and Mexicans, huh?
Have you looked at the makeup of the Supreme Court BTW? Congress? Don't worry, you whiteys are still in charge and will be for a long time. You can put your pillowcase back on the pillow, no midnight rides necessary for at least another 10 years.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 16 Jun 2009 17:47 GMT > "Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> Lee, you're full of sh.t as ever! You've even created your own language, > bravo. Poor whitey - he's on his last leg. ;-( You're race is firmly in > charge. Got that rifle score yet, kennybenny?
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Scott - 16 Jun 2009 17:55 GMT > Got that rifle score yet, kennybenny? http://www.steynonline.com/content/blogsection/14/128/
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 16 Jun 2009 22:11 GMT > http://www.steynonline.com/content/blogsection/14/128/ That was good.
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Scott - 16 Jun 2009 22:27 GMT >> http://www.steynonline.com/content/blogsection/14/128/ > > That was good. Bigots on the left make it easy.
ben bradlee - 16 Jun 2009 18:41 GMT Ol' 99% Doug chimes in again. Way to go!
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 16 Jun 2009 22:11 GMT > Ol' 99% Doug chimes in again. Way to go! Guess that mean "no" in Weasel.
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ben bradlee - 16 Jun 2009 22:32 GMT >> Ol' 99% Doug chimes in again. Way to go! > > Guess that mean "no" in Weasel. Only you hear and understand weasel. You're the same guy - if memory serves - that can shoot the eye of a terrorist at 2,000 yards from a moving ship to a pitching boat. You're the consummate bad-a.s; righting wrongs and proving to the world that Superman really isn't that lean, muscular, man disguised in black-rimmed glasses. Well, 99% of the time anyway. Keep up the good work.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 17 Jun 2009 16:03 GMT > "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
>>> Ol' 99% Doug chimes in again. Way to go! >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > muscular, man disguised in black-rimmed glasses. Well, 99% of the time > anyway. Keep up the good work. Yeah, your mentor John Francis had a memory that served him just like that, too.
I was constantly proving him wrong to the point of delusion.
Speaking of your memory "serving" you, did it serve up that rifle score yet?
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Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 17 Jun 2009 16:54 GMT Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. -- Mahatma Gandhi, Gandhi, An Autobiography, page 446
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined, nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. -- Thomas Jefferson, 1764
Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn't. -- Ben Franklin
False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature ... laws not preventive but fearful of crimes. -- Beccaria
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. -- Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis
If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. -- The Dalai Lama
Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. ...A simple weapon -- so long as there is no answer to it -- gives claws to the weak. -- George Orwell
What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms. -- Thomas Jefferson
If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws. -- Edward Abbey
A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. -- George Washington
To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them. -- George Mason
War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill
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Bob - 17 Jun 2009 03:07 GMT -: -:"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in -:message news:d5Wdnfc6_Y57UarXnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@supernews.com... -:> -- -:> Popeye -: -:Ol' 99% Doug chimes in again. Way to go!
Sheepboy is not relevant to the question, again.
could he have missed the question, again?
Grumman-581 - 17 Jun 2009 19:39 GMT > I recently asked a fellow citizen of Indian (the Asian sub- > continent) descent what attracted you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Even in these tough economic times. I always figured that it was because they secretly wanted to eat beef and they had to come over here to insure it hadn't been a relative in a past life...
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Scott - 27 Jun 2009 00:27 GMT > Obama's issues crumbling > By Dick Morris [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > decline may be in the offing. Even as he stands on his pedestal, the > numbers under his feet are crumbling. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/26/AR2009062603361. html?hpid=topnews
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 27 Jun 2009 03:55 GMT >> Obama's issues crumbling >> By Dick Morris [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/26/AR2009062603361. html?hpid=topnews "Officials Say It Would Reassert Power To Hold Terror Suspects Indefinitely"
BUSH LIVES!
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Dennis (Icarus) - 27 Jun 2009 04:32 GMT >>> Obama's issues crumbling >>> By Dick Morris [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > BUSH LIVES! Change I can believe in.
Dennis
Scott - 28 Jun 2009 01:16 GMT >>>> Obama's issues crumbling >>>> By Dick Morris [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> > Change I can believe in. OBAMA TO IRAN: LET THEM EAT ICE CREAM
by Ann Coulter June 24, 2009
On Iran, President Obama is worse than Hamlet. He's Colin Powell, waiting to see who wins before picking a side.
Last week, massive protests roiled Iran in response to an apparently fraudulent presidential election, in which nutcase Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was declared the winner within two hours of the polls closing. (ACORN must be involved.)
