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Trip Report - Mona Island on the Nekton Rorqual

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Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 14 Jan 2004 04:21 GMT
The Providers

Air Canada (www.aircanada.ca),     Park 'n Fly (www.parknfly.ca),
Nekton Cruises (www.nektoncruises.com).

The Travel

Before heading down, I spoke to the Nekton head office and they told
me to meet the rep from the boat at the Post Office, just outside the
terminal at San Juan Airport. After we landed, I got directions to
said post office and went there. There was another person there
looking for the Nekton rep, but no Nekton rep. After about 5 minutes,
the rep walked over and said hello. He had some other passengers
gathered about 50 metres from us. Speaking of tunnel vision, we had
walked right by them on the way to the post office.

Our flight home was delayed 2 hours due to inclement weather in
Toronto. When we finally got home it was rather quite chilly, and a
couple inches of snow had fallen. It was a wise decision to splurge
and get the Valet Parking.

Nekton Cruising

This was our second trip with Nekton Cruises. Here (
http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/Trips/NektonPilotNorth.htm ) is a link
to the other report. As a liveaboard diveboat company, Nekton sets
itself apart with it's SWATH technology which is supposed to greatly
reduce the motion of the boat while at sea. On our earlier trip we had
very calm seas and a very smooth ride. On this trip, the seas were a
bit rougher and while the ride was fairly smooth, we could tell we
were on a boat.

Something else that sets Nekton apart is the nightly presentations On
our earlier trip we listened to presentations on coral, fish, turtles,
and sharks. We watched the very same presentations on this trip. That
is not necessarily bad, it is simply what happened. Other similarities
between the two trips include crew introducions at the start, and
polaroids of the crew and all passengers on a bulletin board.

Like the Nekton Pilot, the Nekton Rorqual is a short wide boat that
carries a lot of passengers - 34 to be exact. Like the Nekton Pilot,
the staterooms are spacious, the salon, dining area, and sundeck are
very roomy, and the dive deck is very cramped.

The Nekton Roqual also has a desktop computer on board that is
available to the passengers. First time I have ever seen that on a
dive boat. We used this computer for the photo contest.

Nekton Diving

Most of the dives were normal liveaboard style dives. These took place
at sites where Nekton had mooring lines in place. Basically, the dive
deck was open from ~0815 to 1145 hrs, from 1315 to 1745 hrs, and
during the night dive. Anyone could dive and return as they pleased
during those times

Nekton also has something called a live dive. We did three of these.

A live dive is done at a spot where there is no mooring line and there
is little or no expected current. The crew prepares the dive site by
tying a marker ball off on the bottom somewhere. Then they divide the
divers into two groups. The boat backs up near the marker, and
everyone in each group starts at once. The two groups enter the water
about 15 minutes apart. At the end of the dive, all divers are
supposed to gather at the marker ball. Then the boat backs up near it,
and the divers then swim to the boat, climb the ladder (fins on),
climb four stairs (also fins on), and then they are on the dive deck.
This last step is done in groups of four.

The first live dive went ok. Patti and I never did see the marker and
at the end of the dive, we surfaced a couple of hundred metres down
current of the boat. However, they do have a small chase/rescue boat
which came and got us. We didn't get a ride though, we got a tow. That
was sort of an interesting experience, especially since I was holding
a camera.

The 2nd live dive didn't go quite as well. The wind kept blowing the
big boat around and the divers had trouble swimming to it. It took
over an hour to recover all the divers.

The 3rd live dive was quite the adventure because there was a fairly
brisk current. This turned the marker line into a flagpole. I was in
the first group of divers and the second group of four to return to
the boat. Between the safety stop and waiting for the first group to
get away, I was on that line for 13 minutes. Then I spent another 5
minutes holding on at the surface waiting for the boat to get into
position.

Other liveaboard companies do these types of dives with skiffs. Of
course, they don't have 34 divers.

The third type of dive is what Nekton calls drift diving. I call it
guided diving. We did one of these

Drift dives are done when there is no mooring line and a strong
current is anticipated. Like live dives, the divers are divided into
two groups. Each group is assigned a lead divemaster and a trail
divemaster. The lead divemaster tows a marker. The concept is that all
divers from each group enter at once, follow the lead divemaster, and
surface at once. Then, like on the live dives, the boat backs up the
markers and the divers return four at a time.

Our drift dive went smoothly. There was no current, but who cares.

Other liveaboard companies do these types of dives with skiffs. Of
course, they don't have 34 divers.

The Itinerary

We dove Desecheo Island on Sunday and Monday. On Tuesday, Wednesday
and Thursday we dove off Mona and Monita Islands (they are close
together). On Friday morning we dove of the west coast of Puerto Rico.

A better itinerary would have been Desecheo on Sunday, Mona from
Monday to Thursday, and Desecheo on Friday morning.

The Dive Sites

The dive sites off Desecheo Island were rather nice. They were all
flat reefs, maybe some sand, which made navigation a challenge, but I
only got lost once. The depths were in the 50 to 70 ft range. Water
was warm and clear, nice for diving.

The dive sites off Mona Island were fantastic, equal to anything I
have seen in the Caribbean (and I am well travelled). While there were
some walls, it was nicer on top. The reefs were exceptionally lush.
Like Desecheo, the depths were in the 50 to 70 foot range, if you
stayed on the reef, and not the wall.

Monito Island was different. The part above the water looked like a
smaller version of Darwin Island in the Galapagos, vertical cliffs
coming out the water and a flat top. The part below the water was a
vertical cliff going straight down to a hundred or so feet, and then a
sand bottom. At one end of the island were some rather large reef
structures, coming up within 40 ft of the surface. The wall had lots
of stuff on it, but, it was so vertical it seemed two dimensional. The
reef structures, on the other hand, were great.

Monito was where we did our 3rd live dive, the one with the current.
Did I mention that Monito is a very small island. We entered at one
end, I never kicked at all, and drifted to the other end in about 25
minutes. Would have been really interesting if there was no line to
grab.

Other Stuff

Once again, it was our pleasure to take a vacation with rec.scuba's
very own Pat McDuffee and his lovely wife Charlotte.

At least five of the passengers brought laptops. The most popular
activity was photo editing. One guy had some sort of dive profile
program, and one lady appeared to be using a word processor
application to log her dives.

During the intitial introductions, it was announced that E6 processing
was available, and that everyone was invited to submit their best
slides for the Thursday night photo competition. By the end of diving
on Tuesday, not one roll of film was processed. There were however, at
least 7 divers with digital cameras, so we decided to go digital for
the photo competition, and use the desktop computer on the boat. Later
it was announced that all entries had to be unaltered, which didn't
bother me at all. I do my photo editing at home. But, all those guys
with laptops were scrambling to find their original images.

One contestent, showing a bit of humour, had earlier done the Mona
Island run ashore, and had some iguana photos. She had copied and
iguana image next to a lizardfish, and entered that one in the
competition. Uproarious laughter abounded, but the photo was
disqualified. By the way, my entry was 3rd of 5.

Black durgeons are very shy fish, and hard to photograph. Also,
whenever approaching a fish with a camera, there is always that
decision of when to click. The closer you get, the better the picture.
Also, the closer you get, the more likely it is that the fish will
bugger off. So there was this durgeon floating just off the wall. I
made one approach to about 4 ft away, took a picture, and backed off.
Then I made an approach to about 3 ft away, took a picture and backed
off. The fish was still there. Then I started another approach. Tap,
tap, tap on my shoulder. I turned to see what my wife wanted. She
signalled that I should try to get closer. I nodded ok, turned around,
and there was the fish, gone. By the way, here is the fish (
www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/underwater/durgeon.htm ).

Climbing the ladder was ok with or without fins, but coming up the
stairs was definitely easier without. At first, I de-finned on the tag
line. Then, after the first live dives where we had to come up with
fins, I continued to do so. At first, I Charlie Chaplined up the
stairs. By the end of the trip I was going up backwards. It was
easiest that way.

When we went to Monita for our one live dive, the Captain obviously
thought that the dive was too tough for some of the passengers, and
gave a dive briefing designed to discourage those people from
attempting it. It worked. Even though I enjoyed the dive, I am not
entirely happy over what happened. As far as I am concerned, we all
paid the same price, we should all have the same dive opportunities.
The captain should have stuck to sites he was sure we all could do. It
is not as if there was a shortage of easy, but still very nice dive
sites out there.

The second last dive of the trip was off the coast of Peurto Rico. The
viz was awful and once we found the reef, we were unimpressed. Too
much sand and rock, not enough coral and sponge. It just seem worth
staying down, so we surfaced after an 8 minute dive. This was also my
first ever tropical dive where I didn't see a fish.