Obama responded by boldly declaring that the difference between the loon Ahmadinejad and his reformist challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi, "may not be as great as advertised."
Maybe the thousands of dissenters risking their lives protesting on the streets of Tehran are doing so because they liked Mousavi's answer to the "boxers or briefs" question better than Ahmadinejad's.
Then, in a manly rebuke to the cheating mullahs, Obama said: "You've seen in Iran some initial reaction from the supreme leader" -- peace be upon him -- "that indicates he understands the Iranian people have deep concerns about the election."
Did FDR give speeches referring to Adolf Hitler as "Herr Fuhrer"? What's with Obama?
Even the French condemned the Iranian government's "brutal" reaction to the protesters -- and the French have tanks with one speed in forward and five speeds in reverse.
You might be a scaredy-cat if ... the president of France is talking tougher than you are.
More than a week ago, French president Nicolas Sarkozy said: "The ruling power claims to have won the elections ... if that were true, we must ask why they find it necessary to imprison their opponents and repress them with such violence."
But liberals rushed to assure us that Obama's weak-kneed response to the Iranian uprising and the consequent brutal crackdown was a brilliant foreign policy move. (They also proclaimed his admission that he still smokes "lion-hearted" and "statesmanlike.")
As our own Supreme Leader B. Hussein Obama (peace be upon him) explained, "It's not productive given the history of U.S.-Iranian relations to be seen as meddling."
You see, if the president of the United States condemned election fraud in Iran, much less put in a kind word for the presidential candidate who is not crazy, it would somehow crush the spirit of the protesters when they discovered, to their horror, that the Great Satan was on their side. (It also wouldn't do much for Al Franken in Minnesota.)
Liberals hate America, so they assume everyone else does, too.
So when a beautiful Iranian woman, Neda Agha Soltan, was shot dead in the streets of Iran during a protest on Saturday and a video of her death ricocheted around the World Wide Web, Obama valiantly responded by ... going out for an ice cream cone. (Masterful!)
Commenting on a woman's cold-blooded murder in the streets of Tehran, like the murder of babies, is evidently above Obama's "pay grade."
If it were true that a U.S. president should stay neutral between freedom-loving Iranian students and their oppressors, then why is Obama speaking in support of the protesters now? Are liberals no longer worried about the parade of horribles they claimed would ensue if the U.S. president condemned the mullahs?
Obama's tough talk this week proves that his gentle words last week about Ahmadinejad and Iran's "supreme leader" (peace be upon him) constituted, at best, spinelessness and, at worst, an endorsement of the fraud.
Moreover, if the better part of valor is for America to stand neutral between freedom and Islamic oppression, why are liberals trying to credit Obama's ridiculous Cairo speech for emboldening the Iranian protesters?
The only reason that bald contradiction doesn't smack you in the face is that it is utterly preposterous that Obama's Cairo speech accomplished anything -- anything worthwhile, that is. Not even the people who say that believe it.
The only reaction to Obama's Cairo speech in the Middle East is that the mullahs probably sighed in relief upon discovering that the U.S. president is a coward and an imbecile.
Two weeks ago, New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman was exulting over the "free and fair" national election in Lebanon, in which the voters threw out Hezbollah and voted in the "U.S.-supported coalition." (Apparently support from America is not deemed the vote-killer in Lebanon that it allegedly is in Iran.)
To justify his Times-expensed airfare to Beirut, Friedman added some local color, noting that "more than one Lebanese whispered to me: Without George Bush standing up to the Syrians in 2005 ... this free election would not have happened."
That's what Lebanese voters said.
But Friedman also placed a phone call to a guy at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace -- which he didn't have to go to Lebanon for -- to get a quote supporting the ludicrous proposition that Obama's Cairo speech was responsible for the favorable election results in Lebanon.
"And then here came this man (Obama)," Mr. Carnegie Fund said, "who came to them with respect, speaking these deep values about their identity and dignity and economic progress and education, and this person indicated that this little prison that people are living in here was not the whole world. That change was possible."
I think the fact that their Muslim brethren are now living in freedom in a democratic Iraq might have made the point that "change was possible" and "this little prison" is "not the whole world" somewhat more forcefully than a speech apologizing for Westerners who dislike the hijab.
Obama -- and America -- are still living off President Bush's successes in the war on terrorism. For the country's sake, may those successes outlast Obama's attempt to dismantle them.
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Greg Mossman - 28 Jun 2009 03:27 GMT > by Ann Coulter > June 24, 2009 > > On Iran, President Obama is worse than Hamlet. He's Colin Powell, waiting to > see who wins before picking a side. Didn't y'all gun nuts used to worship poor Colin Powell. I guess he ain't yo nigga no mo?
The problem is, after dissing poor Colin, and your RNC Chair Michael Steele, where are you gonna find any more tokens to color your brightness? An all-white, predominantly male "party", doesn't speak of American togetherness, instead it reeks of skinhead pseudohomo biker love, something you probably know way too much for the rest of us innocents to be exposed to.
You're a sick man, Scott Koplin. I hope one those fellow skinheads bites it right off.
Grumman-581 - 28 Jun 2009 08:26 GMT > Didn't y'all gun nuts used to worship poor Colin Powell. I guess he > ain't yo nigga no mo? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You're a sick man, Scott Koplin. I hope one those fellow skinheads > bites it right off. Colin is 72... As good as he once might have been, I'm afraid that Alzheimers has affected him... Let's remember him for what he was, not what he has deteriorated into...
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Lee Bell - 28 Jun 2009 13:38 GMT >> Didn't y'all gun nuts used to worship poor Colin Powell. I guess he >> ain't yo nigga no mo? Worship, no. Respect, yes, specifically because he wasn't any body's "nigga." When that changed, so did the respect. It's a shame.
>> The problem is, after dissing poor Colin, and your RNC Chair Michael >> Steele, where are you gonna find any more tokens to color your >> brightness? We don't do tokens, that's a Democrat tool to make their racism look less obvious to the uneducated. There are plenty of fine people of other colors available.
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Scott - 28 Jun 2009 15:02 GMT > Worship, no. Respect, yes, specifically because he wasn't any body's > "nigga." When that changed, so did the respect. It's a shame.
> We don't do tokens, that's a Democrat tool to make their racism look less > obvious to the uneducated. There are plenty of fine people of other > colors available. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-iran-britishembassy28-2009j un28,0,7411437.story
My, how times have changed.
Greg Mossman - 28 Jun 2009 19:43 GMT > > Worship, no. Respect, yes, specifically because he wasn't any body's > > "nigga." When that changed, so did the respect. It's a shame. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > My, how times have changed. Analysis: Obama scores major, much-needed victory
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090628/ap_on_an/us_obama_climate_analysis_3
"The nation that leads in the creation of a clean energy economy will be the nation that leads the 21st century global economy. Now is the time for the United States of America to realize this as well. And now is the time for us to lead."
Greg Mossman - 28 Jun 2009 19:26 GMT > >> Didn't y'all gun nuts used to worship poor Colin Powell. I guess he > >> ain't yo nigga no mo? > > Worship, no. Respect, yes, specifically because he wasn't any body's > "nigga." When that changed, so did the respect. It's a shame. As I recall, y'all were rooting for him to become President, claiming your color blindness. Apparently the blindness returned.
> >> The problem is, after dissing poor Colin, and your RNC Chair Michael > >> Steele, where are you gonna find any more tokens to color your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > obvious to the uneducated. There are plenty of fine people of other colors > available. Sure, white folks, white folks with red necks, white folks with blue collars, and even some yellow white folks with liver disease. All the colors under the sun!
Chris Guynn - 30 Jun 2009 19:51 GMT >>>> Didn't y'all gun nuts used to worship poor Colin Powell. I guess he >>>> ain't yo nigga no mo? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > As I recall, y'all were rooting for him to become President, claiming > your color blindness. Apparently the blindness returned. Not me... I was rooting for Condi.
>>>> The problem is, after dissing poor Colin, and your RNC Chair >>>> Michael Steele, where are you gonna find any more tokens to color [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > collars, and even some yellow white folks with liver disease. All the > colors under the sun! Scott - 30 Jun 2009 19:53 GMT "Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote in
> Not me... I was rooting for Condi. Ditto.
She's too smart to take the job.
Greg Mossman - 01 Jul 2009 01:15 GMT > "Chris Guynn" <chris.gu...@gmail.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > She's too smart to take the job. Why should she when she can make a lot more money in the private sector?
Al Franken's a smart guy too. Now you can finally call him Mr. Senator.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap_on_el_se/us_minnesota_senate_26
Bob - 01 Jul 2009 03:47 GMT In article <f66668f5-b599-4c5a-a1b4- b9e9f4a726ee@q11g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, mossman@qnet.com says... -:On Jun 30, 11:53 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@geemail.com> wrote: -:> "Chris Guynn" <chris.gu...@gmail.com> wrote in -:> -:> > Not me... I was rooting for Condi. -:> -:> Ditto. -:> -:> She's too smart to take the job. -: -:Why should she when she can make a lot more money in the private -:sector? -: -:Al Franken's a smart guy too. Now you can finally call him Mr. -:Senator. -: -:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap_on_el_se/us_minnesota_senate_26
right.
democrats without honor steal another election, anything to win.