The Final Words

Liveaboard diving is fun. Even though not everything in this report is
positive, it was a fun trip.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
chilly - 14 Jan 2004 05:03 GMT
(snip good report)

Thanks Dan.  By the way, please explain something to me . . . most everyone
is always complaining about ending up on cattle boats on day trips.  You
guys appeared to have paid for a liveaboard experience that was worse than
most cattle boat day trips. Perhaps I am perceiving your trip report
differently than intended?

> The Final Words
>
> Liveaboard diving is fun. Even though not everything in this report is
> positive, it was a fun trip.

:^P

How was the weather?
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 14 Jan 2004 22:45 GMT
"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:
:How was the weather?

fantastic.  sunny, a few clouds, and usually breezy.  nary a raindrop
all week.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
chilly - 15 Jan 2004 05:47 GMT
> "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
> :How was the weather?
>
> fantastic.  sunny, a few clouds, and usually breezy.  nary a raindrop
> all week.

Hmm, then how come the trip wasn't all that it could be?
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 14 Jan 2004 22:50 GMT
"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:
:Thanks Dan.  By the way, please explain something to me . . . most everyone
:is always complaining about ending up on cattle boats on day trips.  You
:guys appeared to have paid for a liveaboard experience that was worse than
:most cattle boat day trips. Perhaps I am perceiving your trip report
:differently than intended?

The only crowded part of the boat was the dive deck, and only if
everyone was down there at once.  That never happened.  On the normal
dives, we went down in dribs and drabs.  On the 3 live dives and 1
drift dive (out of 21 dives that I made), we were in two groups and I
was able to find space.  On the drift dive, I was the first one ready
and went and sat on the stairs to give the slowpokes more space.

For the three live dives, even though it was more or less simultaneous
entry, once we were in the water, we were on our own.  Even on the
guided drift dive, our group of about a dozen divers were spread out
quite nicely.

What's a cattle boat?

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Bryan Heit - 15 Jan 2004 02:22 GMT
><snip>
>What's a cattle boat?
>  

A boat full of cows.  I was stuck on one once, full of massively
overweight bovines with sagging teats (men & women both).  They're not
very good divers either :-D

Bryan
Brian Nadwidny - 15 Jan 2004 07:20 GMT
> ><snip>
> >What's a cattle boat?
> >
> A boat full of cows.  I was stuck on one once, full of massively
> overweight bovines with sagging teats (men & women both).  They're not
> very good divers either :-D

Oh man, I know what you're saying. I just wished you hadn't said it, so
I didn't have to picture it in my mind :-)

Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
www.mossmanscubaventures.com
chilly - 15 Jan 2004 05:50 GMT
> "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
>
> What's a cattle boat?

Lots of people around rec.scuba(locations) are often saying that they don't
want to end up on a 'cattle boat'.  Near as I've been able to tell, they
seem to be talking about anything over a six pack.

Sure I like diving with six or less myself (preferrably less), however, I've
often been on boats that hold 10-12 divers.  Others have been referring to
them as cattle boats.  Well, hardly.

I've been on boats in SE Asia that hold 40 or so divers.  Now *that's* a
cattle boat, AFAIC.
H. Huntzinger - 17 Jan 2004 13:46 GMT
> Lots of people around rec.scuba(locations) are often saying that they don't
> want to end up on a 'cattle boat'.  Near as I've been able to tell, they
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> often been on boats that hold 10-12 divers.  Others have been referring to
> them as cattle boats.  Well, hardly.

I think there's two general criteria for picking up the name.

The first is if the boat is crowded.  Well, this is not as much how many
people are on board as much as it is people+boat size...a 15 footer with
6 people onboard is going to be packed no matter what you claim.  

The second is if there's enough of a crowd onboard such that you end up
having to wait awhile in line to get off the boat.  Note that 12 can get
off as quickly as 6 if there's 2 lines instead of 1.

A third one that I personally consider that I don't generally hear too
much about is the boat that's good for both of the above, but dump so
many divers at a dive site such that the *water* becomes proverbially
crowded.  Some of the larger and popular Newton diveboats have this
problem:  plenty of room for ~40 divers, quick water entry, etc, but
there's always someone nearby, ready to ruin your WA Photo op.

> I've been on boats in SE Asia that hold 40 or so divers.  Now *that's* a
> cattle boat, AFAIC.

Years ago, I can remember seeing the snorkel concession boat head out of
Pennekamp NP in the FL Keys, with its USCG maximum allowed load onboard:  
99 snorklers.  Gad Zooks.

-hh
Michael Wolf - 19 Jan 2004 09:56 GMT
>>Lots of people around rec.scuba(locations) are often saying that they don't
>>want to end up on a 'cattle boat'.  Near as I've been able to tell, they
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> -hh

The Quicksilver boats in Cairns carry about 400 people. They go to some
kind of artifical island, where you can send an agreable day sitting on
eachother's lap in the water...

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rnf2 - 19 Jan 2004 11:06 GMT
> The Quicksilver boats in Cairns carry about 400 people. They go to some
> kind of artifical island, where you can send an agreable day sitting on
> eachother's lap in the water...
>
> --
> Michael Wolf

Now if a bunch of nude divers were to go on that, I might hire a camera and
go along too...

rhys
Lee Bell - 19 Jan 2004 12:19 GMT
>> I think there's two general criteria for picking up the name.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> up having to wait awhile in line to get off the boat.  Note that 12
>> can get off as quickly as 6 if there's 2 lines instead of 1.

Personally, I'm more likely to label something a cattle boat based on how
the divers are treated and treat each other.  If the crew and other
passengers are friendly, considerate and attentive, it's probably not a
cattle boat.  While crowding often results from a lack of consideration for
the customers, I've been on crowded boats that I would not call cattle
boats.

Lee
H. Huntzinger - 19 Jan 2004 14:01 GMT
> >> I think there's two general criteria for picking up the name.
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> the customers, I've been on crowded boats that I would not call cattle
> boats.

Good point.  A good crew can and does go a long ways to alleviate any
diver grief about not being off the boat within the first 120 seconds
upon arrival at the dive site.

-hh
froggy - 20 Jan 2004 10:25 GMT
> > Lots of people around rec.scuba(locations) are often saying that they don't
> > want to end up on a 'cattle boat'.  Near as I've been able to tell, they
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I think there's two general criteria for picking up the name.

And there is also the case where all fellow passengers sh.t on the
floor, wear horns, and you came onboard only because the crew forced
you to, using electric prods.

But that normally only happens if you have been very, very naughty in
your previous life.
Grumman-581 - 12 Feb 2004 03:43 GMT
> Lots of people around rec.scuba(locations) are often saying that they don't
> want to end up on a 'cattle boat'.  Near as I've been able to tell, they
> seem to be talking about anything over a six pack.

If I can't get to the dive site on my own (my boat, swimming, or whatever)
and there is no other choice than a cattle boat, I'll take it... Hey, the
other choice is just not diving and even a cattle boat is better than not
diving...
Joe English - 14 Jan 2004 23:02 GMT
> (snip good report)
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> How was the weather?

Chilly

I have done the Nekton in Belize, while the actual dive deck is quite
small everyone has an assigned place where you keep your gear.  Not
everyone gets in the water at the same time.  Because the dive deck is
open for entry for about 90 minutes you gear up and get in the water at
your leisure.  The only rule we had is to be back on the boat by a
certain time.  Dive profiles were never checked - heads counts/gear
checks were done before the boat left the dive site.

If on the Nekton the fumes from the diesel engines are on the starboard
side - so are the freshwater showers.  Not a good idea to pick a place
close to your dive partner since you both will be gearing up at the same
time.

Dan, is this true on your trip also?
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 14 Jan 2004 23:23 GMT
Joe English <jenglish@accessusn.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:If on the Nekton the fumes from the diesel engines are on the starboard
:side - so are the freshwater showers.  Not a good idea to pick a place
:close to your dive partner since you both will be gearing up at the same
:time.
:
:Dan, is this true on your trip also?

Not really.  I didn't notice any fumes.  Showers were on the port
side, and on a different deck.

Spots were assigned.  You and your partner sat beside each other and
shared an underbench bin for fins, etc.  Nitrox divers were grouped
together to make it easier for the crew to fill their tanks.

When Patti and I geared up, or down, I would simply find a empty spot
and do it there.  Right next to the camera rinse tank was my
favourite.

One thing we all figured out quickly was to deflate BCs before
stowing.

Speaking of nitrox, they promised 29%.  I took a glance at whatever
the nitrox divers were filling out (anlalyzer logs??) and saw a lot of
32s being written down.  Pat McDuffee was diving nitrox, he can give
more info than I can.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
John Francis CID - 22 Jan 2004 14:44 GMT
> We didn't get a ride though, we got a tow. That
>was sort of an interesting experience, especially since I was holding
>a camera.

They call that trolling for sharks.

>Liveaboard diving is fun. Even though not everything in this report is
>positive, it was a fun trip.

Excellent report, Dan. Thanks.

JF CID

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