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Greg Mossman - 01 Jul 2009 15:37 GMT > In article <f66668f5-b599-4c5a-a1b4- > b9e9f4a72...@q11g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, moss...@qnet.com says... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > democrats without honor steal another election, > anything to win. Sure, just like Gore stole the Presidential Election in 2000. Oh wait, that wasn't Gore who stole the election.
Well, Coleman could have appealed to the Supreme Court like W did.
Of course if you look at the case, you can see Coleman was arguing that the election standards be changed after the fact to conveniently suit him; of course the court laughed in his face:
"Coleman appealed to the state's high court, arguing election officials across Minnesota were inconsistent with rules on absentee ballots, unfairly robbing thousands of people of their votes. But the state's high court voted 5-0 that there was no reason to apply a more lenient standard in judging absentees, as Coleman wanted, than the law required.
"I think what you had was 12 judges look at this through the canvassing process, through the recount and throughout the trial, and all agreeing unanimously that I won more votes than anybody else in the election," Franken said.
"Coleman could have carried his fight into federal court, but it was unlikely to overturn the state Supreme Court's decision."
Since Franken got the majority of votes and this fact was confirmed by the judicial branch of the state, how, exactly, was this election stolen? It's not like they had some strangers in Washington decide for them like the Floridians did in 2000.
El Stroko Guapo - 01 Jul 2009 17:33 GMT > Sure, just like Gore stole the Presidential Election in 2000. Oh wait, > that wasn't Gore who stole the election. No, Gore didn't steal the election. He tried hard, but was prevented from doing so.
> Well, Coleman could have appealed to the Supreme Court like W did. No, when someone tries to steal a state election it goes to the state courts. When someone tries to steal a federal election it goes to the federal courts.
In this particular case, the state courts ruled on the validity of the popular vote according to the state's constitution.
In Gore's case, the federal court ruled on the validity of the electoral college according to the federal constitution.
Fortunately for Franken, and unfortunately for Gore, that's the way it works under the rule of law.
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Greg Mossman - 01 Jul 2009 20:50 GMT > > Sure, just like Gore stole the Presidential Election in 2000. Oh wait, > > that wasn't Gore who stole the election. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > courts. When someone tries to steal a federal election it goes to the > federal courts. I see, so when it's a state election for a federal position like U.S. President it goes to the federal courts, but when it's a state election for a federal position like U.S. Senator it goes to the state courts. Makes perfect sense to me!
> In this particular case, the state courts ruled on the validity of the > popular vote according to the state's constitution. State courts can rule on federal constitutional issues and federal courts can rule on state constitutional issues. Isn't that grand?
> In Gore's case, the federal court ruled on the validity of the electoral > college according to the federal constitution. State courts can rule on federal constitutional issues and federal courts can rule on state constitutional issues. Isn't that grand?
> Fortunately for Franken, and unfortunately for Gore, that's the way it > works under the rule of law. Except that Bush/Gore originally took the fight to the state court because it was a state election for a federal position. Bush appealed and the wizened decision of the Florida Supreme Court was overturned.
And likewise Franken/Coleman originally took the fight to the state court because it was a state election for a federal position. As the article says, Coleman decided not to appeal to the federal court because he likely would have lost: "Coleman could have carried his fight into federal court, but it was unlikely to overturn the state Supreme Court's decision."
And that's the way it works under the rule of law.
Lee Bell - 01 Jul 2009 04:08 GMT > Not me... I was rooting for Condi. Apparently, a better choice. I like her as well.
>>> We don't do tokens, that's a Democrat tool to make their racism look >>> less obvious to the uneducated. There are plenty of fine people of >>> other colors available.
>> Sure, white folks, white folks with red necks, white folks with blue >> collars, and even some yellow white folks with liver disease. All the >> colors under the sun! A very racist statement from a clearly racist person.
Greg Mossman - 01 Jul 2009 15:39 GMT > > Not me... I was rooting for Condi. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > A very racist statement from a clearly racist person. Yeah, those damn racist self-hating whiteys!
Amazing with all the sh.t you sling about Muslims and Mexicans, yet when I comment on how white the Republican party is, you cry racist even though I'm a lot whiter than you. Did you ever think of running for politics? You'd make a great Republican hypocrite.
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